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Why You Should Stop Contributing To Your 401k! (repost) 

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@JiroYamato
@JiroYamato 12 дней назад
l Iive in rural Kansas and I retired at the end of October I say retired because I quit my job without having another job and I wasn't planning on going back to work at a full-time job I do have some side income from some passive income from an investment,that's very small that's what I live on I have a small savings compared to most people that retire but I am not touching that savings and I watching it grow but I just wanted to introduce my living situation to you
@Katherine-o2r
@Katherine-o2r 12 дней назад
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@Alvarez-m3q
@Alvarez-m3q 12 дней назад
I worked hard in 2019 2020 21 22 and put some money into the market long term sitting in a pretty nice spot those of you that are newer right now you're paying your dues you're gaining you experience you're trying to lock up some profit but I encourage you to put some away for the long term so if you can use a Roth IRA you put some away tax-free save for your retirement and benefit from you know growth in the overall market and compound interest as it um as it starts to gain
@JiroYamato
@JiroYamato 12 дней назад
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@Alvarez-m3q 12 дней назад
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@AdamWright8fool
@AdamWright8fool 9 дней назад
Just discovered your channel with this video. Case studies are extremely useful and I'd like to see more in the future! Creating wealth entails establishing routines, such as setting aside funds at regular intervals for sound investments
@FreestyleJameZ
@FreestyleJameZ 9 дней назад
It’s important to consult with a financial advisor before making any investment decisions.
@ArchieJohnson5h
@ArchieJohnson5h 9 дней назад
Yes true, I learnt that in 2023, when I lost almost everything. But I switched to using a financial advisor and I've been returning at least $98k every month so I’ve been sticking to investing via an Advisor.
@AdamWright8fool
@AdamWright8fool 9 дней назад
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@ArchieJohnson5h
@ArchieJohnson5h 9 дней назад
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@AdamWright8fool 9 дней назад
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@ericgofreed1651
@ericgofreed1651 12 дней назад
You're complaining about the 10% early withdrawal penalty from your 401(k). But it's a retirement account for a reason! You're meant to withdraw the money after you retire. I contributed 15% of my salary to my retirement account from age 24 until I retired at 62. If you do the same, you won't have to worry about money when you retire. I never considered using my retirement investments for anything other than life after work.
@beatricerights
@beatricerights 11 дней назад
The point he is making is that you don't have access to your money in case of an emergency or great business opportunity.
@glasshalffull2930
@glasshalffull2930 11 дней назад
One of the companies my brother worked for had a stock program that he participated in and the others has 401Ks that he never participated in. Guess what? He’s now 67, retired and has the stock and SS, but if anything major goes wrong, he will be in major trouble. He was making 6 figures, but he always had to have his big boy toys.
@beatricerights
@beatricerights 11 дней назад
@@glasshalffull2930 He's 67, I think he will be fine. He lived his life his way.
@BrianNC81
@BrianNC81 10 дней назад
​@@beatricerights Retirement accounts not intended to be an emergency fund. 6 months expense in a high yield savings account is for emergencies.
@clintbowen1305
@clintbowen1305 10 дней назад
Josh is also talking about retiring early. He said he's 50, I'm 52. If everything is locked up in a retirement account it's a 10% early withdrawal penalty. Put that same money outside a pre-tax account, whether Roth or taxable investment account, and you now have access
@Sean_Morrison
@Sean_Morrison 12 дней назад
55 Rule...no 10% penalty.
@bobb7918
@bobb7918 12 дней назад
Only works with 401k at the last place you are working at.
