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Why You Should NOT Hunt Turkeys With 3.5" Shells! REAL DATA 

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Are 3.5" shotgun shells good or bad for turkey hunting? Many people are quick to assume that bigger ammo equates to more pellets which is better for hunting turkeys. And while it is true that you have more pellets in 3 1/2-inch shells, having more pellets in the ammo does not always equate to a better pattern. However, according to the data, there are several other factors about performance and cost that need to be considered with this hunting ammunition. Bigger shells are more expensive and have a lot more felt recoil. They may also not provide and improved pattern density over a 3" shell. In this review, I look at the data for several popular loads including Winchester Longbeard XR, Remington Premier Magnum Turkey, and Federal Premium TSS Turkey.
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In the past few years, the 3.5-inch magnum craze has swept the turkey hunting industry. People just believe that bigger is better but there is a downside, several down sides. And with modern turkey ammo, there is no need at all for bigger shells. Between the lead Winchester Long Beard XR and the Tungsten TSS shells such as Federal, BOSS Tom, Apex, HEVI and other, there is no reason to shoot 3.5" shells. It is overkill and, in some situations, can hinder your ability to take turkeys.
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@Windwalker_Outdoors
@Windwalker_Outdoors Год назад
I guess I look at it this way.....if there was a nice gobbler standing by your decoy, would any hunter really care if that one shell cost an extra dollar and change or if that shell kicked a bit harder? Is anyone going to really feel a recoil difference when that gobbler has been gobbling the last 25 minutes and working its way into your decoy. Your heart is racing, adrenaline is pumping through your veins and you've been waiting for this moment since January. When that shot goes off and your running to step on the head of that flopping gobbler, you're not going to care.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
No, none of it matters if it helps you take that bird. That's why TSS is popular. But the cost and recoil are only worth it if it helps you. If the pattern is no better or you miss the bird because you've developed a flinch reflex then you would have been better off with target loads. And most of the people using these heavy loads never test them and are not experienced shooters. For them, the cons are large.
@bretthammons901
@bretthammons901 Год назад
I'm shooting 3 1/2" tss this year because I don't give a crap. I want that dude down! My first Tom was with a 20 gauge 3" Remington Nitro Turkey at 20 yards, so really I just like carnage and pain on both ends! Shoot what gives you confidence.
@Windwalker_Outdoors
@Windwalker_Outdoors Год назад
@@bretthammons901 for the past several seasons, I used a 20ga with TSS. About 7years ago I did use a 12ga with 3 1/2. I do a bunch of pattern testing with turkey loads and waterfowl loads on my channel as well. There is definitely some harsh recoil when shooting at paper over and over. In the turkey woods though, you just don't notice it like you do at a range. That was my point.
@noahg8627
@noahg8627 Год назад
@@TheNewHuntersGuide that's a subjective statement not using data bout heavy loads. The pattern difference isn't the big deal with TSS, it's the number of pellets, penetration, and range comparison to lead that makes it stand out. Show the difference between lead #6s, TSS #6s, & TSS #9s. I agree that 3.5s aren't for everyone, but as long as the patterns are comparable, its a superior shell in killing power and point of aim error forgiveness.
@anthonyperry9347
@anthonyperry9347 5 месяцев назад
Ive killed so many long beards with 3.5 inch #5 lbxr all they to 5 yards to 60 yards. Why change
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide 5 месяцев назад
If I were you, I probably wouldn't with that record.
@Macdaddy22713
@Macdaddy22713 Год назад
Always a great day when you post!!
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Hey, thank you so much!
@nasserkuzbari2205
@nasserkuzbari2205 Год назад
Thanks for the pieces of information. Last year I got my spring turkey with my old Winchester model 42 with 3-inch No 6 at 25 yards. I could not believe it :)
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
That's awesome! 👏 congratulations!
@johnnorman7708
@johnnorman7708 Год назад
That had to be so satisfying.
@raybobkowalski2154
@raybobkowalski2154 Год назад
Great video very informative buddy
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Thank you so much!
