@@thunberbolttwo3953 UK has always been a hindrance, we dont like each other anyways so its good the UK leaves the block, good for both parties once the finacial corrections are made
@@thunberbolttwo3953 Not rly..The UK while being a big economy and military was never a core of the EU..And at least for the last 30 years UK acted more like the US 51'th state and less so as an EU member
@@NegruRW Yet the eu wants a military. Jus like any other nation. No the UK does not act like the 51st state of the us. yes with the Uks economy gone. That will hurt the eu.
@@lilyydotdev iceland is basically in, like norway or switzerland... However they are not completely in since internal referendum blocked the process... Even so, they have lots of treaties that are deepening our relationships
@@drafmine4526 That's putting it kindly. As an EU citizen, I'm feeling a bit like we've been dumped by an abusive partner: first you wanted them to stay, but once they're gone, you realize how much better off you are without them.
I don't like the idea of more countries leaving the EU. I think organisations like the EU are a great idea, and they lower tensions at least somewhat. It works towards peace, and I love it. I love the idea. As an American whose country is known for strict border control, the idea of the Schengen Area (or however you spell it) is really appealing to me.
When the other EU countries see how the UK is messing things up after Brexit, no-one will want to leave.
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Pretty much. If British economy collapses after Coronavirus, with no chance of relief from the EU, everyone will just say : "Nah, it's not in our interest"
I read somewhere uk threw a total of 1712 vetoes through its membership blocking 72 efforts of European integration, 29 tries to form a European defense, 11 tries to combat money laundering and 38 votes on common curreny stability. So undoubtfully YES, Europe is better off.
Think again, the UK has always been in the lead for controlling greater EU integration, We have never wanted a common currency. We have never wanted a common army We have never wanted a United States of Europe now other countries that do not want these things such as Sweden will have to man up. If God had meant for the UK to be part of the EU he would never have created the English Channel
Let's count! Thumbs up if you like the idea of an UE superstate 👍 Please comment why this horizon of European integration is a great or terrible idea. I usually listen to analysts but I don't know how common Europeans feel about this issue.
The United Europe would be a counterweight to Chinas authoritarianism and the USes plutocratic tendencies. Which is sorely needed for our shared values to be lived long term. We need a welfare superstate that proves the viability and economic strength of a social state.
I believe in more cooperation in pan-European interests, such as defence, but I think I would stop short at a superstate. This is because I believe the EU needs to be more flexible than a true federal state would allow. The US for example has stagnated for many reasons, but one is it's a lot more work to change things at the federal level than at the state level, but too many people there don't see state-level changes as being worthwhile. I believe each country in the EU needs enough freedom to be able to enact meaningful changes for itself, including leaving if it truely believes being in the EU is against its best interests. The motivation to stay should not be law, but rather all the benefits of the EU, the foremost being the single market. The UK leaving is tragic and irrational, but the right to do so is important.
For me the clincher is that competition rules will change. I didn't know it was due to British influence, but for years I have been baffled by the EU's blocking integration of firms up to a size capable of competing with US and other countries, with the result that the European firms go to the wall and the outside competitor grabs the European market.
MalloonTarka The term Federalism means a system with devolved local authority as well as a superstructure. Therefore your argument that each state needs enough freedom is an argument for Federalism. In American history, traditionally, the Democrats were in favour of more devolution whilst the Republicans favoured more centralised powers in keeping with their more authoritarian orientation. Don’t confuse the term federal with centralised power, Federalism actually means the opposite.
I find all the power shifting fascinating. It's something I never gave thought to. If anything I think the Brexit debacle showed mostly negative consequences for any EU sceptic member.
There is a new single issue party in Italy for the first time. With polls showing over 70% would prefer to leave. So that will be interesting. Macron himself said that if there was a referendum, France would vote to leave. That was something like 18 months ago and it bas got worse since. Also Germany is facing a bill 42% higher and are in a legal row as EU law breaches their own sovreignty in law. Both of these are having a massive effect. German simply cannot afford the EU. Instead of cutting the cost to cloth, the EU are raising their budget and trying to seize it from countries on the border of technical recession even before Covid. The EU share of global GDP has shrunk since Britain voted to leave. As predicted . If it continued, even aside from the UK exit, it was predicted to collapse EU GDP to 7.5 to 10% by around 2030. Thanks to Covid and next, a no deal Brexit, that existential crisis is closer.
@@dominicfastbender4029 just a precision to Macron's comment. I believe it to be accurate : a referedum hold on this matter would lead to a no but mostly as a response to the gouvernement actions not as a reflect on EU belonging. Ref might become in countries not accustomed to it as a dangerous plebiscite, more so in France where contestation on any level is historicly high. ( I don't know if made myself clear).
Younger generations across the continent are extremely pro EU. Wait and we will see a european state within the next 40 years. If it will comprise all current states maybe a different but not essential question.. it’s not black or white as many people claim it is.
Yes. It will be much more unified and less chaotic. The Brits still have a sense of entitlement and exceptionalism that they don't realise no longer holds any weight. Disappeared at the end of WW2, never to be seen again. End Rule Britannia...
@So Angry Man just because we feel European it doesn't mean we "dance to Germany's tune" Germany is the biggest powerhouse in europe so it's natural that it has most of the power but we all have representation in the EU and it's fine for me. We do better together that getting stuck in old outdated nationalisim.