@shawnmaddox6336
@shawnmaddox6336 12 дней назад
​@@bobb7918 good reason to make sure when you move to a new place you move your 401k with you
@TheDjcarter1966
@TheDjcarter1966 12 дней назад
I did this and retired at 56, I didn't need the money for expenses but I used it to pay off my RV, so now with ZERO debts I travel the country with the wife in that RV full time. I haven't taken out any other money and live off a $4k/month pension with medical. Only thing I have to figure out is housing in 5 years or so when we decide to stop traveling. By then I'm counting on my $625k in IRA and 401k to have grown a little and I'll probably take SS early. It's all about lifestyle I can live off $5/6k a month even if i have a little mortgage
@user-nz3bs7fh6y
@user-nz3bs7fh6y 12 дней назад
@@bobb7918 True but let's say you get let go at your job at 54. You start a new job later that year just roll the old 401k over to the new job's plan and you are now eligible to the entire amount at 55.
@ericmayhand551
@ericmayhand551 12 дней назад
@@TheDjcarter1966 Awesome and congratulations!
@user-qp5to9ct7g
@user-qp5to9ct7g 12 дней назад
A good reminder. Thx for reposting.
@BrewNomads
@BrewNomads 11 дней назад
Roth makes more financial sense if your income, and therefore tax bracket, is expected to be higher in retirement than while working. I get the emotional factor of paying income tax during retirement, but one should not forget that the nest egg would be considerably smaller had you paid the taxes while working due to lost long term compounding, especially if you were a high earner while contributing.
@brucesmith9144
@brucesmith9144 12 дней назад
The other shoe to drop is what will the tax code look like after 2025? If Sniffy Joe gets reelected, we could have a very painful tax bite on tax-deferred savings. Pay the tax now and sleep better at night.
@Scott-xf5xb
@Scott-xf5xb 12 дней назад
Just recently changed all my contributions to the Roth 401K.
@TheDjcarter1966
@TheDjcarter1966 12 дней назад
Hopefully you save more than that if you can.
@ericmayhand551
@ericmayhand551 12 дней назад
@@Scott-xf5xb Great start. I'm in a similar situation and just reduced my pre-tax 403b contribution to equal my employer's match of 2.5%. Instead of participating in my employer's ROTH 403b, I'll open a ROTH IRA with Fidelity where I way more options to invest and without all the fees. Good luck to you!
@bobhoran9778
@bobhoran9778 11 дней назад
Today I just changed my 401k contribution to 0%. This wasn’t easy. All new saving will go to cash. Will still max out my Roth, but all new money will go to CDs within the Roth. Retiring in 3.6 years at 62.5. Trying for 3x retirement withdrawals in cash for my 2nd bucket. Won’t have to worry about taxes on this money except for interest.
@richarddonald-gc9rb
@richarddonald-gc9rb 7 дней назад
I am 53 and retired at 50. 1 thing I did do to retire early was to get out of the 401K and IRA programs. Bought rental real-estate and I am now a Limited Partner in about 1500+ units from collabrative efforts in the fund my estate planner has me invested in. I do not work.
@vernshird711
@vernshird711 12 дней назад
I stopped contributions to my 401k this year as I'm in year two of my three year 457b special catch up. I'm sticking away $46K in my 457b for 2024 ($23K regular amount X 2). I won't be touching the 457b until RMDs - I'm stuffing it now so it can grow longer. I'll start tapping into the 401k once I retire at the end of 2025. Josh - you should talk about 457b's more...they have nice features if you're lucky enough to have one.
@TheFirstRealChewy
@TheFirstRealChewy 9 дней назад
There is something dramatically emotional to paying taxes on the money today. That said, if I did everything based on emotions then I wouldn't be working today because I sure don't feel like it. If paying taxes in retirement is a dealbreaker, then pay the taxes now even if its not the best option for you. Factor in everything, including side hustles, pensions, social security and capital gains. I did the assessment and I see why they say it depends on how much money you make in retirement. Paying taxes is an issue when you make enough money to pay taxes on. You should still have a concept of an emergency fund even in retirement to avoid spikes in withdrawals regardless of the investment type, but especially so for tax deferred investments. When you are working your income is based on how much your employer pay you. When you retire your income is based on how much you withdraw. You have much more control of how much you withdraw. If RMDs are a problem then congratulations! People with more money complain about RMDs.