@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984
As always another awesome video. I absolutely love watching your UNBIASED Videos.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Thank you sir! Much appreciated!
@jeffbarris8172
@jeffbarris8172 Год назад
Happy Thursday George, god bless you and go get them in the marsh!
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Thank you so much Jeff!
@thomasburns4034
@thomasburns4034 Год назад
Good video, thank you !
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Thanks so much!
@toddbunnett640
@toddbunnett640 Год назад
I use whatever shells pattern best in my shotgun. Sometimes it’s 3 inch sometimes it’s 3.5 inch shells. One thing I will say is the vast majority of those that want to shoot #9 tss out to 75 yards like picking pellets out of their meat.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
That is definitely a fair statement. Its much hard to limit pellets to the head at extended range. And by hard, I mean impossible.
@stevencaldwell838
@stevencaldwell838 Год назад
I was amazed the first time I saw a .410 pattern with #9 tss at 40 yards!
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
It's a different world today!
@bgdesignandsolutions
@bgdesignandsolutions Год назад
At 1:40 I agree. I couple of weeks ago I was out testing loads and guns. I shot some 1-1/8oz loads just for fun and saw they patterned as good or better as my 3-1/2 inch did. Left me with the same thought, is too much lead, too much and blows the pattern?
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Sometimes the shot column is just too tall or not balanced, sometimes the rear pellets deform and blow out the pattern, sometimes the velocity is too much or there is just too many forces acting on all the shot that blows them out. Could be other things like barrel and choke fit as well. Bottom line is we can't assume anything and we must test everything to find out.
@bgdesignandsolutions
@bgdesignandsolutions Год назад
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I agree. I see wads with pellet impressions at the base and not at the top. This shows me how much inertia is driving the pellets back when fired. The result is deformation of the shot, no doubt. But in the lighter loads, I don't see this happening, and that is probably why they perform as good. Time to do a 10" circle test and compare the light with the heavy.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
@@bgdesignandsolutions thanks!
@mikeklink4626
@mikeklink4626 Год назад
I go for same payload and more velocity when bumping up to 3.5. The extra speed is more appealing to me than a couple more pellets
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
What is your ideal velocity/pellet size?
@mikeklink4626
@mikeklink4626 Год назад
​@@TheNewHuntersGuide1200 5s
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
@@mikeklink4626 Those should drop any turkey that ever lived out to 60 yards even if they leave the gun at 1000 fps.
@joshuabennett7334
@joshuabennett7334 Год назад
You are not getting more speed with a longer shell. It is more common to be the opposite. Shotgun shells only holds so much powder and more weight and the same amount of propellant means a slower shot. You can not go off the box you have to shoot them over a crono
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
@joshuabennett7334 generally I agree, but I have seen 3.5 shells that also added some velocity. I did not chrono them though. Hoping to add a chrono to my test gear this year.
@paulslund1
@paulslund1 Год назад
Are you sure about the XR velocity? My box says 1200 fps in the 3 inch #6 configuration... I didn't think that changed based on shot size.?
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
They also make a magnum loads with 1050 and more shot, supposed to pattern better. I'll be doing a test video with it this week.
@paulslund1
@paulslund1 Год назад
@@TheNewHuntersGuide Ah! I was not aware of that! I look forward to seeing that! Thanks!
@lawrencecardente533
@lawrencecardente533 Год назад
I would like to see you make a video about turkey hunting with quality 12GA. trap loads.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Any specific loads in mind?
@burkejones8277
@burkejones8277 Год назад
For my 870 Super Magnum, the LB XR 3.5 #5 magnum loads shoot extremely well, better than the 3 inch # 5’s. I know people who have the same gun that patterns better with 3 inch shells, though. But, I just set up a 20 gauge with tss for next spring.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Yup, that is exactly the point I'm trying to make. Sometimes it's better, sometimes it's not. Gotta test. Can't go wrong with a 20ga in TSS.
