Winds of Winter Predictions: Shireen and Patchface 

I would never trust Mel's interpretation of her visions. Ever. "I keep seeing Jon Snow in my flames repeatedly when I'm looking for Azor Ahai. Whatever could it possible mean???" Girl bye.

What if Patchface like Hodor has seen his own death and is trying to save Shireen when he wants her to go away with him because they both get burned

This one is dark folks...

If Shireen is going to be burned to resurrect Jon, one could see why HBO changed it... They couldn't hang that on their pretty-boy hero, so they chose to hang it on Stannis and Selyse instead.

Damn Quinn's hair looking good

I think Patchface takes on the role of the jester/joker. In old days they were supposed to act as the devil's advocate for rulers, keeping their ego in check and giving perspective (Watch Joker by Alan Watts). Over the years and a few short tempered rulers, they began to veil their criticisms in humor/songs. Similarly, Patchface is doing the same but no one reads into his sayings, except those who are perceptive.

Normies do their quarantine workouts to music, real ASOIAF fans do brutal workouts listening to quin and lml

Patchface died in the sea and the Drowned God brought him back to be his prophet. He volunteered to go to Hardhome, saying "We'll ride into the sea and out again." Whenever he talks about the sea, he means death ("under the sea, fish eat us" "under the sea, bodies fall up" etc.). So at Hardhome, going into the sea means dying and coming out means being reanimated. He may have a hand in bringing on the Long Night.

I agree w Quinn, I think the grayscale will be the reason behind Shereen's death. I think she will cause an outbreak of grayscale north just like Connington is about to cause a pandemic south, she'll be taken by the wildlings and killed and the body burned afterward but for practical reasons. I think Jon's resurrection could be happening simultaneously making the process ambiguous/unclear just like the the dragons birth was.

Stannis isnt caring, but he does love Shireen, no question about it

Honestly, the more I think about Shireen's bleak future, the most upset I get about this poor little girl. I guess getting older, taking care of children and all of that amplifies the feelings, but I'm pretty sure her sacrifice will have me in tears. Poor Shireen.

"Under the waves se will ride seahorses" Aurane Waters stole all those ships from Kings Landing and hes a bastard of House Velaryon, and its sigil is...thats right, a seahorse

I like to imagine after Quinn's puppy killed his hat LML offered to give him those sweet ass cornrows because lord knows no cosmetologists are open right now lol.

Malegorn: Lord Snow, who will lead this ranging? Jon: Are you offering yourself, ser? Malegorn: Do I look so foolish? Patchface: I will lead it! We will march into the sea and out again. Under the waves we will ride seahorses, and mermaids will blow seashells to announce our coming, oh, oh, oh.

In Homer's Iliad, King Agamemnon sacrifices his daughter Iphigenia to appease Artemis, change the winds and get the Greeks to Troy. When he gets back to Mycenae a decade later, Queen Clytemnestra murders him in revenge. Not an exact parallel, but close.

"Feminist icon Stannis Baratheon" 😂😂

That whole thing about Patchface having blood on his mouth... Maybe it's about his prophecies about many people dying?

Everyone knows patchface is pretty crazy, I have no idea why Stannis thinks he is a good playmate.

Could it be that Patchface will go berserk when Shireen is killed, and the reason Melisandre feels so scared of him is that he will either kill her or be such a threat that she fears for her life? She said that she first learned to see danger to herself, and her intense fear/dislike of Patchface could be related to this

Patchface is the jar jar of ASOIAF. He is the key to everything

Yall left us in this cold dark world! Glad you're back

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Definitely going to be key differences from the show with the concepts covered in this vid in terms of overall semantics , where characters are and general motivations. I have been leaning towards Shireen being sacrificed for Jon for a bit now ; with Jon's resurrection in general there is going to be more cost and likely more ritual sacrifice from Mel unlike the show's more simplistic hair washing and incantation version. So Shireen is a prime candidate here for a sacrifice connected to Jon , with ample textual clues for it. Stannis i do not see being directly involved or okaying her sacrifice in any way (even if he was in close proximity which he almost certainly will not be) as he does hold value for his daughter ; Selyse on the other hand the level of fanatic she is I would think would sign off Shireen's sacrifice if its something she deems rather important to the cause (not just a weather reprieve like the show). And this likely sacrifice is surely going to have ramifications on numerous levels and a general narrative catalyst for characters / arcs around and affected by the event. Patchface is interesting , somewhat bummed he was not in the show but in hindsight I am sure they would not have portrayed or captured him well anyway. In the books the prevalence of him in visions and another somewhat resurrected character who has prophetic / vision attributes / elements about him , does seem he has some integral role to fulfill , which may even manifest in his sacrifice. Definitely curious to see how these particular concepts play out in the books , it will be much more complex , nuanced and well thought out from GRRM compared to the show.

