Clarification and Correction: The Blender data is in cycles per second so higher is better, and the Resolve chart data @ 9:40 is backwards. The Mac had the faster 3:30 output time.
I think you are doung something wrong with your pc if the fans ramp up under audio editing. My 12600k stays completely silent. I have cooler master 140mm fans. Cant hear my pc except if i do like prime95. Then you hear a silent whisper.
@@AndrewTSq No offense but you can't compare a I5 to a 32 core Threadripper. It heats up fast and has a much lower tjMax so has to be cooled more aggressively.
I've noticed Asahi Linux has been working on the M1 laptops for a while now; apparently, you can install it along side MacOS without it missing with the security features on the Mac. I've wondered how far you can go with Asahi on the new Studio. It's obviously going to be very bare bones since its in Alpha, but still interesting to see how it does.
Main purpose of this Mac is for video editing, which would be even worse on Linux since non of the things he uses are there. But he does have Mac Mini which he can try Asahi out on just to see how it is (like he did with Ubuntu on Framework).
@@nnnnnn3647 Yep, they offer hardware video accelerator for video encoding and decoding in M1 Ultra and than compared it to RTX 3090 and said it could beat the best discrete GPU in PC market…………Like bruh
If that's the case, Apple would be bankrupt by now .... you seem to have #AppleDerangementSyndrome. In fact, Apple doesn't care about RU-vidrs, or they wouldn't make iPhone SE3.
New subscriber here. I like your content and delivery, and I'm looking forward to comparing your results with my own (my base model M1 Studio Max arrives tomorrow).
This "Monster" PC isn't exactly a monster by today standards - it is a generation behind current hardware in both CPU and GPU and will be 2 generations behind by the end of this year.
@@-aexc- My expectations were probably warped due to all the magic Apple pixie dust. It is very efficient, though - efficiency isn't important to me, however so I'd just pick the 3050 for half the price.
@@tehpigez7551 Yeah the biggest advantages for a lot of these 1st generation m1 devices is the energy efficiency. For running off of solar systems or battery banks or an RV, or on the road or on location, or at a jobsite, or a really expensive market where energy bills are an issue especially with something like a lab environment, these make way more sense than custom PC builds. For an individual that is debatable, but for someone who doesn’t want to or can’t source PC parts for a comparable price, it definitely makes sense to get one of these. For someone who can source decent parts at a decent price, then it’s up in the air which is a better buy for sure.
Fantastic video as always. I know more is coming so I'll wait. My biggest question is what about PCI expansion. There are many PCI cards that provide valuable functionality and proprietary hardware. Has the landscape changed that much where usb is the new link, or will this be a problem for those with PCI cards. Great video again.
Nice video! I can see where this is going...to the basement...where Threadripper is going to keep the spiders warm in the winter 😆. As someone who has an x399 system, and as much as I love Threadripper, it does consume power and warm up the office. I think I'm about to watch another PC person be assimilated in his creative work tasks (the same as happened to me) and you'll keep your PCs for gaming. Constructive criticism below (please don't hate me): The graph for Blender 3.1 @11:44 and your statements didn't make sense to me as I would think a 28-core TR would crush the M1 Max unless the rendering was done only on the GPU. Wasn't sure of the scale and if higher is better or lower is better. Btw, the graphs being the same purple/violet as the Monterrey background made it a difficult read. Maybe a contrasting color would work better next time. Keep up the great work!
Apple has the chips licked down, even with all the extra cooling they will not let enough power go to the studio keeping it locked to MacBook pro thermal performance. They will not feed it the power it needs. Hopefully with the Mac pro they will.
Conclusion: apple wins in perf per watt, cool operation during intensive video compute, and has a leading igpu, but x86 + dedicated graphics wins in other tasks such 3D modeling, gaming, etc. So Mac “studio” is a bit of a misnomer as some studios would be much better served by x86 + dedicated graphics.
The M1 architecture is still very new, especially compared to x86. This is just the beginning, most software (especially 3D modeling) is no where near optimized for the M1 Ultra.
One of these platforms having a faster workflow is what it is. The one think you also have to think about is upkeep and repairs. If your PC is in need of an upgrade, you are only limited by what you can afford to upgrade to. If your mac studio needs an upgrade, a higher specced mac is the only party in town. If something on your pc breaks, you can either fix it yourself, or take to a third party repair shop you trust. You can't do either with the mac studio. In fact to restore the os on the mac studio you need a second mac. I used to love apple. Not so much anymore.
Just subscribed! I also picked up the same base model Mac Studio, it’s replacing an M1 Mini for Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Resolve Studio, and I’d like to start learning Blender3D. I’d love to see you try out FCP, they still have a 90-day trial I believe, and get your perspective. I’ve tried editing in Resolve, but just can’t stand how slow it feels compared to Final Cut, but perhaps this new system will change my mind. Thanks for the informative look at your new Mac Studio!