@lmelior
@lmelior 12 дней назад
This must have been posted before you were rollin' in that dough, Josh! If your marginal tax rate is less than 25% you should probably do Roth, but if it's 30+% you should probably do traditional. It's also worth noting that if you can swing getting the extra money in Roth 401k that's great, but if you want/need to keep your paycheck the same, you'll be able to get more money into traditional. I'm going with the traditional 401k + Roth IRA + HSA.
@whatsup6628
@whatsup6628 12 дней назад
Agree if you are young and not making much. But I'm 52, making the most I have ever made and in 22% tax bracket. Already have $200k outside. So not putting a ton in pre tax 401k. What if either my wife or I lose job and then not making much money. It's good to have balanced approach. Although I do realize taxes are likely going up.
@roggiedale
@roggiedale 11 дней назад
I feel so blessed we invested almost 100% Roth. Also rental property which will be roll in to Roth soon. On tax forms we look dirt poor.
@shawnmaddox6336
@shawnmaddox6336 12 дней назад
I wish i would of done this but to late for me now I'm 57 retiring next year
@GuyandLori
@GuyandLori 11 дней назад
This is a repost but I liked watching it again as it reminded me of the day I changed the majority of my 401k contributions from pretax to Roth. I was way late to this ballgame but due to this video by Josh, at least I got started when I did.
@Darwinq84
@Darwinq84 12 дней назад
Using the rule of 55 on the 401K, I think I rather just work for the company until age 55 and then retired without having to worry about a 10% penalty. And I wouldn't be paying 25% taxes- I would just withdraw enough to remain in the 12% - 15% tax bracket which today is at 94k if filing jointly. Maybe a mix of the two could work: a traditional 401K and a Roth IRA so that you can withdraw from the 401k first up until that 2nd tax bracket and then if you need additional funds, pull from the Roth account.
@LR-jk2jk
@LR-jk2jk 3 дня назад
100% agree. Security of your income is priority #1 in retirement. The taxes I am paying now on roth conversions may be higher than my future taxes, but I know I can afford them now. I don't want to wait, hoping for lower taxes later, only to find out that I cannot afford to pay them.
@marlonmcintosh4500
@marlonmcintosh4500 9 дней назад
Wow! Good video! Im currently maxing out my 403b and 457....i may have to rethink my investment strategy.😮
@glasshalffull2930
@glasshalffull2930 11 дней назад
Hey, my parents lived through the Great Depression and thought stocks were equivalent to Las Vegas. I knew to take the match and a very well dressed co-worker told me to max out or I wouldn’t be retiring. (I figured he looked successful !). I figured I might have a couple hundred thousand when I retired. Instead, I have a couple million. Put it in and leave it in!!!
@user-qp5to9ct7g
@user-qp5to9ct7g 12 дней назад
Yep, exactly. Enough said.
@rednoseplaya
@rednoseplaya 8 дней назад
I didn’t start my 401k until I was 48yoa. Fortunately, I contributed the federal maximum amount for a few years(16k+), at the time. Currently, I’m 60yoa with over $3 million that’s 100% invested. Should I retire now and what to do about insurance? Speak with Fidelity ?
@bradleygraves5915
@bradleygraves5915 12 дней назад
My employer offers a ROTH 401k. I max it out, then I drop the $8k allowed in my personal IRA. Wish I had worked for employers that offered the ROTH option years ago!
@orlymarq6238
@orlymarq6238 9 дней назад
You still have to pay taxes , state taxes and federal taxes! Same in North Carolina. 30 percent total.
@M22Research
@M22Research 5 дней назад
Do only pre-tax contributions? Even if you’re in the last ten years of your career and at the highest tax bracket of your life?