@wizardofahhhs759
@wizardofahhhs759 5 месяцев назад
My SuperMag patterns great with 3.5" Remington Nitro Mags and a 660 Primos Tightwad choke. It's an excellent combination for my 870.
@NorthRiverGuide
@NorthRiverGuide Год назад
I like how you laid it all out rather than the typical 3 vs 3.5 video where a small guy recommends against 3.5 because in their particular situation can not physically shoot 3.5 very well. There are some factors to consider about how well a larger payload reacts upon firing. Say you have a 1-3/4oz load of shot in a 3" and 2oz of shot in a 3.5" advertised for the same speed. The pellets in the rear of the 2oz load are having more pressure put on them causing greater deformation, which isnt beneficial for them keeping a tight pattern. Basically you can get better gains in 3.5" over 3" from shot that doesnt really have that problem like tss, or a very good buffer system like longbeard has. If like you said the shooter is built for it, and they know how to shoot it properly.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Thanks! I have a test video coming showing what happens when you add payload to the same shell, same, brand, same velocity. Its pretty interesting stuff.
@bradangeny2174
@bradangeny2174 4 месяца назад
I have seen 50 plus yard shots with 3.5 shells. That's why we shoot them?
@harrypeterson9287
@harrypeterson9287 Год назад
I've heard you get more pellets on target with bigger bores despite having an identical pellet count. For example a 1 ounce 12 gauge load will pattern better than a 1 ounce 20 gauge load. It sounds highly counterintuitive but I've heard it more than once. Any opinion or experience regarding this?
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
I don't think there is much truth to that. I've seen that and the opposite just as often. Some guns, loads, chokes, pattern better than others. I've seen 20s do way better than 12s. And the opposite. If you have 2 guns of different gauge and the same load, one will pattern better, but get a different load and the other may do better.
@johnnorman7708
@johnnorman7708 Год назад
The theory is because of the shorter shot column damages fewer pellets.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
@@johnnorman7708 I think buffer material solves that potential issue. All the high end turkey shells use something for buffering these days.
@johnnorman7708
@johnnorman7708 Год назад
@@TheNewHuntersGuide This is true. Granulated polyethylene is the usual material. Change one factor in a shotshell and massive changes can happen. Shotshell technology is so highly developed and so complex theses days, that it is easy to forget a detail even if you know it. Had a new shotgun slug detail come up a few weeks ago that still has me wondering about the engineering details. All the technology is not universally distributed across the industry. (Longbeard and Flight control wads being perfect examples.) I have had some people give me incredulous looks when I start talking about ammunition technology. It's a vast subject that has changed so much in the last 50 years that its mind boggling.
@brandonc2280
@brandonc2280 3 месяца назад
I wonder how the patterns are different between the two. 3” compared to 3 1/2”
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide 3 месяца назад
It probably differs by every gun, choke, and shot size. You'd have to test what you have to see what you can produce.
@sherlockbonez
@sherlockbonez 3 месяца назад
This will be 13 years since i turkey hunted. Still got 3 more 3.5" rem hd 6s left. Hope to adf another fan to the wall.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide 3 месяца назад
Go get em!
@RicochetJP
@RicochetJP Год назад
Interesting, but it’s all about the shot pattern. Yeah, extra recoil sucks but it should only take 1 shot and I guarantee you will not feel it unless you didn’t shoulder the gun right.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
That is part of the marketing hype that I'm trying to rattle loose. You do not necessarily get a better shot pattern with 3.5". It could indeed be worse. You have to test every shell with every gun/choke combo to see if you really are getting any benefit for the cost and recoil.
@driftlesshunter9200
@driftlesshunter9200 3 месяца назад
Sounds like someone who bought a Mossberg 940 pro turkey gun that can't shoot 3.5" loads talking to me. 😃 Having said that, a 3" load can pattern better than a 3.5" load sometimes. Most good turkey hunters pattern their shotgun & also check their gun's point of aim.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide 3 месяца назад
I could have gotten any gun that shot any shells I pleased. 3.5" shells are hype. Invented for waterfowl hunting when no one could make the new steel loads effective after the lead ban. And adopted by turkey hunting ammo brands when they saw the marketing worked.
