Will Davos burn Shireen in the Winds of Winter? (ASOIAF Theory) 

I'm not certain Mance surviving is the big reveal for her one chapter. The flames showing her Jon over and over while she prays for seeing Azor Ahai, seeing Jon and a man, a wolf, then a man again is a huge tell. But fun video.

I refuse to believe that Stannis the Mannis would burn Shireen.

This always makes me so extremely angry at D&D. The burning of Shireen in the show, although based on a completely stupid premise, still was quite traumatic to the viewers. At the same time, the resurrection of Jon Snow was one of the most ecstatic moments for the viewers. Now imagine them happening at the same time, with the former directly causing the latter. What sensation would win, our revulsion over Shireen's burning, or our happiness over Jon's resurrection? This would have been not just one of the greatest moments in the show, but perhaps in television, we would still be talking about it today, with some people defending it because they loved Jon coming back, and others rejecting it because of the horrible cost. D&D had this gold right in their hands, but because they are the dumbest, most talentless washed-up hacks ever seen in the movie industry, they completely botched it. I loathe them so much for this.

Related to this, my favorite Melisandre quote: "a man with a thousand cows gives one to god, that is nothing. But a man who offers the only cow he owns . . ." By this logic, Davos sacrificing Shireen is the most powerful sacrifice that could be made

My suspicion is always that Selyse, who is at the wall and has consumed rather more of Melisandre's Kool-Aid than Stannis, would put the torch to Shireen. The really interesting question is what Wun-Wun would make of this. One of the weirdest moments in Dance was when he met Shireen and appeared oddly deferential to her, as if he recognised her somehow. Would he allow the burning to happen at all?

Shireen could be burnt by the wildlings, simply for her greyscale. The wildlings believe whoever has greyscale should be burnt. It would be an interesting plot twist if the threat of greyscale is effectively removed in the north but explodes in the south, with Jon Con walking around with active greyscale. When I was reading Jon Con's pov I was like, come on dude you have greyscale you should see a maester and quarantine yourself.

This was really interesting. I'd always suspected Mel might use the bones to pose as Davos while advising Stannis to do something she thinks is critically important but isn't confident he'd listen to if the advice came from her. But I like your theory too. The only thing that gives me pause about it is Mel seems to have taken a softer posture towards Davos recently, as evidenced by keeping his son safely away from the battle to atone for getting his other sons killed. So things would have to get really desperate for her to reverse course and drive a wedge between Davos and Stannis. Lastly, I agree with the other comment about the big reveal being the contents of Mel's fire visions rather than the secret Mance rescue (which is still significant, obviously). There's a lot of Winds set up in them- Jon's resurrection; Jon being Azor Ahai; Jon's "sister" fleeing to him for protection (no, I don't think it was Alys Karstark); Euron being the biggest threat to Stannis (which alludes to him bringing the wall down); the revelation that Bloodraven can see Mel through her fires, which possibly has a sub-revelation that he's not the 3EC since once again he appears as a weirwood...So yeah. Mance is but a piece of the pie lol.

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Nice piece! I like the added touch of the Blackwater Burning, being where his luck ran out, as he seems to lose his fingerbones around that time period. The fingerbones that incidentally would create a very strong glamor. What makes this even more plausible is the timing, approx around leaving for King's Landing and the defeat on Blackwater. This is exactly the time period where Davos shows he still has influence over the King, by getting her sent away. She makes a big deal of this. Her influence only grows strong after his crushing defeat. It's almost like, if she did take them, this cursed Stannis & Davos a little bit.

Bravo. This is a brilliant, and brutal, theory. Feels entirely plausible to me. It hurts, but makes complete sense. Great job.

Dude this is the freshest aSoIaF video I’ve seen in a year, please post more of this idk why things have dropped off, im honestly so exhausted from HoD breakdown vids, it’s like Jesus we read the book let’s get to the deep dive, which is what you’ve done here, thanks for the fresh take.

Great video. I haven't heard of this theory but it makes a lot of sense. I love that it is way more sober than other theories I've been listening, which sometimes even take any time a character uses the word "other" as evidence that they have have something to do with the Others, even if the word is "another"

I think it is just as likely that Jon gets "otherised" but since his soul resides in ghost he will be able transfer back into his body and be something like cold hands. This also feeds into the Nightfort lore and possibly that the Starks had a pact with the Others. Now that their is no Stark in Winterfell that triggers the beginning of the Long Night. I don't think Melissandre would do that to Davos. She did save his ass a few times but maybe she knew to keep him alive because she saw the future in the flames.