@silverfoxeater Well Germany has done some shit in the last fifty years under the EU umbrella like selling greece several sinfully expensive submarines, when the only country they even would WANT to defend themselves against with is TURKEY which has been a NATO member longer than Greece is in the EU... those billions did not benefit the decrepit greece finances one bit and as far as i know no german politician was for letting those debts be reduced when the financial crisis loomed. BUT that was just exploiting a desire for armament greece had anyway, not sure if letting france or India or the US deliver comparable boats would have changed anything about the financial situation, when Greece did not really think about such problems at that time... Germany has not forced them to order such boats or to agree to the price or anything, they were just the one getting the order. It takes two to Tango and all large EU countries are massive arms exporters, amongst the biggest in the world actually... with the US insistence on an arbitrary and not especially useful 2% GDP rule for defense spending (paying a lot of money for the military should not be as important as definitive contributions to missions and readyness status, so eff that shit!) it wouldn't let even Greece out of such a debt-trap if they only bought handguns or pocket knifes from the lowest pricing company on the planet. Would just have to be A LOT of handguns.
@JCO2able Racist? What is racist in asking a person to write in their own language when their attempts to communicate in a 2nd language is too challenging? You really must try harder.
@@licheong i doubt it. South European countries simply need assistance in reforms and they can become just as rich. And they are a majority! Besides they have much more capability in solar economy and tourism. And in agriculture they could become Europeans breadbasket if you just take Romania or Poland as example.
If it means that finally Europe will focus on being competitive, I am all in. It's sad to follow how Europe became a follower instead of one of the leades.
Are we on the world stage or internally (EU as an insntitution and its' member states). And is it by trade or as a political superpower, or everything combined?
@Nspnspker I'm not British. Europe interest rates are in the negative for a reason. And Europe chooses to lag the world for a reason. I'd love it not to be true, but as I get older I have no faith in Europe's markets. The US, China, and Japan will lead the way, Europe will continue to limp behind.
@@davidthompson1369 Socialist countries need to be protectionist as their industries cannot compete with more liberal countries. For example can you imagine what would happen to the majority of EU car makers if the EU signed a free trae deal with japan and they had to compete? As things are going the EU will collapse in on itself as itself as 50 years of socialist policies reach their logical conclusions most of the EU is already an economic basket case.
It's sad to see Europeans bashing Europe or the EU. It's like they're ashamed of who they are when in reality Europe has caught up the US since WW2! Airbus and so many other companies are European success stories. Ideally we would have our own Hollywood, pan-European TV networks and GAFA. That might come in time...
From everything mentioned in this video my conclusion is that the EU will be better off without the UK, if the reforms and investments continue there is a lot of potential for a unified Europe, I especially like the idea of pan-european competitors against the US and China's mega corporates, I believe that the EU can arrive at a balance between the US' economy ruled government and China's government ruled economy.
This is what I fear about the UK leaving. While British (more specifically, English) people are very full of themselves when thinking of the UK as a world power, the truth is the UK is a fairly average economy, and it's only really its strong alliance with the US that gives it soft power. I worry that, in a world of Superpowers, now the UK has left the EU we'll end up becoming closer to the US in order to remain on the world stage. That worries me, especially given how volitile US politics has been recently.
@Tony IN SOUTHWARK The UK's economy is large, but it is massively dragged up by London and the financial sector. The rest of the UK's economy if fairly okay, and a lot of regions are quite poor by comparison to nations with a more even spread of industry
I don't understand why people keep claiming that 'the UK will be fine without the EU because it was fine before it joined' or the other side 'the EU will be fine because it was fine before the UK joined'. The UK joined the EEC in 1973, 47 years ago. The EU didn't even exist. The economic and geopolitcal landscape is not the same, the EU has had several more countries join since, what possible reason is there to suppose we can use the state of affairs back then to judge the current state? It just doesn't make sense.
*"It just doesn't make sense."* - Especially when you consider that before the UK joined the EEC there were power cuts, strikes up and down the country, inflation... we were not in good shape before we joined by any means.
You're right, it will be fine without the EU, because of the current set up of the world. It doesn't need to be in the EU to trade with it. And being outside the EU allows it to trade more freely than it is allowed to within the EU, allowing its higher standards to be the standard, not the lower EU standards.
@@megaangelic What the f*ck are you talking about? *It doesn't need to be in the EU to trade with it* No, but without a free trade deal the just in time option (which many british industries have when working with european industries/stores) will be all but impossible, trade will definitely take a hit. *And being outside the EU allows it to trade more freely than it is allowed to within the EU* Maybe once you replace all the trade deals the EU had all over the world. The EU is one of the entities with the most trade deals in the world. *allowing its higher standards to be the standard, not the lower EU standards* This doesn't make sense at all. The EU standards are high, that is precisely one of the reasons a US-EU free trade agreement is so difficult to achieve. One of the demands the US has for the UK to get a FTA is to lower the standards.
