The thing needs 140K in repairs . That Parley revival repair was done by two really competent people and the interior will never be the same and frankly I think it still is not strong enough . Door openings are too big and it introduces a huge weak spot . Breakage will just move to the next weakest point . The lever on a boat that wide and that heavy at sea is long and it does not have the safety valve of heeling and thus the load HUGE.
Aviation hydraulics mechanic (AMH) here.... also Aircrew on C-12's - US Navy- Hoorah!!!. Recognized those twist pliers right away. All the AM rates love those things... James, your friends need to ground that cat until the BH's are fixed... She ain't seaworthy and she's letting you know with all that creaking... Good Luck.
Something tells me, that between the problems Parlay Revival and Co. have had with similar structural issues, Lagoon won't be around this time next year.
@@mofosamo ...normally surveyors do not check this..that is true but with the commonality of the 450 and the 50 design and the last two years of issues with the bulkheads i sure as fuck would spend extra to check to see if the bulkheads have failed and wrinkled you remove the doors and the jam exposing edge of the door opening ..a half hour job..Parlay Revival showed exactly how in their videos James video of the cabinets..floor.. joinery and door ways flexing while underway is pretty much a clear indicator somethings broken..
@@68-And-I-Owe-You-NONE ..if they are aware and watched James video or heard it from him...and are still planning on open water sailing this turd..good freaking luck I'm curious if James researched the Lagoon issues and brought it to their attention
Until now Lagoon's bulkhead issues appeared to be limited to the 450 but if this model also had serious issues with their bulkheads, Lagoon's reputation is going to take an even bigger hit. They clearly have real design &/or build issues going on with their bulkheads and I know people who were dead set on a Lagoon and instead opted for a Leopard.
@@vial1sim it likely isn't specific to lagoon. That doesn't change the fact there are plenty of documented lagoons out there that it is happening to right now. It is a documented point of failure. I know this boat isn't a 450, but it would seem to me worth the effort of opening the cap on the bulkhead and taking a look at to see if it is shearing in the same manner. If it were my boat that bulkhead would have been inspected the moment I heard that creaking.
James please explain why they need to check the bulkheads. Sure as I’m breathing they are broken. Tell them to watch parley revival. That boat is in trouble.
That boat is literally breaking apart and these people just bought this boat. Did they not do any research or they know and just accepted it for a lower price. This is insane.
My brother - a naval architect and marine engineer - says the biggest problem is not the design of the boat or bulkhead construction per se - it is the idiots who did the joinery. By making tight fitting joins without relief spaces (with sika or some such) the internal joinery is pressing against the structural elements - the boat is moving, the joinery is not. Demolish the interior joinery is the very first step.
With the number of Lagoons needing internal cabin removal to inspect structure, those currently receiving remedial work or scheduled for inspection by lagoon, the insurance companies will be paying close attention. In the future, if this vessel is lost, this video will serve as evidence that the vessel was deliberately sailed in a questionable state and we all know how shifty insurance companies are.
Man this comments section is so negative on this video 🙁James you did a good thing helping these people learn the ropes on their own boat 👍🏼keep being an awesome human 👍🏼
@@thelastpirate I agree with Dave and The Narrator! Every sailboat can "fail" structurally at sea for any number of reasons. Get rolled by a rogue wave in a monohull and see how many "sail away" after that...............SO, giving these "new owners" some RAPID TRAINING in "basic seamanship" and "basic maintenance techniques" as they CONTINUE to "refit" their "USED BOAT" is admirable. What good would come out of "remaining silent" and "walking away" just because they MIGHT have a "risky boat"? Good job, James!
James, don't know if you're still monitoring the posts herein...but a couple of points. The way Angelo twisted the safety wire is not optimum in the least. He actually wrapped one tag end completely around the other leg of the other tag. I have seen such a technique fail (the twisted tag end simply slides off the straight tag end) on airplanes and why it is imperative to use a safety wire tool (the very one you noted in the video) to properly twist safety wire to ensure safety and longevity. Also, rather than cutting safety wire which leaves a very sharp point (which will always bite a human and draw blood), be sure to leave enough length at tag end of each leg (~5" will do) to form a Z shape at the end. Simply turn (as if cranking a handle) the tag end. After 3-5 cranks, the tag end will pop off leaving a very dull end/break in the wire that will not draw blood. Cheers!
The noise that lagoon is making sounds like every part of the boat EXCEPT the bulkheads are straining to keep it in one piece! I feel very worried and sad for the owners ☹️
hello i don't always say much but i love this makes my week been a few so just catchup wish i was with u lol music on this one very nice to AAAAAAAAA+++++++++++++++ if u need a human fly squotter lol take it easy james :-)
The structural bulkheads, both mast & engine, sound like their delaminated and have subsequently cracked. Why wasn't this structural issue addressed, or was it ~ during the boat's survey? It sounds terrible. Cheers from Western Australia 🇦🇺.
I'd go out on a limb and say they are delrin not nylon ,nylon does not hold up to UV and absorbs water. I machined ones up for every pivot point on my boat, stops all the squeaking with a dab of teflon grease
People if you buy something it doesn’t last forever. If your purchase is a vehicle or boat you have to replace parts and maintain it . The frame of a house , suspension on a vehicle or the frame work of a boat does stay the same from the factory for ever. Yes engineers make mistakes , parts wear down . One thing for sure a boat is like a poker game, your just getting started with the buy in.