@driftlesshunter9200
@driftlesshunter9200 3 месяца назад
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I was just yanking your chain a bit. LOL! I know the entire history of 12 gauge 3.5" loads which started with the Mossberg 835. Given today's turkey loads, there's no need for 3.5" turkey loads. Your points were well done. If I needed a new turkey gun today, I would buy the same Mossberg 940 Pro Turkey & never look back. Good luck this spring!
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide 3 месяца назад
@@driftlesshunter9200 Thanks!
@coastalcustomlure
@coastalcustomlure Год назад
This handloader chuckles in TSS. TSS had changed the game and moved the goalpost.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Totally redefined the space!
@stucclikechucc
@stucclikechucc Год назад
How do you get the recoil numbers?
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
For this video, I ran the math with payload, powder charge, velocity, wad weight, and gun weight.
@tripplebeards3427
@tripplebeards3427 Месяц назад
I wish I had a 3 1/2 half inch gun!!! It’s the only thing you can find on the shelves for ammo for the last couple years! I would assume not a lot of people have 3 1/2 inch guns even though they’ve been out for decades because that ammo sits and rots on Walmart’s shelf
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Месяц назад
Haha, the guns are actually relatively new in the grand scheme of shotgun bores. They sit on shelves for the same reason you mentioned, and because they are significantly more expensive, and provide surprising little additional value.
@tripplebeards3427
@tripplebeards3427 Месяц назад
@@TheNewHuntersGuide yep it was around 1988. If I remember right it’s been a while….lol. That’s when I went to the 10 gauge rage obsession. Got rid of all my 12s back then and went to 10 gauges. Probably you’ve had a dozen 10 gauges over the year since and still have a few. I finally caved and got a Beretta silver mallard that I traded for another 12 gauge that I won and I’ve had it since about 2000’. What’s the best and most reliable besides soft shooting 12 gauge I’ve ever owned. I’ll take it over my Benelli‘s. Also have a 1987 pintail I bought about 10 years ago. Brand new in the box for 300 bucks. It’s an HK version so it was basically the same as Benelli guts rebrand on the outside. Also, a sweet shooter, but I’ll take the silver mallard over it all day long.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Месяц назад
@@tripplebeards3427 I think the 10 gauge is a better choice than the 3.5" 12, less recoil and shorter shot column. But with modern ammo, the 3" 12 is all you need for anything. Actually, its more than you need for most things.
@Quentin217
@Quentin217 Год назад
Consider the shell that you would have used for goose hunting back in the '80's before the non-toxic shot requirement. Those honkers are armour plated and made of non-essential parts. You wanted to clobber them as hard as possiblle with the most of big pellets. My favourite was 1 7/8 of copper plated BB's out of a three-inch magnum. Why would that same load not be even more effective on a wild turkey who is a relatively soft target? I used 1 7/8 ounces of copper-clad lead BB's for three of the gobblers that I ate. I never used that loading on a shot that did not just simply kill the bird stone dead right away. There were some others that I hit after pointing centre-mass with two ounces of 4"s too. One of them had flushed at fairly close range, and I used the same swing-through technique that I would have used on a quail. Two others were running shots at absolutely maximum range. I was guess it to be well in excess of 50 yards. It works. My gun's were choked to just a normal .69-inch full.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
My state limits shot size to #4 at the largest for turkeys. I think the big idea is headshots. With BBs you have drastically fewer pellets and thus less pattern density to hit them in the head. Headshots minimize meat loss and put less pellets in your food. But hey, use whatever is legal, ethical, and fun for you.
@donmatlock6761
@donmatlock6761 Год назад
I have changed from 12 gauge 3.5 to 28 gauge 2.75. I think the 28 is going to make a lot of noise as a good turkey option for all ages.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Way to go full circle!
