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Why You Need a Power Meter and Which Power Meters Are the Best on the Market 

Dylan Johnson
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Power meters have revolutionized training for cyclists and here's why. I also give you my recommendation as a cycling coach on which power meters to buy.
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@DylanJohnsonCycling
@DylanJohnsonCycling 3 года назад
Now is the time to start thinking about your training for 2021. Science based training plans available here: www.trainingpeaks.com/coach/dylanjohnsontraining#trainingplans
@jaredfontaine2002
@jaredfontaine2002 3 года назад
4iiii? Peter Sagan is using it lol
@gopackpdx
@gopackpdx 3 года назад
dylan, thanks for all your videos. i am loving the 6 hour training plan i bought at training peaks that you designed. keep up the good work.
@JamesHuxford
@JamesHuxford 3 года назад
Let me know when BHD has a training plan we can download
@alpinethreadworks
@alpinethreadworks 3 года назад
Dylan, Thank you for the great content. I'm going to try your training plans this year. I used Trainer Road last year and liked it except that it did not incorporate weigh training (which I do and just 'added it in'). Anyway, my question before I buy your plans are: How do I execute the cycling portion of the plan? Trainer Road of course has it's app that guides one through the workout... Thank for your time. Neil.
@walkerstalker4494
@walkerstalker4494 3 года назад
I have assioma pm pedals and Garmin Vector 3,both tested on all of my bikes and sadly for assioma accuracy with the Vector 3 are the same and Vector 3 can take more beating and it will still work, with assioma isn't good bump in to it, because after on small bump in to sidewalk they, the left pedal wasn't working and I couldn't get new under warranty. ,so the only thing assioma is better, lighter weight and price, everything else is not better in some segments is even worse . So they might be best for you or this video is sponsored so you have to say whatever they want it. Quarq pm I have on my new Sworks Tarmac sl7 P. Sagan edt.it came with 4iii,but I changed it , but I still prefer pm pedals assioma on Trek Emonda slr 9 2019 and Vector 3 pm pedals on Scott foil 10 di2 2018 with lots of upgrades and honestly I sold my Sworks Venge 2020 and keep my foil 10, btw Venge is overrated and like everything from Specialized Sworks overpriced, I'm glad that my team is sponsored by Specialized, same is with Tarmac sl7 just another overpriced bike with stupid disc breaks, I still prefer rim breaks. We Slovenians are cycling and ultra running nation, as you can see in last 3 years. POGI aka Pogačar Tadej when he train he never use power meter and cycling computer, also Rogla aka Roglič Primož, so I guess we use that because it's cool and because we will never be pro cyclists. This video honestly was just waist of time. I can see you are young, I'm over 40 and cycling is 26 years, so I understand why you youngsters need all those gadgets, most of don't know how to listen to their bodies, I learn that from ultra running. So go for a run, no power meters, no speed and cadence sensors, even GPS multi sport watch is just another piece of equipment you don't need. Ride if you are good all those tech crap is unnecessary.
@metamurph
@metamurph 3 года назад
“Don’t buy upgrades, ride up grades” - Eddy Merckx -- but be smart, use a Power Meter so you can "measure upgrades" - DJ.
@31.8mm
@31.8mm 3 года назад
*thinking to get a power meter *looking at the price *thinking to get a new bike instead
@HopyHop1
@HopyHop1 2 месяца назад
He didn't mention the cheaper option of crank arm power meters.
@31.8mm
@31.8mm 2 месяца назад
@@HopyHop1 why r u dragging me to my 3years old comment
@HopyHop1
@HopyHop1 2 месяца назад
@@31.8mm Crank arm power meters are even cheaper now than they were 3 years ago. I've heard that Stages has stopped production, but 4iiii also makes crank arm power meters. Sorry if I bothered you with info that's useless to you.
@31.8mm
@31.8mm 2 месяца назад
@@HopyHop1 haha okay okay, well thanks for the info, maybe someday when i go back cycling again I'll look into it
@Ih8GoogleandApple
@Ih8GoogleandApple 3 года назад
Everyone needs a power meter to know how inferior they really are compared to Filipo Ganna!
@guzz95
@guzz95 3 года назад
Since getting a power meter, it has absolutely made me a better climber. I can keep my power on check, make sure I don’t end up in a ditch with cramps!!! LOL
@wigancyclist8913
@wigancyclist8913 3 года назад
sounds like your new power meter is inhibiting your performance. Beast mode rules LOL
@StephenAndrichuk
@StephenAndrichuk 3 года назад
Who are the 5 best coaches of all time? Think about it. Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, and Dylan, because he spits hot fire.
@facediaper09
@facediaper09 3 года назад
If he recommended my company's products on his videos I'd make sure there'd be a huge box of free shit getting Fed Ex'd to his door!!!
@bewimotos
@bewimotos 3 года назад
chapelle skit?
@Mbtharp1
@Mbtharp1 3 года назад
Underrated comment. Deserves to be pinned
@jacklauren9359
@jacklauren9359 3 года назад
The scientific coach is too young to get this joke 😂😂😂
@thecyclingfactor8055
@thecyclingfactor8055 3 года назад
Idk man BHD is for sure up there
@sw6493
@sw6493 3 года назад
Love my Faveros. Good price and accurate.
