I hate JRPGS and enjoyed p1, besides getting annoyed of the battle theme halfway thought the game. ( I still prefer A lone prayer more than the original don't @ me)
Sadly most don't talk about the P2 games because most have never played them. Which is a shame as P2 is the best in the series. The story and characters are just amazing.
i would prefer them to remake persona 3 and 4 and put them on ps4 hell even adding the ps2 version of p3 and p4 to ps4 would be better then 1 and 2.. everywhere iheard those 2 games are absolute trash. i cant remember which game it was either 1 or 2 where you couldnt walk for 1 sec without running into an enemy and it got so boring
It really pisses me off that Personas 1 and 2 aren't getting much attention, Post-Persona 3. Aren't they like the foundation to the Persona franchise as a whole?! If not for these games, we would have never gotten Persona 3 and so forth! They deserve a full on recognization! I really hope that one day Atlus does a full remake on Personas 1 and 2 to meet the Persona 3 age standards.
I grew up on SMT games like DDS and Nocturne, as well as the Persona games starting with 3. I love these games with a passion and after just finishing Royal for some reason I've been thinking a lot about P1 and 2. I would really love to play these games as they are or remade, simply for the music and the story.
You're right. Here's a fun fact, Persona 1 was the best selling Atlus game in Japan until Persona 5 released. It was their top game for decades, so it's sad to see Western fans ignore it.
Unfortunately, the only thing that remains in every game are the skills, the last reference you could hear from the past games is: you can hear trish in if you turn in the tv in persona 3, and some people talk about how nanjo is remarkable for his way of dressing, after that, it seems that the 2 first games never happened, also in p3 theres a game called "innocent sin online" i think those are the only references i saw so far to the first 2 games, it could be nice to see more about all the games in the future.
P2 needs a complete remake to be fully appreciated. I love the games but would never replay them. That enemy encounter rate is too high, and the battle system is way too repetitive.
unfortunately remakes of the P2 games wouldn't have the same charm as the originals I feel. The kind of serious tone and religious as well as Nazi references P2 (especially innocent sin) had and what they were allowed to put into the story back then would never survive in today's overly sensitive, politically correct world.
Geass Zer0es Wolfenstein series is successful in today’s “politically correct” world tho, and those games are about a reality in which Nazis won WW2 lol
@@RedBull528 wolfensteino (i think) is just a critic and a shooter where you kill nazis and thats all... Persona games are more a critic vs MANY aspects of the modern life in a PRESENT reality so... i dont think it's the same
Anyone can play them on an emulator and the graphics are fine. I personally like Persona 2's graphics more on the PS1 version than on the PSP version. I do have problems with the combat system, but that's pretty personal and other people might prefer it as it is. I don't know about Persona 1 or 2 Eternal Punishment, but I don't see the necesity for an Innocent Sin remake.
I'm actually one of the few people who played the series in chronological order, but it's nice to see you raising awareness of these vastly underappreciated entries. You also made me even more excited to play Persona 5 when I get my hands on a system for it.
To me, the way I see it, if Persona 1 and 2 just get lower encounter rates, more interesting dungeon design, and faster battles ( this I want specifically for Persona 2), Also Persona 1 could get a slighty improved battle system and level up system. if all this happened, I wouldn't have any problems with them. I love everything else about them and I think they're great games. Persona 3 is fun and great too but I'm honestly not a big fan of the day to day type thing. its fun trying to decide what to do every day but it gets repetitive and boring for me after a while. And yes I do climb Tartarus a lot but you can only do that until you reach a blockade and have to wait for the next big Shadow (btw j have yet to finish P3 no spoils please lol).
Cool! I hope people don't get the wrong idea. I love Persona 3 and 4 for the story, characters, Persona fusing, and combat but the daily system gets annoying for me. If they just made it that you can do more things in each day then I'd enjoy it a lot more. Also in Persona 3, grinding for exp is a pain since you barely get any of it from battle and for money, you don't get any unless you guess the correct roulette at the end and I hate that. I have yet to play Persona 5 but I hope the daily system thing is made more fun (it seems like you can do a lot more each day so that's awesome).
I'll take dungeons taking place in malls, sanitariums and schools rather than a boring ass tower that drags on forever or randomly generated garbage. The dungeons are super SMT-y though but theres a spell to lower or nullify encounters. Also battles in persona 2 end really quickly if you know how to use fusions.