@celestial_sphere3
@celestial_sphere3 12 дней назад
Josh you’re the reason I switched to Roth 401k contributions when I was 27
@bryonsview
@bryonsview 12 дней назад
My logic is to have 5% withdrawn in 401k by retirement. Example standard deduction is 27k. 27k/5% = 540k. So someone retiring in 2024 shouldn’t have more than 540k in traditional 401k. Then you can reverse engineer based on your age and 3% inflation of standard deduction.
@ShawnMcBreen
@ShawnMcBreen 12 дней назад
Brokerage accounts held for a year only 15% tax not OE.
@t.s.3669
@t.s.3669 11 дней назад
Over a year, single filers making less than $47,026 in taxable income, 0% on qualified realized long term gains. For joint filers, making less than $94, 051, same thing. Only over those incomes, you might be subject to 15-20% tax rates. If you can withraw and live on those amounts or less, 0% tax.
@glasshalffull2930
@glasshalffull2930 11 дней назад
“What if……..” you build an emergency account over the years that can be used for emergencies, etc……😉
@beatricerights
@beatricerights 11 дней назад
Or just a bridge account.
@tomhaeussler6553
@tomhaeussler6553 9 дней назад
I’m contributing to a 401k through my job and a Roth IRA outside of my job, been doing it for years
@nationalzero269
@nationalzero269 6 дней назад
No, I make too much money; this is my old tax deduction.
@ICantSpellDawg
@ICantSpellDawg 12 дней назад
Can you do a specid strategy video?
@TheFirstRealChewy
@TheFirstRealChewy 9 дней назад
There is a difference between retirement and early retirement. Your retirement accounts are for retirement, not early retirement. I vest for retirement and if you have extra money burning a hole in your pocket, invest for early retirement.
@knpstrr
@knpstrr 9 дней назад
This is why I've come to think brokerage accounts are superior. In most ETFs if you aren't selling it is basically growing tax-free anyway. Down the line, capital gains & dividends are taxed at favorable rates. Lastly, when you pass heirs get a stepped up basis on the shares, meaning they could sell it all with no tax. And of course you maintain the optionality to be able to fund all of the "what if" scenarios. Traditional 401k and IRAs heirs have to withdrawal and pay tax on all the money within 10 years.
@kerryberry142
@kerryberry142 10 дней назад
My work only matches pretax 401k, so I put in the match amount. What they match is my tax money is my view. They also offer a Roth which I contribute to as well at a smaller percentage. My grandmother gave me the best advice as a child, 👦 au yourself first. Once I was in my 30s and able to do that I paid myself…even if only 20 bucks a paycheck. I’m 52 now and that 20 bucks adds up over time. The advice I give my grown children now is diversify everything, don’t put all your money in any one basket. Get free money for 401k, put equal in savings, and stay out of debt. Wish I would have gotten that advice earlier!!!!
@bruced.370
@bruced.370 12 дней назад
Bravo 👏🤑. Pay taxes while you work!!
@christine-jx4fh
@christine-jx4fh 7 дней назад
Thanks for showing me the light. Roth 401k all the way. Poor on paper.
@scrambledeggs88
@scrambledeggs88 12 дней назад
In my case: Illinois has no retirement account tax. So I save ~5% by doing pretax. That's half the penalty right there. Can my investments grow 5% to offset the rest of the penalty? I think so. So, it's a wash for me - but add in the deferred taxes, that means more growth so I come out ahead, even if I take a 10% penalty
@TheDjcarter1966
@TheDjcarter1966 12 дней назад
As long as you retire from your current job and have your 401k with that job at time of retirement and are 55 you avoid the 10% penalty, and you are planning on moving to a tax free state do that first and you avoid state and if you can wait until following tax year odds are you can get away with 15% effective tax
@scrambledeggs88
@scrambledeggs88 12 дней назад
@@TheDjcarter1966 i am also planning on withdrawing some early from 401k to qualify for ACA subsidies which more than offsets any penalty
@johnrichards2812
@johnrichards2812 11 дней назад
Everyone's situation is different. Anyone who just quits working and then has to withdraw $100K out of retirement or savings clearly hasn't thought through things. People have to plan and pick their spots. If kids are grown and gone, sell the house, live more frugally, get a side hustle, whatever. People like to hate on 401k's. It forces me to save, money's gone before it lands in my direct deposit. I get free money with a nice match, and I get a break on my taxes (pre-tax) in a higher tax bracket while in my higher earning years. I plan to sell my home, take the profit, live more frugally, have a side hustle, take social before 67 by a few years. People need to have a plan 10 years before they plan to retire, taking into consideration what if this happens, what if that happens. Years ago there was no internet. Today you can get information or access to anything you need online and get help from a myriad of sources and advisors. If it is to be it's up to me.