Oh man! The boat is not breaking tomorrow and they are not sailing in rough conditions tomorrow. They can fix the boat in the next months. So teaching them how to sail safely is a good thing!
@@Taugtaug Actually I would say the boat is already broken , not structurally sound and not seaworthy at all combined with an inexperienced crew . Prudence would have one assume the worst . I would not take it out in anything but calm seas and under power to deliver it to get emergency inspections and repairs .
A couple of things. First, everyone calm down. That boat is not going to break in half and sink. The boat is flexing, yes. Would it be nice if the boat didn't flex, of course. It's probable that the bulkhead tabbing (or lack of proper tabbing) needs to be improved, but it's not the end of the world. It's extremely unlikely they've had a bulkhead failure anything like Parlay. Second, It's not just Lagoon. Most production cats (AKA cats built for the charter market) are built to the lightest and cheapest standard the builder thinks they can get away with. Of the big 3, lagoon, leopard and FP, Leopard is probably the strongest. But still, even Leopard is built to a price point, and strong bulkheads and ocean worthy tabbing cost money. I'm currently in Linton Bay Panama with my FP which was built too lightly, and then massively overtensioned by a rigger. I can see parlay just looking out my window. On the way here from the Bahamas, my boat was making noises that would put that lagoon to shame. Literally had to yell at each other to be heard across the salon. 750 miles across open ocean to get here, and never felt unsafe. Also had a buddy boat a radio call away, because I'm not an idiot. Noises suck, flexing sucks, but that Lagoon can be fixed with much less work than most of you seem to think.
You’re worrying about a washer in the halyard assembly when the bulkheads are shearing in half? They’re finishing up a refit? As in preparation for a passage? Why is this boat sailing? That is some sheer unadulterated lunacy my friend.
The thing to remember is, this multi hull is not the only brand with problems, it's just been pushed to the fore by owners needing to fess up given the publicity of the problems . Over 7 years ago bulkheads and hull separations were a well know issue with different brands, but where kept quiet by owners who spent big dollars on these craft buying then fixing and later selling. Back then if you mentioned these, or other issues you where shot down with a concerted barrage of accusations by cat owners . We are also starting to see Catamaran owners coming forward to inform people of the emerging cons of multi hulls. It comes back around to the Bluewater boats v the deadly production boats, where do the multi hulls fit into this?. So many questions and only recently have we seen the truthful answers. The physical forces exerted on a multihull are significantly greater than that of monohulls, Push any boat to its limits, and you will cause stress and breakages, most Cruising cats are overloaded and sailed hard. Just because a cat can do 10 knots or more doesn't mean you should, most are happy doing less. The only way to fix a problem is transparency. While owners keep issues with their boats quiet, to protect there investment, future owners are being hoodwinked into thinking the multihull is the perfect cruising vessel.
I’d rather buy the cheapest Italian boat than any French product, especially if it is built to RINA standards. But in the catamaran category there are some good if not excellent products from manufacturers all around the world - except French products.
That's silly , Fountain Pajot make a fantastic boat and have a great reputation. I own a 1987 46' casamance and after several trans Atlantic passages the entire Mediterranean and the whole of the Caribbean have had no issues .
Outremer is French and makes fantastic cats. Marsaudon Composites is also French. They also make fantastic boats. And I'm pretty sure there are more reputable French boat builders. But Lagoon is obviously utter crap.
never a dull moment there bud lol🙊🙉🙈🤙 Plus people i don't think these people will be doing any serious ocean crossings, so this double canoe is a good starter boat. not everyone can afford a sexzy ship like Zingaro!
What I would like see is you and the new owners sitting down and watching Parley Revival's bulkhead inspection and repair videos. Including the one saying what Lagoon will do for them. Do not take that boat offshore. It's broken and you know it. Your credibility is at stake here.
nothing is expensive to millionaires like these boat owners im more interested in seeing you and your beautiful crew on your boat while your still not a greedy millionaire yet
Guess the owners bought this without a survey and a pity you weren't able to do these trials with them before they spent big bucks. Previous owners saw them coming and maybe some criminality here.
Lagoon have pledged to assist with repairs to bulkheads surely you should be exposing the damage to them, not listening to it? Instead you're replacing some bloody washers! I bet you would't dream of doing an ocean crossing in that boat? Sorry but this channel has nose dived since Kim has gone. Poor entertainment bye bye Zingaro!
I definitely cringed watching him beat that bolt with a hammer! Always leave the nut on when hitting a bolt with a hammer....will save you alot of aggravation later.
Odd channel this these days?....no continuity.... new crew vanishing as quickly as they appeared...no updates on Zingaro........not sure what's going on but it feels like every video is from a different channel
They should be glassed in the first place not glued and that’s the exact problem with many mass production boats. In the sea going vessels words like quick (to mass produce), cheap (material choices/working methods), light (often leads to less structural integrity) etc. should not be used. The bottom line is you cannot, or you can, but shouldn’t, use the same mind set as building a car or a house…you can step out of your house and your car anytime you will, on boat you can’t. And that’s the whole point and underlying reason why every forum is full of “what’s blue water vessel” 🤷🏻♂️
