Mac Studio and Studio Display: a dream and a nightmare 

all kinds of protection. okay sorry that was insensitive.

@The Verge: Apple doesn't use "Micro LED" (9:07) on the MacBook Pro and iPad Pro. It uses Mini LED - a small but important distinction. "Words have meanings." - Nilay Patel (March 17, 2022)

The Wii was 2 gamecube ducktaped together. Does that count ?

chocolate bars?

Depression and anxiety.

Came here to say this!

Dieter and I realized we'd be friends within like 30 seconds of meeting each other because of things like this ;)

@@reckless1280 just wanna say that ur interview with the Wordpress CEO was amazing. You have a knack for getting people to just feel chill.

@@reckless1280 truly the greatest love story of our generation

Apple: Edge of the inner edge is an edge, think differently.

Have to agree, and I'm not even a Mac user. Yet.... I think the multiple viewpoints added a lot, and the benchmarks weren't dwelled upon. Great work Verge team!

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Could be worded better. They kept on saying “fusing two GPU’s together” rather than the whole SOC

Yep, this was an A+ review. Thorough and honest.

Definitely one of the best reviews ever I would say. Great introduction to many of the key people at The Verge was a bonus. Team effort for sure.

Some people think pen tablets are hype and learned on mice instead. I think Wacom tablets are too expensive for what they do.

He has mastered the mouse, wonder if he ever plays FPS games. He could probably frag out.

@@Harvester88 probably not on a Mac, unfortunately, but maybe that’s all about to change. I think it’s just a matter of practice on fine tuning the mouse. If he’s been using macs since OS9, it’s likely he uses a low DPI setting on the mouse. Back in the day, CRT iMacs used to come stock with really really low DPI settings out of the box. In my old digital and photo digital imaging classes, these were always set really low and it helps a lot.

You get used to that.

@@Harvester88I do play a lot of fps games lmao can't believe all that time was actually productive in the end. incredible

You could say they covered all their bases, from edge to edge.

@@caryrabbit 🤣🤣🤣

Thoroughness? You may be right with everything else except the GPU part. 1. It is proved that Geekbench Compute doesn’t ramp up apple silicon soon enough before it completes the benchmark. 2. Gaming is neither advertised nor considered by Apple for comparing it with a 3090 because they know very few, if any AAA games are optimised for Apple silicon and all of them including Tomb Raider are running through Rosetta. There were absolutely no real world professional use case comparison with a 3090.

No High refresh is probably not Apples fault tho. 5K is literally almost TWICE the resolution of 4K. Not just a bit more. And since Apple wants stuff to be simple and use Thunderbolt for that - the currently can't do that because TB4 simply does not support 5K at 120Hz.

They’re selling a product that you can’t buy anywhere else so there’s that. What company sells a unique product for cheap? That’s basic marketing people.

Well, it’s meant to compete with the LG UltraFine 5K that retails for $1299. You pay a premium for the Thunderbolt connectivity. Also, it has a great webcam built-in. This is also not meant for the average consumer. Someone who has a lot of money and wants the Apple-only aesthetic will love this monitor.

It also has great built-in speakers.

Idk if I'm off base, but it seems like the new Alienware 34" QD-OLED is only $1,300. Why would anyone choose Apple?! QD OLED is a new technology 3 generations beyond the new apple display (LCD > Dimming zones > OLED > QD OLED). I'm perplexed.

Exactly, without filling the chips with threads there is no point.

The Verge isn't really interested in doing their reviews properly or finding out WHY there's a problem in cases like this.

Hi! We ran the npbench Python test, which supports Numba. (Indeed, we all had to install Numba on various machines.) We'll keep poking at it, there's always a chance we did something wrong.

@@reckless1280 A lot of the people who are in that "really want a 5k display for its resolution @2x" are iOS/macOS engineers. Would love to see input from an indie dev and project compilation times of Swift in Xcode in addition to Python in the future.

​@@reckless1280 Using Numba doesn't automatically mean multithreading. I've never seen npbench before, but a very quick look at the source code seems to suggest they're not doing parallelization at all, since there's no @jit and no manual thread spawning from what I can tell.