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At the 4:20 mark -- I think Quinn has a point, though perhaps not in the way we think. What if Mel's visions of Patches surrounded by skulls was a hint from GRRM about who Patches is? Meaning that he's a green-seer. Mel's vision of Patches in the flames and Bran's coma vision could be interpreted as similar: "...Many a time I have glimpsed him in my flames. Sometimes there are skulls about him..."-Mel "There was nothing below him now but...a frozen wasteland where jagged blue-white spires of ice waited to embrace him. They flew up at him like spears. He saw the bones of a thousand other dreamers impaled upon their points..."-Bran What Mel sees could be a reformation of what Bran saw. We know Mel seems to fear Patches because of her visions, and the only other time a fire vision scares her is the one where Bran and Bloodraven are staring back at her through the flames. Two greenseers. There's a lot more to the theory than that, too much to include in a comment, but just thought I'd mention the bits about the skulls since their possible meaning was touched upon in the video. It's also worth noting that if this were true and Patchface stepped onto Shireen's pyre, burning a greenseer could have interesting implications for Jon's resurrection. Maybe it'll awaken the gift in Jon, similar to the Jojen paste bolstering Bran's abilities. This could be what makes Patches more significant than Stannis as Quinn suggested. We know Bran tried opening Jon's third eye while Jon was in Ghost; maybe this inadvertent sacrifice will do what Bran couldn't. Further, Jon's direwolf has red eyes, and red eyes are the mark of a greenseer. Perhaps I'm misreading things but it seems like there's been some groundwork laid here.

Ok so this is MY prediction, or atleast how I see it happening. I think they will try to sacrifice Shireen to the Red God, but when they go looking for her she's missing. Everyone goes crazy looking for her cause they believe that if they give her to the Red God they'll be safe but, when they find her she's been drown by Patchface as a sacrifice to the Drown God. Then they'll end up sacrificing Patchface to the Red God.

On many ocassions Patchface starts a phrase with the words "under the sea" . I noticed that if you replace under the sea with Valyria it kida makes sense. But you need to iluminate us on his quotes. He is the most misterious chatacter in ASOIAF, even more misterious than Quaithe

Now do the rickon on Skagos video !

I feel that Patchface is connected to Euron in some way. All this talk about underwater beings and Euron wants to raise all sorts of creatures with his "sea of blood" plan.

You guys should cover Hardhome. I think it will be the prologue chapter in Winds. Melisandre said none shall return from there. It seems much darker than the tv series, wildlings are eating the dead, Black fleet is broken, losing half it’s ships, the dead are in the woods and “things” are lurking in the water. It seems really ominous and creepy.

This is the one I was waiting for. Discussions about Patchface. His connections to prophecy and the deep ones. That is a plot threat I’m waiting to read

Patchface is frontrunner for my favorite character of all time ❤ awesome to have another episode today, thanks fellas 🤘

Shireen is lovable in both the books and the show...I don’t want a anything to happen to her but...

These videos are phenomenal, and are really helping folks through the quarantine. Thanks for the quality content, guys.

Thanks for all the videos I love when you two team up! I just recently found your videos and have been watching both of you guy's channels and love the theories You make my work days enjoyable!!

Not nearly enough material on this subject out there! Perfect for keeping me going at work thanks guys!

very glad you two are back with this preview thx

Jon would hate it if he learned a little girl was burned so that he could be brought back.. there will be conflict from that, for sure!

These are great guys. Not overly long and the style of the room and table are on point. Also likin the classier look. You guys have solid insight keep it up

I absolutely love these. After these are done, I’ll be looking forward to the actual book being released and am hoping to see the 2 of you going over all of these plot lines again and comparing what you thought would happen against what actually happens in the book. I really like the chemistry between the two of you. More collaborations for you two, please!

Holy F***ing S***, it's Quinn. The man who predicted the downfall of GOT before it even happened. Quinn is a absolute true fan!