>more interesting dungeon design. This went out the window when hey gave us a 250+ floor tower that barely changes. 1 especially has frustrating dungeons, but at least they aren't boring randomly generated floors stacked upon floors.
I couldn't finish Persona 1. That enemy encounter rate pissed me off too much. I stopped about half way through the castle and then I just watched the rest. So i played about 60% of that game. Persona 2 was amazing though. Played both those parts to the end. Worth it.
@@NaschAzure hell I haven't and I already KNOW it's not light-hearted. Just looking up videos about P3, the story, and the epilogue shows how dark P3 really gets. This guy's totally ignorant to what P3 is about
See I started with persona 3 and after I beat it, I couldn't wait for persona 4 to come out. In time of waiting I picked these two games up, and loved them just as much as P3 (granted it was P2 that stood out more to me out of the two). The only thing that persona one and two did was made me hate myself for not picking the game series up sooner. The persona series is literally one of the best, along with the digital devil series. Atlus is just a godly company when it comes to games.
Same here though I got turned off at how different it was at first. Mechanics felt convoluted and I could get the story with more development from the manga. Then after playing persona 4 and more SMT games you really appreciate the differences and I find myself enjoying it more than I do most SMT. Just wish I knew more games that played like classic persona.
@@brandonontama2415 They arent horrible, they are better some characters in the series and plus they have access to more than one Persona which P3-P5 dont do for the entire party as a whole
"But as a Game: P5 = P4 > P3 > P2 > P1" Fixed that for you. The extended storylines brought to Persona 4 by its side games (like Arena and even Dancing All Night) push its overall quality as a game up to at least the same level as P5. (I'm gonna have to simply disagree with your entire ranking of the games based solely on their stories, however, because the general tone/atmosphere set by a game's story makes its quality largely subjective.)
I downloaded P1 months ago, but I haven't gotten the chance to play it yet, so I can't give too much of an opinion on it. I did however play both IS and EP, and honestly, those two combined have the best story imo. I do have to admit that the high random encounters put me off, but I got used to it after some time and items. It makes me sad that not many people know or even care about P2 (or at the very least pretend that the series started with 3) since the story is so damn good. Part of me really hopes they remake IS and EP, but I know it's not gonna happen.
They are not random encounters if you have a warning light that tells you your about to encounter enemies. I actually have the opposite problem with action encounters being everywhere in games today because I'm trying to play an rpg when my game turns into an action game. Not to mention the like giving different swing speeds or they just make it an auto hit.
Atlus may not remake Persona 1 and 2 in the near future. who knows. But they are referenced in Persona 5 a couple of times. SEBEC mentioned on TV on 6/11 A detective in rose-colored glasses is mentioned on TV. This character is probably Katsuya Sudou from Persona 2. The X Folders DVD you can rent plays the Mt. Iwato music from P2 It is small but the fact that they reference Persona 1-4 in Persona 5 with or without DLC is nice. It's like a way of ATLUS saying that they haven't completely forgotten it.
One thing I really hated with these current Persona games was just how much it tried to treat the main character as special, bordering on "perfect", even going into Gary Stu territory at times. Not only that, but they also put a lot of emphasis that only the group they are a part of can do anything, reinforcing that whole special deal. Contrast that with the earlier games where the main character is just as flawed, if not more so, as his comrades. He/She is not treated as some super special person. Additionally, not only is the whole thing with Persona's and the like common, they can even talk about it openly. But perhaps most importantly, it also shows that a group of immature teenagers really can't save the world, in fact, they made things worse. It was the adults who had to fix things.
matteste You're seriously complaining about a lack of realism in a JRPG? And honestly, what reason is there for a main character to be the main character without them being special? That's why Vaan is one of the least popular FF protagonists- because there's no reason for him to be the protagonist. And believe it or not, but some people actually enjoy imagining themselves as someone awesome once in a while. I know I do.
I never said anything about lack of realism, And if you think a story can't work without the main character being special then I seriously wonder how many actually good stories you have seen / read. My point is that all of the characters of a world should play by the same rules, nothing is hidden from anyone, and if one character can attain power then so can anyone else. It's get's especially annoying when some random normal dude is made special just cause, instead of say, they themselves making themselves special within the world they live in.