@mib7483
@mib7483 3 года назад
I have been using my Faveros for a year now without any problems. They are awesome.
@cshigley
@cshigley 3 года назад
Same here- I’ve been using them all this year and they are invaluable, especially when hitting long climbs. I’m terrible at estimating how much power I’m putting out, and now there is no guesswork- stay just below redline and keep cranking!
@davidkaplan5517
@davidkaplan5517 3 года назад
I like them too but I think they read higher than my wahoo kickr
@waynesmith4589
@waynesmith4589 3 года назад
I've been using Favero Assioma for a year , very reliable and thankfully idiot proof , very easy to switch from one bike to the next just remember to clean and grease every time , if you're taking longer than 2 minutes to change the pedals over you're doing something badly wrong !! another great video Dylan .
@dpstrial
@dpstrial 3 года назад
The Assiomas are great pedals, better than PowerTap and Garmin.
@waynesmith4589
@waynesmith4589 3 года назад
@@dpstrial I agree
@joomzb
@joomzb 3 года назад
I ran Assioma Duos for a couple of years. Great, reliable units. Until I rode gravel, and the master pedal failed (probably due to a crack and water ingress). I'd definitely get them for road use again, but probably not for gravel. Can still use the slave pedal in FulGaz as the app has a setting to double power. Kind of annoying you can't configure the slave pedal as a Uno
@simsimmer250
@simsimmer250 3 года назад
@@joomzb hi, my left pedal failed too. How does the slave work in FulGaz? I’ll have a look at that setting, does it need to be in Bluetooth? Cheers
@arrowflicker
@arrowflicker 3 года назад
I love the Assioma pedal! Problem was they only lasted 1 month past warranty. Left one went first and the right went when I put the new left on. It’s almost like they were meant to go as soon as warranty ran out! They are the best pedal power meter though. They are not bulky and are centered just like regular pedals unlike Garmin and power tap.
@waisinglee1509
@waisinglee1509 3 года назад
I LOVE that pro tip at 1:07!
@GiorgioCoppolaCycling
@GiorgioCoppolaCycling 3 года назад
Literally can’t live without a power meter for training... Got one on all my bikes 😝 Love the Quarq easy to set up and use 👌
@pistax0
@pistax0 3 года назад
Hey Dylan, you mentioned about different sustained powers at different time durations (aka power curve). Maybe a video idea would be to explain how to train targeting different zones over the power curve. Thanks and stay safe!
@njm3211
@njm3211 3 года назад
I've been quite pleased with my Stages crank based meters. Quite sufficient for my modest needs. They have led to a significant improvement to my power output over the last couple of years and serve as the ultimate reality check on one's capabilities.
@RichardMigneron
@RichardMigneron 3 года назад
Got a Giant Power Pro with my Giant as an add-on when I bought the bike, very reliable. It's based on the Pioneer Power Meter.
@apm9507
@apm9507 3 года назад
Cycling commuter here. My metrics are 😃 per mile, and did I get there on time. With COVID 19, I am not as sure about the second bit but I am working on it.
@murf03
@murf03 Год назад
Dylan, Awesome video as always. Would you say there is a change in your assessment of the power meters you analyzed 2 years ago vs what is available today? Would you make the same recommendations?
@y.r.191
@y.r.191 3 года назад
Recently started following your channel and watching your videos; i seldomly comment on videos but: Gotta admit that your work is great - you put time and energy into research and actually compare factors that matter unlike many other tuber's that just open boxes and compare Aero Wheels... Keep up the good work, big thumbs up! Y.R.
@canningsimon
@canningsimon 3 года назад
Very interesting presentation of the possible metrics of effort. They all have strengths and weaknesses. RPE for example has to be learnt, and requires a level of intuition that is developed over time. It is completely free of course, can be used in any sport, and is entirely based on the individual. The same goes for NR although one does need a hr monitor; the wrist based ones are wildly inaccurate, and an individual needs to have (a coach) or the ability to read their own data and establish their own zones. One also has to consider what training protocols they are going to follow. Power meters are, from a personal perspective as good as the others however they have the same parameters as the others. If you are fatigued for example, and try riding to your power zone, you could well be overdoing it. With so many metrics, it is easy to get caught up in tech and lose sight of our built in "power meter".
@NCSWIC17
@NCSWIC17 6 месяцев назад
Power2max NGeco user here. I've had mine for 6 years and it's been flawless!
@pe3nut946
@pe3nut946 3 года назад
Been looking at power upgrade for a while now and the Favero pedals especially. I think watching this video has made my decision final. Great video 👍 thanks
@MrBJPitt
@MrBJPitt 3 года назад
Had stages, 4iiii and quarq. Favero Assioma Duos are by far my favourite, and I should have bought it first and saved myself so much money! I also have the spd pedal bodies, so I can swap from road to mtb shoes for cyclocross or gravel touring.