@@megaangelic *"being outside the EU allows it to trade more freely than it is allowed to within the EU"* - Not at all. When we leave the Single Market we lose access to all the trade deals we used to have as part of the EU. We will have ZERO trade deals. That means trading with the rest of the world will be worse, not better. However we WILL be free to negotiate our own trade deals. But they will never be as good as the ones we used to have as part of the EU. The EU is 5 times bigger than the UK so of course they get better trade deals than we will.
Since the UK Goverment did a terrible Job with Corvid 19 , indeed the worst in Europe and now the UK is a pet of the USA in Terms of Trade , the EU will do better without the UK . The UK blocked many EU Decisions and Trade Deals if there economy would been hit by the Trade Deal in their Time as Member .Not Only the UK is free now... Its clear that the EU cant allow the UK to be a Hub of US Goods with UK Label in the EU Single Market . The UK will lower Food Standards , the US Demands this ... , there will be a lack of labelling of US Goods , the US demands this ... and there is a loophole in the so called " UK law " that allows to get a UK Label if the packaging is made in the UK . NO , thanks , i dont want to eat cheap produced low Quality US Food with UK Label , maybe that garbage is good enough for UK Citizen but thats not my problem .
Speaking as a UK Citizen, I don't want US trash either. Whether or not they form the majority remains to be seen, but there are movements that strongly oppose the sacrificing of our standards on the altar of US trade. I hope we maintain and/or improve on our old EU standards for our own sake as well as of course for your sake. Our growing ties to the US (especially under Trump :( ) are a cause of great shame and sadness for me and, I would guess, a great many UK citizens.
@@benjaminchristianhay as a scot I'd like to remind you of the time before we joined the EU. How we ditched our partners in Oceania and North America to be put in a trade union that held political power over us. How we disliked and opposed many decisions, and voted against many of the EUs policies and legislation. How we watched Ireland being forced to vote again on legislation. How we seen France, Portugal and Irelands votes on such legislation dismissed as the legislation got passed through for them anyways. What we once desperately wanted to join was a trade block, not a political union. We thrown away many small businesses' exports to and from our brothers in Australia and New Zealand. Our agricultural imports and exports used to see Australia as our 3rd largest partner of which they're now our 13th. This being only one of many nations we thrown behind. It only makes sense to leave a political union we joined simply for trade only to be dissatisfied time and time again while abandoning many of our trade partners around the world. Now we've had the people's vote in both the referendum and general election. Both times proving a strong case for pro brexit. All that's left is to get on with what comes next. If you dislike the idea of American imports being not up to health standards then buy local, it's becoming cheaper and bigger in the UK to buy from local farms and businesses. If anything, it's already too late to turn back. Look ahead, be optimistic and speak your opinion out as its your right, but I'd advise that simply repeating "remain" or casting your doubt isn't going to change much anymore. It's clear our politics here are seeing a giant divide however I'm sure it will be resolved peacefully should people stick to basic human rights and respect one another. The growing outrage and violence from both sides is ridiculous and is constantly being fueled. If anything we need to return to the days where you'd vote, then get on with it whether you are on the side that won or didn't. The only time violence should be taken is when human rights get violated, and it must become a last resort.
Europe definitely has an opportunity to become stronger without the influence of the UK at the table. We already see a change of dynamics and a growing support from the public. Because the bottom line is that sovereignty ends when it is confronted to stronger powers. And we see strong powers (US, China, Russia) becoming more and more belligerent. In this context going it together rather than alone is a much better proposition. We can already see the direction of a US trade deal with U.K. at the price of environmental standards, animal welfare and the juicy NHS open to private US companies.
As the UK leaves the EU the influence of the richer Northern nations lessens to a point where for voting purposes the Med nations control the ballot box. What is this absolute baloney? "We can already see the direction of a US trade deal with U.K. at the price of environmental standards, animal welfare and the juicy NHS open to private US companies" You can see nothing, your just writing absolute libelous bullshit. Indeed the UK´s animal welfare standards are as high if not higher than any EU country. Your comments are worthless MR, the work of the village idiot no less.
@@exarder1377 It's not about more or less EU bureaucracy because those levels won't change, they are fixed at the positions they are because the members states want them that way. Otherwise they will just have less say in matters that are important to each member state. If you don't understand that by now you clearly don't understand the mechanics of the European Union. As a fellow Dutch person i would expect you to be more informed about matters that concern our place in the world.
Sovereignty ends? Haha, no, thanks. The ultimate decision over what a country does without hurting others by itself remain to that said country. Otherwise it is just the Soviet Socialist European Union. A country decides by itself when its sovereignty ends, unless it is FORCED to give it up.
@ The European people aren't bad people, overall. They don't deserve to suffer anymore than we do. Some of those Nations are suffering even more than we are. Please be careful where you send bad energy. The european people aren't responsible for the Commissioners.
I don't think the EU will just collapse because the UK are leaving. But when the vote happened everyone was talking about how this has to be a wake-up call for the EU, and I agree. There are lots of things we need to fix so that we can get closer together without feeling like everyone is left out. Stuff like the Eurozone is complicated, because we need to change how we treat European monetary policy. But you know, only time will tell. The only thing I know is that business as usual will not be possible.
I mean, Britain leaving it's kind of a one-off. They've never been that much of a European country, so to say that this is the beginning of the end, or to say that Europe is in a bad path, it's kind of wrong.