Persona 3 is lightheated and approachable? Your party is a team of people that mostly don't like each other, they bicker constantly, people betray you constantly, main characters die unexpectedly, your spend your time in dungeons shooting yourself in the head symbolically, the dark hour has blood and coffins everywhere.... Persona 4, sure, but honestly Persona 2 feels more lightheated to me than persona 3. The main thing that makes P3 feel 'lighter' is that the graphical style wasn't as serious as 2, mostly due to the somewhat deformed character models which was needed for Ps2 graphics at the time, couldnt rely on spites.
''mostly don't like each other''? What? The p3 cast may not start that friendly but they slowly build up a colective bond as the story progresses. They have a lot of troubled moments but that's because of all the stuff they have to deal with during the main plot and related to their own personal issues...but that doesn't mean they mostly don't like each other. In fact by the end of the game they're all best friends and ALL collectively remember about the main character and go meet him at the school roof, even though they were all supposed to forget about everything they passed through.
HassouTobi the reason I like the crew in P3 more than anyone in the beginning they really hate each other but the way they build up the relationship was much more relatable
Persona 3 is lame. Persona 4 is Diamond is unbrekable but with a shitty villian. P5 On the other hand has No weaknesses!!! Except for the final boss....fuck the final boss of P5 he sucks and he isnt hard.
Raptor Jesus the same amount of main characters die and get locked in alternate dimensions in both games. persona 2 ends with an entire fucking universe destroyed due to the fault of a protagonist's childishness and you legitimately think persona 3 had a darker tone just because the characters argued and had guns? edgy =/= mature, my fellow. unless your idea of a "mature game" is shadow the hedgehog because he also has guns, argues, and sonic dies, you should get what i'm saying. yes, persona 3 is definitely edgy, as are a lot of megaten games. but persona 2 is a more mature experience.
These games need an overhaul to make them less grindy. First off the encounters were to slow and samey, it all whittled down to keep attacking and healing till you win. The story was good but when it came to gameplay it could've done way better. Also Maya is Best Woman
cronical246 Persona 1 is the game I think needs a overhaul. Persona 2 was way better with the battle system. Just wish the encounter rate wasn't insanely high
I pretty sure that's every rpg/fps/jrpg is heal and attack until win. Also keep in mind Social links gave us grinding exp to level for new skills in persona. Classics just had us get new skills by using skills without leveling.
Persona 1 needs some changes, Persona 2 is ok I actually don't mind the high encounter rate and the SP system is perfectly fine I would leave the ability of regaining SP with moving alone since it stops the SP from slowing the game down
considering how much grind and repetitive combat there is in P3, I assume it only gets worse as you go further back (with how everyone describes P1 and P2 combat). Honestly I think I'm just gonna watch a playthrough of P2 IS and EP just because old-school JRPG combat is so god damn boring however I am looking forward to the story as everyone really hypes it up
Excellent video! I particularly love Persona 2 - the characters are some of the coolest in any game I've played, and they have so much depth. And I like how in both 1 and 2, in each room you go to the characters will be standing in different places, and they'll always have different things to say depending on where you are, and what point in the story you're at - that really adds to their depth. For example in Innocent Sin, I don't know if this is addressed in the main plot later on, but I found out that Eikichi starved himself to get thin purely because he makes an off-handed reference to it if you talk to him in one of the Satomi Tadashi stores at an early point in the story, and because I noticed in the flashbacks that he was a chubby kid. These games are really mature - properly, not in the way that usually means in games and films - and they address some serious issues. I'm told that applies to Eternal Punishment even moreso. Of course, it's also important to note that Innocent Sin features a gay option for the protagonist, which both 4 and 5 hint at but ultimately chicken out on. So for some reason Atlus is actually being less progressive now than they were in 1999. And yeah, I can't believe they took out the option to change your party members' personas from 3 onwards, removing so much customisation and strategy. Of course, in every version of 3 but the PSP one you can't even control your party members in battles - that's crazy! It definitely seems like they casualised the series... which catapulted it into mainstream success. Ah.
