How pity and wishing works in Zenless Zone Zero compared to Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail 📚 Credits VTuber mama: / nastrpank 🌸 Socials Twitch: / kettletoro Twitter: / kettletoro Discord: / discord
@@Shadow82311 Noob is another word/slang for Newb, which is an abbreviated word for Newbie. Newbie is synonymous with newcomer, beginner and novice. I hope you get the point.
@@jrbudoybudoy they did not iirc because it was a separate banner now you could've ignored the beginner banner and pulled standard and they'd count but that'd be a waste
It’s literally the HSR gacha system but with an extra Bangboo banner and the guaranteed S in 50 is included in the Standard banner (I can’t remember if that was the same case in HSR)
@@kaz7690 sr has beginner banner separated from standard and uses 8 normal rolls for 10 pulls like in genshin. finishing 50 pulls (with 40 rolls) guarantees a 5* and removes the banner. dunno if rolling on beginner banner also contributes to the 300 pulls extra character.
Like star rail but with addition of new banner that allows you to pick anything. The only caveat is that the new banner require currency that cannot be bought, which means whale cant abuse it
Its gacha system is the same as HSR, and the game is actually boring as shit. This game will be dead in a month, but most people will quit it after two weeks.
Dude my monitor went crazy today And well it was usable but the game wouldn't launch for me (it would crash at the loading screen after hanging and making some 'Unity' loading screen appear). I tried every possible fix for this but the game just wouldn't launch. What a pity...
Nah I play ZZZ and WuWa😂 ...ZZZ is shit and the story telling were so damn boring asf ...and ohh especially their female characters looks like they got implants surgery @@AespaKatarina
This reminds me of the time HSR came out and people said "It's better than the Genshin one! *Proceeds to describe the Genshin character banner*" like they're all the same, the only difference is the weapon banner, and the 50 and 300 pulls for the standard
@@lonelytac0 You just said the difference between Genshin's and HSR's banner bruh 🙃 Also, HSR's lightcone has 75% chance unlike Genshi's weapon banner that's worse. Genshin and HSR'S banner are different dude, just accept it 😕
@@fischlpfpcausewhynot6107 I said "character banner", the rates and pity are the exact same, the early 5 star, and 5 star of choice are extra stuff, and don't affect the banner itself. Like none of that affects the limited one
It’s exactly the same as hsr except there’s another banner, hsr already implemented 1 weapon 75/25 banners, the beginner banner and a standard banner selector at 300 pulls
Not really because 5* / S ranks reset your 4* / A rank pity which makes getting them more difficult but there are only two 4* rate up per banner for now
@Purp1e_ The issue is no 50/50 is ever removed on anything. That's just straight up false information. There is no 50/50 on standard banner, then she proceeded to talk about 50/50 still existing in this game.
I think Genshin still better, why, because 5050 sytem is makes the players' hearts flutter waiting for the character they want. Remember this quote "Easy to get, easy to forgotten, hard to get, hard to forgotten ".
... So it's the exact same as HSR but the beginner banner now is connected to the standard one with One more banner where you can choose the 5star you want and no 50/50 on it, here you got the entire short in one comment have fun out there
It having a counter is my favorite part. Like the out of times I hade to open the history to count up my pity in Genshin is kinda crazy and I wish they'd implement that (the counter showing on the banner, I mean)
they also give you a 5star selector, and a banner where you can pick what comes out of it. Basically you get 3 of the 5 standardbanner characters, two of which you can select, right out the gate. So you can get verina, get whoever, and still be able to grab your favorite.
@@sensha5470 and, with the rewards you get over mail, you're able to get a hell lot of 4* chars/weapons as well (as long as you created an account during the first few days)
The pulling system is definetly better than Genshin but its practically identical to Star Rail, Bangboo banner aside. As a hardcore Hoyo fan though, Wuwa slightly edges all of them just because the weapon banner has no 50/50.
@@neroxdgaming9362 Yeah, it's great that the passives are also for general use. Often times signature weapons from other gachas only benefit the character it's tied with.
The Bangboo system is just ELFs/AstralOps from HI3rd lol, and those were a luxury, and judging by the looks of bangboo system, it seems they too will be a luxury once you can't get free pulls for its gacha, bc there's already a character banner and a "weapon" banner.
I don't like wuwa's world and designs (basically its artstyle) but I really hope it does well so genshin, HSR and zzz are forced to do stuff like making weapons guaranteed because they are already a waste of resources, not 75/25 and definitely not the 50/50 we have also they should honestly just give players a free standard 5 star per year
@Purp1e_ because its the right thing to do? To call out misinformation? I dunno about you, but if something was false, or the statement is vague, you gotta call that out
@@monochromeink. Yup, HI3 did one thing nice by handing out free S-ranks and often times one or a choice of two S-rank `dated` units before i left it back in 6.4. Still cant match the level of fire that Kurogames is pulling off. Seriously, if the problems that are apparently going on with Zenless are a sign, then im sure plenty are gonna point at Wuthering Waves level of QoL reactionary, even if they are different companies and go freaking AMGRY if all Mihoyo does is give out less then 1/3rd of a pull for multiple game breaking issues and nothing more beyond that. Seriously, Wuwa even before the compensation got dolled out was already giving away a free discounted 5 star (at random) and a 5 star selector of any standard 5 star unit immediately after the discount one as permanent additions period.