I still think its possible that stannis himself burns shireen. its important to note that Stannis would have burned edric storm if Davos had not moved him out of his reach. As for Stannis' prospects in Twow... he will probably win the battle of ice, but afterwards he would be screwed. he is probably going to lose storms end and dragonstone. davos will probably get rickon which gets him most of the norths support

Great Theory! I definitely could see that happening and it'd be devastating

Wow! Loads on new ideas here. Jon could be the dragon woken out of stone that's prophesied! Brilliant!

Thanks for sharinng, Quinn. So Melisandre saw an opportunity to steal the bag sometime between Cressen's death and Imry sailing the fleet to King's Landing? Then Melisandre glamors herself to burn Shireen to further her own ends? It's possible. But let pose a few issues... First, Shireen's burning is not yet in print.... and therefore not yet fact. GRRM can do whatever he wants with the story even if he said Shireen would burn during some Q&A. It's not guaranteed. Melisandre, as Davos, wants to burn Shireen in the face of the King's Men. We know most of them consider Davos as a commoner and will not follow him. And what does Selyse say to this? Does she belong so completely to Melisandre that she will allow this? How will Melisandre explain Davos' sudden appearance to burn Shireen and then his presumably immediate departure again? This whole theory makes me think that Melisandre has to openly break with Stannis and Selyse. The only way she does this is if she is now convinced that Stannis is not Azor Ahai reborn and if she's convinced that she can pay for a dragon with king's blood.

Interesting catch on the fingerbones. That will likely come into play at some point. And, yes, at some point someone will try to burn Shireen. But I think they're going to be for a big surprise. I think she is the "one more" that Rhaegar spoke of in Dany's visions. She has dragon dreams. Unlike Dany, with whom btw she shares the title Princess of Dragonstone, who has always been told stories of how wonderful dragons are, she has been told frightening stories of them. The only cure for greyscale that seems to be mentioned as being effective is boiling water. Having boiling water poured over the head would kill a normal person. The damage to her scalp may also be George's way of hiding her true hair colour. Wun Wun's reaction to meeting her. He drops to his knees and says "Kneel Queen. Kneel Queen." A very odd reaction for the proudest of the Free Folk. I believe that a much younger, and presumably smaller Wun Wun was among the wilding prisoners that Alysanne met on her trip to the Wall. He's met a Dragon before, and knows another one when he sees her.

It’s nice hearing theories I haven’t heard or thought of like this. Especially reasonable ones with solid evidence

This is a good theory. I can see it happening. I do not believe Stannis will be in any way involved in the burning, but he is far away and Melisandre could use his name to order it. And you are right, the bag of bones is mentioned explicitly by her (e.g. the author), and it will be strange if it does not serve any purpose. Probably something very much like this will occur.

Cant wait for new stannis stuff!!

Just found your channel, good stuff

This video got me to sub. I like this theory alot. Please more stannis

Didn’t Davos loose the finger bones on that island after the battle in Blackwater bay

During the Battle of the Blackwater in ACok 58, Davos's Pov, is clearly stated that Davos touches his finger bones during the whole fiasco. He lost them when his ship was destroyed. Some other survivor of the battle might have found the bag, Stannis's men generally fear the red priestess thus the bones got to her by her power of imposing herself on people. The bones also have value because they are a part of Davos, it all, a good guy.

I still think Lady Stoneheart will give her life for Jon. Rob named him his heir, and it is Cat's greatest regret, it would be poetic

I'll be honest I'd be devestated if this happened to Shireen and if Davis's reputation was destroyed in this way

Davos finger bones were lost in Blackwater Bay when Davos' ship was destroyed in battle Could be possible for the bones to be used as you theorize. It's plausible

A good theory, however I'm certain that Davos had his fingerbones on the blackwater. He reaches for them before the battle if I recall. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't know how she could have them.

I think it's likely. There's so many crazy theories out there. Yours are the most logical.

Interesting theory.

Great theory, that's really interesting and it doesn't seem far fetched

I don't remember Melisandre mentioning the bag of bones. I consider myself a bit knowledgeable on ASoIaF theories, but I had never heard about this. It makes sense! Is this really the first time someone has proposed this theory or have I missed it before?