I agree with many points of this video, mostly in regard to story and character development. The main reason I enjoy P5 is that it does incorporate many of the elements introduced in P1 and 2, making the gameplay the best the series has to offer. I would love to see a proper remake of Persona 2 that combines the two games into one big game. P1 did get a deserved reception, but P2 is way too overlooked.
I feel like p5 uses some elements but simplifies then and dumbstruck them down too much to be good like demon negotiation in p5 is way worse and is boring
I think that the Persona 2 duology is wonderful and deserves way more attention than it got, but as a Persona fan myself, I think Persona 1 definitely needs a remaster of some sort. Even the PSP re-release isn't ideal, and while the PS1 version has an amazing atmosphere, its gameplay is quite dated and even obnoxious sometimes. I'm ok with having Persona 2 where it is, but the first game definitely needs some sort of overhaul into the modern era.
While I personally love Persona 3 a whole lot, I can't lie when I say Persona 1 and 2 deserve a lot more attention. Especially 2. I haven't completely finished the games of Persona 2 but I've definitely started to like the story. I can see why so many people say that P2 had the best story of all the games.
You don't need to follow a guide for social links. Technically you don't need a guide for any part of the game. The player is just meant to figure it out. (Although you may want a guide for the class questions)
Great video man. I appreciate the love you're showing these two (technically three) games. Especially P1 because I just plain don't understand the hate for that game. Then again I really love all the Persona games and have no problems going back to play the older ones. With the release of P5 recently I think this franchise is in great shape and I hope it stays that way. When it comes to preference I rank them P2>P5>P3>P1>P4
P3P is just Persona 3 with some well needed changes to gameplay (like being able to control party members) and added a female protagonist story (the non-canon part of P3P)
A coment that i heard often that piss me off is "they should remake P1&2 in the style of 3", and i´m like no, they shouldn´t, don´t get me wrong they should step up the gameplay a step but not to the point of loosing their identity. That aside, you really capture what i love of this games, and for those who say that the P1 characters are swallow and one noted, i suggest you to visit another places, after all you have time chase S.links aren´t you? Like you say, is a shame that this game are usually overlooked, not only by fans, but by the company itself. Just to more things, number one, The opening of the Persona 1 remake of Psp has my favorite theme in hte whole series, number two, you deserves more suscribers, i hope i can help with that. Great video.
What I agree on is that Persona 1 and 2 are great, they have this mature feeling to them, its a mature RPG and its refreshing. But i'd suggest to play Persona 2 Eternal Punishment on original console or PS2
P2 is criminally underrated and I hate it. Eternal Punishment was what introduced me to Persona and SMT as a whole, and I fell even more in love with Innocent Sin when they remade it for the PSP. Persona 3, 4 and 5 are all equally great games, but 2 will always have a special place in my heart. I’ve never played 1 though
"Social links are flawed, because you have to look up a guide." No, it's a life sim. Answer how you would. It's not "Oh man! I need to say the right things." No. The point is it's like hanging out with real people. If you look up a guide, it ruins the experience.
This game is so disrespected to the point it's pure blasphemy that people claim they dont exist one of the best RPGs I ever played the story is well thought out excellent characters I loved these games
My uncle has a psp go that he gave me when I was younger he had both persona 2 games in case and he handed them to me along with a random racing game he told me not to play persona 2 but as all 5 year old kids do they get curious and see what it is I didn’t know who hit-er was at the time and in game he was called fuh--r and I didn’t know what that meant so for a week I ran around saying fuh-r
persona 2 innocent sin and eternal punishment is amazing, i play that game after playing the 3, 4, 5. the characters is so good and well done, i have to say is my fav in the series so far, i still have to play persona 1.
really well done video. i fully agree with the social link being restricted with time, as much as i like the idea of it it is kinda annoying when you dont want to use a guide sinc ei like to play as i go without one unless im stuck. great discussion
Thank you and yea I feel the same way. People say "Oh you have free time" but even the guides will tell you that you need to use that free time in a certain order if you want to get the max social links.