True That

Sem dúvida. Não estava esperando esse nível de detalhes.

Is there anything you wish was different about the Mac Studio or the Studio display? Follow up thought: I wish apple would have a Mac mini option with an m1 pro. Right now it feels like quite the gap in between those two lines. (Mac mini/Mac studio)

Can you give us some feedback on the noise the studio generates under load? Can you tell when the fans ramp up? Also - do you think the intake being on the underside will cause issues in the long run as it inevitably gets filled with dust? Especially since there is no way to open the Studio and clean it properly.

@@reopru We weren't in the quitest environment when I was using the studio so take with a grain of salt. I'd say it's fairly quiet, def wasn't noticeable with everything else going on but I didn't spend time with it in a personal office / bedroom situation. I'm not too sure about the vents, I'd say it's something to consider of course but I'm not usually worried about these things with computers (not the best, I know)

@@AlNemec I'm surprised that Apple hasn't made these displays with a higher refresh rate. Seems pretty ridiculous to have such an expensive display that's only 60hz. It was a really clear display but personally I'd pick any number of other displays before buying from Apple.

@@LexAstro cheers, thank you for sharing your impressions!

Gotta pin this comment! Can two comments be pinned? If not, this one's more important than the other and should be the one at the top instead.

But they don't understand the benchmarks. It's a problem.

@@danispringer RU-vid isn't letting me reply with a link (my comments with a simple Reddit comment link keep getting autodeleted), so I'm going to quote the Redditor MrTimscampi on this topic and then my own reply him. MrTimscampi: "Indeed, but The Verge's entire methodology is flawed here. They mention "real world" testing using Puget's benchmarking tools. Puget's own website mentions: "Adobe Photoshop version 20.x, 21.x, 22.x, 23.x. M1 Native version is not yet supported" for the Photoshop one. The Puget bench for Premiere is still fixing bugs on M1 as recently as the latest version, and the article doesn't even specify which version they used for the test. Since they're running other stuff in Rosetta 2 and not mentioning it, are they even running a native version of Premiere here? They don't mention fairly important information, like which Python and NumPy versions their NPBench is running on How is Geekbench configured? Which backend are they using for the compute tests? Why does the Boxx Apexx 4 not have CineBench scores? For the Tomb Raider part, they mention that "it does emphasize that if you’re running a computing load that relies primarily on a heavy-duty GPU, the Mac Studio is probably not the best choice". There is no mention of it running through Rosetta 2 or the DirectX to Metal translation layer the port uses, which would lead to worse performance overall. I get that there's no "perfect" benchmarking tool for this, but the entire way the review presents the benchmarks is misleading and lacks vital information to make sense of the numbers. And yes, it's partly Apple's fault for providing graphics that are misleading by omission. But you'd expect a tech-focused publication like The Verge to actually do their due diligence and properly run (and document) their benchmarks. You'd also expect all the other tech-focused publications to point out the flaws in methodology that are everywhere in that piece. I don't know, maybe watching too much Gamers Nexus influenced what I'm looking for in benchmarks, but this all feels really amateurish for somebody whose job revolves around benchmarking systems." My reply: "To add to your list, they didn't include the 4K Shadow of the Tomb Raider results for the RTX 3090 system, despite the fact that the 4K results would be the most GPU-bound and therefore the best way to compare the 3090 with the M1 Ultra's GPU performance with that particular benchmark. In addition, their scientific workload didn't emphasize multithreaded performance at all, and they seemed completely oblivious to the fact that all they had tested there was single-threaded performance."

Nah it isn‘t they called it a giant gpu with double the cpu cores and things like this…

iMac Pro, with fast Intel processor and fast gpu too. Great for Windows apps, and Windows games too. M1 means Boot Camp is gone, 100% Windows compatibility is *GONE* .

Colour grading seems a bit more... natural, as well? Or, washed out? It doesn't seem as contrasty as before. New look though.

SOrry, forgot about Becca. Becca should review everything until further notice.

If it had one more thunderbolt port, I’d buy it. I’ll have to spend that much on quality designer display and dock, but since I don’t care about 5k, I have little interest.

Actually, it may be one of the more accurate displays in that price range, as I’ve done some digging.