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Learn how to get the film look using DIFFUSION FILTERS like the Tiffen Black Pro Mist and Tiffen Black Satin. If you’re looking to give your shots more of an organic, cinematic film look, maybe you’ve considered shooting with diffusion filters. Today I’m doing a comparison between two of the more popular diffusion filters, Tiffen Black Satin and Tiffen Black Pro Mist using the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema 4K and a variety of lenses.
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00:00 Intro
01:42 Sponsor
02:54 Circular vs 4x5.65
04:20 What Do Diffusion Filters Do?
05:56 Black Pro Mist
08:22 When Should You Use Pro Mist?
09:27 Black Satin
11:55 When Should You Use Black Satin?
12:18 Black Pro Mist vs Black Satin
14:00 Wrapping Up
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@matthewmaccarthy8542 3 года назад

For anyone who is interested; When Tiffen created Pro Mist Filters they created the different strengths in order to provide a consistent level of filtration across the range of focal length lenses because the filtration effect increases as the focal length of the lens becomes more telephoto. A 1/4 pro mist (black or white) will be much stronger on a 85mm lens than it will be on a 25mm lens. A common formula for using Pro Mist Filters is 1/2 Promist for 18mm and wider, the 1/4 Pro Mist for 25mm - 35mm lenses, and 1/8 for 50mm and above. This principle applies to all diffusion filters. I hope this is information is useful.

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Dang. I had no clue about that (clearly). Really good information :) I'm actually going to pin this comment so thank you for sharing.

@matthewmaccarthy8542 3 года назад

@@joenicklo 🙏

@vicenteromero6946 3 года назад

@@matthewmaccarthy8542 thanks for the clarification, in the case of aps-c we would have to make the conversion 85 to 56mm?

@matthewmaccarthy8542 3 года назад

@@vicenteromero6946 the only "rule" I would recommend is to decrease the strength of the filtration as the focal length of the lenses get longer. But as for how the intensity of the filtration is affected by the size of the sensor I am not certain. I can see it how it would be though. I only ever used pro-mist filter when shooting 35mm film which I believe is similar in size to aps-c sensors. I would just do lots of testing. I hope this helps.

@vicenteromero6946 3 года назад

@@matthewmaccarthy8542 thank you so much!

@freshmas 3 года назад

This is a really helpful video. Thank you for breaking it down so cleanly. Great job!

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Thanks brother!

@pixelifestudio 3 года назад

A really well done comparison of the filters. It is hard to actually find anything that shows the strength of each filter and the impact they have on footage - let alone compare it to a secondary filter. Nice work, and thank you.

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Thanks bro. I'm going to be posting a video of JUST the footage later this week so that people who don't want to here my blabbering can just watch it.

@ChrisFranklinJr 3 года назад

Filters have become such a big part of my daily film life! Really looking forward to getting more soon!

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Which ones are you going to get? I'm looking into Glimmer Glass next.

@secretreleases 3 года назад

Probably the best video on this topic! Love your content and presentation!

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Thank you :) glad you liked this one

@joenicklo 3 года назад

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@talktomeormailme 3 года назад

Awesome comparison and to the point. Loved it!!

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Glad you liked it!

@Zainphotography 3 года назад

Thank you for taking time out and making this incredible video. Wish you all the best :-)

@joenicklo 3 года назад

No problem, thanks for watching

@YourStoryStudios 3 года назад

I've just purchased the black pro mist 1/8 and will be using that on my next few videos. The 1/4 looks good too and might be a possible future purchase!

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Let me know what you think of it when you’ve tested it out

@timschooler Год назад

Great comparison! I have watched a number of RU-vid videos on the Pro Mist filters. I think like so many things it’s subjective. 1/8 looks just right, but once you get to 1/2 it starts to become mush. The contrast or lack of it in the lighting will of course make a difference as well.

@joenicklo Год назад

someone else pointed out in the comments that the different strengths are also meant for different focal lengths. for example, a 1/2 strength will look much differently on a 35mm than an 85mm. I should do a video on that...

@eskapone 3 года назад

Great video bro, definitely worth watching 👊🏾💯💯💯

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Appreciate that

@nicefish10 3 года назад

How can 3 people dislike this video? Great content. Keep it coming!

@joenicklo 3 года назад

I’ll just have to do better next time for them ;)

@dondouglas3673 3 года назад

I like the video very clear and didactic. Thank you !!!

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Thank you!

@djrt8179 Год назад

Thank you! Helped me make my decision for the Black Satin 1/2. Just needed something to diffuse skin texture in studio.

@joenicklo Год назад

Glad I could help

@terriblehans 3 года назад

Small a mount of subscribers but alot of very very good content! No boring video at all! You got a New subscriber and congratulations for this amazing content! Keep going! Cheers from Guatemala

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Just got to keep the grind going!

