Why you SHOULDN’T go to graduate school! 

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(Pretty Soon) McDonald's shift leader requirements: - Entry level (Recent graduate of accredited college or university) - 10+ years of experience required (Knowledge of Python, Machine Learning, etc. is a plus) - Masters Degree required; PhD preferred

That moment when looking into higher education is a gamble instead of an investment- welcome to America!

Got my bachelors in psychology, I have a career thank God but it has nothing to do with psychology. In the interview they said “Psychology? You must be good with people.” And I was like “Yeah, yeah Absolutely, please think that.”

pro-tip since I'm a mechanical engineer with a master's degree: go wherever is cheapest so long as it's accredited. i don't care if you get into every ivy league. are they cheaper than your state school? or will somewhere else give you a full ride? go there. companies don't care. if you want to get noticed, then join clubs, societies, work on projects, focus on your grades, and make sure to get internships. that will stand out way more. don't get a graduate degree if you can't immediately pay for it. between internships, assistantships, and a job in my undergraduate, plus working extra to graduate in 3.5 years not 4, so that i could be done with my both my masters and undergrad degree in 5, I have NO debt. also don't plan on getting a masters immediately. you shouldn't be a freshman thinking "i'm going to get my masters". I didn't decide until the very last minute, after spending ages scoping out the job market between projects and internships. For me, that 1.5 extra years of school for a guaranteed $15k pay increase, which was greater than the tuition price for those 1.5 years, pays off. If you're going to pay $75k for a degree with no way to immediately pay it off for a $15k pay increase, then maybe you should start questioning that decision. if you're set on getting a masters for professional development but you do not have the ability to pay as you go, work through the job market and find companies which will pay for those programs for you (because many will). consider why you're getting a graduate degree. in engineering, a masters will get you a massive pay boost. a phd will not net much more over that, at least in the commercial industry. if you have a very specific interest, and you want to work in a national lab for example, then a PhD will be worth it. Otherwise, save the cash, and stick with the masters.

Sorry I don't sugar coat the truth.. Now all I ask in return is you tap the like button, Thank you! 😁 Edit: Many PhD programs are fully funded. NCES shows that the average PhD graduated with around $100k in debt, a lot of this debt is from undergraduate loans + interest. www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_tub.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjc873R2bXrAhULu54KHdqEBksQFjADegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw1PzXKxP41IG4mdjQ8TFgcV

How about you get Experience, a Bachelor, more experience...more experience AND then a Master's while getting more experience? The mistake a lot of younger folks today make is the fact that they think getting a Grad degree right after a bachelor would get them somewhere...that's not how that works. Masters exists to compliment what you are already doing. It prepares you to get to the next level in your career, not make your career. Just saying.

One of the realest RU-vidrs out there. You actually helped me dodge a bullet when it came to picking a major. I originally majored in Psych, but after looking at the poor statistics, I decided to choose Computer Science because of my interest in computers. Thanks!

In the 90's you could just graduate with a high school diploma and get a accounting job however in the 2010's degrees were the new hot thing and now we're moving up the chain

You should make a video on PhDs in specifically STEM fields as many of those are either funded by the government or by the school and some actually pay you to cover living costs.

My mom has worked in universities in the US and here in South Africa and she said exactly what you said about getting a masters and a PHD for a degree that isn't in demand.

Luckily, I dropped out of graduate school, not pursuing a worthless degree that will be hard to find jobs in the field. I made the right choice of dropping out, or else I'll be in 35k debt considered this time be my third semester.

Shane spittin tha truth. My company paying for my grad degree tho

That Data is really scary, dont be part of that data about debts. Think wisely people!

This video is what needs shown instead of the education they require now to take out a student loan. Great video! I graduated as a nurse debt free and couldn’t be happier about picking a community college. I explain this to all of my younger cousins.

The truth about MBA and engineering grad school 1.If you majored in business,you can't go into engineering grad school 2.If you majored in engineering,you are more likely to get MBA than business majors....

In Brazil, graduate courses are free (Both masters and phd). There is also possibility to afford funding to daily expenses. The prices for education in USA are insane.