As a professional video editor is M2 Mac Mini 8-Core CPU 10-Core GPU with 24 GB RAM and 512 GB SSD is a better option than M2 Mac mini Pro 10-Core CPU 16-Core GPU 16GB RAM and 512 GB SSD for 4k/6k video editing ? please let me know that!
Why is the headphone socket on the back? They put a lot of thought into that one……I thought they were the design and ergonomic geniuses, then again they only have one “pro” headphone so you shouldn’t using the socket once, and if you want to use the headphones somewhere else? Then buy a second pair probably…
@@sharonb.9128 good question, mmm, Apple don’t make pro grade monitor speakers or even pro grade soundcards so it doesn’t need a speaker(line) output then, there we have it! In the Apple world you should only listen to music on headphones with their Apple Binaural codec that imitates 16 loudspeakers with two clamped to your head, how silly of me, should have thought of that immediately, how dare I call myself a professional sound engineer, I’m obviously not in the Apple eco-system, oh well , have to retire now, have been at it for 45 years….
@@murraywebster1228 you may be a sound engineer, but you lack good sense. “Apple don’t make pro grade monitor speakers”. So all those ports are only for APPLE PRODUCTS??? Thanks…now where is my usb-a Apple keyboard?
Good video, found your analysis of apple's misleading charts really on point, is like comparing regular fuel efficient cars to super cars that go faster but use more gas per mph to do it and say the slower but more efficient car is better in a race is not cause is gonna finish last even if it use half the gas, energy efficiency is not something that consumers or even studios care they care about speed, efficientcy is more for a server and large deployments, kinda tired of apples endless "relative performance" (what does that even mean) charts
Thank you for the review! This is the first video I saw about game dev using Mac studio. Just got a m1 mac mini to try out my unreal project,wow~~only has 3fps..and even my old PC with 1060 3gb can do 30fps..wonder if m1 max can do a better job, well,,seems not quite from your scores.
When comparing Apples charts with your benchmarks you should keep in mind that you are testing the base model M1 Max with 24 GPU cores and Apple was of course referencing the 32 Core Model which has 33% more Performance.
I tried connecting my Orico enclosures which all work with my hack and Intel iMac, none of them work on my M1 Max Macbook Pro. So I am not going to buy a Mac Studio until I found a way to connect my enclosures to it.
seems like if you felt like spending $6k on a PC, you wouldn't mind spending the same amount on a Mac, and see how much you get for dollar per dollar. Just a thought.
No because regardless of what I could spend I couldn't build the Mac to my specific needs and wants. The Mac may be a better tool for a specific job, but the PC is an entire toolbox with many tools and room for more.
I am not an Apple user. The last Apple I used was a IIe. Yes, I am that old. However I believe that SD card reader is USB 2. You might not want to blame your SD card for being slow. You might want to by an external SD card reader that is USB 3.
No it's definetly half duplex UHS-II or it wouldn't get over 90 Mb/s. I did miss speak in the video and said full duplex. Full duplex is 156Mb/s, half duplex is 312 Mb/s. It seems backwards but it's about the bus operating in 2 directions or a single direction at once.
I think at this point, for those of us who watch this kind of mac review videos, we know the specs, ins and outs and benchmarks etc. ... So why not offer smth new and real world testing. Creating benchmarks pays your bills?
No, sorry, I finished this edit at 4 AM and missed that mistake, I got the numbers reversed. I pinned a comment correcting it but I know that isn't entirely helpful to most ppl.
Poor compatibility with peripherals is never OK. Especially when third party peripherals are almost always cheaper and you can find many that are better for your own use case.
Most of them do work, they just don’t “guarantee” they will work perfectly because obviously they had nothing to do with production or design of those products? I mean have you ever heard Microsoft promising that every pos off brand and poorly designed peripheral device will work? Of course they don’t! That’s why consumers leave reviews on products! It’s a weird criticism to expect a company to guarantee third party products they have nothing to do with should function as advertised? Has nothing to do with Apple. I don’t know of any Linux distro or Windows manufacturer that GUARANTEES that every peripheral they didn’t create will work?
@@ghost-user559Most peripherals, even thunderbolt ones, use USB protocols. USB is a standard, if both parties follow the standard, then everything should work. Most peripherals, in fact, can and do work with Apple products, their statement of questionable compatibility is obviously so they can sell you their own products.