Hearing the Velvet Room theme, it was really cool to see that the vocals and piano originated from these two characters from the earlier games..........for me that's a serious easter egg! Persona 5 being my introduction to the series, I was told not to really bother with the older games because P5 takes all the good from them while removing the bad. However, each game seems to have its own interesting story and characters............not to mention awesome individual soundtracks. It seems like a shame to not check these out, so I'll be looking into this more. My primary concern is all the Persona games seem to be heavy in the time investment department. 90 hours is already way past plenty to invest into a game, but to multiply that by 3 more games (I'm rounding up a bit here) is a touch intimidating. Something that you mentioned left me a bit confused. If every character in your party can change Personas then doesn't it make the game way easier? If only one character can switch Personas (like P4 and P5), in theory doesn't that make the game more of a challenge? It would mean you'd have to strategize more because you only have one wild card instead of 4.....so I don't think it's a bad change for only one character to be able to use more than one Persona.(Unless I'm misunderstanding the Persona switch mechanic in the older games) Also, I really enjoy the social links. They might be flawed (?) but I like them a lot. I like learning about the characters through this method and I would be really sad if they got rid of it. Maybe they'll find a way to improve on it so it feels more organic for people who feel like it doesn't quite click with them. I enjoyed this video, but I would have personally liked you to go more in-depth with what we should expect from Persona 1 and 2 gameplay wise. If we're coming from P4 or P5 it would be nice to have an idea of gameplay elements we might run into that may shellshock us or make it feel less accessible/fun. Sometimes being prepared with that knowledge can help make a game more enjoyable, especially if the game is dated.
After playing P5 I really wanted to go back and play 1-4. I've seen all of them on the PSN store, so whenever I get my Vita I am downloading all of those games. Nice vid btw
I just finished the persona 2 duology and here are my thoughts. Without spoiling too much, I have to at least say it made me crippling depressed with the bitterweet (heck it’s not even sweet much at all, still sad ending doesn’t mean it’s bad) and definitely a contrast to the newer games. I loved innocent sin but honestly I really didn’t like eternal punishment as much. Characters are amazing, I got very emotionally invested in them. Story is really great and lives up to the hype. Soundtrack is truly great, I guess Persona has always been good in the soundtrack department. The biggest flaw in these games are the contact/summoning system...they are incredibly unnecessarily complicated and inconsistent. I’m not sure why people complain about the encounter rate, it’s no different than old school pokemon and such imo lol...encounters are literally the gameplay itself so if you don’t like them you’re not gonna like the entire gameplay period. Basically it’s true that these games didn’t “age well” because the encounters are literally all the gameplay...the dungeons are merely just a place to walk and encounter and nothing else. So if you think you can be patient and understanding and you aren’t the type of person to despise random chance encounters, it’s definitely worth a play.
I definitely agree that they should be played, at least once. P1 was just a little too antiquated in gameplay design that it was hard for me to get into so I probably won't play it again. But both P2 games are still high on my list of enjoyable games.
It’s always tradition of mine to play through the first game in a series even though they’re not related and you can jump in at any point I’d like to see how the game involves over the years I do like persona one and two but four will always be my favorite. After all it brought me into this amazing community in series.
I actually played the games in order, haha, and really loved Persona 1! I was actually quite surprised to see people didn’t really like it or even pay attention nowadays
I really can't agree with this video in several key points: One, Persona 4 is certainly ridiculously lighthearted and it's unfortunately the starting point for a lot of people, but Persona 3 is as dark as it gets, even darker than P2. P2 certainly gets the crown in terms of insanity, both in story and tone, and it definitely has the most fantastic(as in out-of-this-world) story in any game I've ever played, but it's not that dark, although moreso in EP than IS. IS' ending is essentially a big reset button being pushed while P3's ending and story are jaloned with numerous deaths and the general story themes are extremely dark, all about life's meaning and abandoning the desire to live. Two, while P2 deserves great praise, P1 certainly doesn't. It was an experimentation on an SMT spinoff that really didn't work that well. Its gameplay is very poor and its general story experience certainly feels...experiment-ish. It's usually abandoned for the better, unlike P2. And lastly while I agree that P2 needs to be at least tried, I don't think that the social links are necessarily flawed. Either in terms of lightening the story or making you follow a guide. While technically true that I never 100% social links in any Persona without a guide, only P3 is outright impossible to do, the others are probably doable if you've completed the game once or twice and you know which stats to grow in priority and where to upgrade things. The social links also do not hamper on the main storyline's development at all, it actually accompanies it beautifully in every game, although I think they've been overdoing it since P4 and every game since needs to have every team member be a social link and that means less room for other characters, which is a shame. The links allow you to expand on the characters you like the most in priority, and you're never forced to 100% them all, or talk to people you hate. It's a great mechanic both for story and now in P5 for gameplay, it's non-linear and expands greatly, and I'm glad it became and will remain a staple of the series. Still it's good to give classic/old Persona some love, but I watched this vid to be convinced to play P1 since I only finished P2, and I'm not convinced at all honestly.