@NewLayer 3 года назад

Bro, California is a two-consent state! But really, this video was sooo helpful. I was on the fence about 1/8 and 1/4 pro mist, but this makes the decision for 1/4 easy for me. Even the 1/2 looks damn good while still remaining "transparent" in some of the shots.

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Glad it could help you decide man. Cant wait to see what you put out with it.

@ChrisFranklinJr 3 года назад

Excellent video!! Well done!

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Thanks Chris! Hope you're well dude.

@filmmassa 3 года назад

Very nice Sir, been looking for this kind of direct comparison. Subscribed.

@joenicklo 2 года назад

Glad I could help.

@thokeJackass 3 года назад

Great review! First time I watch your videoes, really well done and in depth. Just got a ursa mini 4.6k, got me a pro mist 1/1 after this

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Heck yeah! How are you liking your Ursa?

@divil2273 3 года назад

That sponsor ad haha, love you both

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Haha! Glad you liked it ;) I couldn't stop laughing when I was cutting J.T.'s footage.

@Atacama87103 3 года назад

This video was very useful. I'm going with the Pro Mist 1/4 as I find it to be just the right amount to compliment the scene while keeping subtle at the same time. thanks for the help.

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Glad it was helpful! Feel free to share your work with the Pro Mist on the Driven Films Discord server :)

@quartzHUN 3 года назад

It's a great comparison. I would see more comparison of filtres with black and white skin tones as well if I could ask so. I really appreciate you to do these videos.

@joenicklo 3 года назад

The next time I do a filter test I’ll definitely do my best to work in different color skin tones.

@3rdpedalvideos894 3 года назад

Awesome video with good info. I didn't know about any of this.

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Glad it was helpful!

@collinausbury 3 года назад

Very well made, my friend!

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Thank you very much!

@joaquimramis4124 2 года назад

Cool! I see, black promist is good for 1 filter only (low strength), but black satin works better in a set of filters and pro use!

@lucasbarros4020 3 года назад

Love your videos bro!

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Thanks!

@christinebarton4192 3 года назад

So glad I subscribe to your channel, very helpful as always... a little advice..... Don’t answer your phone haha . I must say I’m glad you did the ungraded shots. Keep all your videos coming it helps tremendously!

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Thanks! J.T always calls me for gear....

@kierankenny 3 года назад

Really good video. I've watched a lot comparisons for pro mist filters prior to purchase, but few compare to this. 👍

@joenicklo 2 года назад

Appreciate you watching. TY for the feedback.

@geraldfrancke9439 3 года назад

Great video! You had one shot with the sirui anamorphic lens. Do you think it is compatible with the BPM filter? How does this filter affect the anamorphic lens flares in particular since I heard that pointing the filter into a direct light source can ruin the picture. Thanks.

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Thanks! In the example footage you can see that the BPM didn't screw with the flares much, in fact it softened them a bit.

@BradyBessette 3 года назад

This is exactly the video I had planned for next week nooooooo 😂😂 keep it up though I love it

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Gotta be quick!!! ;)

@Sethmotley 2 года назад

I really love your videos they ate very informative.

@joenicklo Год назад

Thank you!

@aestevesdesign 2 года назад

Very good video! Thanks!

@FKfilmphotography 3 года назад

The filter worked wonders on her skin. I love my promist 1/4

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Definitely. It did it's job well. To be fair, her skin looks great in person. The Sigma Art lenses are just so dang sharp! It accentuates blemishes IMO.

@Stesalti Год назад

Ty great video.

@joenicklo Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@Stesalti Год назад

@@joenicklo is it right to think that pro mist is more suitable for videos and satin for photographic portraits?

@brokernaples 3 года назад

nicely done, very well explained.

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Thank you!

@902MediaUK 3 года назад

Hey man, thanks for this great video, great content always. On 4:30 you showed your Helios-44 58mm f2 shot and I was wondering what adaptor you use for it on the Pocket 4K? I just got my Helios on amazon for £65 + £4 shipping. Let me know what adapter you use. Thanks in advance for getting back to me on this.

@joenicklo 3 года назад

When I bought the Helios it came with an EF mount. I bought it off of one of my Discord community members.

@williamhundley6536 3 года назад

I love your videos! Your info is very helpful! I'm a beginning film creator and just learning about using filters. I am trying to decide on my first decent camera. I am planning to film moving cars from a handheld camera from a tandem vehicle. I'd like your opinion of the Lumix G85. I've heard that it has good stabilization, but not great auto-focus. Would you recommend it? Thank you!

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Hi William, glad you liked the video. The G85 is a very capable camera, especially when paired with a decent lens. When doing car-to-car shots, I highly suggest a gimbal, even if it's a starter gimbal. Shooting video handheld from a car to another car is going to result in pretty shaky footage, even with stabilization.