Lovely to have another video from you two! I definitely thought the television show story behind Stannis burning Shireen was totally lame. If he is somehow involved in the decision, then it would have to be an existential threat, like a literal attempt to save mankind from the Others, IMO. Though I won’t be surprised if he isn’t there at all either.

Second queen, after Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra has an army! I hope the bit about dragons doesn't mean Dany's literal dragons are in any way involved. No Evil Dany, please!

Finally! I was starting to be worried that you had stopped this serie. Don't you dare!! I love your various insights and analysis of the books. Great content, as always. Thanks also to give some attention to a couple of characters that are less present in the books but are as enigmatic and relevant to the story.

Glad to have you guys back I was going through vid withdrawals after that amazing March you guys provided us! Also shoutout to my boy Quinn with the fresh cornrows tho lmao.👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾

Could never get tired of you two collaborating on videos. Also, nice cornrows :D

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You guys have motivated me to get back into making asoiaf videos so ty!

Thanks for keeping me entertained during the quarantine.

Thank god you guys are back at it

One of my favorite aspects of this entire series is Patchface. Can't wait to see where this goes. Still hyped for TWoW TO THIS DAY!!!

I love the many styles of Quinn. hope ye guys are taking this pandemic on your stride and thrive. great time for reflection, introspection and changing of routines! also a great time for asoiaf content! loving every video!

This is definitely my favorite format for these videos. I know you two moved... I hope it was closer together

Thank god I thought y’all weren’t gonna continue this series! I’m so hype for your rickon prediction! He’s looks so bad ass in the teaser.

keep this videos coming, they are awesome

Loved this video fellas, can't wait for the next!

If the reader is present for the burning of Shireen, it will almost certainly be a Mel POV. Jon is dead (for now), Davos will be marshalling an army to retake the Wall and George says she's misunderstood. Well, put us in her mind and show us how she feels about killing a little girl. It has the potential to be one of the best scenes in the entire series. Or maybe the wildlings will misunderstand her burning rituals and kill Shireen because of the greyscale, which will really upset Mel. I don't think Mel will purposely kill Shireen for any reason. Even for Jon. She needs a king's blood and Mance's son (that definitely wasn't swapped with Craster's son) will probably be used to bring Jon back. but he'll be more like Lady Stoneheart than Beric. It'd be an interesting sort of irony. Two of the characters who want nothing to do with each other are now more alike than anyone else in the Seven Kingdoms. I mean, there are a hundred thousand similar people north of the Wall, but that's not the Seven Kingdoms. And if we're sticking with the last thoughts of undead characters being their motivation in their new lives, Beric hunting the Moutain, Cat's hatred of the Freys, then Jon will likely spend the remainder of his existence killing turncloaks, whipping betrayal from the face of the earth. I got sidetracked. Sorry. I don't have any theories about Patcheface, but I think his songs and rhymes are more important than anyone realizes.

Great video, thank you. I love these discussions.

You have no idea how much I love that you stuck that little chibi G.R.R.M doll inside the Weirwood cup.

So fucking happy to see this new video popped up!! Love your all’s collaborations. Keep em coming

Just a random input about this scene: In the german version the forshadowing works a little different as Snow (Jon) and snow are both written capital in german so we dont get the hint in the Mel chapter. Therfore they changed this quote to something like: every time I ask Rhollor for the king he only shows me you (to Jon Snow). Implying also she always saw him when she asks for Azor Ahai when she saw s/Snow

Guys you make the wait on wofw worth while! Love you 2 working together. Keep up the good work! God as a mother I dread the idea of a sacrificed Shireen. And I hope we learn more about patch face in the upcoming book. Quin did a video bout him and ever since I hope to learn more

Nice to see a new video!!

I think I speak for everyone when I say we can never have enough ASOIAF videos from you guys

Man, I had a mini heart attack when a saw it first thing on notifications. Keep up with this stuff guys its unbelievable!! (Also Patchface has the most fucked up lines in the book imo and I love it)

Thanks for a thought-provoking video on my favourite princess and her fool.

I hope Patchface will find a way to get Shireen or get her remains to the sea ask "The King of The Mer-People to bring her back like he did him (or so the theories say) but instead the Mer-people King does bring her back but for himself as his queen or she comes back more crazy than Patchface and Patchface and Shireen go make a life together in like some F-ed up place like Ashai or in the actual shadow.