@@stuartlunsford7556 Sometimes, however more often than not with Apple it’s actually hardware and software that make the product they sell “more compatible” and not the ports or connectivity. An excellent example is that you can use any mouse or trackpad, but Apple designed the OS for gesture support and firmware for THEIR peripherals, and although another trackpad or mouse works, it is up to that brand to provide firmware updates or a software suite like Logitech does to program that mouse with gestures or hot keys. So a lot of it isn’t necessarily that a device is “incompatible”, it’s more that it’s full feature sets are not baked into the OS like Apple engineered products are. Another example is Touch ID, which although there are likely third party biometrics, obviously for security purposes they are not baked into or allowed Access to Mac OS, whereas any keyboard with native Touch ID is designed to speak to the OS at a secure level to unlock a device. Another example is many drives sold for general use or windows products and other manufacturers are formatted ExFAT or something when you buy it, and Apple branded devices like GDrive are often HFS or APFS or something that is optimized for MacOS and gets significantly better performance and better recognition from the OS out of the box because it is properly formatted to work with and back up Apple drives. So you can use anything, but most Apple users prefer native Apple solutions where available because they truly do provide a better experience with more features, although you sacrifice variety and you must pay what they are asking for the device.
Not sure you really answered the question posed on your video. Will it replace it or not? You did non real world geeky sounding benchmarks and bizarrely compared it to a different computer you have? Why? But no real answers.
2:28 - This analogy makes no sense. If you can afford a $2k computer, you can afford to spend 10% more on “menmory”. Ok. But then If you CAN’T afford $4 gas, spend $60k on a electric car? So spending 10% or $200 more is your analogy is the SAME as spending x10,000,000% or $60k on a electric car. Your 2 examples couldn’t be further apart.
i really dig everything about your channel but why do you end every single one of your videos with "stay safe"? seems a bit on the nose. thats just my view tho.
Eso es una porquería lo que no queremos son cables por encima del escritorio porque no hace un todo en uno mas grande por la parte trasera que se pudiera ampliar vamos como los cangrejos
Always choose the tools that work best of you. Thing is it is going to take time for the hardware, macOS/UNIX, and application software to be optimized. Thing is I was looking very hard at possibly purchasing a base line Mac Studio with 2TB SSD storage with a Studio Monitor. Love it when young people talk about the cost. When adjusted for inflation the Apple Mac Studio, Studio Monitor would've cost me less than my original Macintosh purchased in 1984. Thing is as a normal just do not need all that power, and I live in the consumer desktop part of the grid. That is why I purchased purchase a Macbook Air M1 chip with 8‑core CPU, 7‑core GPU, and 16‑core Neural Engine, 16GB unified memory, 2TB SSD storage. With external monitor to replace my iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2014). Another thing that is not often looked at is the total cost of ownership which includes the power need to run the equipment, and to cool the room. Also the Mac Studio is dead silent. Thing is feel this Mac Studio design may have been made to contain an Intel processor that Intel did not deliver on time. So with the Apple M series processor is never going to overheat in this design.
How is the Davinci editing with M1 Max @ 32GB ram? I plan to buy it only for Davinci, Lightroom and Affinity Photo. Or should go with 64GB? Im considering 64GB and 32 cores if needed, that is why im asking 😃. I don't care about hard drive, I might do edits from external drives.
Good presentation. Two minor but important quibbles. Blender has enabled GPU rendering for the Mac M1, but it’s hardly optimized. I’ve heard that a fully optimized version of Blender won’t be out into the fall. And Tomb Raider isn’t running natively. It runs on Rosetta, so hardly ideal.
I'm hard pressed. If really think a 3090 or 3080 ti or even 3080. The various versions the 3080. If an upgrade to one of the GPU's vs a mac studio. You can't go wrong either way. Yes the 3090 and 3080 is hard to get. But you can the 3090 for not much more than $2000. Especially since GPUs are going down now. But then you have to have the rest of the hardware to support a 3090 like a 850W PSU or more.
i486 I have to say I never heard anyone calling it that way. I mean I have read it in magazines as i486, usually in ads of stores, but never really actually heard anyone back then calling it that. Funny. You had a 486 in 1990? Well, someone was well off! Good for you! One thing that all? Americans (and not only) seem to forget about power cost is that not everyone lives in a country where electricity is so cheap. I am not complaining, just making an observation. It reminds me of the cost to fill in tank of a car in USA where you pay as much for a gallon of oil as we pay for a litre, if that. Having said that, I do wonder how it compares with the Mac Studio with the Ultra inside, performance and power and noise. Thanks for the video, it was a joy to listen to you.
I got a ryzen3900x, 64gb 3200 memory, 8tb ssd's, 4tb spinning harddrives, nvidia 3090. And THAT will cost 7-8000 dollars with a mac, while this setup cost 5000 dollars. And, once there will be a AMD ryzen 5900x3D available I will get that and plug it in. Simple, the Mac, wont replace my PC. I need the amount of memory, and I need the fast SSD. and if I need anything more, I get new memory chips eg. 128gb and plug it in. None of this can Apple do.
