Why you're WRONG about necromancer 

My brother and I (who have about 4.5k Hunt-hours between us) often joke that Hunt is to other shooters as baseball is to other pro sports: It's "The Thinking Man's Game." Rather than in a snobby way, I simply mean that Hunt is a mechanically complex game that requires every good player (and spectator) to hold in their mind a pretty complex picture of the current state of play at any given moment. It's also why, of the roughly dozen friends we have tried to onboard into Hunt, only a minority have actually stuck with it: people with analytical/technical mentalities who like the challenge and are not easily discouraged, because every failure is a chance to learn something new (even after thousands of hours).

Never assume.

I legitimately think that Hunt is a game that you either need someone to take your hand and teach you the tips and tricks of the Hunter or you forget your ego for 10-15 hours and learn it the hard way. Hunt is a great game in many regards but its so different from other FPS games that most of the good FPS players will struggle to start with Still a good video and it highlights a lot of good points - Also count the dead, never assume, reload your guns and rise up dead men.

Well said! Many that advocate against SOLO Necromancer are people speaking with emotions rather than facts (ego hurts when losing 3v1 so they get heated about it) Meanwhile the avg. "team" player as soon as teammate dies -> 180° towards extraction or edge of map to redskull with PK or Bounty. If i burn that body they will redskull, if i place traps... teammate will defuse/destroy them & rez (unlike solo in that scenario) Speaking about babysitting solos for a minute, while burns on teams put no pressure & traps do nothing and only way to secure kill is hide and seek across map to wipe them or wait for them to come back & revive... and they still see Solos in 1v3 with missing HP as the issue?😬

I completely agree with you! When I started playing Hunt, I opposed burning other players and felt offended, when I got burned (that was even prior to necromancer)... it took me a while to realize, that burning/conc'ing(?) o_O is absolutely ok and really just a part of the game mechanics. Your video explains the correlations very well!

I had no problem with Necro until this happened to me just today I managed to convince my two friends to give the game a try, we entered into a super intense game because the three teams that were there played quite defensively. When there were barely 10 minutes left in the game we managed to kill practically everything but we ran out of bombs and Molotov cocktails. As we saw that the exit was close and there was not much time left we decided to extract and while waiting for the extraction one of my friends received a bull to the head, then my other friend who was also just learning to play died, and I managed to kill him but He was far away inside a house, I obviously knew that he was a player with necro but I had no resources to burn him because we had spent all of them in the fight with 3 teams from before, so my options were to wait for him or go revive my friends. The game had about 7 minutes left and the necro player didn't get up, but I knew he would get up again so I waited and when there were 5 minutes left he revived again and I killed him, then when there were 3 minutes left he revived again and there I no longer had options, I had to go revive my friends or time was running out and we all lost, so I ran to revive one of my friends and at that moment the player revived again and I killed him as soon as he got up from there. He stayed hidden and the game ran out of time and we all lost. My friends didn't want to play anymore and they told me: What is that shit? I explained to them and they told me that they would only come back to play when they fix that. So I'll have to keep playing with randoms. Any player who wants to get into the game and has an experience like this knows that it is poorly designed and probably will not want to play again. Tell me what tactic it is to make another player wait until the game is over, or what mentality problem I have if the only two options I have is to wait for him to revive knowing that time is going to run out and we all lose or try to revive my team knowing that he is going to get up.

I love Hunt and I come from twitchy fast-paced competitive shooters. What I love about Hunt is that almost everything is stacked against you. But there is an avenue for success if you are able to adapt, and victory is that much sweeter when you do.

If you know what to look for it can be easy to pick out solo players, especially in duos/solo queue

Hunt is a game where the grown paranoia you obtain with time and experience actually saves you from time to time. "Quiet. Melee in front... I think?.." "Shh. Horse screaming. Or was that an idle?" "He must be from that team. I'll burn him anyway, his loadout looks like the one of a solo"

I REALLY like how you described Hunt. It rewards tactical play over technical play.

Summit quit Hunt Again? Big surprise.