The whole time Kettle was talking, I was like “yeah. Cool. Sure. Oh, that’s nice.” Then she said that you can’t by the in game currency with real money, and a horn honked in my head
Yeah it's always funny when they hype stuff like this up while HI3 exists. (And obviously HI3's system isn't perfect but I would argue that it's better than the other systems)
"ZZZ has a unique type of banner!" Hsr Leakers: "Unique For now" (No seriously, Hoyo plz don't drop the ball and make it P2W like in Genshin...) Edit: Okay, Okay I made a mistake. I meant how the *Chronicled Wish* is a "Whale Bait". The fact you can only use Premium currency on a banner of non-limited characters is downright awful. Sure, some people would be excited about it... but come on! At least share the pity between multiple banners if you are going to make us use pulls we could use for the current limited Character. Tl:dr what I wanted to say is = Don't let the new banner use Premium Stellar Tickets/Warps/Gold Tickets. I wasn't talking about genshin as a whole... Genshin is easy. Which is why I stopped playing it.
Genshin certainly benifits Whales by getting OVERpowered Characters faster. But even then, you can't call it "Pay2Win", when with a little dedication and skill, you can "Win" everything the game has to offer without paying a penny. It's "Pay2ProgressFaster", but just objectively not Pay2Win. Unless... you're REALLY, really bad. I could maybe see the arguement for the endgame modes, but these are only for those who want to challenge themselves anyway.
It’s the HSR system, but the 50 discounted pulls for a guaranteed 5 star banner is baked into the standard banner so it counts for the free S rank, of your choice at 300 standard pulls, the agent and w-engine banners only have 2 rate up A-Ranks instead of 3 4 stars because of ZZZ’s 3 agent party system and there’s a new banner on a completely separate wishing system entirely for a mechanic that is exclusive to ZZZ and thus cannot be compared to HSR or Genshin. Summary - it’s a very minor improvement over HSR, mainly in QoL, nothing significant
To make things clear: -rate-up character banner follows the traditional 50/50 system of hoyoverse games (you start with 50/50 and if you lose 50/50 then next s rank is guaranteed to be the rate-up s rank unit) -a guaranteed s-rank within 50 pulls, is only exclusive for the normal banner (permanent banner) where u can get an s rank character or s rank w-engine within 50 pulls and normal rolling currency is also discounted from 10>8 but you will only be able to do 10 rolls everytime "till" you get an s rank from the normal banner -Rate-up w-engine banner is the same as the 50/50 system but instead of 50/50, it's 75/25 where you have 75% chance of rolling the rate up and a 25% chance of rolling and off-rate (You can only get an s-rank w-engine from standard banner and rate-up w-engine banner)
Different games? I would compare WW with Genshin. But well, if the Hoyofans compare Genshin with HSR like they have the same gameplay I wouldn't expect much in people comparing these games lol
disclaimer: what she’s referring to only exists on the standard banner, the premium banners still have 50/50s. not to mention how expensive it would be to pull 300 times, and how much of a waste it would be to use that many recourses on a standard banner that will be power crept within a couple months. but grace is my future wife and so i have to summon.
@@hotshootful I know you can replay the dialogue between the conversations but not the cutscenes. ZZZ will taken you back two the moment liken you are playing it. Genshin just have you the audio and the script of the dialogue. Unless they changed it from the last time I looked?
hi3 gives you a five star every patch what are you unto WuWa is nothing special in spoiling their players They're the same as all the other gacha games
@@wanabid98 Another didiot who strays on the topic. Jesus fckin christ. Why there's so many dmb people on the internet. Also, If you don't like the game then don't fckin play it. EZ right? Is arguing with every people on a dmbsht comparison a thing now?
Also there’s something that increases your chances for a 5 star up to 1.6% after you lose 50/50, idk if that’s a thing in previous games but yeah, seemed cool.
But rip for those snapdragon entry level phone (I was experiencing the same thing) We usually having issues that our map is not rendering the color and the object is only black The characters and the story still has the color and still good, but when it comes to gameplay there's an absolute dark. You only can see characters, all object are dark
Imagine being that silly, to just repeat the very same HSR's banner system and tell that ZZZ have something new. HSR be like: 50 pulls guaranteed first 5-star ✅ Any character on 300 pulls✅ Single weapon in banner ✅ 75% of rate-up on weapon✅ Mmmm.. Its actually much more better, yeah, of course. Im staying in WuWa, because there are ACTUALLY better wishing system, guaranteed rate-up weapon and lower pity on 5-star. ZZZ going to dump right away.
It’s literally like Genshin’s system, only the guaranteed 5 star of your choice wasn’t a thing in it (at least I don’t remember it was). Genshin also has the hidden pity that starts at 74 pulls… although I would swear it starts at 70 with how often I would get a five star between 70 to 73 pulls, but that could be a coincidence. Honestly, what they need to do is also add in what Tower of Fantasy does, where getting a 5 star does not count toward the guaranteed pity, and that you can redeem the character after a set amount of pulls no matter what, such as ToF’s 120 banner currency cost to get it.