@bobb7918
@bobb7918 12 дней назад
I make a good salary and I am doing a Roth!!! Pay the tax while your working.
@bobb7918
@bobb7918 12 дней назад
@traybern Sorry nope that is money I am going to live on when I retire early and can get prem credits on HCA by living off the Roth. I will be over 59 1/2..
@Lolatyou332
@Lolatyou332 12 дней назад
​@traybern I do Roth / Brokerage / 401k.. You really should do Roth first after any employer match, then do any additional investing into the 401k assuming you don't have any plans to retire early. I have no regrets with having a big stack of money in a brokerage account, it gives a ton of freedom and I know it will ultimately be my bridge account in retirement.. Roth contributions are very limited and it will be the very last thing you ever withdrawal from. It's better to invest too much into a Roth early on rather than invest too much in a 401k early on. Once there's too much in a 401k your really going to struggle being tax efficient anyway and most of the people watching this content is likely investing a larger percentage of their net income because they're financially savvy. If I only invested into my 401k by the time I retired I'd literally be in a higher tax bracket than I currently am by the time I retire and a lot of the lower tax brackets would just be eaten by SS and there just wouldn't be any effective way for me to do roth conversions.
@TheDjcarter1966
@TheDjcarter1966 12 дней назад
Definitely Max the Roth but you'll want additional money too
@semosancus5506
@semosancus5506 12 дней назад
I don't know... I'm avoiding 32 percent tax now so I can pay 22 later. I'm maxing my 401k now.
@MAKE_PHOTOGRAPHS_ANYWHERE
@MAKE_PHOTOGRAPHS_ANYWHERE 12 дней назад
Josh, hmm tough call my man, I totally get what you are saying. For me I always thought the benefits of putting it in a traditional 401k is you get a compounding effect from the governments tax money to your advantage. I like to ask a question what would Warren Buffet do in this situation? That said it is PAINFUL to pay that much on taxes on the way out. If your accounts did huge returns then you could say yea it was worth it, if not you might be kicking yourself. Still scratching my head on this one. ... Take Care Bud !
@Darwinq84
@Darwinq84 11 дней назад
And another thing to consider is that a high-income earner today, say over $100k/year, would want to use the traditional 401k to keep them under the high tax bracket of 22 - 25%. In retirement, just withdraw up to the 2nd tax bracket 12 - 15%. With that said, also get a Roth account so that you can use it to supplement your 401 withdrawals.
@MAKE_PHOTOGRAPHS_ANYWHERE
@MAKE_PHOTOGRAPHS_ANYWHERE 11 дней назад
@@Darwinq84 ahh yep that is what I thought as well. Thanks for replyijg.
@thomasmoshier3920
@thomasmoshier3920 12 дней назад
Why would you pull money out at 50? It’s called a retirement account. It’s for retirement. Not for a “business opportunity.” You make it easy for people to access their money and they will spend it. Sometimes you have to save people from themselves. Emotion and money are a dangerous combination. You’ve got bills? WORK!!!! Quit blaming the government because you want to use your money for something it wasn’t meant to be used for.