The only problem with this is that people often like to pretend that there's some alternative. As in, "don't go to grad school! You could be earning money!" But the question is, *how*? If working in a call center for life is acceptable to you, be my guest.

man, the thing is, there's a ton of jobs that require a bachelor's in ANYTHING, that you cannot do until you get one. I am at a point where all my friends have degrees, are onto grad school, making at least 25 an hour, and I have no degree and all I can do is work whatever job. If I had finished a bachelor's in LITERALLY anything I would be much better off. My buddy has a bachelor's and psych and she worked for a non profit before getting a master's, and trust me, she's doing better than my permanently injured manual laborer ass.

If you do a PhD in STEM, your tuition is paid, you get a stipend, and health insurance, and you can defer your undergrad student loans so the subsidized ones don't acure interest. If you don't finish, usually you'll have done enough to get a Masters and still won't have paid. Also you can choose your advisor. You don't have to pay tuition if it was waived, even if you don't finish your degree. I feel like you should have said a lot of what you're saying doesn't apply to STEM PhDs

THANK YOU, SHANE. Thank you for working so hard to put out these videos. You always present such solid and useful information!

I have a bachelors in Marketing and I decided to go back to get my masters in either data analytics or management information systems. From the curriculum that I have seen so far, it seems that the skills that you get in grad school are so much more applicable than undergrad. Definitely depends on the major because a masters can be unnecessary in some fields.

I’m currently a nurse and my parents are trying to push me to go to NP school even though I’ve only been a nurse for a year. Also I have absolutely no interest in being an NP. The next time they bring up the topic, I’ll show them this video.

Really agree with the statement that medical degrees are overrated. My cousin is like 30 years old and she either is still doing her residency or she just started working. I go to a medical magnet high school and I feel like so many people around me are overestimating themselves or underestimating the process

It's something I noticed in engineering as well. Someone with a masters does get rewarded for it by starting at the next tier by having their degree recognized as an extra two years of experience. The only problem though is that the person with the bachelors started at least 2 years before the master's degree person did so all the master's degree person did was just "catch up." Although at least in engineering, you won't have any student debt specifically from your graduate degree as most universities have graduate students doing research which pays for the degrees and living expenses.

Thanks Shane you’ve helped me a lot. I’d probably enrolling in a psychology degree right now. Instead I’ve now enrolled into Occupational Therapy! These videos are so helpful

Woah just when I have my mind set on something, you can always provide the good info to make me think about. I am currently going for a computer engineering degree with a physics minor and thought about a master's in electrical engineering but this info may help me rethink things. Previouly I had even thought about double majoring (I think I commented this previously in another one of your videos), but with these videos, you are really saving me here. Thanks!

Computer science: masters Vs certifications which one? Imo certification is concentrated, skill/practical oriented and you can skill up with time

Laughs in this is why I want to study masters in another country where my tuition fees and two years of living expenses is still cheaper than the total of my bachelor's degree

The best youtube channel imo, just the amount of research and investment of your time to make this video really impresses me.

I didn’t want to believe the student Loan debt until I actually looked it up that right there is Insane

Getting a graduate certificate from my state college with company reimbursement that will help me in my current job. Will only cost about $8k. Not committing to the full degree and costs less so this is a nice option to consider.

To be honest I feel like doing those entry level jobs and internships is much better than going for a grad degree, experience makes you more marketable

I was told that if you ever pay for your graduate degree, then you are doing it wrong. I live by that. I think this is a great video, but I also think it's very difficult to just lump graduate degrees into one group. All grad degrees were not created equal and I believe it depends on the field. For example, neuroscience is a hot field right now, and every single neuroscience phd program I've seen, waives tuition and fees, pays a stipend, and usually includes perks like medical insurance for every student. No debt involved. Humanities grad students are more likely to go into debt than someone in science (atleast neuroscience, since this is my field.) Also, it takes a lot less longer for science phds to finish (average is 5 years) than humanities. A second point is that funding, time to degree is highly influenced by the individual, institution, and the person's advisor. For example, Northwestern told me that all grad students have stipends, no tuition, health insurance, bla bla. No matter the field. Even if this isn't the case, I know alot of Humanity's grad students who are fully funded (funding is just more competitive and less common than in the sciences.) Also, generally master's degrees are less funded than phds. So more debt involved. As you probably know, time to degree is highly dependent on the advisor. Some advisors/thesis committees will hold a student for 7 years, some for 4. It is highly dependent on their satisfaction with a student's performance. In the sciences, I've never heard of a student taking more than 5 years consecutively. 6 years maybe. There are some weird cases like a 5th year student having to start over the research portion of her PhD because of advisor issues. So she found a new advisor. This adds on maybe 2 or 3 more years. The age at graduation can vary quite a bit also. One does not have to complete a master's degree to go into a phd. And if you did, sometimes it can shave off the coursework portion of your phd. So theoretically, it could take 2 years depending on whether or not your courses will transfer to the new institution. I've seen that happen a lot. Overall, I'm just trying to say that it is very hard to generalize grad degrees due to field, institution, individual, and advisor differences.