That's a great explanation about how the game works, and why, at least to me it makes better than the other FPS. To be good at Hunt you don't need to be perfect at aiming, but you need to be aware of everything on the map or else you get punished. (And im just a average player that loves the game).

Great video Geef and I agree with most of the points you make but there are cases where it's almost impossible to trap/burn when you trade and both have necro it comes down to a gamble who is faster. And my second point is that there is sometimes not enough stuff to trap with because of the limit to tools and throwables and hunters that stand up while burning get extinguished when downed again so you need to use more utility on them. This is just my opion as a mediocre player with around 1k hours. All in all I love your content. Please keep up the great work and to everyone reading this I hope you have an awsome day

Thanks Carcass, totally agree! Might even argue that in a way Hunt is more fair than other skill based shooters, cause in Hunt you can always outsmart your opponent even with the shittiest loadout. You always have a chance

I really do agree that it is not getting up that is the problem with necromancer, but I also don't think a solo should be able to sit there for 10 minutes waiting for whoever is there to get bored of watching a burning body. We already have a 7 second wait to revive, I feel that it would be entirely fair to have another timer that you must revive before it expires or your hunter is lost, say 2 or 3 minutes. That would give you enough time to wait out immediate danger and impatient hunters but short enough that I don't have to burn every body I come across. I say this as someone who primarily plays solo, and some of the things I've pulled of just by waiting like five minutes to revive is downright disgusting and I feel dirty afterwards.

Your take is spot on. Honestly, I stopped playing Hunt until necromancer for solos showed up. Was away for at least a year and that brought me back. Wouldn't play otherwise. Unfortunately we already know what Crytek is going to do.

I like the idea of Necromancer. but...its just...obnoxious to deal with. with the 8second res time and us having to sit there the entire time to wait for them to burn out is just dull. At least in a teamfight I can rightfull assume "hey i killed the 2/3 people. I can loot and leave" and lets not talk about them standing up after they almost bodied your team, and killing you before you had the chance to res your team or even heal yourself. (and depending at the range they have an advantage on you if they res at full HP...) also,you mentioned hte off center crosshair...but am I the only one who prefers that? slight biast from my Halo 2 days but...its sometimes hard to play center crosshair shooters unless its a TPS.

never had an issue with necro before and after the solo revive buff I just always assume someone is solo until i can confirm that they're part of a team and even then i just burn or concertina bomb them and try to prevent revives whenever possible

it's nice that u have been shown up in my recommendation after I saw Spud Hunter's video 😃

You are 100% correct. It's a completely different play style. Takes time to learn. You have to think of EVERYTHING. It's all part of what makes Hunt so good. You have to prepare for the unknown.

I have two issues with solo necromancer but I don't want it entirely removed, just changed. I have no idea who this streamer is and I do not care though, tbh my opinions are my own and based solely from my thousands of hours in the game.

The solution to necromancer as a whole is to emmit a sound around the player being revived or let red swirlies rise from the ground around the downed player to indicate necro is being used. so you can punish it consistently. People standing up right behind you in the middle of a fight is very frustrating, unfun and has no counterplay.

Good stuff, tribalism aside, I agree with everything you said. For me its basically Zombieland style double tap everyone

my problem with necromancer isnt the fact i have to baby them read them a bed time story and give them tuckies. its the problem of mid fight chaos when I do not have the luxury of baby sitting the body and being attacked or pushed by other players.

Never assume, always burn 🔥 The beauty of hunt is its complexity. The problem is that it doesn't translate well for other shooters. The version of me at 10 hours vs 100 hours is massive. The gap between 100 and 1000 is monumental. I doubt he'll stick with it but it would be cool if he revists the game and does a different take with more time under his belt.