@harrypeterson9287
@harrypeterson9287 Год назад
Especially for youth, small framed or disabled hunters. The 28 gauge offers a decent bit of extra capability that the .410 lacks. A good combination of being light and handy while not beating you up.
@krm944
@krm944 Год назад
What ammo/payload are you using in the 28 ga? I think the 28 is a phenomenal Turkey round.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
@@krm944 I haven't used a 28ga yet, don't even own one. But I'd like to.
@donmatlock6761
@donmatlock6761 Год назад
@@krm944 viper ammunition 9.5 shot. 1.5 oz
@FirePirate099
@FirePirate099 Год назад
I don’t think cost matters as much to turkey hunters. (At least it doesn’t factor into my Turkey load purchase decision) but, the recoil definitely does! I won’t shoot anything that might make me develop a flinch
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Really 2.75" is probably the best overall option for shotability and the majority of real hunting conditions.
@FirePirate099
@FirePirate099 Год назад
@@TheNewHuntersGuide i absolutely agree!
@oneshot1984
@oneshot1984 Год назад
I have also found and confirmed with well seasoned gunsmiths and sporting clay champions that MOST shotguns point of aim is NOT the same as point of impact.....ie......where your aiming is not where the shot pattern is centered,,,,,,,,,I have a Benelli 20 ga.and the pattern is low and to the left alot at 25 yards..changing chokes did not help......for the turkey gun a reflex dot or scope fixes this problem but for moving targets, with just the vent rib and front bead, this does matter........they can and do have a way to fix it tho..... its just not pretty..........so checking your shotgun pattern is very important !! ........Good luck everybody this Turkey season !!
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
That is a future video!
@Drgunzo616
@Drgunzo616 Год назад
Low and left has a lot to do with eye dominance and trigger discipline. Took me a while to correct this issue myself.
@oneshot1984
@oneshot1984 Год назад
@@Drgunzo616 Multi shots using a shooting bench as to eliminate all variables,,,,,,its is not uncommon for POA not equal to POI.
@alienone6854
@alienone6854 Год назад
I had an 11-87 that "developed" that problem after I slipped and fell on it in the S. MO. woods, I gently put the barrel in a tree fork and leaned on it gently until point of aim was restored, took a couple gentle pressures but back to normal for another decade...
@ggordon4127
@ggordon4127 Год назад
Everyone I know tries to use same choke for 3” and 3.5” loads but this does not make any sense and may offer explanation to what is being said here.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
It could work sometimes, but you can't assume you'll get the same, let alone better results. Always test!
@johnnorman7708
@johnnorman7708 Год назад
I am really wanting to see a 12ga 2 3/4" load of 1 1/4 ounces to 1 5/8 ounces that equals enough pattern on target to 40 yards for us to stop this "punt gun" race to the absurd. I heard that Winchester had some 2 3/4" 1 5/8 ounce copper plated and buffered XX loads back in the 80s that were delivering very good results up to 50 yards with good chokes. Now that's something I can get excited about. I'm taking a 98 year old fixed full to the woods next month. Still not sure what ammo yet. I'm pretty sure it will be #5 or #6 shot, but the actual load is yet to be decided. I used to think #4 was the do all to end all for shot size. Maybe not so much any more. I've shot some #4s, #5s, and #6s on paper. The pattern density does not lie.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Yea. I think I'm done hunting with #4s, the pattern is just too thin. Hoping to test some 2.75s soon.
@johnnorman7708
@johnnorman7708 Год назад
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I like #4 shot for its penetration potential on rabbits and squirrels. The lower pattern density is actually an asset since it reduces the number of pellets in the meat. It only takes a few #4 to cleanly kill small game and #4 holds energy better on those longer shots. All that said, I'm leaning towards #5 being the perfect compromise. #5 shot has only started to become more common in the last few years in factory ammo anywhere I've lived or hunted. Guess it was the "odd man out" for decades. Manufacturers tended to skip it over.