The issue is going to grad school unfunded. My PhD professor got his doctorate fully funded by being a TA/RA and has emphasized to never pay for grad school if you don't have to.

If you have bad luck and graduate in a recession, however, sometimes you might not even have a realistic choice.

To each their own. When all is said and done, there will still be people applying to colleges and graduate programs. People who think it is a waste of time is simply making space for people who think it is worth it. There will be people who've always wanted a doctorate degree and will work hard to achieve it come hell or high water. There will also be people who prefer to go the other route, skipping the college option and living their best lives. There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so. Good content and breakdown for ONE way of thinking.

My man, can you speak about Risk management.

This was super helpful. I jut graduated and have been getting the urge to go get a master’s degree. I had no idea about a lot of this, thank you!

Ironically enough, I was watching a Dave Ramsey segment where this guy was over $380k in debt trying to get a PhD in organizational leadership thinking that would lead him to becoming a CEO. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

I graduated with an MSW on May 5, 2021. I didn’t wanna go to grad school but since I’m in social work I needed a Masters. I knew student loans was messier the undergrad, them grad plus loans is insane. I don’t have any worries in my job salaries, Some agencies has loan forgiveness, and different programs to help pay loans. I wish people the best on the their careers and hopefully find wealth to help pay loans and other cost. Good video.

i want a masters in physics but wow this video opened my eyes a lot

I joined air force, and started college at 22 and in two months I knocked out 45 credits. So now after 2 months of college I'm officially finished with about 3 years of college, im 36 away from my degree in business admin information system technology. My miltary knocked out a year of college from training. And going for my masters using TA and aiming to get my masters in business by age of 26 or so, and ill have bacehlors by 23 or so. And it will all be free which is great and ill either do 20 with a masters or do 6 years of miltary with a masters

Wow, what an informative video. I am on my way to graduate school for OT and I am super nervous...... mainly because of the student loans. 🤔😱

That's why I didn't go for my MBA. The debt isn't worth it. Cash is certain, jobs are not.

Quality content from yours truly, Shane Hummus. Thanks!

Given the economic situation, I think a lot more students or people deciding if they want to go back to school to get better income like me, I don't want not to get rich but live financially comfortable, online colleges are going to be in greater demand.

Wait why do Americans take so much longer to finish their stuff? My bachelors, was 3 years. Masters will be one year, and the average PHd is 4 years.

I see how you feel about going to grad school with a useless degree. But what about going to grad school for a career where it's required? Such as LSP, OT, PT, ect.

Can you please do a video for MBA’s, Masters in MIS, CIS, etc.

I just started my Masters due to the fact that I know people with only bachlors degrees that had to go back to school to get a masters because they were fired and could not find anything.

Could you maybe talk about careers and degrees in Public Health and Health Administration?

Thanks for the advice Shane! I got my biology degree and was premed but now I'm switching to epidemiology/hospital management/Infection prevention. I'm VERY lucky my total cost for my grad program is about 20K and I can pay for it while I am working at a hospital 😁

WHO EDIT YOUR VIDEO?! THEY ARE AMAZING!!!! I WANT TO LEARN HOW TO EDIT LIKE THIS😭

Luckily my job offers me tuition reimbursement, I am half way done with my Masters and will not pay a dollar out of pocket

I'm 24 and about to graduate with a psychology bachelors (started late). But I think I made a mistake with what I chose to major in and now I feel stuck. Especially with everyone saying I need to go to graduate school for psych.

It’s often funny how the concept of going to college guarantees one’s success. Weird how some of us have still adapted to that.

But wait....didn’t he go to grad school for pharmacy?