UK has been a key factor in preventing more EU .. they advocated heavy for to so sudden, so wide expansion of all those eastern european countries at once, cause more members makes more power to EU more difficult... would have been so much better if they had entered in a timespan of 5 till 10 years, perhaps just already joining all at once for the free transfers of goods, but only later of services.. then the distrubing influx of mass east european workers in western europe would have been a lot less and more gradually build up. That easern europe workers competition in low skilled jobs was a important factor in the whole brexit vote, so ironically , had that prob been less, brexit vote could have easy been a few % less, enough that it would have been just en no brexit in 2016 .. mm, would tldr news have started then?
@romanvampire The UK was the one really pushing for letting the East and Central European countries in so fast. At that time, all "old" EU countries were allowed to impose a 7-year quarantine on the new members regarding freedom of movement - the UK did not implement this. So, the UK was almost the only country, workers from the new EU members could go to.
The UK elites have always wished ill on the different EU projects. Be it the Euro, Schengen or the management of our defence or the migrant crisis. We overcame every challenge without them. We don't need the UK!
@@lacommission.-sitcom696 If you don't need the UK why has Barnier been desperately trying to entangle the UK in the ECJ, sign up to future laws & regulations in perpetuity, interfere in the UK's internal affairs by trying to annexe NI from the UK ( we know a certain country in the EU has a history of annexing other countries territory). Non of which apply to other countries wishing to trade with the EU. I don't remember them insisting on the free movement of people or level playing fields when signing trade deals with other countries, so why insist on the UK signing these conditions which don't apply to other countries? If you think you don't need the UK don't be surprised when Frau Merkel & her French poodle start telling their citizens to contribute more money for their project.
The whole EU project from day 1 was a political project to promote peace, prosperity and convergence. UK created a competitive economic bloc but failed and then joined the EU hoping to change it for a purely liberal partnership zone. Now the UK is gone we will resume our initial target and be evermore integrated.
Personally I see the integration into a super state as a good thing as long as each countries cultural identify is respected and even celebrated. The amount of waste we would save with unified military, police, healthcare, education, and other civil services.
The EU is united? Seriously? No agreement on budget, no agreement on the pandemic recovery budget, or if this will be loans or funding... how are they united?
@Harris Zaindi i think you need to carm down and get off you high horse, if you look at most of the europe countrys very few of them stood up to the German nazi invasion like france who just let them role in because they did not want their beautiful city paris destroyed, it was only the true french person who joined the underground and fought back helping all allied troops. You may have been give a history lesson when you where at school but you will never ever know what you are talking about until you give your life for a more meaning full enterprise as FREEDOM, yes Britain has exited the E.U. but that does not mean they are the only country who wants to leave.
@Mistiry European commission chief in 2007 "Sometimes I like to compare the EU as a creation to the organisation of empire. We have the dimension of empire," Hope that clears that up for you.
Can you do a video on the potential candidates for the EU. Countries like Serbia and Turkey. And maybe a country like Ukraine. I know they have a special thing happening there but I think I saw somewhere that they wanted in. Unless Russia invades them again.
The EU great too large too fast already, we should be focussing on strenghtening our existing bonds rather than invite more economically/politically unstable countries
I agree, I think Ukraine is an interesting one. The civil war there started because the people want EU and NATO membership. Isn't it funny how the war closer to home gets less coverage than the Middle East, but then again Ukraine didn't give us a flood of refugees
Turkey hasn't been a real candidate for a long time and even when Turkey treated it attempt at EU membership more seriously it wasn't likely to happen. It wasn't likely to go through for one simple reason all current member state must agree to any new member and as long as the issue of northern Cyprus is still a thing no Cypriot and most Greek government wont agree to Turkey joining, and no the EU or other member won't be able to put enough pressure on a Cyprus government to agree because of it own politics that party would be effectively dead the moment they agree to Turkey joining
I don't think anyone is actually stupid enough to think that's a good idea. Scotland doesn't even trade with the EU (just 15%), and doesn't have anything it can trade with the EU (no pipelines), and it doesn't have anything the EU wants (they have their own water).
@@nickcook176 Spain has said that it will block any independent country by UDI (unilateral declaration of independence). If the independence is consensual there will be no block.
6:26 "Why should Austrian hairdressers pay for the fund with their taxes?" The response was that taxpayers wont repay the fund, it will be repaid by the European Commission. How? Where does the EU Commission get it's money? It doesnt make anything, it doesnt sell anything. All EU funding comes from taxpayers, one way or another.
@@ralphraffles1394 Ahhh you mean the non EU international corporations that will move somewhere else if the EU tries to tax the hell out of them ...gotcha... I`m racking my brain trying to think where they might go...hummm if only there was somewhere close to the EU they could go to
The best solution is a freeze on EU expenses, a cut in money for the commissioners. de-funding the EU to use the funds to pay down the debt would send the message that it is not monopoly money. the best thing would be to give the EU 10 billion a year. that's all. they can then apportion percentages as they need, with MP's and staff, etc not being allowed to collect more than 10,000 euros per month, from all sources and as an individual, not allowed to collect more than 250,000 euros from all sources, inside and outside of EU pay. anything above that from any source would be put back into the collective bin for re-distribution. annual bonus of 10% as GDP grows and a loss of up to 10% as GDP falls. that way, the commissioners would be directly linked to prosperity for the PEOPLE. lastly, the PEOPLE would have an annual vote on their commissioners, they could pay a bonus, the same or a penalty, as the people see fit. the annual budge would be adjusted for the actual cost of living based on number of employed people. and no alteration for the budget or pay could be achieved without a super-majority of voters in the EU as a whole. the EU can be saved but forcing the commissioners to work for the PEOPLE and not for themselves.