This may have been the longest and most passive aggressive way to say "skill issue" ive ever seen... and i loved it

My only problem with necromancer isn't solo necromancer but people with necro-brain (bear with me for a second). Necromancer is just unhealthy for trios because it promotes reviving non stop instead of fighting. After all, why would you risk a 1v1 when you can try to get a 3v1? Some players just will NOT fight if they don't have number advantage on you, they will run, hide and avoid pvp at all cost until they get the revives. They will necro, you down the player again, they will wait until you open a door or anything and they will necro again, and again and again without even trying once to fight. I call it necro-brain and I feel it infected too many players. And even tho it's not op, it's just frustrating to play against, you cannot rotate anywhere or look away for a second because they will revive and you will lose your "progress".

i just want people to get back up and stay ingame fighting, so there is more action :)

Throwback to when summit1g quit the game during Light the Shadow because running headfirst at people who are holding a corner with a bow or shotgun with slugs wasn’t a good idea. I despise the way necro solo players slow down the game but it’s never felt super unfair to me, just a bit unfun

the only notifiction you can get that someone is using necromancer is audio, listening for said player to go into dark sight!

I'm still a new player, came from playing apex, overwatch, r6, destiny 2 lot's of much faster shooters (aside maybe r6) and i absolutely love how game knowlege, mind games and predictions do more for you than pure aiming skills in the other games i often felt like if i won a gunfight i won't be able to win the next because i just don't have enough health for it or if you can there is not enough room or tools for me to improvise new strategies here i feel like if i prepared properly, or found the tools i need on the map then i can turn a fight around even if my aim isn't the best

Although I agree with a majority here. The issue with necromancer is solo players having near infinite revives. If you don't bring actual traps and it's either raining, or you down someone in water. There's literally nothing you can do to help secure that body (Bear trap won't kill someone with resilience, or they can just get up again after it's used). You are stuck either waiting to see if it's someone bad self reviving right away, or leaving the area and praying they don't get back up and chase you to the next compound. I have no issues with necromancer itself. It just becomes not fun when you down a solo in a body of water and go, whelp, guess I should've built my entire kit around this expectation. But at the end of the day, there's never a perfect solution to everyone's problem. It's just something you have to stay mindful of. And yes, I do love the game and am currently prestige 42 and play everyday still. It's just a frustrating thing to have to play around.

Absolutely great video Geef!

On ya mate! preem video geef, the same thing i hated about hunt starting it, is what keeps me playing. it's a broad game with intricacies you can either utilize or not. you (besides dubious matchmaking) dictate how hard a match is for you; didn't bring traps? good luck defending bounty or corpses without complimentary weapons etc. I just with the bugger'd listened to his own chat, taken their advice and most importantly imo swapped to weapons more forgiving for the way he wanted to play. also he did play a buttload of tarkov, a game which is even slower paced and more scummy (extract campin' etc.)

He did get me to reinstall Hunt though... for the rest, I'm not good enough at this game to have any kind of proper opinion on the traits and gameplay. I just know it's one of the only shooter games I actually enjoyed. And I know I don't like people saying it's a shit game, cause it's really not.

I’ve bought hunt showdown few years ago Tried it once and got jumpe scared, overwhelmed by everything around me, bullied by other players So i left the game Came back a year ago and I’m still playing it since then and can’t get enough It’s very very unique game But at the same time It’s not friendly to new players and i get it it’s fine we love it

I dislike necromancer. I run duo random as and got a 14 kill game. Great! But we killed 3 solos the whole game. 14 kills from 3 solos is insanely annoying. Mostly because it consists of staying in one spot and meleeing what amounts to ai for a couple mins while they either burn out or rez spam. I'd rather run to the gun shots I hear the next compound over rather than baby sit a corpse so it doesn't shoot me in the back during the next gunfight. I miss too many gunfights because I'm baby sitting a solo.

I love how these streamers who play every game like it’s CoD go around playing new games because they are bored of the old ones, but then immediately ask for and complain for changes in the new games to make them more like the old games they left. Like brother, if you wanted to play a game like the old game, GO PLAY IT! Don’t bring that garbage here. Because if I wanted to play games like your old games, rest assured I’d be playing them instead of Hunt.

Thank you so much for this Video Geef, I keep getting super concerned with Extraction shooters becoming this next new big thing, and companies try to make them with CoD-like elements, and then streamers jump into the already existing games, and not not like them cause they didn't move in the game with their MMR from some other game, Staying Huymble in the bayou is a lesson everyone learns if they wish to stick around in Hunt.

Didnt Summit play Tarkov, ARMA etc too? Even if you play smart, like tactical gameplay etc, you dont have to love Necromancer in its current state.