Hey Shane, I was wondering if you could make a video about the difference between an MBA and a Master in Management (which is really common in Europe, but less common in the US). I know that also in the US is becoming a little more known. Cheers man love the videos ✌🏻

Amazing video Shane! Keep up the outstanding work!

I'm a little confused about the PhD debt when it is technically free, you don't have to pay for tuition. It seems like a lot of people go to bad PhD programs under the promise of a better job without understanding the system. General advice for those considering PhD, if you have to pay for it, then the program is automatically bad. PhD student is actually a job (research assistant); you do not pay the school for it to give you a job, the school pays you.

Everytime I see these, I get scared, but then I remember that a Physician Assistant is the fastest growing career in the US,

Holy shhhhht.. Thanks for making this video bro! We dont hear this a lot on RU-vid.

Thank you for the video(s). Yes, I want to be a social scientist so it is my passion to pursue sociology degree. And I think university is full of people expecting to get a "normal job" (job that can be pursued via experience or training). From my perspective, these people make us harder to follow our passion as they become our competitor and change the students culture within the faculty. Sorry for bad english, not fluent here.

I definitely think your negative view about graduate studies reflects feelings of many students who've spent a whole lot of time in grad school but coming up not earning much or even finding it hard to get a job. For me I think grad school has been a tremendous enriching experience, not just on academic aspect, but many others that shape my intellectual and independent thinking skills. Perhaps I could say that as I never paid a penny for my grad school - I, as an international student, received full scholarships for all my studies with basically relatively high stipends. All in all I am forever grateful for that even though currently I'm doing something that totally different from what I was trained for 7 years.

watching this while in grad school. i dont have debt tho

"If I want to travel the world, if I want to start a business, I want to do it while I'm still young and healthy enough to enjoy it." Amen. The winter of life comes swiftly.

Wow, I can't believe most of these are about money. My country pays for every citizen's university tuition fees if we want to go, so this really surprised me as to how much of a business it seems to be in America. (Don't get me wrong, it's definitely still a business in my country too, but the universities mostly make their money off the students in accommodation)

Paying for grad school out of pocket. I am thankful that the school I go too have good military rates.

I feel like I kinda have to get a masters degree since I took a bad major for undergrad. I'm looking to get a masters in social work so I can work as a psychologist/therapist.

I got an MS in IT with the concentration in Cybersecurity and I haven't got an offer. The only thing that I am short is with the experience and few certifications. Honestly, the last thing I would go is to go for a trade. Other than that, I got nothing else to offer.

I feel as though if you're gun with networking early on in your degree then you can by the end get a job without a master's. The reason why people do medicine, masters and phds however isn't just for money and a job... often it's the contribution to the body of knowledge (like cancer research, imagine helping find a cure) and maybe it does compliment that individuals goals and if they're realistic with their end job they likely will make alot of money. It's about networking as you go and alot of people who do higher level education have the smarts to apply for and successfully gain scholarships... It's also about learning too. But also taking what is learnt back into your community which helps everyone.

Thank you so much! You help me with decision making, and hopefully many people will avoid mistakes by watching your videos

Great video Shane! Question: I’m a Junior in my current major but I wish I majored in Nursing instead. Right now, I’m torn between doing a direct entry Masters in Nursing (which accepts any major as long as they have the necessary prerequisites completed) or an accelerated bachelors in Nursing. Which do you think would be the better option? Keep up the great work!!

My only disagreement is that I need a master's degree in my state inorder to practice in the field I want. Which is a great field. Also alot of the jobs your talking about are very needed jobs. There's a shortage of professionals in these fields

I’m just saying trades are pretty great and not talked about enough as a career option in high schools. Community colleges and tech schools should be more highly considered.

I recommend separating STEM from liberal arts before you compute value added per degree; they have very different distributions. But then again most STEM bachelor's lead to employment, so they do not apply to your scenario.

I want to Major in Finance or Mathematics and I plan on taking extra classes in things like accounting and other useful things. Do you think it is worth it getting MBA since I want to work in management in my field and explore other entrepreneurial opportunities especially considering where I'm from the MBA is only an additional 1 year also what do you think I should choose finance and mathematics or finance and accountng

Ut 30,000 for undergrad total PhD pays around 15000-30000 depending on the Institution. PHd summer internship pays around 10000 to 35000 depending on major. This is the Math I’m looking at as someone studying something practical. Hearing things like the average PhD is in debt 100k kinda blows my mind cause we have literally so many ways to make class affordable...