P3 isn't darker than P2, in P2 far more people died. And Tatsuya's fate is much more "tragic" than Minato's. I dont't see where you're coming from. IS ending wasn't a reset button, the universe was completely destroyed except for Sumaru City. Then they abandoned their bonds/memories to remake a new one. Innocent Sin's ending completely shit on the "friend ship will defeat the big bad" unlike P3 where you're powered by it to seal Nyx. P2 EP's ending is the most sad one in all of Persona. You see Maya move on in the last cut scene, and barely anyone remembers Tatsuya's sacrifice. He's "Eternally Punished" by having to be forgotten and exiled to a destroyed world where he probably died horribly.
The thing is, that Minato's friends remember him. Tatsuya's entire existence was rejected by the new world/universe, as he is a paradox. Only Maya and the EP crew remember him. His fate is crueler than Minato/P3MC who didn't mind sealing himself.
DIO Brando well to be fair Tatsuya was told what was gonna happen at the end of IS if he tried to keep his memories I believe. And that's still only a handful of people that remember both of them. Minato's friends probably consist of like, 2 or 3 more people though I guess. And a dog. What is interesting in this scenario is Igor though, being the only character present in every game (not counting Philemon in butterfly form) it makes you wonder if he remembers everything that happened in each game and if he's assisted other Persona users through their journeys prior to the events of P1.
i.imgur.com/VfxW15D.png He was destined to remember, even Philemon prays that he remembers. Since they were defeated by Nyarl in IS, Philemon hoped he remembered so Nyarl could actually be defeated. All according to plan.. Nyarl also fucked with Tatsuya in EP, as seen from the mark on his sand. Tatsuya was just a chess piece for Philemon and Nyarl. It really wasn't his fault.
The moment you started playing "school days" from P1 i completely sang that song in my head and ignored the video, so i had to go back and watch it again🤣🤣
personally, other than gameplay mechanics, I can only assume the reason the characters can switch around multiple personas in the first 3 games and not in the others is because of philemon being so much more involved in the plot
There are two Persona 2 games. Persona 2: Innocent Sin and Persona 2: Eternal Punishment. Innocent Sin is 1st part, Eternal Punishment 2nd. Innocent Sin was unavailable for English speaking gamers until PSP version. Unfortunately, there was no English version for Eternal Punishment for PSP, this time, so you can play either PSX version on emulator or find a PSX-PSP bootable.
My problem with the first Persona games is that they're needlessly difficult; you don't get EXP if you negotiate with demons, so either you choose between leveling up your characters or developing your personas. This makes it so you pretty much have to fight twice the battles in order to proceed efficiently without burning out your resources.
my first jrpg was revelations, so i have a soft spot for it. i love it with all my heart lol, and the story seems more grounded. tadashi is one of the better megaten writers as well, while cheesy, he made dds1 and p2 amazing.
Honestly I'd be so down to play P1 and P2... that is if they were remastered. My first Persona game was P5, and now I'm playing P4G with P3P after. P1 and P2 seem too "outdated" for me to want to sit down and sink lots of hours into both.
Eternal Punishment was the first Persona - or even MegaTen game i ever played, and it immediately hooked me on the series. i actually stopped playing after the first visit to the Velvet Room until i could get my hands on Persona 1 and Innocent Sin. of course, i heard the buzz about Persona 3 and 4, and how popular they were, so i was excited to get to them, but after playing 1 and 2, and with those as my frame of reference for the series, i actually ended up being kind of disappointed in them... not that they're bad or even that i don't like them - they're good games and i do enjoy them - they're just not... Persona 1 and 2...