@@ralphraffles1394 ///I think Verhofstadt? believes the money will be extracted from non EU multinational corporations./// You mean the EU is going to start taxing multinationals directly? Or are they going to tax the countries that host them? Either way, if they are trying to raise 500 billion Euros, I think the Republic of Ireland can say goodbye to Microsoft, Starbucks and Google, dont you?
@Alfa&Omega 00000 Only person deluded here is you. UK will still be here and Eu will be another sad failed union. Just a union to hinder countries that will be in competition to germany. Only country that could even protect eu now is france and at that we are laughing at you.
i feel both parties of brexit will do better in the long run with the UK being able to seek closer ties with commonwealth nations and the EU to be free of the UK vetoing bills etc and to get things done there
Much of the Commonwealth wants nothing to do with the UK, painful past and all that. Besides, tradewise the Commonwealth is not a replacement for lost trade with the EU, as the Commonwealth is far away from the UK and has a much smaller economy than the EU.
@Leona I think in a similar way. But would be happy if Irland is united. British are getting to the minority in northern ireland and it would make a lot sense for cohesion and simplicity to unite irland. I don't mind, if the lesser GB stays united, but i also doubt it will be. So to say i would rather accept, if Scotland would rejoin the Union without the first time joining process. Even if they impose that after Scotland left UK. It would highlight the UK's bad strategy in the world and at home and maybe fasten the return to the EU after the conservative die out - in the way it is zynical it is real.
9:27 misquote incoming. "France and Germany which have supported liberalisation" according to the narrator, even though the quote on-screen says otherwise. Not significant enough, but is worth pointing out.
I’m sure Albania and Montenegro will fill the economic void left by Brexit, yeah,sounds like a recipe for unmitigated prosperity, especially coming after an economic depression.
North Europe countries are nothing compared to Italy or south part of EUROPE. Netherlands and Belgium are the countries with the most profit from Eu.without EU Belgium will be a shithole
That could be the best part about the deal. NI is my homeland, but the reality is they are flushing pan-Ireland down the drain, the sooner people face up to facts the better. The sooner there is a passported border the better. I have relatives in NI, but 3/4 of the family's Millenials live in the UK. My dad was the smartest of his generation, at least on marks. The Belfast city council created a one-off scholarship for him. So like any smart person, he and his smart cohort of similar scholars all left in the 50s. 70 years have passed, the smartness quotient in Ireland is not rising. It is an endless brain drain to the point where citizens from failed states are an uptick.
There's a border between England and Scotland, a border between England and Wales. We choose how much of an impact they make. The England NI one could be just the same. It matter not to the English, yes some foreign nationals may sneak across but no doubt we will sneak things the other way, indeed we may export good wine to France
Unfortunately, the Unionists have become a political minority in Northern Ireland and the UK media wouldn't accept no deal brexit. Boris had no choice but to compromise. The practical impact will be smaller than thought as most of the UL/Ireland logistic trains go through Dublin rather than NI. The main impact will be to increase the cost ofUK sourced food products in ireland as a whole. WTO with tariffs will just make it worse as Irish products will be priced out of the UK market.
I think that single nations inside Europe don't understand the weakness of not being unified. To divide is to be concurred, and I can see that occurring.
both, if it ment to be overvoted, e.i. in Trade terms. I don't wish the worse for UK, but i am dubtful, if they can strive in longterm outside and without the EU. Their bet on Asia and maybe the US seems highly risky and will take a lot of time. So leaves the doctrine and if the doctrine proves heavily wrong... i don't want to see people leaving the UK. Wouldn't be good for no one.
Is this a trick question? It took the UK ten years to get in between 1963 and 1973. The EEC was doing quite nicely then. The Uk on the other hand, had isolated itself politically and was battling with its unions and high inflation.
I think it is unwise to underestimate/ignore the power of populism to gain momentum quickly and the populist right are gunning for the EU in many EU countries now. But if the EU manages to stave off those effects I think it will prosper without the UK holding it back. I think introducing more poorer countries is genius but something that will only pay off in the longer term. So if the EU makes it to that longer term through the Corona-virus crisis then I think things can only get better.
But at the same time you also shouldn't underestimate the populist instability, if the situation improves without the populists in power, they'll quickly lose support. So it is in essence a bit of a double edged sword. And if a populist is in power and can't fix the situation, that too usually has a terrible effect on their support.
@@MDP1702 "if a populist is in power and can't fix the situation, that too usually has a terrible effect on their support" | Sometimes, sure, but as I see it the blame is usually just shifted to the opposition or "the others" and the populist in power get more vehement support from those who are "fooled".
@@MDP1702 many EU countries employ hug them to death strategies by giving populist parties power and holding them to account. When they fail to deliver on their lies and they are in power they lose support.