@Lolatyou332
@Lolatyou332 12 дней назад
The point he's making is that rather than just focusing purely on the potential to save an extra 10% or so in tax savings in a 401k, your pretty much giving up any freedom to use that money without occurring a penalty and the future can be uncertain. I'm just glad I put most of my money into a brokerage account, my 401k is basically out of sight out of mind since I just do automatic contributions and then just max out my Roth at the start of the year while I'm still eligible.
@thomasmoshier3920
@thomasmoshier3920 12 дней назад
While in our 50’s, most of us are at our maximum earning capacity. Therefore “that extra 10% tax savings” is significant. The alternative is to not contribute so you’ll have cash for mostly needless emotional purchases. Making retirement planning suffer in the process. And the whole retire early because you’re gonna die early troupe becomes pointless. You can’t really have it both ways. It’s either one or the other…..
@bryonsview
@bryonsview 12 дней назад
Not everyone wants to work until 59 1/2
@Darwinq84
@Darwinq84 11 дней назад
@@bryonsview You can work until age 55 and then the rule of 55 applies to 401Ks which allows you to make withdrawals penalty-free.
@quint6363
@quint6363 11 дней назад
I could care less what others do. Everyone is grown, make your own choices.
@jeannettesilva4242
@jeannettesilva4242 11 дней назад
TAKE THE MACH. IF YOU CAN PUT IT IN A ROUTH 401K AND THE MAX YOUR ROUTH THEN PUT THE REST IN A BROKERIG! IN THE S&P 500 !
@gregberry9122
@gregberry9122 12 дней назад
What terrible advice. Use your retirement funds as your emergency fund? To invest in some small business or real estated deal? Sure, sounds great until you retire and have nothing left. I've run the numbers and for me there's zero difference in the tax implication of Roth vs Pre-Tax accounts. Except that paying taxes today uses pre-inflation dollars that are worth more than future dollars. Oh, yeah, and paying the tax at the time of withdrawal has the benefit of making you think long and hard about whether you need to take that money out.
@ericmayhand551
@ericmayhand551 12 дней назад
I tend to agree! Please say that again, "paying taxes today uses pre-inflation dollars that are worth more than future dollars."
@billrussell569
@billrussell569 11 дней назад
If you are under 59 years old, the first priority is to put a big dent (or pay down) any significant debt and put money into your 401K. Taxes will always exist ... they go back to the times of Jesus (Render unto Caesar). The key is to pay taxes when you are in the lowest marginal tax bracket that you will ever be in during your life.
@sburger1685
@sburger1685 12 дней назад
You talking like a brokerage account. Correct?
@walkingdude8779
@walkingdude8779 12 дней назад
Imagine have a pre tax account drop 50% on a downturn right as you think your going to retire.
@walkingdude8779
@walkingdude8779 12 дней назад
You are correct. I would rather pay the taxes I know today are better than the unknown taxes with the USA 35T in debt.
@Shane46587
@Shane46587 12 дней назад
You borrow up to $50k from your traditional 401k and pay interest to yourself for up to 5 years with no other penalties? Also, if you’re in a higher bracket your tax savings can partially fund your Roth contribution.
@Lolatyou332
@Lolatyou332 12 дней назад
I don't ever understand when people bring up the loans from their 401k.. I just don't see any benefit as you'd ultimately still need to save an extra 50k over 5 years just to pay back the loan assuming that you needed the 50k to spend in the first place.
@alrocky
@alrocky 11 дней назад
There is no "tax savings" from $50k 401(k) loan and "tax savings" by paying interest to yourself that can be used to fund a Roth contribution.
@lorkmikko
@lorkmikko 12 дней назад
Unsubscribed...repost
@bruced.370
@bruced.370 12 дней назад
Bye bye-bye 👋
@bill72pa
@bill72pa 12 дней назад
Lol. Triggered.
@bobb7918
@bobb7918 12 дней назад
He says it is a repost just skip these.
@robertsleeth861
@robertsleeth861 12 дней назад
​@@bobb7918I like reading the new comments.
@Lolatyou332
@Lolatyou332 12 дней назад
Did you even watch the original, anyway? lol
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