@showlowitsqueentlee2737
@showlowitsqueentlee2737 3 года назад
What was the issue w/ the 4iiii? I bought one as my first power meter, and it seems fine to me. What's so much better about the FAD?
@MrBJPitt
@MrBJPitt 3 года назад
@@showlowitsqueentlee2737 the 4iiii started going nuts, all of sudden I was doing 1300 watts and climbing whilst soft pedalling. It would read fine for a few mins, then go nuts again, reading zero watts then just start climbing rapidly up to ridiculous numbers. Fubbured But the reality is, dual power is so much better for training. My stages is still going fine, but having dual power, I can see massive issues in the stages power readings simply because of how I produce power. Sometimes I'm stronger on my left leg, sometimes not - it depends on fatigue and even power level or gradient, on or out of saddle. Far too many variables that it makes you second guess your readings from an effort. Dual power all the way.
@becausewin
@becausewin 3 года назад
wait favero does spd? Can i buy one set and a separate body and swap the pm between the bodies? or do i have to get a set of road and a set of spd power meters?
@austinbench110
@austinbench110 3 года назад
Great video! Best cycling training channel on RU-vid
@KOMHuntTV
@KOMHuntTV 3 года назад
5:55 I started a 4.2mile Hill Climb at 1400watts... It didn’t end well 😂😂
@hebrews11vs5
@hebrews11vs5 3 года назад
4.2 mile hill. Man, that's super long.
@KOMHuntTV
@KOMHuntTV 3 года назад
@@hebrews11vs5 Yeah, it's a great local Hill. Porlock Hill (2 routes. 2miles 10% and the other 4miles at 5% so at least we have options haha)
@hebrews11vs5
@hebrews11vs5 3 года назад
@@KOMHuntTV great options. I got one by me, just over 1 mile, 11% I think would be the average grade. I wouldn't be surprised if it's up to 16% in spots. Eswatini. They call it the mountain kingdom. So there is probably more but I have yet to find them. I checked out your channel. Very cool. I love a Kom hunt myself.
@KOMHuntTV
@KOMHuntTV 3 года назад
@@hebrews11vs5 Ooooof that's a nice hill! haha Thank you... I started the channel in lockdown as a bit of fun... initially just a tiktok that someone wanted me to share on RU-vid so they could see it. It's been a fun journey ever since. Only issue is once I started filming and editing it didn't leave much time to ride my bike hahaha!
@WowRixter
@WowRixter 3 года назад
I love my Assioma Duo PM. If you use a Garmin the app also shows all sorts of interesting data related to L/R balance, pedal offset , etc when riding with the Duo's
@mattias14142
@mattias14142 3 года назад
I've had my eyes on the favero assioma for a while now. Will definitely get them for next summer.
@dpstrial
@dpstrial 3 года назад
I have both the Assioma Duo and Uno, and they have been flawless. I cannot recommend them enough. I also have the PowerTap P1s, which are awful.
@cshigley
@cshigley 3 года назад
You’ll be glad you did!
@trussowner
@trussowner 3 года назад
Duo user here, I recommend them.
@fernandojimenez503
@fernandojimenez503 3 года назад
like the others, have a Duo, they are great. Just need to make sure when you plug them in to charge to plug the cable properly... last time I charged one pedal wasn't connected properly, and somehow it was flat next morning. Easily fixed, but my training session was done "blind" that day. Otherwise, perfect. If I could have only one PM, this one would be it
@silverbullitt24
@silverbullitt24 3 года назад
Have both power meters mentioned. Quarq XX1 is a workhorse on MTB. It’s the bread and butter of most of my riding but the Favero is great in a pinch
@Mmalebogo
@Mmalebogo 3 года назад
Straight to the point and I agree with the view on the two power meter brands, not only because I use both, but because they turn to make sense most of the time. I also don't struggle to connect them to my computer, no outage. The price is tricky but reasonable
@facediaper09
@facediaper09 3 года назад
I always learn something after watching my favorite RU-vid cycling professor, Mr Dylan!!! Just when I was feeling like I know everything already. Can you do another lesson on transitioning into base miles combined w/specific gym work for the winter? #LarginalGains 😂
@wkwong80
@wkwong80 3 года назад
I agree with your Duo recommendation. I’ve been using them for a couple of years now. Rock solid.
@jimmalone5851
@jimmalone5851 3 года назад
Thanks Dylan ! I'm using Training Peaks and my coach can't do anything without power numbers. I too am using Favero Assioma single sided pedals and I like them a lot. I have converted mine to mtn bike cleats through the conversion on U-tube. I switch these pedals around between 3 different bikes, so they are very handy for this reason. And they are accurate enough for me. I'm not a pro, just a 69yo senior athlete trying to beat other seniors :)
@anirudhs9200
@anirudhs9200 3 года назад
I love my Power2Max NGEco. No issues whatsoever. Until an SPD-based pedal power meter is available, that is what I will use.