I think the populist fad has reached its high water mark, people were very grateful for state support during the crisis, I hope Trump is out of power and into court soon.
Yes because European cooperation without Britain is a well know phenomenon. Poland and Hungary are going to eat you alive. The Southern nations will get mad about three Euro. The rich nations will get mad about having to pay more and more for Germany to run them.
@@timothydexter4027 Poland and Hungary will collapse without the EU, and they will begin to shake in their boots with Russia on their borders real quick. lol.. They will keep their mouths shut, and dance when they are told to dance.
@@whatwhat3432523They wouldn't collapse; that's ludicrous. They would receive less money though. However, for the EU to take action against one state it needs the rest to vote for it. The Eastern states can do what they want and the North West will have to pay for it.
@@timothydexter4027 Let's see their growth from joining the EU to now? Add in the extreme unemployment rates they got rid of because of workers moving abroad. These polish workers also save much of their earnings, and spend it in Poland. Buying homes and goods. This boosts the polish economy like crazy. Infrastructure is built by European funding. If they lose their ties to Europe, all this growth would create a bubble. It was created by European integration, and would struggle massively if the markeds and money was cut off.
@smile 2192 Very simplistic view. The economy benefits more from state investment than from austerity. The only people who benefit from austerity are the ones at the very top, and the ever increasing economic inequality this leads to is not good for stability - austerity leads to the collapse and hollowing out of nations.
@smile 2192 The EU helped immensly on cost reduction and minimizing red tape the UK will see this in the next years when it has to pay for everything on it's own and do everything on it's own. Of course it can do it, but the people will pay extra for this privilege.
@Nspnspker With everything that's going on with the US and how Canada seems to be more of a European country then like the US and with how Canada plays second fiddle to the US and mostly gets ignored, I can actually see many benefits for Canada and the EU if Canada was to join the EU but the EU would have to open up and allow countries outside of Europe to join and I think they should because I suspect some countries would love to join given half a chance, especially with how unstable the world is and how the US and China are going, being inside the EU would feel quite safe for many countries.
@Nspnspker CANZUK will happen. I know you bitter Europhiles won't like it and cry 'Empire 2.0' to undermine it, but we don't flying f*ck what you stuck-up pricks think. Keep crying though, it's funny to watch.
@@paul1979uk2000 You are deluded, there are no countries that would be Net contributors to the EU budget wanting to join. UK leaving has ensured Norway will never join Iceland has already reject the EU, Switzerland has rejected EU and wants to loosen the existing ties.
@@bumblebee5818 Defacto is Norway a member excluding fishing and farming and does all what is decided in brussels without having a say. Similar switzerland its just a nightmarish complicated labyrinth of contracts with some exceptions. both countries pay something into the support font. Iceland are 700000 people and nobody really cares.
i hope the EU does great after Brexit. And i also hope the UK does great after Brexit also. personally the UK and EU just wasn’t meant to be as it was quite clear we didn’t want a lot of what the EU wanted. Now let’s just all get along after brexit
It wont happen, at least not for a long time. Populism is strong in EU with countries demanding to have more power than what Bruxelles let them have. It surely would make eu stronger in the markets, more competitive against China, India, USA or Russia but at what cost? Those countries are culturally too different to just be different regions of the same state, It works in usa but in Europe? Not for a long time, we've been sharing the same history for too little time, 100years ago we were still killing each others after hundreads of years of fighting or ignoring each other's existence. Open to civil debate, sorry for any mistakes, it's late at night and i don't wanna proof read anything lol
@@areswalker5647 I agree that cultural differences are still significant and populism makes EU unity more difficult. Still, I think there is a 50% chance of it happening by 2050. Especially younger people seem to be in favor of a stronger EU and multiple parties in the EU parliament have stated that they are considering a EU federal state. De facto the EU already has a lot of characteristics of a united state, so I don't think the idea is to far fetched
@@firedt3850 mh Who knows, in thirty years a lot of water can pass under the bridge. I think a lot could depend on how eu handle the coronavirus pandemic. The younger generations are the most economic heavily affected by it so whatever will be the outcome it will influence their minds on EU big times
@@firedt3850 I am from the young generation, and i can't imgine that europe was ever "not united", because i never lived in time when EU wasn't united (I am from czech republic, it joined i think 16 years ago), If the CZ accepts the euro, i can imagine that my kids would find it "unbelivable" that we had diffirent and independent currency x years ago. They will propably like the idea of integration, just as i do, and continue with it, and the simmilar thing will happen to their kids and so on, and if we federalise, then the other generations would from birth live in the federation... And i believe that this process could lead to federalization of the EU, and after like 200 years the generations would propably also de facto unite into one nation with many cultures, lifestyles etc., and the cultures will also start uniting, but propably just in form of "sweping out" cultural diffirences between borders... In short, i think that if we start something like the EU, and if it won't just totally fail right away, it will integrate more and more, and it will be completely natural phenomenon.
@@sucram1015 Why doesn't London respect Liverpool's sovereignty? Or Scotland's sovereignty? I mean, what even is sovereignty? For us it's just an abstract concept of identifying as being part of a "nation". So what does it matter when the EU controls some of our laws and some of our resources, if they spend them just as well as we would?
Well the obvious answer if that its now weaker. Losing a member makes you weaker, not stronger. More members mean stronger, less mean weaker. Simple answer.