@williamhundley6536 3 года назад

@@joenicklo That sounds like great advice! Thanks so much!!

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Make sure you watch my video on filming cars too!

@williamhundley6536 3 года назад

@@joenicklo absolutely! Thanks!

@paulchaumont7473 2 года назад

Thanks !

@TimandLauren 3 года назад

Hey Driven, I am looking for a filter that doesnt do too much halation but also provides that softer look Would you recommend the Black satin 2 or the Hollywood Black magic filteer 1/4 for this? I have the black pro misst 1/8 and not happy with it, but any insight would help brotha

@joenicklo 3 года назад

The Black Satin is going to have a more subtle look than Pro Mist. I'd take a good look at the comparisons to see which you'd like.

@sigvardbjorkman 3 года назад

Is there any way to get a Tiffen Black ProMist filter on an Irix 15mm 2.4 with a 95mm filter thread to keep a small profile of the setup? Tiffen here don't sell the size 95mm unfortunately... The Irix also has a rear gel filter holde however, so is it possible to use that slot instead maybe? To somehow cut a small filter to size and have it at the rear of the Irix? I will also use a Speedbooster and is there alternatively a possibility to put a filter in there somehow instead? I wish to keep a small profile to my camera setup with a wide angle lens like this but still have a Tiffen Black ProMist filter on it. Any thoughts?

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Your best bet may be to get a filter holder or small matte box and buy a 4x4 filter. I wouldn't mess with cutting glass.

@HerbyFL34 Год назад

What setting did you in you bmpcc 4 for film shoot ?

@joenicklo Год назад

Depends what I’m shooting.

@filmyardart 2 года назад

Great content I would luv to see haze or smoque filter tested by u

@joenicklo 2 года назад

Good call. I've got a Smoque filter in my amazon cart ;)

@jamesshort6856 3 года назад

Hahaha that sponsor slot. Best cross over ever.

@joenicklo 3 года назад

J.T carried the weight big time there!

@azlanarainkhan4549 3 года назад

Great knowledge ji, I like your video.

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Many many thanks

@premiumparis 3 года назад

Well made bro

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Thanks!

@potatoface4698 3 года назад

8:00 i have the same X-Rite Color Checker which i use on every shoot. Another YT filmmaker recently told me "they're pointless and never used on pro sets", and he also said they don't help get more accurate colors only white balance. Lmfao. I shoot multicam with BMPCC 6k's and lots of chromakey and the color checker is invaluable and saves hella time in post

@joenicklo 3 года назад

I'll admit, I don't use mine on every shoot, let alone every shot. If I've got a lot of time to setup....sure I'll use it. But, I wouldn't call me a "YT filmmaker" ;)

@potatoface4698 3 года назад

@@joenicklo i find it helpful for matching color across setups and locations to maintain consistency within a video series. I only use it for the first shot in a location unless the light temperature changes. I'm a full-time producer for a large university and film online certification courses. I haven't used a color checker on a feature or doc yet but I'll probably use one in the future.

@BradyBessette 3 года назад

I didn’t know you’re in west palm!!

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Yep! :) You?

@AndyLSB 3 года назад

awesome video and explanation ! oh and btw, you forgot the discord link, i want to join !

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Hi! Glad you enjoyed the video. I added the discord link :)

@hampusnilsson2389 3 года назад

Great video! This makes it even harder for me to choose strength though, haha!

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Have you decided yet?

@hampusnilsson2389 3 года назад

@@joenicklo I was struggling to choose between Pro Mist 1/4 and 1/8 for stills. Now you've added Black Satin to the mix as well. In some examples I see I feel the 1/4 Pro Mist comes of a bit too strong. On the other hand I'm wondering if the 1/8 might not even make a noticeable difference sometimes.

@joenicklo 3 года назад

@@hampusnilsson2389 It definitely depends on the situation. If you can spring for an 1/8 and 1/4 circular I'd do it.

@ShellyBHollis 3 года назад

great video

@joenicklo 2 года назад

Thanks for the visit

@jamesshort6856 3 года назад

I think 1/2 is as high as I would go. I think I'm gonna need yo grap a few

@joenicklo 3 года назад

I'd pickup 1/4 and 1/2 in Black Pro Mist and a 1/2 and 1 in Black Satin, however I'd really like to try out the higher strengths of Black Satin to see how they perform. I'm talking the 2-5.

@LeluDa11asMultipass 3 года назад

I just bought the #2 purely for night shots, and it's intense. Definitely has a horror vibe if you're shooting video.