I really believe that after hearing Stannjs is dead in the pink letter(I don’t think he’s really dead)selyse it Mel will burn shireen asking to bring back azor ahai/ the prince that was promised and Jon will rise back from the dead...and that will be when Mel starts to support Jon instead of Stannis

Thank u 2 for making these video's. I LOVE ASOIAF content, but especially now. With the lockdown in effect, we all can use more great content like this.......😀

About time!

Thank y'all and I hope you're both staying safe 🖖🤙

I was hoping you would wear your Patchface costume. Great video guys👍👍👍

Love this video!i rewatch this 1

Good episode. Nice braids Quin!

Patchface continues to be the character that is the most interesting to me, and really MISSING him in the show.

Oh how I've missed you guys!!

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Lmao I needed that Little finger joke. Great video LML and Quinn 👍

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We've already seen that Beric and even Catelyn didn't require a fire and blood sacrifice. So why would Jon? I mean, is there evidence that Mel failed red priestess school? I think the burning is for Stannis. Because what else would you do when you think the most important person in the world has died? You pull out all the stops. Maybe by proxy Jon will be revived instead (bc Stannis isn't dead). Then Mel will go on thinking that Jon is Azor Ahai instead and then Stannis will come back. Very messy.

I've also been wondering if there could be any way that Shireen dies accidentally, and in a sort of mirroring of Dany pulling off whatever she did to hatch dragons, somehow Shireen's death is "turned into a spell" that ends up bringing Jon back.. 🤔

Oh, nearly forgot. One thing that made the show plot even worse is this: Stannis is desperate over a snowstorm, yes? But how can the storm be that bad if Ramsay and Twenty Good Men can set ... whatever it was on fire? A blizzard would put the fire out, no? Snow is H20, basic chemistry?

Niiice Didn't know there was episode coming out today

White Walkers already have two wights inside, Jon had two corpses brought in and had them watched but after his death there might be no one being told to watch them...

I love your videos! Do you know what that eerie/scary music you use at the beginning is called? The one you play when you read off the chapter text.

Great video guys. Been loving all the theories and predictions. I always thought patchface was to do with grey scale. Val warns Jon shireen isn't clean and who spends the most time with shireen? Depending on timeline, either Shireen's sacrafice could flip Patchface out and he starts biting everyone, or the grey scale plague happens first and shireen is sacraficed to try and stop the spread. Thoughts?

I always thought that the king seen by Stannis in the flames and who is turned into ashes by his fire crown, is Viserys, when Khal Drogo crowns him with melted gold. I thought Stannis and Melissandre were again misled by the flames. Doesn't it make sense?

Incredible breakdown as always guys!! Easy on the eyes too 😏 hehe

How does a Father and Mother come to gripes with murdering BY fire their only child. How. You destroy your own life.

Loving these predictions so far any plans for some on little finger? He seems to important to go out like he did on the show

I can’t be the only one who prefers Quinn without the fedora hat! Hahaha Nice job doggie! Awesome content as always guys! I am rereading the books and these insights are really helpful!

All Patchface has to do to fulfill the "bloody lips, while surrounded by skulls" prophecy is : say the wrong thing, and get people killed. I predict the wildlings will insist on killing Shireen (because she's infected). Melisandre will convince them to let her do it her way, to bring back jon (so she feels like she's making the best of a bad situation). I bet Selyse flips out and tries to protect her daughter, so they are burned together (echoing the 2 skulls in the heart tree that night's watch found). Then Melisandre is like "we should never tell Stannis about any of this." But patchface goes ahead and tells stannis. I'd bet Stannis returns and intends to work with Jon to fight the Others, but because of this betrayal he just can't. (plus, there's stinging symbolism in the way Patchface is a fool stag. So Stannis's only remaining symbol to cling to is: what a foolish baratheon he's been)

The burning stag representation actually makes me wonder if perhaps even Stannis might end up being burned, whether at a pyre or not. Could even be a element of the Battle of Ice ploy going awry

If Mel and the queen think Stannis is dead( from the pink letter), then they would burn the daughter to bring Stannis back to life. But as Mel is trying to bring back Azora Hi, it will be Jon who comes back to life, and Mel will finally realize who Azora Hi really is. At least that's my theory.

Oh shit, you thought it was over, top works ma nerds!

Both looking FLY as F 😎 keep up the good lore work

I love your patchface singing voice

Rewatching this playlist like I reread the books. I need TWoWP and I need TWoW!

The winds of winter are blowing... yaaaaaay another one!

You should do a reading of the book,with the right matching audio background just like you did in the begining of the video