@@Quinqyincy That apparently demands 16 full party members, decently leveled units that are also stuck to being only a group of very specific elements where more then likely a good half of them can only be limited 5 stars due to a very small limit of 4 stars to pick from 3 out of 7 elements. No idea how many you can `steal` from friends, but i would not be amazed if they also put a restriction in that you `both` need to own said unit. Oh plus the reason you need 16 members or so, is because you cant even RUN a stage without a full party of 4 (Wuthering Waves Tower of Adversity/Ellusive realms and Honkai Star rails with Simulated Universe basically dancing all over that Grave alone). Plus apparently i heard from some Birdies, they `nerfed` spiral abyss rewards it seem to put them in this new game mode instead of just increasing the overall general rewards for players for rotation based content period???
@@BladeSerphso basically you don’t play genshin but you act like you know everything based on the few posts you’ve read from reddit or something? It’s *end*game content for *end*game players, of course they’re gonna require you to have more characters, most players at ar60 have over 50 characters lying around, this gives them something to grind towards instead of complain about having ‘nothing to do’, in fact the people that do complain typically have half the game left unfinished
@@anastasija1309 yup I touched genshite years ago, never liked it. Now Zerolazy repeating the cycle. The point is you either have to have many months of grind to have all those characters WITHOUT maxing out characters to save resources. Which if you know genshite payouts, there is no way in hell that even if people had 2 good parties, would be able to realistically prepare another 8 or even 12 other characters, depending on elements and do that every month or so with potentially over half the roster they used before CANT be used in the previous run. It’s called an end game that follows the tradition of HOW they had players play the game, not make an entire damn game mode that demands you NOW waste resources working on numerous other characters, put gear on every single character (since I’m sure mihoyo locked you from switching gear I bet), So essentially where I’m gonna bet due to the weekday ascension resource restrictions and probably not making it notice’abilty easier to start fresh in the game as the years went on….no reasonable person, even on announcement day would of been caught up in the game mode’s conditions, since it would likely take a month, to make a decent SINGLE character maybe 2 if you spend money, but I’m talking weapon, artifacts, talent levels, stat level and moar. Also it’s funny you mentioned unfinished cause this game mode implies you DONT finish units and spend more time preparing ‘unfinished characters’ to pad the roster out and do that with a roster that could be completely different because they don’t use the same elements as last time and just purposely pick a bunch of extremely unwanted or utilized characters that most would be HARD RECOMMENDED, NEVER to work on. Imagine if the special guests were Eula, Amber. Klee, Venti, QIQI and Keqing. Sure, that’s not balanced, but how fun would it be if they made the ‘freebie guest characters’, be units that many players never acquired or bother to level, because they have never showed up and anytime they have would be when banners infinitely more important then them show up. Moral of the fking story: if the game mode doesn’t allow you to run 2 man or 3 man parties, it’s just another crapper just like another Eden was with A$tral Archieces. And I find it funny that apparently Alloy and Traveler can’t be used, so they straight up fking flip off proper WELFARE OPTIONS, to normally budget F2P alleviate these kind of problems. Would not be amazed if they purposely leave out Lisa, Kaveh, Amber and even Collei, because you ‘got them from free’, years ago.
For those who don’t know, if you want to know if you got a S and, the wheel will spin more times while shining gold dusts, then it will glitch into S rank for a split second, then if you are wondering if you win or lose the 50/50 is then depended on the song it plays, for example if you lost the 50/50, the song will play a men rapping song about (umm, yeah, shining golden star…) if you win the 50/50, it will be a women singing the song
I didn't even make it past the prologue cause I don't want to level up characters I might never use again because the gameplay is easy AF. It's a joke compared to HI3's, which has the same gameplay.
@@cynomain9802 Not only that, the buttons are glowing every time you have to dodge or use a skill. It glows gold which is too eye catching in a way for the player to know, "Oh I press this button now" compared to the subtle glow from HI3's white glow
For everyone, It’s better than HSR cuz the beginner pulls count towards the 300 and there’s a separate bangboo system with different wishes which is 100% Garunteed, so more wishing and more five stars.
I’d argue that the Bangboo thing makes it slightly worse since they’re likely going to reward exclusively boopens for a lot of events, making actual pulls harder to get
Misleading, when people hear "character banner" they're thinking of the limited one. You're calling the perma banner the "character banner." Don't think you're getting Ellen guaranteed in 50 or less, folks.
The problem with 50 pulls. If you get a S before 50th, it can be someone else. Not the banner. And the counter resets to 0. You start over. It gets expensive.
I just want more and longer fights, like a horde mode, how long can you survive an endless horde. This would scratch that itch and also a great way to practice the combat system for ZZZ
I got 3 limited 5 star weapons in 50 wishes, and got 2 5 star characters within 30 wishes in genshin... I lost Ellen Joe 50/50 at 75 wishes and got her at 70 pity, didn't get her weapon in 60 pity... I cry...