This go well with the theory of Stannis becoming the Nights king of the Others. If you are right, this could be the catalyst for Stannies to become the Second Night's King, rejection the Red God in favor of the bringer of Death.

Is it possible to burn the relatives of Raymum Redbeard? There is also kings blood inside them.

Sheerean and the queen are at castle black at theend of dance!

Speaking of tics. I can totally see Jon trying to flex his sword hand after hes resurrected and feeling nothing seeing how he's been dead for so long.

Shireen is at Castle Black, correct me if im wrong.

I'm not sure magic would be required to repair Jon's body as we are told that there are ice cells at castle black which are currently being used to preserve bodies that jon wants to observe. Imo it seems most likely his body would be left there

Rip Shireen

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Davos seeing himself burn Shireen would be something right out of a fever dream. But because this is ASOIAF, of course the next chapter would reveal it was no dream, and Davos is in deep shit despite swearing "it was just a nightmare!"

This doesn’t seem to hard to figure out to be honest, easy way for it all to go down is Mel and Selyse mistakenly hear that Stannis is dead, they choose to burn Shireen to awaken Azhor Ahai, and then Jon comes back. Seems to be the easiest way to bring Jon back imo

Shireen is actually already at Castle Black

Shireen is at Castle Black not Eastwatch. Jon actually thinks of Selyse that she would walk into the flames if she was told to…she would totally sacrifice Shireen if Melisandre said it needed to be done.

Interesting theory, except for one thing: George said Stannis will be the one giving the order to burn Shireen, therefore such a glamour woudn't be necessary. Besides that, Davos being responsible for the murder of a child would be completely out of character for him, imo. He rejects the idea of killing innocent people for the sake of the realm. He helped Edric Storm escape, didn't he? Why woudn't he do the same for Shireen? Maybe the book quote about the fingerbones is a foreshadowing of some future event we haven't predicted yet. We shall see.

Good theory but I think it has to be Stannis, it’d be the most emotional outcome anyway.

I don’t see why Melisandre would need to disguise herself. Selyse is fanatical in her following of the lord of light. So if the red priestess came to her and said something along the lines of “it is the will of the lord of light, I have seen it in my flames.” I don’t think Selyse would make much protest honestly. Maybe she would disguise johns body as Davos. But again I don’t think Melisandre would need to put that much effort in. Interesting theory though. She is a tricky character I don’t know what Melisandre’s aim is.

I really think that they've been building towards Lady stoneheart finding out the truth and sacrificing herself to bring Jon back

Thoros didn't need kings' blood in order to revive Beric for 6 times, so I don't see why Melisandre would.

I can’t see this not being the way it happens

Shireen is in Castle Black though. Why would they have to go to East Watch? Also the people around Shireen are all Queensmen i believe. They are full fledged believers in The Lord of Light and The Red Woman. I think Davos' finger bones will serve another purpose personally

Davos had his finger bones on the battle of blackwater bay chapter

Man I saw a lot of ASOIAF theories the last couple of years, most of them were bullshit but yours is quite great

now I need to go read again...I coulda sworn Shireen was at castle black with the queen and Mel

I mean, there is a greek myth about agamemnon sacrificing his daughter Ifigeneia so that the sea would calm and with his army would reach Troy.

King Stannis daughter princess Shireen is at castle black not Eastwatch-by-the-sea

Great video, using a item that belongs to a particular person for a glamour opens a flood gate for misdirect by our author. We have the tower of joy fever dream that has two of the Kingsguards having a item that is associated with each. Whent's bat helmet, Dayne's sword Dawn sticking out from his back. We also have Mance Rayder's cloak with it's red lace. Then there is the theory that Jon and Turmond switching places with each wearing the other's gold arm bands and sword longclaw. It's possible, not likely, but possible. This gives the author very easy ways of having a unreliable narrator steer the reader in the wrong direction. Not saying he did or has done so, but it is at least possible. Or something like that.

didn't Davos lose his fingers on the blackwater?

I don't see how Stannis could be the man to do it, Ned stark said it, "the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword" and he is no where near close to Shireen. If he send the order this is flat out character assassination.

Davos lost his fingerbones in the blackwater, commenting right as you ask so not sure if its addressed

Why would Mel need to burn Shireen, if the resurrection of Beric Dondarrion did not require any sacrifice?

This does seem plausible

Not a chance! He risks the wrath of stannis by sending edric storm away then burns Shireen?