Thus far, apart from some of the event traits that were absolutely busted, i don't think they've added anything to the game that feels out of place or 'broken' to me atleast. You can argue that the faster shooting guns of recent patches are setting a sort of precedent for the direction of future guns, but honestly i don't feel like any of the new guns have taken over or outright made other guns not viable. And all in all, i think it is simply about getting used to Hunt, because it is so very different from anything you've played before. One of my friends we reluctantly got to play the game (By me gifting it to him :P) and it would usually end in him not being that happy about the mechanics and such (Probably doesn't help being put into much higher MMR matches playing with me) but he started playing some solo hunt after finding out there's the quickplay mode, and now after a while he actually likes the game and wants to play it.. It simply takes time to get used to an FPS where you gotta be very deliberate in everything you do

If you killed 3 people, have you killed a team or have you just got 3 downs that will all get up in a short while I love using necro with my friends, and we always get up without a problem because people dont do anything after killing us Love your view on the game 👍

if you think youve heard something or somebody approaching compounds NEVER assume it was your imagination its likely somebody was or is there waiting to get the drop on you.

Every mechanic of any game can be defended with: jUsT aDaPt yOuR PlAYsTylE

Thanks for pointing this out, Allen. I love this game soo much. Gallus Arms and Hermit stick, noice.

Necro on a solo only really works if you, the opponent: 1. Don't know how to play the game. 2. Can't reach the body. 3. It's a team fight and you can't tell the dead guy was solo. 4. They trade with you. 5. Don't have items to deal with him at that point in time ... and even then you can camp him while someone gets a lantern/trap, or scramble to find one if solo.

Comes into game with out research* Surprised when not playing game correctly* Gets upset at the game instead of getting better and learning it* Yeah sounds like a Tarkov player…

I hate self-revive because in many situations it gives one player 3 chances and the other one just 1. Even if they both have it.

I cant convice a Friend of mine that solo necro is still at a huge disavantage Vs a trio , he beleives they don't deserve to have a second chance if they chose to play solo. He also thinks that the game calculated duel weld with a chance to hit. Id really like to explain to him how it really is but he gets uncharacteristicly emotional about the topics .

Necromancer is just one of the hurdles of the game that a new player has to go over, there's many to come after that...

Geef my friend, your Timmy 2 star example is weird: if ambushing people is what "smarter player" will do, does that mean that, as people get better at the game they will lean more into trying to ambush someone? Yes you can check an ambush spot but there are another 50 ambush spots around and you need to spend some time moving around and making noise to actually do any checking Suppose there's a full lobby of very smart players. Who's getting ambushed if everyone is waiting to ambush someone?

Never ASSume.

I hated that necro can be used to self revive as a solo, this video changed my mind Carcass Gunrunner throwing axes in slow motion is a great watch too! 😄

100 % legit argument

Hunt is the only option. The only fps that requires (keyword) skill, instincts, intellect & grit w/ "realistic" health. COD, Apex, CS, etc. are forgiving, easy, goody goody Snow White vanilla bean mitten water.

Great video, I can only see 1 issue, as a Summit1G viewer, I know he's not big on Apex or cod, I mean i'm sure he's played them, but I wouldn't say that at least during my multiple years of viewing him that I can remember him playing them for any large amount of time. I know he goes through phases, and I just worry that any avid Summit viewer you are trying to convince will see that information and be like "this guy knows nothing about Summit" and turn it off. I understand that you are just using these games as examples, but if you are attempting to convince avid Summit viewers, it's just if the video is directed towards educating these specific viewers, it may not work because of it.

yes instead of summit complaining about it, he should change his mentally about it. He is the problem cause he forgot or has not thought about it and did not calculate it into his plays. Absolute true what you said in this video.

if i down a good player better belive im making sure he is not getting up, solo or with a team.