Everyone should play Persona 2. But not Persona 1. You read the manga for that one. Also, while Persona 2 Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment have a really good plot and characters, its gameplay is really boring in my opinion. These 3 games would really benefit from a full blown remake that adds a lot of the manga additions into Persona 1 and use the combat systems of modern Persona titles. I mean hell, I'd honestly take just having an anime adaptation of the first three Persona games if it means more people get to experience the story.
persona 1 and 2 are great, you should def checl them out. what you shouldn't do is take anything this guy says to heart. completely spot OFF analysis of...everything
1 and 2 probably needs a remake/reboot like the recently FE Echoes keeping most of the stuff that keeps it different from 3-5 and maybe new stuff added
Social Links are inherently flawed to the overall narrative to the story. None of your social links matter to the actual main plot and any "character development" that happens in them isn't reflected in the overall game. Sure, they are a nice device to see a little more about the character you are spending time with, but in the grand scheme of the game they don't do anything to story and that is a real disconnect. Any contribution they do have is usually at the end of the game and isn't naturally woven in the story as the game progresses.
Well, the social links were never meant to be woven into the main story anyway. They're entirely optional. They just give you something relaxing and fun to do when you're not slashing demons in dungeons and fortunately, they're not useless.
I agree though I'd say they fit the Life sims element of the games more than the rpg parts. Without them it would feel pretty empty. I actually blame social links for adding grinding. Prior you learned new skills from ranking up by using your persona skills and leveling was just stat bonus. When we Added social links we need a reason for it to affect rpg gameplay so they reward exp. So to make exp important we put skills behind leveling up. Now you have to level persona to learn skills and it really sucks that first play through when you don't have the social link for that arcana.
Also with the release of the Dancing games for P3 and P5 after P4 coupled with P5Royal later this year, it would really make sense for them to remaster the earlier games (P1 - P4) for the PS4. I played Persona5 first then P4G on the Vita and recently completed one walk through of P3Portable, all 3 games were mind blowing for me and I'm definitely going to play P1 and P2 on the Vita sometime later but yes a remaster of all would be so amazing.
And really the reason why 3 4 and 5 is more popular is because they're better games, I would love a remake of 2, But not 1 even with better gameplay the story isn't that great also.
Jackopo Zeict Agreed, Persona 3, 4 and 5 are amazing (especially 5) in the gameplay department... Persona and Persona 2 are so outdated, i say this but I'm not a new player, my first JRPG was FFVII, 20 years ago. Man, even today i can play JRPGs of that age and enjoy them, like FFVI, VII, VIII, IX, etc, Chrono Trigger and Cross, Legend Of Dragoon, etc. But Persona 1 and 2... Tedium is the word.
P1 is a decent game, but the others Persona games have set kind of really high standards. Really, I can just appreciate it as the missing link it is between If... and the rest of the Persona franchise
I feel like too many people glance over the pacing issue of innocent sin. They drop concepts like rumors coming true to add Suduo who also gets dropped only for tbe book plot to be put on hold for a mountain trip with Nazis and monks while forgetting to give anyone real character depth
To the people aggressively insulting the social link system in the comment: different strokes for different folks, I guess? I personally enjoy them. It makes Persona 3-5 feel like an RPG, (good) dating/life sim, and anime (but not total weeb garbage) rolled into one. You can enjoy Persona 1 and 2 alongside the other 3, you know.
Persona 1 and the Persona 2 duology seriously lack in the gameplay departement, in Persona PSP. There's that terrible system of experience. Where only the character that did damage or healed gains EXP. Sounds cool on paper. But it's a real pain in the ass. It made the final battle really cheesy where all my underpowered character used Magic or Physic reflect stone while my damage dealer gets a hit in. For Persona 2. Both games were just too easy except one early boss in Eternal Punishement. They are also quite slow paced. The negotiation system is great for the dialogue but getting those cards aren't worth much, because I only started fusing new Personas in IS when I was halfway trough the game. Ultimately, the earlier games got a really great package. The ambiance, the badass music. (The numerous theme for the Velvet Room in Persona 2 is great) The unique adult characters from Persona 2 (Maya is objectively the best waifu). All the dialogue you get from your party members everytime you visit a new shop/locale. And of course the fact the story is just so ridiculous and the symbolism is crazy if you dig deep enough. Bottom line: WE NEED AN ANIME OF PERSONA 1/2. A remake is too big of a project for Index/Atlus but an OAV or anime is definitely possible.