@MrVh78 3 года назад

@@joenicklo I shoot satin 3, looks great! organic and natural

@MrVh78 3 года назад

Satin filters in fraction dont work much, I use 2 or 3 and I get a good effect, very true film like ( I've shot on film several times before)

@Always1Ambitious 3 года назад

Agree. The blooming is pretty much the same with the satin filters. The only difference in strength is the softness and smoothing. I prefer the satin 1/2 for portraits

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Exactly! Black Satin is heavily underrated. I wanted to show people the difference between BPM and BS filters to give folks an idea of what to expect from different strengths.

@joenicklo 3 года назад

I'd love to try out a 2+ Black Satin. If I start shooting more portrait/beauty work I'll definitely be investing in one.

@TrapBoiFuse561 3 года назад

Film I’m looking for that future look 👀 8k look lol

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Have fun playing it back on your non-existent 8k tv

@TrapBoiFuse561 3 года назад

@@joenicklo you ever go back see them old RU-vid video made 10 years ago. Bet they wish it was recorded 4K then

@mohdfirdaus9050 3 года назад

Will you be doing comparison on Tiffen Glimmerglass?

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Maybe down the line. Right now I've got so many videos lined up.

@Narsuitus 2 года назад

I use Tiffen Black Pro Mist diffusion filters on my portrait lenses to soften wrinkles, spots, pores, blemishes, and other skin defects. Thanks for the comparisons.

@joenicklo 2 года назад

You're welcome, thanks for watching.

@castielvargastv7931 2 года назад

I like the none filter look much more. Filter shots always look like the camera is slightly out of focus or bot sharp. I wanna see details not a blurry mess, black satin to me looks much better than pro mist tough

@joenicklo 2 года назад

I actually like Black Satin quite a bit. To me, a little bit of diffusion goes a long way.

@awsjaff 3 года назад

Big like 👍

@SimoBenziane 3 года назад

Thank you for the test, but I found the ungraded shots unnecessary for this video. I hope you can take good criticism, as I love you content. I'm glad you chose the thumbnail I voted for on fb 😅

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Hi Mohammed, thanks for checking out the review. I think that showing ungraded shots helped to show people what the filters truly do to your footage. A lot of times, people who example footage but no one really knows what went into the correction and grading process.

@SimoBenziane 3 года назад

@@joenicklo I hope you actually did some market research, but still why would YOU want to see the ungraded difference? You can just transform it to a rec. 709 with no creative look, but ungraded 😕 I can't find a reason why would anyone want that. Good luck

@joenicklo 3 года назад

@@SimoBenziane Thanks for your feedback. Personally, I want to see the Before & After.

@martinmac6563 3 года назад

I'm with driven films. To appreciate a difference you need to see the base ungraded clip. and whether you want it or not i think you'll find alot of 'OTHER' people will appreciate it

@joenicklo 3 года назад

👍🏻👍🏻

@p3rrypm 3 года назад

Okay, I’m confused by this... Maybe a before an after would help with a comparison.

@joenicklo 3 года назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wrDdkofxURg.html - I show the shots with no filter.

@Notmy00000 2 года назад

🙏🙏🙏🙏👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

@yophyfilters 2 года назад

Hey man, I a producer for cine filter, and I do many diffusion filters,like the Pearlescent/Glimmer Glass/Digital Diffusion/TOBACCO/Antique Suede, and so on , totally 17 kinds of diffusion filters . Are you interested in talk with me ?

@joenicklo Год назад

You can email me at drivenfilms.joe (at) gmail (dot) com

@fiszu4075 Год назад

I think you forgot a grading step in 1:51 :)

@joenicklo Год назад

What?

@fiszu4075 Год назад

@@joenicklo just compare 1:51 to 5 seconds earlier and you'll understand :)

@bmefilms6879 3 года назад

0:36 and this is why gen 5 should be used?

@joenicklo 3 года назад

Agreed, but I haven't updated Resolve yet. I have too much client work to risk the instability on a beta version of a software that is already kinda unreliable as it is. Know what I mean?

@bmefilms6879 3 года назад

@@joenicklo nope. that red problem jumps out like an eye sore. when you see the difference you'll kick yourself later for not doing it sooner. there is something so pleasing about the gen 5 not just the red channel.

@joenicklo 3 года назад

@@bmefilms6879 The gen 5 is JUST from switching to the new version of Resolve right? Are you running it on a PC or Mac? I'm on a custom built PC with two GeForce GTX 1080ti and I kid you not....Resolve is so temperamental when it comes to these GPU's. I switch to my laptop (1660ti + Ryzen 7) and Resolve rarely if ever crashes. That being said, I'm excited to try Gen 5 out....I'll probably do it on my laptop. Good suggestion man.

@bmefilms6879 3 года назад

@@joenicklo yes! Mac.

@joenicklo 3 года назад

@@bmefilms6879 That explains it. Resolve runs amazing on Mac OS. I'm so cautious on Windows man.