My friend at the moment is having a hard time deciding. He’s got a Bachelors in Business and wants to do either Computer Science or IT. Should he do another Bachelor or do a Masters?

Another problem is that many people choose the wrong major when going to College or University somewhere in the USA and Canada.

I remember back in the "day," you were "invited" to attend college. Now, anyone can go. . . You most probably are going to be the minority in a high paying salary: from any degree. Just look at Linkin. Life is cruel. Listen and learn. If you really look at the job market MOST ppl get their foot in the door because they know "someone," not solely the education they've earned. Also, ppl have attain a lifetime career because they most probably have ppl intelligence.(what I've seen only my opinion) Let's not exclude the ppl who will never have to work for someone.... those are true geniuses..again my opinion. "A" Students work for the "B" students...facts. I've seen some real idiots in Higher Education.

Don't know what you are talking about, but most STEM graduate level degrees are free (tuition waiver and stipend).

This is vitally important information. Glad I found your channel, Shane. Great work !

1:02-1:03 Hi Shane, You make some good points in your video. I personally feel that graduate degrees in professional areas may improve your job prospects and get some decent return on investment. (eg. Law schools might pay off, but an MA in Political Science might not.) With prospects to 'useless' degrees, given the system of higher education today it may seem completely rational for someone to dismiss degrees in non-technical areas such as Political Science, Biology, History, etc. but if you learnt 'soft' tech skills such as basic programming, accounting, excel, etc. as minors and had a great resume filled with internships and relevant work experience you can probably find a job. It's not easy, but its possible. Trying to make everyone be in useful majors is not a good idea. We all have our own talents and capabilities.

Hey Shane, I hope you’re doing well. What are your thoughts on a masters in social work?

I would say it´s worth it if the University pays you a monthly stipend and also you get tuition waiver. That would mean no debt. Otherwise do not go to grad school.

Chem PhD student here. In the US, we all get paid to go to grad school. It's not much, probably similar to what a new high school teacher would make, but it's enough to live and not go into debt.

2:51 That picture made me laugh too much 😂😂

Student loan debt is out of control because the federal government guarantees Sallie Mae. On the flip side, if you should reach retirenent and not have paid it all off, the Feds can garnish your Social Security (currently limited to you still getting $750/mo.).

Sometimes a down economy is the time to get the Masters degree. You have the time to study.

Shane - OMG does this hit home. I have two friends who both went back for doctorates later in life. The first one worked at a professor at a local university, she didn't get any kind of raise for over a decade, didn't get tenure, and got pushed out at age 62. She's since found out that she's overqualified as you say for all the positions she's attempted to get, and probably a little age discrimination as well. She's shared several times that she wishes she'd have stayed with the private company with her bachelors instead of chasing degrees and working at a university. The other lady is mid-50's, went into psychology, her bachelor's was pretty much useless, she went after a masters to become a counselor, accumulated a bunch of debt, and then they convinced her that she needs to have a phd. I'm afraid to ask her how much debt she's accumulated, she is always broke, stressed to the point that it affects her health. I feel really bad for her. The last time I talked to her about it, she's being encouraged to chase a different doctoral degree. Some in academia have no morals the way they encourage people to get into debt. (Almost like talking to a timeshare salesman.) As you noted, if you have a good plan to make use of a masters/doctoral degree, then it can be a great thing. My neighbor's granddaughter is a beast when it comes to study, and she got a job with a firm that is paying for her MBA; she has to agree not to quit for some years after she graduates... In this day and age, what a deal! They've invested in her, so she'll probably be one of the last to be laid off when times are tough, as long as she is a good worker. Thanks for posting this. I feel like I'm writing a novel now, so I'll quit. At some point, I'll share how my daughter is taking advantage of free junior college and inexpensive degree for her choice of medical career.

Great points in this video. Don't mind if I apply a few of these ideas into a Data Science related video!