More members does not always mean strength. Well, strength in this case means how rich a member country is and how much it can contribute. No use adding more members if they are not able to contribute financially and worst, they could become financially dependent and a burden to the EU.
OK GUYS STOP FIGHTING NOW AND LISTEN : i am not a european but now after a zillion videos have understood it well ..... the UK is a strong nation ... both in economy and military and also pays huge sums of money to the EU but the UK is bein constantly overlooked by the EU ..... and for the UK it seems like the poor people of south EU who are money recievers often overlook UK and impose there decisions on the UK which is not good and also the politicians of south EU are too corrupt thus the money the riches members pour in them is just being waisted and swallowed by the corrupt politicians of south !! which makes a point for the EU ...... but UK also get huge amount trade and jobs from the EU which justifies there payments ... so here both the sides are correct in there own right ! there is no single answer and it depends upon your personal ideology .
"Austrian taxpayers won't have to pay, the EU will just take out debts with favourable interest rates" Who do you think pays off those debts and pays the interest? The European taxpayers.
Nobody pays off those debts, because thats not how debts work on that level. Nobody will "pay back" the 26 trillion debt of the US. Nobody will "pay back" the 280 billion debt of Austria. And nobody would "pay back" the same kind of debts if the EU would use them to finance any of its programs. They are only counterbalanced by economic power. I know that its hard to understand initially if someone hears that for the first time, but literally anyone in the political landscape who talks about finances knows this perfectly well. They only start asking "Who is gonna pay for it?" when they want to oppose something. They know that this argument is stupid. But they know their averge voter doesn't know that.
@@AliothAncalagon A debt has to be paid off one way or another. You can't just take out free money, otherwise everybody would do it. Austerity measures are often put in place to pay off debts, as we are seeing in the UK in which you can see that until Covid our percentage of debt compared to GDP had been going down since around 2012. A big part of paying off debt is also paying the interest. There is plenty of information about this in the UK at least on government websites that give information as to why comparing debt to a percentage of GDP is good, and how it's paid off over time. In other words, yes someone does have to pay off the debts, and yes it comes from our taxes. That's how debts work, the idea is just that we grow our GDP faster than we acquire debt making it comparatively cheaper to pay off. The problem comes when our GDP doesn't grow, but our debt does. In this case, if the EU were to take out debt they can just keep the debt but make the members pay the interest, which collectively will be very little, but at some point they will have call that money back in. Some countries will be unhappy with this, especially the ones that put more money into the EU than they take out.
@@gambit-6181 "A debt has to be paid off one way or another." No. I initially wanted to answer that this is only true, when you aren't a country, but not even that is true. Just look at how insolvencies work. "You can't just take out free money, otherwise everybody would do it." Thats why everybody does it. And thats why not a single relevant country on earth is debt-free. But don't get me wrong its not that free money is cool and everybody wants it. Its more that the entire financial system doesn't work in the first place when there are no debts. A country with its own currency NEEDS to create debt from its central bank to get the economy rolling in the first place. Thats how central banks work (private banks are also part of the process, but I don't want to overcomplicate things here). Thats unfortunately the point where you and I cannot join the party, since we aren't able to do any business with a central bank in that way ^^ "Austerity measures are often put in place to pay off debts, as we are seeing in the UK in which you can see that until Covid our percentage of debt compared to GDP had been going down since around 2012." Now we are talking. You claim that the percentage of debt went down compared to the GDP. Besides the fact that my sources tell me that this is not true, even if it was true, that still doesn't mean a single pound has been "paid back". A country doesn't even try to "pay back" anything, even if it can. The incentive is to grow your GDP beyond the debt, not the other way around. How many debt you have is literally irrelevant from a financial point of view of a country. Its relevant how big your economic power is compared to that. The so called debt ratio is not lowered by lowering the debt. Its lowered by raising the GDP. "In other words, yes someone does have to pay off the debts, and yes it comes from our taxes. That's how debts work, the idea is just that we grow our GDP faster than we acquire debt making it comparatively cheaper to pay off. The problem comes when our GDP doesn't grow, but our debt does." I guess we agree more than we thought xD You are more or less correct. But the point is that nothing here gets paid back REALLY. You are just interchanging debts with each other. You can kinda act as if a debt is paid and then a second later you take a new one, but the result will always be that the debts don't disappear. Taxes play a role, but they aren't paying off any debts. You can gather no taxes at all and still make this process work, which is exactly what the EU tried to do here. Because for interchanging debts you don't really need taxes. You just need the economic power to back up the debts. And the EU easily has that, weither anyone actually pays a single Euro to pay back any debt or not. "In this case, if the EU were to take out debt they can just keep the debt but make the members pay the interest, which collectively will be very little, but at some point they will have call that money back in. Some countries will be unhappy with this, especially the ones that put more money into the EU than they take out." There is no money "called back in". You are just interchanging debts with each other. Weither the EU does it or the states individually makes only one difference. The EU as a whole has an easier time backing it up with its economic power for the same reason the US can much easier keep the dime rolling than a single state would be able to. As far as I see it you are to some point familiar with how the system works. The only thing you want to keep in the spotlight is that somehow debts are "paid for" theoretically in the timeframe between interchanging debts. But this timeframe doesn't exist in reality.