@johnnorman7708
@johnnorman7708 Год назад
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I am really curious about 2 3/4" 1 1/4 ounce heavy field in both 1220 and 1330 FPS versions. The Federal High Bird load really has my attention because of the new soft cell wadding. But Federal is also using a new podium wad in their other loads. Apparently the old Triple Plus may no longer be the cutting edge it used to be.
@alienone6854
@alienone6854 Год назад
When I started hunting Ozark Toms, A custom gunsmith told me to use 3" 12gauge 1 5/8 Winchester buffered #4s, all the ammo makers were selling 2oz. 12 gauge loads tky loads, he asked me "what do you want to get hit with at 40 yards a handful of ping pong balls or a couple of golf balls... those loads only came in boxs of 25 ....and worked for years.....until Hevi Shot came out...I shoot a .655 Carlson tube on a SBE1, the pattern at 50 yards is devastatingly tight...
@johnnorman7708
@johnnorman7708 Год назад
@@alienone6854 I heard 1 5/8 ounce of shot was a good payload match for a lot of choke and barrel combos that were common back in the 80s.
@BenHoltenFilms
@BenHoltenFilms Год назад
A semi auto will have less recoil shooting 3 1/2 than a pump with 3”. Start with going to semi auto which isn’t going to kick so much.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Yea, there is some truth to that. I did a video on the subject.
@juliusjames5577
@juliusjames5577 Год назад
I have a back bored investor + barrel. It shoots much better patterns with Longbeard xr 3.5” vs. 3”. Besides we have to shoot 3.5”. Because they don’t make a 4” silly!
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
90% of hunters never test to find out. Great job putting in the range time to find the best load for you!
@mattsweet7918
@mattsweet7918 Год назад
You are siting 25% more cost as a reason not to shoot 3.5” shells. I think this is a moot point when you look at what it costs to shoot TSS. Many people shoot TSS so cost does not appear to be a factor in what shells many people will shoot. If recoil is too much, go to a smaller gauge. Plus, hit what you aim at on the first shot and you won’t need a second shot. I use 3” Winchester Longbeard 12 gauge, which seem to do a good job.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
I'm trying to say you pay more and take more recoil but you do not necessarily get a better shot pattern with 3.5". It could indeed be worse. You have to test every shell with every gun/choke combo to see if you really are getting any benefit for the cost and recoil. TSS is the same. More does not always mean more performance where it counts.
@everythingoutdoors-vl9bl
@everythingoutdoors-vl9bl Год назад
20 g is the new 12 with tss 9s and the right choke
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
I am going more and more in that direction every day. If I had a 20, I'd probably use that.
@RicochetJP
@RicochetJP Год назад
Yep, that’s what I run
@everythingoutdoors-vl9bl
@everythingoutdoors-vl9bl Год назад
Winchester sxp 20 is a great gun for the price I run a sumtoy choke or Indian creek …vortex venom red dot and foxtrot 9s
@krm944
@krm944 Год назад
@@TheNewHuntersGuide try the 28. You’ll thank me later!!!
@bossgobbler2
@bossgobbler2 Год назад
20ga is the new 12ga. Compare 12ga 3" STLB1236 & 3.5 STLB 12L #6 Winchester Longbeard XR with 20ga 1 5/8 #9 TSS at 40 yards in Gel & 10" cir.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Pretty much no lead can compare with TSS!
@bossgobbler2
@bossgobbler2 Год назад
@@TheNewHuntersGuide It's the down size 12ga lead V 20ga TSS comparison
@krm944
@krm944 Год назад
Handloaders are putting 1 5/8 in a 28 gauge. I have no doubt the 28 with TSS is every bit as lethal as the 12 with lead.
@jimmyporta3439
@jimmyporta3439 Год назад
Thought you couldn't hunt turkey with higher than number 8 shot? Maybe that is just state based. And that tss shit is so expensive why would anyone buy it? Like 50 bucks for 5 shots
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
You can use 9 or 10 shot in most states. $10-20 per season on turkey ammo isn't that bad. It's all in how much you shoot.