@anirudhs9200
@anirudhs9200 3 года назад
@Aramintai that’s crazy expensive and I’m not spending that kind of money on pedals
@ianfurqueron5850
@ianfurqueron5850 3 года назад
@@anirudhs9200 Well... you're not just buying pedals. You're buying a power meter. That said, I agree about hanging a $1200 component down where they can get bashed on rocks.
@MrBJPitt
@MrBJPitt 3 года назад
I use my Favero Assioma with the spd pedal bodies, feels just as great as the road pedals.
@anirudhs9200
@anirudhs9200 3 года назад
@@MrBJPitt Yeah, but you void your warranty (unless you waited for warranty period to expire to replace the pedal body)
@anirudhs9200
@anirudhs9200 3 года назад
@@ianfurqueron5850 I'm waiting for some other manufacturer to come up with cheaper SPD-based power meter pedals. SRM would have earned my business if it was $999.
@poochie8208
@poochie8208 3 года назад
Great advice, after 10+ years using HRM I got a powermeter 2 years ago and saw that my interval sessions had always been front heavy with a significant drop during the second part of the interval, HR would climb as expected, but power would always drop. Now I can sustain a given effort across the entire duration of the interval. Wish I'd bought the power meter a year earlier instead of the carbon wheels. Have been using the Power2max Ngeco, spider based system in my bikes and have not had an issue yet. Really good in terms of price/quality. GPlama and DCrainmaker have great reviews on most powermeters out there. Meanwhile we can keep waiting for the IQsquare to start shipping, should be another 3 years.
@waynebell5040
@waynebell5040 3 года назад
Hi there. I’ve been using the Faverro pedals for a few months now and I think they’re great. Battery life is better than advertised (I’ve got about 60 hours on the current charge and it’s only just under 1/2 now). Easy to swap between bikes, zero issues with data dropouts, good app to manage them. All in all a great product (and they’re Italian so I think my Bianchi likes them as well 😜).
@brunospasta
@brunospasta 3 года назад
Get a stages left side only. It is cheap and it will read high and will boost your confidence :D
@petep
@petep 3 года назад
Would be interesting to see any research on how single-sided power meters might change the L/R balance if you ride to power a lot. Single-sided spindle-based power meters are generally nicer looking and have more chainring options, which is useful for gravel and do-it-all non-racing bikes, where a weakling like myself appreciates having a 32 or even smaller chainring option for steep stuff, and power meters are more for fun and making sure you don't go too hard at the start of the day if it will be a long one.
@paulantosh5501
@paulantosh5501 3 года назад
"LARGINALgains!" I'm sold.
@newbarker523
@newbarker523 3 года назад
I use Garmin Vector 3s (single sided). Had them for a year and they've been good. £380 (Great British pounds). Batteries are two LR44s and seem to get through them pretty quickly. Pedals are great. Swap them between bikes quickly and easily.
@richhold7775
@richhold7775 3 года назад
One of the benefits of HR training and Power + HR training but is missing in power based training is the impact environment has. On a cold day I can do 270 watts for an hour. On a hot humid day it's only 250 watts. Regardless my HR limit is 150 bpm. Same goes for elevation. The power I can sustain depends on the elevation but my HR limit is the same.
@iiii2903
@iiii2903 3 месяца назад
A PM (coupled with a HRM) will be useful if you want to compare/analyze the load of different training sessions while training in very different environments in a short period of time (hometrainer, higher altitude, different bikes, different tires, different temperature). If you train for days, like most of us, on the same routes, same weather, with the same type of training sessions, comparing the average speeds will be largely enough to assess the quality of your training. As such, a PM is above all a useful tool for....your online coach as the online coach doesn't know your circuits and usual training environment. If you're your own coach, you can make do without. So Dylan is an online coach, so of course, for him it's better to follow your training if you get a PM....
@suisinghoraceho2403
@suisinghoraceho2403 3 года назад
Problem with Assioma is that they use proprietary cleats. Replacements can be tricky sometimes. Though these are less a problem than you would think it is. There are also rumours that a worn pair of Look Cleats clips well with them. Still...
@robertandyjustus
@robertandyjustus 3 года назад
Thanks D-man. Very good vid. I'm on the hunt for a PM now...
@joelblatt2787
@joelblatt2787 3 года назад
Quarq power meter user as of 15 months ago; works extremely well. As mentioned, power numbers will vary based upon weight. Therefore, I've decided as of this video to lock in my weight at 145, which is was setting for majority of summer (Strava) segments. My objective is year over year personal comparisons, since I'm just slightly well-adjusted enough to not compete with power numbers of professional cyclists. As always, good video.
@jamesp.1784
@jamesp.1784 3 года назад
I have a Canyon Ultimate that came fitted with a a Quark power meter and i have a Cervelo R5 fitted with a Rotor 2in power meter. The Rotor is "true" dual sided, where I get pedalling metrics such as left/right balance pedalling efficiency torque efficiency and pedalling smoothness.. these are not available on the Quark. The Rotor also has an internal rechargeable battery so no changing batteries. The Rotor is more expensive but if I could swap the Quark for another Rotor I would in a heartbeat. I sound like a Rotor employee but if I were I would say to them "make a set of rings that is interchangeable with the SRAM 12 speed AXIS system".. as I want to swap out my Quark for a Rotor power meter.. For me Quark is ok it's good but Rotor is perfect.