I don't think Apple is missing an opportunity in the MBPs and the Studio for 3D modeling, compositing and rendering....The Studio is best for video editing but improvements in Metal optimization in programs like Blender (among others) will likely extend the Mac Studio Ultra's 3D capability. However, I think next Mac Pro will be the World-class 3D box...but at an out of this World price point. Basically, the M1 SoC subverted everyones expectation regarding Apple Silicon's potential...the Pro, Max and Ultra variants are incremental "upgrades". Who knows what Apple may unleash with the next M-series SoC.
I hope it goes well for you. And as DarkRanger talked about, Asahi Linux is out so you can try that out on your Mac Mini to see how that experience is like.
That was a great review. I have watched several reviews, so many that I almost did not watch yours. You did a some things that no one else has. Pointing out that the size is good for people with racks that are designed for the Mac Mini. Working with your system: a couple of monitors, keyboard, speakers, storage, etc. This is something I have asked for with another tester. You talked about the heat and power use between the two computers, something not talked about or brushed off by others. If you work in a large air conditioned building that probably won’t be an issue. In a small room designed for sound it is. Those acoustic tiles are good insulators trapping in heat. Portable A/Cs use a lot of power and create a lot of sound (there are a few videos on just how bad they are). Living in FL there are no basements to place heat generating equipment. Upgradability is important to a lot of people. You pointed out that some of the components cost more then the Mac. How often do you upgrade your computer and how much money do you spend? It will take a few years to see how quickly Apple upgrades their silicon in the Mac line. It is possible that it will be cheaper to replace a Mac Studio than to upgrade a PC every few years. The Apple vs Unreal lawsuit could be a deterrent for makers of 3D design software to optimize for Macs.
Love that you're doing this. Would love to see what software developing is like on this. When the M1 Macbook pro came out people saw gains immediately. Though i appreciate that isn't part of your workflow!
Thank you for the quality content! The non biased conclusions, and also covering many in depth details while still breaking it down for the people that are not very technical. You're Killing it!
Good morning CJ I have recently discovered your channel. I love your videos. I think that your reviews very informative and I just truly feel like you are very knowledgeable in this field. I am a music hobbyist . I am also a Caricature artist that use a Cintiq to draw with. I have a 27 inch iMac 2019 version that I am planning on replacing. I am wanting one of the new faster M1 chips I plan on buying the base model max studio to try and future proof on my computer set up so I don’t have to try And keep up with the constant updates. I hope to be able to use the max studio for years to come. This is why I am going a little bit overkill. I think I could get by with the M1 Mac Mini but do not want to have to replace it in a few years I would like to be able to keep a computer for at least 6 to 7 years if not longer. I am thinking if I buy the Mac Studio, having more than I need, will give me room to grow into . I would like to get your professional opinion.
The HDMI outputs will only mirror the displays, but I can extend to a second display from the TB downstream port. However, I'm going to return it because the TB input is on the front which is awkward and dosen't make sense.
@@ElevatedSystems ya I just saw a second video after yours about the extending. Also connected and disconnected a lot. CalDigit looks like it’s the best one for M1.
It is too bad you did not get the M1 Ultra version of the Mac Studio as I would have really liked to have seen that head to head with your workstation PC.
@@ElevatedSystems surely you can optimize it down a bunch even in idle though, no? even after pump, fans, hdds and even conversion losses i feel like it shouldn't draw more than ~50W at the plug in idle
I look forward to seeing your tests! From what I can tell with the reviews if you are a video editor, you will love any of the M1 Pro, Max or Ultra CPUs. If you are like me and record/mix audio and you aren't married to Logic Pro, they are not a big deal. I have an i7 Mac Mini because my friend uses Logic but I also use Reaper. All the Logic fans are going crazy about running over 135 tracks with 4-5 plugins. My AMD 5800x/32GB RAM Windows desktop can handle way over that without blinking. As a test, I imported a stereo 24bit/44.1 wav file with 5 plugins (reverb, EQ, multicompressor, limiter and delay) using Reaper 6. Duplicated that up to just over 400 tracks (1635 FX plugins) and the CPU was only up to 45% usage. Maybe the desktop isn't as sleek and small as a Mac but dollar for dollar performance, my $1700 desktop has no problem with a heavy workload. Did I mention I can add more storage on the fly and not resort to using external storage. A 4TB 7200rpm drive can be purchased for $100. Again I'm not crapping on Apple but just giving my opinion for Audio production users.
"I couldn't afford a Mac", so I bought a 6000$ PC... ok Very interesting video, this machine is triggering a lot of questions, Apple's ideal data charts vs real life usage.