@jimmyporta3439
@jimmyporta3439 Год назад
@The New Hunters Guide thank you for the reply I see maybe it's my state of vermont you can only go up to 8 shot, and I would just go with the long beard xr I mean the price point on it is great and it shoot well out of most shotguns and chokes, I guess I'm just kinda cheap!!! 😀 when I see 59 dollars for 5 rounds I'm like oh God people pay that! But I guess they do if it's a really popular round. Thanks again for the reply and have a great season!!!
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
@@jimmyporta3439 Yea, I'm not a salesman for TSS. In fact I tell pretty much everyone to use Winchester Long Beard. Best lead load in the industry and more than enough for most folks! Happy Hunting!
@jimmyporta3439
@jimmyporta3439 Год назад
@@TheNewHuntersGuide thanks man my season starts tomorrow
@tyepsu
@tyepsu 3 месяца назад
Federal TSS 3" 2oz is the way to go !!
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide 3 месяца назад
They make a 2oz in 3"?
@tyepsu
@tyepsu 3 месяца назад
@@TheNewHuntersGuide yes the 7&9 shot.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide 3 месяца назад
@@tyepsu Oh the 7/9 TSS mix. I don't think I ever saw that before. I just looked it up. Yea, I'd like to test that at some point for sure.
@DS-md7jn
@DS-md7jn Год назад
Some HUGE factors you're missing! -What gun are you shooting three and a half shells through? -What choke are you using? -Most important is your barrel backboard? -Is your barrel ported? These factors make a huge difference in using 3 1/2 shells comfortably and deadly.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
All good points to consider, but the biggest thing is are you getting patterns that are better than shells with less payload. I think to many people just assume that is a yes but in reality they never test it.
@DS-md7jn
@DS-md7jn Год назад
@@TheNewHuntersGuide yes I agree, but the factors I presented can possibly give you a better pattern with more payload and minimize the recoil because of the ported barrel.
@aronkoppold3981
@aronkoppold3981 3 месяца назад
A 300 pound guy might not feel the recoil of a 3-1/2 as much as a 180 pound guy like myself
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide 3 месяца назад
I think I said something similar to that in the right, didn't I?
@aronkoppold3981
@aronkoppold3981 3 месяца назад
The recoil ain't worth it to me
@rickvann3489
@rickvann3489 Год назад
Very much over kill for turkey hunting. Waterfowl I might would use them.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Yea
@swamp_rat_fla1126
@swamp_rat_fla1126 Год назад
Be a man and shoot the 3.5”. If your scared on the 3.5”, just say so already. I want as many bb’s going into that bird as possible. To each his own.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
I think a big part of the point I'm trying to make is bigger shells do not necessarily mean more pellets on paper. It's false to assume that. 3" or even 2.75" shells may pattern better. The 3.5" can be a total waste all the way around. Most people never pattern it to find out.
@Hunter-ex2sw
@Hunter-ex2sw Месяц назад
And people pay 15$ for a Starbucks coffee soy latte yada yada yada frapacuino
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Месяц назад
Ha, that's a good point.
@Hunter-ex2sw
@Hunter-ex2sw Месяц назад
@@TheNewHuntersGuideKeep up the great work. I absolutely love how you do deep dives. Could you try and get your hands and test the Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey. Keep up the great work
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide 24 дня назад
@@Hunter-ex2sw Thanks, I'll keep an eye out for it.
@whysolong27
@whysolong27 3 месяца назад
Real men don't complain about the recoil of 3.5 inch shell
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide 3 месяца назад
Real men recognize recoil for what it really is, an unintended negative side effect of the propulsion process that negatively impacts accuracy, shorting form, followup shots, and general comfort, while working to minimize this effect to generate better and more consistent shooting outcomes.