@9psi
@9psi 3 года назад
If my memory serves me correctly.... Raoul Luescher talks about where the SRM gold standard myth comes from. It was a special unit made for national track teams that had 10 or 20 strain gauges in it. Not the standard consumer version with 4.
@sallom432
@sallom432 3 года назад
damn that if true🤯
@joebob1994
@joebob1994 3 года назад
Favero assioma are my choice. I haven't had an issues and been using for two years. I have a giant crank based power meter that came on another ride and it has been nothing but a pain in the ass for the past 6 months, really made me appreciate the no fuss fit and forget Favero's. Plus you can buy all the parts separately so longevity maintenance should be an issue. `
@ksduathlete
@ksduathlete Год назад
I just bought a quarq for my lauf gravel. I’m excited to use power for training and especially for pacing myself in gravel races. I’m guilty of going out way too hard. In a race should I shoot for IF of 71? 60-70% of ftp? There’s probably another video telling me this answer . You’re videos rock man! Thank you
@RossHamilton
@RossHamilton 3 года назад
Faveros are definitely what I choose.
@RGCastro7
@RGCastro7 3 года назад
Top quality content, as usual. Thank you for sharing these insights, Dylan.
@leebackus9875
@leebackus9875 2 года назад
As always thanks for great information. I find your site to be highly valuable. Merry Christmas.
@mathewrose2951
@mathewrose2951 3 года назад
+1 vote for the Favero Duo system because it can be transferred easily. We split the year between two separate continents and I run Campy Record in the US compared to Dura-Ace where we live in the Middle East for most of the year. Given the hassle of traveling internationally with a bike, I prefer to put my Assiomas in a pair of socks in my Sidi shoes and toss them in my laptop bag. Problem solved.
@akatgif
@akatgif 3 года назад
Well done mate. Thank you for a simple and easy to understand presentation. Not sounding like a pretentious cycling trainer using unnecessary jargon
@GMacYo
@GMacYo 3 года назад
Great research as always, and a timely subject. Now to find a training plan. Thank you Dylan.
@2000FocusZX3
@2000FocusZX3 3 года назад
A lot of us on this channel are gravel racers. Having made this mistake myself, I strongly discourage pedal-based power for gravel racing because the most common options (Assiomas and Garmin Vectors) require a road-based cleat. They work well - until you have to dismount. The slightest amount of debris will prevent the cleats from activating leaving you frustrated and unable to put the power down - the extra money for crank-based power is worth it.
@RossTheNinja
@RossTheNinja 3 года назад
my 4iiii crank based pm has been great and excellent value if you're on a budget
@leolongo9178
@leolongo9178 3 года назад
I have Power2Max on 3 bikes. For the price, in my opinion, it’s the only power meter you should buy. Dual side power at under 1K$. AND built-in cadence. AND no magnets.
@stopspammingmesrsly
@stopspammingmesrsly 3 года назад
"if a rider attacked they would just keep the tempo and reel them in" Poor old Contador
@annukun7318
@annukun7318 3 года назад
contador paid for that cant fuk with sky train!!
@jarmelnelson
@jarmelnelson 3 года назад
all the hail the boring cycling program - "follow the computer not the pistolero"
@sepg5084
@sepg5084 3 года назад
@@jarmelnelson getting beaten by a "boring" team would have been humiliating though.
@scherzo0o
@scherzo0o 3 года назад
very informative, thanks. I didn't need persuasion for using a powermeter, what I need is a suggestion for pedal-based powermeters for MTB-type of pedal. My son is into MTB (cross country) and he's doing also cyclocross/gravel with the same type of shoes. I don't have the money to change his cranks, but a decently priced pair of MTB-pedals powermeters, that he can move from one bike to another easily... that would be a great X-max present :) Something to send data to his Garmin 530.
@maxout5858
@maxout5858 3 года назад
Interesting video just a question i use both hr and power to pace myself , im confuse when you said that if your hr is low it can be a sign that you are tired or over train i long understand that low hr mean that you are fitter
@brianessex7102
@brianessex7102 3 года назад
Love my Faveros as well. Great how much data they can give you. I'd note they also help judge conditions you may be in. Last week I felt slow, but was putting out much higher than normal power. Didn't realize until I stopped how severe the headwinds were. My only complaint about the Faveros is that they're a little narrow and can be a little harder to clip into at times. But they're lighter than Garmin, zero tech problems, and rechargeable = big ++ that offset IMO.
@edwardbayley3799
@edwardbayley3799 3 года назад
I always thought the depression of resting HR was an indicator that the heart and/or aerobic metabolism was becoming more efficient and therefore a desirable thing to see your HR be lower for the same amount of effort.
@dannylockett9445
@dannylockett9445 3 года назад
was scratching my head there too, i would think relatively elevated RHR would be the signal of stress... might need to watch this again, maybe i misunderstood
@heksogen4788
@heksogen4788 Месяц назад
@@dannylockett9445 Yes the guy doesn't understand the cardiac drift. The more exhausted/fatigued you are, the higher your bpm for the same power output. Blind leading the blind...