I burn people in teams, not as a safety measure, or a just in case... It is to force the team mate to do something, hoping to kill that team mate, thus eliminating the team. I would be okay with this for solos and self-revive, but once is enough. Having to burn and kill someone 4 times is tedious as hell. It is not fun. Why did they get rid of the noise when people left the match? That was useful. No watching a body burn while the game continues without you. Also, in OCE I often see multiple solos playing together without using in-game chat, meaning they are a pre-formed group of solos. This means they get easier matches, higher rewards, can all revive instantly without their team mate being vulnerable, and just ruin the game for everyone else. Necromancer still could use tweaking by Crytek IMO.

So are we forgetting about someone with resilience and bloodless combined with necro camping in the water is logistically unkillable? And I’d prefer to not have to sit and watch someone’s body for 5 minutes. As opposed to them getting up and sitting with a silenced rifle poking at range whilst being unburnable and being capable of getting up inside of razor wire

Hunt also rewards the patient player.

Love de vid bro, and i agree with many things, after like 3 years playing hunt it make me more smarter player and person, but why? Look in a competitive game you need to be better than your oponents, and hunt make you good in strategies and think and do faster to win the game.

As a solo 9 secs to click revive is way too much, and the slow motion animation getting up is really lame. Solo revive is becoming more and more useless (worse now with all the fire abilities). Even 2/3 star mmr players instantly burn and camp your body.

There is an actual issue with necro and that's that solo res is quieter than normal res for some reason. That's it

I'm confused by you saying you won't know when someones necro'd because they make noise when they stand up, I've gotten multiple wall bangs off because of it.

Very well said, fully agree!

Necro is poorly balanced; there are not enough clues to indicate when someone is about to resurrect. Imagine you see five people fighting and decide to join in, killing all five. Now, you're unsure if they were a trio and a duo, two duos and a solo, or two trios with someone still alive, hiding in a bush. Of course, you cannot effectively guard five bodies, even when playing as trios; that's challenging. There might be someone hiding, waiting for you to stop to place a concertina and kill you, but most likely, there are just five dead bodies making you waste time. If there were some indication that someone just used necro, like lightning striking the dead body to resurrect him, that could solve some of the issues with necro. To say it's merely a mentality issue is a significant cop-out. Then there's the issue of range; there are spots on the map where a solo necro or a necro duo can camp, making it almost impossible to burn the bodies, giving them an unfair advantage for just four perk points. And then, the biggest elephant in the room: pace. You kill someone and need to camp the body for two minutes just to ensure he doesn't come back. Giving us a way to disable a necro, like taking his heart out or something when looting him so he cannot resurrect with necro, unless he is playing in duos/trios and someone manually wakes him up, would be helpful. The same issue occurs with the Peacekeeper event perk; it significantly slows the game. You face a trio, kill two, and the third one escapes to the edge of the map, then returns and revives his teammates. Then, they either extract or go to the center of the map to regain all health bars for their team. This introduces slow, boring segments into the game, rewarding those who are willing to waste time. Going slow is fine, and so is camping to an extent, but rewarding a situation that forces two teams into a stalemate, where the loser is the one who gets bored faster and makes a foolish move, is not great. This occurs often when there's a team with the bounty inside a compound with traps everywhere, and the other team is outside camping, with no other teams left in the server. The inside team won't go out or even peek, while the outside team blocks all exits without entering. Inside, the team has shotguns; outside, the team has long-range ammunition. With 30 minutes left in the match, either one team makes a move that benefits the other, or the outside team waits until the timer runs out, forcing the bounty team to rush towards the exit. The best strategy for the outside team wastes 25 minutes of their life; for the bounty team, it's hoping the outside team makes a mistake or just leaves. I love Hunt, but strategically, it's not great. Most of the time, wasting time is the best way to excel at the game. Just killed someone? Camp the body until it burns to ensure they're dead. Don't want to do that? The necro player just wakes up and stabs you in the back. There are many ways to solve these issues, but the first step is to admit they exist.

Best hunt Video out there yet, i totaly agree

I couldn't agree more!

Great shout

Muy bueno!