@whysolong27
@whysolong27 3 месяца назад
@@TheNewHuntersGuide hold on to the damn gun
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide 3 месяца назад
@@whysolong27 You cannot nullify recoil impulse just by being tougher. It will still be there and it will impact follow-up shots in direct proportion to the upper body mass of the shooter. It just math.
@verwolfpack
@verwolfpack Год назад
Okay, how about them testing videos, all I hear is just talk
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Typically every other video or so I do is a field test with other subjects mixed between them. Takes alot of time and funds to do field tests. One a week isn't quite sustainable yet.
@verwolfpack
@verwolfpack Год назад
@@TheNewHuntersGuidewell, I’ve tested both shells and my benelli sbe3 with jebs choke has better results shooting 3.5”, especially when you shooting 40 + yards, so I have no idea what are you talking about.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
@@verwolfpack Well, that is both good that your gun shoots the bigger shell better and it's good that you tested it. Another gun and choke could just as easily shoot the 3.5" worse. That is what I'm talking about. That and the cost and recoil of the 3.5" shells increases disproportionately to the amount of extra shot you get. How many pellets in a 10" circle are you getting at 40 yards with the 3" vs. the 3.5"? What is the percentage increase you are seeing? What is the increase or decrease in pattern efficiency? Have you counted the pellets and done the math? Or are you just eyeballing it? Because I've found in my testing that eyeballing is wrong about half the time. And we usually error in favor of our bias or expectations.
@michaelellis780
@michaelellis780 Год назад
Long beard shells are junk . Started shooting Kent shells they hit way harder .
@mattsweet7918
@mattsweet7918 Год назад
I’ve had a number of turkeys in the freezer that would disagree with you on that. If you get close and shoot straight they get the job done. I’ll stick with my Longbeards, since they’ve always got the job done.
@TheNewHuntersGuide
@TheNewHuntersGuide Год назад
Wait wait wait, what shell exactly can compete with the Long Beards? I've tested everything I could find and have never seen even a close second. Tell me more.
@Puckplayer3333
@Puckplayer3333 Год назад
I have three turkey shotguns and 11 or 12 different turkey chokes...the Kent Ultimate Turkey loads are *HANDS DOWN* the WORST patterning turkey loads I've ever seen! I would throw a Remington Nitro Turkey load at a bird BY HAND before I tried killing a bird with a Kent Ultimate Turkey load. Long Beard XR 3" 1 3/4oz #6/#5 have shot well in all three of my guns through just about ANY of the turkey chokes out to 40-45 yards! Do some chokes pattern better than others? Absolutely. My current favorite is a 12 gauge Winchester SXP Hybrid Turkey 24" with a Carlson Long Beard XR .665 choke shooting 3" Long Beard XR 1 3/4 oz #6 (SRXR1236). At 50 yards I consistently get 35-40 pellets in the brain/spine on a turkey target. The #6's are forgiving at close range and are plenty lethal at my personal max distance of 40-45 yards. I have been typing this comment for a couple minutes and am still laughing at the fact that you think Kent makes a good turkey load!? I have had my buddies try the Kents in their guns as well...same results...TERRIBLE! Never cut one open, but I believe they are an unbuffered load...so who knows how deformed that shot is after cramming 2 oz. of shot through a tight choke, UNBUFFERED, at 1175 fps?! If you are going to shoot lead/CP lead, Long Beard XR is the way to go by a long shot...followed by Federal Grand Slam. You cannot compare lead/CP lead and TSS at all...TSS is 5 times the price and outperforms lead in every aspect. At responsible ranges, Long Beard XR's are all you need at a little over $2/shot. I have seen first hand guys take stupid shots just because they have TSS in their gun. Killed the bird...3 shots of TSS and $38 later...by shooting it with a Long Beard XR in my gun as it flopped away! The first shot was at 71 yards and I told him not not shoot..."But he knew his gun and had TSS loads"...I made him pay me back the $2 for my Long Beard XR too! That turkey had TSS from its head to its toes...I will say, penetration at 70-85 yards was impressive for #9 TSS!
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