@secretagent86
@secretagent86 3 года назад
you really have an excellent style and scientific knowledge which is valuable! please keep it up (yes i subscribed)
@Princecaspin
@Princecaspin 3 года назад
Love your videos! You should make one about the main types of workouts there are and when you should be doing them in a training cycle
@kylewernert9785
@kylewernert9785 3 года назад
A power meter was the fastest piece of equipment I have ever purchased. I was told that I was "opening Pandora's box". However, in my first year of using a power meter I was too much of a robot, I didn't act human. I made sure I hit X watts for workout 1, Y watts for workout 2, Z watts for endurance rides, etc. I didn't listen to my body and it was not healthy for my mental game. People start to become obsessive over the numbers for training, bragging, racing, etc. Moreover, most people that have power meters don't know how to properly use it.
@MichaelHarrison-bj3et
@MichaelHarrison-bj3et 3 года назад
Your recommendations are spot on Dylan!
@tomalbert3299
@tomalbert3299 3 года назад
Thanks Dylan for another so true topic! I use two Stages v3 left side crank arms and I am quite content. I also use dual sided Assiomas for a short period now. Fortunately no significant differences between one sided Stages and dual Assiomas. Actually I converted the Assiomas to SPD MTB pedals. How? Xpedo m-force pedal bodies are compatible with the Assioma spindles. GPlama proved that the conversion works flawlessly. @Dylan: It may be just a personal preference, but the graphs and text pieces are sometimes not directly understandable. Especially if English is not your first language. I guess it is extra work but it might be easier to understand if you have a self made chart which you describe with your own words rater than showing a copied piece of text from a scientific study. Or maybe it's just the distracting cycling videos in the background. Apart from that I'm looking forward to you next video!
@JeffRejent
@JeffRejent 3 года назад
Holding a consistent power over a hill can be a god send but not every hill is the same. By the time you figure out that you cant hold a certain power on a different hill, its too late. Trial and error is the same, power meter or not. Listen to your body, it knows.
@VegasCyclingFreak
@VegasCyclingFreak 3 года назад
As someone with a sensitive sinus node, it doesn't take minutes for my heart rate to get super ramped up, it only takes seconds. Power meter helps me more to know if I'm going too hard, to keep out of lactate threshold #2 on a 3-zone scheme. Interestingly, I've used power meter long enough now that I can fairly accurately guesstimate how much power I'm doing based on feel. On a climb anyway. It gets trickier guessing that when you add in a headwind and/or crosswind.
@blazacrew
@blazacrew 2 года назад
Answer is yes. For training and racing
@elielbalbino4679
@elielbalbino4679 3 года назад
Very well explained! But how do you make decisions on a race/ride using power data or HR for that matter? You decide with your reason. You use your judgement. That's why I believe P.E. + Power data, combined and compared are the best way to go when promoting acquisition of self knowledge to evolve. I agree with you completely. I'm just afraid that... things being put that way you did, might give people the impression that they can finally retire from this exhausting duty which is controlling intensity once they have a power meter on their bikes. It must be clear, I believe, that you and yourself alone will always be the controller of this incredibly complex instrument we call a body. And I say that very humbly (if I don't sound like that, forgive me - being a non-native user of the language may spoil communication at times. I apologize) since I'm aware that your knowledge goes a lot further than my current one. I'm a fan actually! Know thyself, use power data to promote long time knowledge of what you can do on a bike. But never retire from being the boat's captain. Cheers from Brazil!
@TheBigCheese233
@TheBigCheese233 3 года назад
Maybe I got lucky, but my 230$ aliexpress left-sided power meter with rechargeable battery works without any issues.
@TheMASDrummer
@TheMASDrummer 3 года назад
What's it called
@GoustiFruit
@GoustiFruit 3 года назад
Same for me. My XCadey gives me the same numbers as the 3-4 years old Stages I have on my other bike.
@TheBigCheese233
@TheBigCheese233 3 года назад
@@TheMASDrummer XCadey XPower-L - 232$ was the deal I got, 267$ the normal price - I can't fully recommend it, as I don't know if their customer service is any good. For me it's worth the risk at half the price of a Stages and the benefit of the rechargeable battery.
@mellowcat42
@mellowcat42 3 года назад
Agree on both counts: training and riding with power data is more productive and effective, and the Assioma pedals are reliable, accurate, and convenient, easily swapping from spin to tri/TT to road bikes.
@LarsRR
@LarsRR 3 года назад
Hello @Dylan Johnson, I am a big fan of your videos! With off-season now well underway for much of the northern hemisphere, I would love to see a video on nutrition for the off-season. With weight training being a very important factor in the off season and when looking for strength gains, I was wondering whether a kind of “winter bulk” would actually be a worthwhile consideration. I am not talking an epic bulk, where you gain dozens of pounds of low quality mass, but a controlled slight gain in weight to support strength gain and aid with recovery. In strength training something like this is very common, while I couldn’t find many cyclists doing this. Would be awesome to here your opinion on this.