I think this is a great video! I should mention that in the biomedical sciences at least, you often get paid to do your doctorate dependent on the school at least in the US (because of the NIH). That is your tuition and most school-associated fees are waived, and you get paid a living stipend. Your salary is not that much and is meant for is living expenses (rent, food, etc.). However, if you have student loan debt from Bachelor or Master degrees, then this arrangement can still be sub-optimal, but at least you'll have the ability to pay your debt potentially. In contrast, you have to pay tuition and school-related fees for Master's degrees in the biomedical sciences and that's how one can really get saddled with debt. You have to pay for your classes and any additional fees. Probably the best approach is going bachelor to doctorate rather than going bachelor -> master -> doctorate. You have to do the same amount of studying, often more for less time but get saddled with way more debt. And you also have to worry about living expenses. Typically, the length of a doctorate is 3-8 years with the length dependent on your research and what kind of research you're doing. Most people at my school get out in 4-5 years (typical). A Master's can get you out in 1-2 years, but many (but not all) doctorate programs can give you a terminal master degree if you drop out of the doctorate program. As a biomedical researcher, you can make a pretty good average salary with the rate being higher in industry and government, which need good background and connections. Academia pays lower as is typical.

I want to share what I feel is a unique perspective coming from my situation. I did online schooling in high school and when I graduated I didn't know what to do for college so I didn't go. I'm 23 just for context. I feel that things have gone okay for me, like I've learned a lot about what I would major in if I did go and I've developed some life experience, skills, and discipline I didn't have at 18. I have a plan for what I will pursue atm, and it doesn't involve college. I have a basic entry-level retail job that pays bills, and lets me save some money although not much. I feel good about my situation for the most part, but I did not anticipate how lonely and isolated I'd be. I know that there are ways to meet people outside of college but at my age range in particular it seems really difficult. Most people I know my age(my coworkers) go to college. It just feels like something that divides me from my peers. People usually befriend and get to know those who they see on a day-to-day basis and whom with they do some thing together, like school. You could say I work with my coworkers, and that that should maybe be a springboard for us to befriend each other, and that sounds true, but it's not working that way. Sharing this job is just not the same as sharing schooling I suppose, like as in it doesn't quite facilitate a friendship as much as the circumstances in college seem to do. What I'm getting at is that I feel like I should go back to college because although I don't feel like it's in my best interest in other ways, it's hard to trudge on during a lot of days where I see couples as young as me or groups of friends in places, or people texting/calling each other. My path is an isolated one. Making friends is hard. I can't just converse with people and hope to initiate something cause for one I don't want to come off the wrong way, like desperate or awkward. A lot of suggestions given to me from Reddit involve joining some meetup group or like a class or going to a bar/club. Maybe it's different elsewhere in the world but I swear all these places recommended to me are attended by older people not in my age range. If there are people there my age they're usually together with some one, while I'm a loner with no one which I can't say will make a good impression although some may not care. Older people are not exactly the type of friendship or God forbid relationship material I'm craving. Dating apps sound like a shithole and I can't say I'm confident in using them to meet someone. I just want to meet people the normal way you meet people in person... But that feels impossible right now. Alas, college inadvertently seems to present itself to me as my way out of this isolation but no just no fuck college is how I otherwise feel about it. I won't stop feeling conflicted until I make some headway so hopefully I'll meet a girl, or make a few friends because spending all your free time alone, as someone who's apparently as young as they're gonna be and is supposed to be having fun times but is actually experiencing the opposite and doesn't know when it'll end, fucking sucks.

As usual, your advice is very useful to the new generations and parents. Please kids listen to this young man. He's totally right. I hate seeing young people wasting their time and money in useless degrees, ending up in low paid jobs and very unhappy. Please study something useful, something that allow you to make a decent living. I'm a retired CPA and MBA; however, my heart is with history, literature, philosophy and the like, subjects I've studied by myself during my free time. I would have never reached the lifestyle I enjoy today and educated my children by pursuing humanities as a career. Sorry to be blunt.

Replacing apprenticeships with degrees is a big part of the problem. Why require a degree if someone who learned on the job does a much better job than a fresh graduate?

Excellent video. This man is speaking the truth.

Very well thought out video and I must admit you really know what you are talking about. I wonder how long it took to get this video done including researching, shooting, speaking, and adding pictures as well as videos. Great video and very informative. Great job Shane.

If degrees in the US is so expensive, why don't people go to Europe where it's way cheaper? For International students it starts from about 9k (3-4 years) eur for undergraduate and 17k eur for postgraduate (1-2 years)