Summit sucks at Hunt showdown he plays it like its COD , i watched that clip , he has a sparks jumps out behind cover totally misses he missed allot before that as well, and then he shoots now he is far out of cover and gets absolutely wrecked, he was angry about that, not the solo rezzing, he just sucked balls, he was mad at himself, but gotta blame something right. necro is fine, rezzing is fine but the amount of times is out of control imo, should limit it to 2 times rez and 1 time max rez for a red skull and 4 times max rez for a solo an also all the BS getting your health back traits ... i like the medkit in the middle of the map supply , that should be the only way to get health back plus a banish ofcourse , anything else or more is BS to me , i know how to deal with it most of the time but i don't like these mechanics at all, they doin to much. i just would like ifthey limit it to somewhat like this then people actually have to think again before just insta rezzing unlimited times, i honestly think it's out of control to, they could put limits on them at THE LEAST. i'm a beta test player 5 k hours, probably around 5280 with test server included, i like the old day's better no bounty darksight wallhacks no infinite revives limited healing no burning body's. And no burning body's was not in on release neither Necro , not on PC anyway

Necro isn't the problem, it's a skill issue. As simple as Hunt is it's also VERY difficult to learn. To learn ALL the little quirks about the game. It takes time, dedication, understanding, and TIME. Hunt is not a game you can just jump into and expect to know it all. And complaining about one of the systems like necro only shows a lack of knowing the game.

Mainstream streamers aren’t built for this. 🤷‍♂️

Summit is still relevant?

Commenting for the algo.

Solo players try to justify their op trait challenge (i am also a solo player)

*packs riot kit away* Fine.. no rioting this time...

That's what happens when ppl are brain wash sheep. They are not leaders just followers. They need ppl to tell them what to do

Author didn’t mention anything about skill that allows you to be revived with full health, without one burnt bar. And the most horrible thing in game: solo necromancer. People can literally stand up 3 times whenever they want, until their health is burnt, which takes looooots of time. It’s just ridiculous that solo players can do that, especially having that “full health after revive” skill.

Dude do you check every Bush? Every Bush? Nobody does that and Timmy 2 Star should not be in the same lobby.

You argument for solo players being able to get back up is yet another reason self-revive should be removed from Hunt. I only play teams and the only reason I put anything on a body is to stop a solo from reviving. You know what stops a dead player from getting up in a team? Kill their teammates. Push kills, listen for necro and revives, play Hunt. You know what stops a dead solo from getting up? Baby sitting and using consumables. Many times it's more than one consumable. You know how many solos I get per match? 3-4 easy. I've seen 9, with one team of 3. Solos should queue up with solos and then they can have their self-revive and sit in games watching dead bodies. Let the teams play the team game of Hunt.

10/10

Necro is easy to counter, it's just incredibly boring. Playing solo with necro is boring as well, but you put yourself at such a disadvantage if you don't use it. It makes the game easyer as a solo than as a team, which is a pity, because the game is more fun in teams. Overall, I think the game was just better without necromancer.

people who whine about necro are people I immediately disregard the opinions of. If they want to play tarkov, they should just go play tarkov. The beauty of hunt is that unless you count 12 bodies (including your own) you can never REALLY know if you're alone.

I think you pretty much got it wrong. His complaint is that they killed him twice, burned him twice and he still got up. Its ridiculous to have to sit and babysit a dead body. Not to mention 7 second revives for solos is completely ridiculous and somewhat breaks the game. If you want to play lower mmr against teams. Then necro shouldnt be available. This is why so many games have 2 teams and a whole bunch of solo smurfs.

Necro is the crutch for those who cant walk without it. Stay bad at the game

wow with 11 mins of talking for 30 sec worth of information, please change it

bro cope harder

If I'm honest i think is a Mentality and a Game Mechanic issue, the only problem i have with solo necro is the fact that you can revive whenever you want after 10s instead of being a hold action like normal necro. This brings the only scenario where i find solo necro frustrating, you finish a fight while holding a bounty, you scan and see nothing, 2-3 seconds later you get shot almost point blank by a solo player that just necroed. I know this is an issue with the Mentality aspect of the security feeling of the bounty sight but i still think that bounty holder should have a superior hand most of the time. I would remove instant revive mechanic with a hold or have bounty holder have the orange border glow that you have while on dark sight if an enemy inside the range even out of dark sight. But that just my opinion Ggs.

Do tell 'em!