@MonchiDiaz11
@MonchiDiaz11 3 месяца назад
I was genuinely convinced I'd buy one until I saw those prices
@Tethysmeer
@Tethysmeer 2 года назад
Was unsure if I want one on my gravel because it might take the fun out of it. Now I love it. I simply don't want to see average watts because then I always chase averages.
@heksogen4788
@heksogen4788 Месяц назад
Idk, my heart jumps very fast to the max heart rate when im pushing really hard. I dont need few minutes, it takes a minute at most. Heart rate is still very reliable way to tell of you are around your lactate treshold, you will also feel it. Power meter is great stuff, but it's definitely a luxury item and heart rate monitor is still needed even if you use power meter.
@michaelevans797
@michaelevans797 3 года назад
Thanks Dylan, as always very intuitive advice 👍
@jaydesimone4297
@jaydesimone4297 3 года назад
I know it's just an anecdote, but I can confirm the effect of position on HR. When I sit up on the trainer, my HR increases by 5-10 BPM and quickly drops when I put my hands back on the bars. Clearly the heart doesn't have to work as hard when the torso is not vertical.
@tbpom1003
@tbpom1003 3 года назад
Hey really well explained! keep up the good work!!
@roilev
@roilev 3 года назад
Great video, thanks! I agree with Dylan, I have 2 powermeters, one on my race MTB and another one on the direct drive trainer. And it greatly helps for training and race pacing. Though I won't be throwing out my heart rate monitor any time soon - I still consider it the most useful tool. I consider my HR as a "power reserve" - for MTB races, in the middle of the climb I may be holding the prescribed 300W. But if my HR is 165, it means I can push a bit more to the top. But if my HR is 185 (because I pushed a bit too hard in the 1st half of the climb, I climbed a steep part that I usually push, or didn't have enough time to recover from the previous climb), then I need to dial down my power a bit. Or I will go in the descend with blurry vision and bad bike control, and I will lose more time on the descend (or even crash). The only bike that I don't have a powermeter is my road bike. There I do the endurance miles outdoor, and there I can pace good enough with my HRM, I know what numbers I need to be producing, I have 'calibrated' my heart with the power meters. And I do tabatta intervals too, I just go as hard as I can for 30 seconds. The powermeter is useless there, the trainer takes half of the interval to bump up the resistance to the desired levels.
@donaldryder5534
@donaldryder5534 3 года назад
Your 3 power meters are worth more than my 2 bikes :) but good video, my first upgrade will be a power meter.
@samuraioodon
@samuraioodon 3 года назад
I'm still using powertap p1 pedals since its release ☺️
@leeseoWestport
@leeseoWestport 3 года назад
Such good points! I use to confuse thinking I was getting fitter doing an endurance (z2 in 5 zone model) since my HR was lower for given power VERSUS fatigue
@cnay2983
@cnay2983 3 года назад
I use a Verve Infocrank; Brilliant power meter bought from Ebay for about 350gbp with Rotor chainrings!
@AndrewOliverHome
@AndrewOliverHome 2 года назад
You see people on Zwift, where pretty much everyone has some sort of power indicator, going too hard and fading on the climbs and sprints. Power metrics and a clue how to use it is what you need.
@dacsailor
@dacsailor 3 года назад
Great. Now I need new wheels AND a power meter (or maybe 2 or 3)!
@aageseljegard8730
@aageseljegard8730 3 года назад
Surprising to me how videos like this almost always describe it as being a choice between heart rate and power… Surely the combination of the two is a whole lot better than the one or the other on its own. The two measures tell separate stories, and you can’t get the full picture without both.
@fernandojimenez503
@fernandojimenez503 3 года назад
Agree on the Assiomas. But I would pick Power2Max over Quarq (I have both). My Quarq DZero has a habit of getting its calibration a bit out of whack, some times mid ride. I only notice when I look at the power numbers and experience tells me its wrong... coast, calibrate, and all of a sudden it's good again. Also had the battery die once without prior warning (I now carry a spare). My 2 Power2Max spiders (original P2M and NG Eco) have been 100% flawless. They work, all the time, every time. Yes, the battery is not very common, but it lasts forever. I'll go through three CR2032 on the quarq and I'll still be on one in the P2M.
@MrPeperoni79
@MrPeperoni79 3 года назад
I made a contradictory observation on myself: low heart rate at a given power is an indicator for good perfomance (which is unlikely during overtraining).
@cfernaed
@cfernaed 3 года назад
Great video. Valuable information. Thanks
@josephdunbar2105
@josephdunbar2105 3 года назад
Damn Dylan. Was about to pull the trigger on a power2max meter and you didn’t give the nod! Please nod approval or not.
@OnyxTortoise
@OnyxTortoise 3 года назад
I want an eggbeater based power meter! That way I could share with Mtb and gravel bike.