OMG I did not realize he didn’t have fingers. It’s been ages since I watch the show and I never rewatch it. And I’ve never read the books. Also on a sidenote, wouldn’t those fingers smell terrible? 😅

That makes a lot of sense and it makes me hate the red witch even more.

I always wondered what the bottom of the barrel looked like. Now i know

I don't see why Melisandre would need a sacrifice when Thoros did not .

It’s gonna be patch face! He sings about how he will lead her to the deep… what if she glamours him to be davos? Mmmm

Davos lost his finger bones in the battle of the blackwater

You might be onto something here. Melisandre will most likely glamour Davos’ son who is a devout Lord of the Light follower. Who better to glamour him then his son?

I think this will not happen in books. Stannis will not kill her, he may want to marry her to rickard stark in order to get stronger his alliance with Jon Snow who will be freed from nightwatch and will be going to Winterfell.

Am I the only one who's still skeptical at the 'shireen being burned' outcome?

Shireen is in Castle Black not Eastwatch. Seleyse trusts Melisandre more than Davos.

I dont think Shireen is Stannis daughter.... that could be the reason things got messed up when she was killed, she just didnt have kings blood... maybe Stannis simply couldnt have children... maybe Davos was her father, and doomed his own daughter by helping Robert Baratheon´s bastard escape... all four sons of Davos died serving Stannis, and his only daughter(and last living child) is sacrificed cuz he took the bastard with kings blood away.. maybe thats just what i´d expect from George R.R. Martin....

Short answer: No Long answer: Hell no Great video though

Dude i swear to god, if stannis somehow burns shireen and she is disguised with some sort of glamour from Mel, and then realizes what he has done, i'm gonna lose my shit.

Mel is going to burn Shireeb while Shireen is glamored as Davos

6:41 This is soemthing I disagree with, I think the ultimate point of George's books is that there is no "power in kings blood". I think this is one of lies and distractions. George has mocked the idea of bloodlines and bloodline purity in interviews.

He wil burn Selyse . But those books will never hit shelves so...

I cam up with a theory but no one is even talking about it. And it's a big point in davos asos chapter...his bones where around his neck he should of drown his bones are lost...its a sacrifice and the drown God saved him... or some God did. A flesh sacrifice made and he lives. He knows he should of died he knows no ship should of been around him to save him...he washed up like patch face come on. Davos is very important he some how talks people into stuff more than anyone and he's a low born smuggler yet somehow important men are swayed easily by his words

I don't think she will go for Shireen....I think Melisandre is going to burn the baby that she BELIEVES is Mance Rayders baby for the king's blood sacrifice

Milla Sandre doesn't want davos put of stanis's counsel. She was the one to ask for him to be freed out of his sell.

This is what George is doing to his fans by taking forever to write Winds. Its causing us to endlessley speculate on ridiculously stupid theories.

this is evil, pure unredeemable evil

No.

0% chance. Davos loves that girl more than Stannis

I haven't watched yet so I'm saying hell no it's completely against his character. U gonna have to convince me on this one lol unless someone is wearing his face or a glamor with his lost fingers but that's still not Davis so yea time to see what u saying

Will youtube channels find an OUNCE of creativity?

It sounds ridiculous that Melisandre has Davos' finger bones. Sorry. Nice video, but absolute tinfoil.

Seriously? Davos of all people who is absolutely dedicated to saving Shireen. Whatever gave you this idea? Davos doesn’t even believe in the Lord of Light. Or was this just a click bait?

While I appreciate this theory, and don’t want to accuse you of outright plagiarism, this is something that has been theorized by fans for years. It’s not right to claim it as your theory as you do at the end. You’re creating good content; this fandom is ravenous, as you know, so just trying to forewarn you about claims to theories which aren’t original to you. Giving you the benefit of the doubt here, but it’s only the second of your videos I’ve seen and it’s the second without crediting previous theories. If you truly aren’t aware, then wonderful work.

Ridiculous theory. All you missed was the aliens arriving.

No that whole crap was HBO shock value like stabbing the pregnant chick who wasn't even present in the books at the red wedding.

This theory is verifiably false-George _specifically_ referred to Shireen's burning as "Stannis' decision." Having it play out like this would require a complete last-minute character arc rewrite, or for George to completely abandon the antiwar and anti-extremist themes and beliefs to which he's devoted his entire writing career.

Wouldn’t Val also qualify as having King’s blood? Theon definitely qualifies. Or am I mistaken

Definitely