@bennickerson5477
@bennickerson5477 3 года назад
GPLAMA has a vid on how to convert Assiomas
@wigancyclist8913
@wigancyclist8913 3 года назад
Can the term accurate be used about consumer power meters? Hopefully, off-the-shelf power meters have a degree of precision, but accuracy, I doubt it. That said, as long as your power meter provides precise, repeatable readings between sessions, what more could the retail consumer ask for? I'd also argue that a dual-sided power meter offers no real advantages over a single-sided power meter. As you alluded to, trying to correct an imbalance may inhibit performance. So long as a single-sided power meter provides precision, all a dual sided-meter will provide is a different number. What would one do with that different number versus the data from the single-sided meter? The numbers produced from either type of meter are equal in providing data for training, pacing and racing. Although the dual-sided meter will be closer in terms of actual work done by each leg. It would be interesting if anyone has done any work to determine the difference in kilojoules regarding single and dual-sided for different distance events and if the outcomes are significant in terms of increasing or decreasing performance. Or are dual-sided power meters purely a marketing gimmick to release the buying public from some of their hard-earned cash?
@future62
@future62 3 года назад
I am 100% on board the PM train and have a Quarq Dub spindle meter.... but I think accuracy is less important than consistency, and L/R imbalance is so hard to tackle it's not worth it IMO. A good old single side meter that you calibrate before every ride will get you 99% of the data you need to get faster.
@yahtzeefrogger
@yahtzeefrogger 3 года назад
Dylan, I really appreciate your pragmatic and science based approach to the most popular questions cyclists like me have- Thank you! I have ridden a Stages single-sided crank PM for years on my road bike. What is your perspective on that compared to pedals? Second question - what is your perspective of best “type” of power meter for mountain bikes (efficacy) and should I expect similar FTP between on and off road given surface variability w/Mtn? Again, thank you!
@jamesturner9858
@jamesturner9858 3 года назад
Are there any benefits using a power meter on a mountain bike. No one ever really discusses training with a power meter on a mountain bike. How would you do intervals if the terrain always changing . How would you put together a training plan for a mountain biker
@kevinbuja4373
@kevinbuja4373 3 года назад
2004 I installed Polar’s Powermeter. In 2009 I got a new bike put an SRM. Night and day difference.
@Mclovinthedank
@Mclovinthedank 3 года назад
I have been training using a HR, and it sucks. Power meters and smart trainers cost as much as my bike. And I don't have a bike computer...
@hebrews11vs5
@hebrews11vs5 3 года назад
Also, it's hard to gauge this if you are new, but if you think you are inclined to want to go fast as you progress, get the crank based instead of pedal based so you can use aero zero type pedals by speed play. Save some watts at the feet and reduce your saddle height a hair (frontal area reduced) because of the reduced stack height at the pedal.
@hebrews11vs5
@hebrews11vs5 3 года назад
And yes, quarq is the crank based one I use. Crank based does not know if you are getting the power by pulling or pushing, like favero pedals. So you think you are getting L/r split but you sort of aren't. If you are not obsessed with eeking out power from the 'up' phase, then you can just ignore this comment. I have done inverted squats just to train the 'up' phase, when I was more serious.
@thomasmorley4966
@thomasmorley4966 3 года назад
As somebody who does 90% of my training on Zwift (non stop power analysis), I have stayed away from investing in a power meter for the bike when cycling outdoors because its nice to ride now and again without having constant numbers to distract me, and ride simply on feel and enjoy the ride. I agree with everything you said about heart rate being an unreliable source for basing exertion. When competing in races (triathlon), just my adrenaline raises my heart rate by 10 - 20 bpm, for the same effort compared to a Sunday ride for example. I am on the fence, as I know it would be beneficial, especially in triathlon when you have to run off the bike, and have to save some legs for the run.
@silverbullitt24
@silverbullitt24 3 года назад
Food for thought. Much benefit of power data lies in post ride analysis and over accumulative analysis. Therefore, I’d warmly recommend using power on rides, ignoring it for a percentage of your rides (to satisfy your love of cycling), then be able to CHOOSE whether you analyze post ride or not.
@kakarot2430
@kakarot2430 3 года назад
If i trained 4 hrs in zone 2. By the last hours my HR would jump into z3 at the same watts. So what should I follow power or hr?...
@silverbullitt24
@silverbullitt24 3 года назад
@@kakarot2430 you are likely experiencing cardiac drift. This is a normal physiological change with sustained efforts and is related to fatigue.
@kakarot2430
@kakarot2430 3 года назад
@@silverbullitt24 it mostly happened after 2.30 hrs of riding. So what should i do about this. Lowering the volume? And increase it a little over time. Or should just I endure it for the last 1.30 hrs?
@sumcycling8774
@sumcycling8774 3 года назад
HI Dylan. How about Infocrank? Do you know this brand? What do you think?
@georgehugh3455
@georgehugh3455 3 года назад
Assioma's upped their prices since you released this vid 9 days ago _- Dylan, you're apparently worth $2/pedal!_
@dscoduc
@dscoduc 3 года назад
Late to the party but curious if you (Dylan) ride road pedals on your gravel setup... Looking at the Assioma Power Meters they don't seem to have SPD pedals.
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