If you look at the EU’s share of world trade in 1980, depending on how you measured its performance it stood at around 25-30%. Using similar measures today it’s share has fallen below 20%, if you use PPP then the figure in 2016 stood at 17%, versus 24% for 1980. It is expected to fall to less than 12% by 2030. As with the arguments over Brexit it is clear that there are still many who are ill-informed about the relative prowess of the EU in economic terms. You should be aware that since 1980 a number of countries joined the EU - adding their economic wealth to the EU collective. These countries include: Spain, Portugal, Greece, Austria, Finland, Sweden to name a few. Despite this, the EU’s standing continues to fall in terms of its share of world trade. It is clear that the EU will suffer when the UK finally leaves at the end of this year, the EU will no longer be able to include UK figures in its own economic data for one. As for economic growth the EU is performing badly against the rise of the East in particular, it is an inward looking and protective regime that protects its internal markets to some degree at great cost to competing in world trade outside of the EU. All of the leading economic think tanks are forecasting that by 2050 there will be a new world order in the top ten economies. Contrary to the views of many on here, the UK is forecast to remain in 8th or 9th position, (even though it will have left the EU) with Germany falling to 6th or 7th place. France and Italy drop out leaving Germany as the sole representative member of the EU. As some on here allude, the EU budget is a mess, the Covid 19 situation is only making matters worse and all the time, EU debt accumulates.....Google “EU debt clock”, this will make for scary reading for even the most ardent EU fans, especially Italian debt! In departing the EU the UK will be absolved of future responsibility with regards to being jointly and severally liable, as each member state is. So who will be better off?
You could say exactly the same about britain. Europe's weight is declining because third world countries and develloping countries are developing quickly, especially China. From 1960 to 2014 USA's share of world gdp has fallen from 42% to 22%. Would you say that the US has no future ? If anything, the falling share means that we're just getting a world with less inequalities between nations. I hope UK will do good in the future, because I still think that we share a lot of history and culture, but i also hope that UK's departure will allow the EU to prosper even more.
Axel Lacaze I agree, the UKs future outside of the EU is uncertain - I never claimed this. It’s just that the norm seems to be the EU won’t suffer. Of course it will, but, and here’s the caveat, it’s our future, decided by our own government and in turn, the direct outcome of our elections. Not by the likes of the EU Commission or by the individual wants and desires of Merkel and Macron or as directed by the Lisbon Treaty. The Lisbon Treaty is a very cleverly worded document and is intended clearly to take Europe down one path and one path only! Within, collectively the UK faced more problems with diminishing control and influence (future enlargement) in a world where change is happening at a rate where a behemoth of an organisation like the EU struggles to keep pace? With the right governance the UK will, I believe be better out than in over the longer term. Look at how the Commission and EU Parliament reacted to the Chinese dumping of steel, or didn’t as the case may be? By the time they did anything it was too late and the Chinese reacted simply by passing on support in finished goods, by-passing the protection put in place by the EU! Look at the French steel sector then, and now. Yes, the American dominance in world trade will continue to diminish in percentage trends with the rise of the East but it’s a question of how much? China’s economy, pre-Covid, was already showing signs of strain. It’s heady days of double digit growth are over! It’s labour costs are rising and investment in production is now moving to locations such as Vietnam Hasbro - one of the worlds largest toy makers, are reducing their manufacturing base away from China. They follow the likes of Adidas, Samsung, Apple, also due in part to tariff concerns. India is forecast to enjoy a large share of world trade, perhaps displacing the US by 2050. I’m not so sure this will take place to this degree as India faces some unique problems, key amongst them, water shortages. Infrastructure, lack of investment, population growth, corruption and climate. Covid 19 will also play its part, it’s damaged Chinese manufacturing as much as other economies, maybe more? China’s new Silk Road initiative is leading to a huge debt burden on top of already an already huge debt burden. Whatever, the UK was in the unique position of being able to even contemplate leaving the EU, no other member state could take risk, not France, not Germany even. I’m with those forecasting that the UK remains in the top 10 even outside of the EU by 2050, at least our destiny is now in our hands!
Peter Taylor Your destiny is in the hands of the real owners of the UK. It certainly is not fools like you. It was all about the filth of the British ruling class and how these slime bags have gotten wealthy for decades. Then again when you believe politicians in the pockets of same slime, they make you believe that you have choices. Poor delusional fool. No, the UK is not special and the Empire is as dead as King George III.
Peter T That you revert almost instantly to statements such as “fools like you” says it all! I have studied the direction of the EU for 30 years, I’ve read The Lisbon Treaty and you seem to have missed the results of the last election here in the UK? Anyone reading this will know the real delusional fool, socialist experiments just do not work, throughout history society has been based on wealth, affluence and power. It’s probably escaped your limited store of knowledge but the more advanced mammals, the great apes, a pack of wolves even humble bees and ants all live in societies based on a hierarchical structure. You could say it’s in our genes - that’s genes, not jeans, see I too can be defamatory. And finally, who mentioned Empire? As you have though that is exactly why the UK can go alone outside of the EU. That English is the language of international business stands us in good stead, further, these historical links have helped maintain a level of influence in world affairs that punches well above similar EU members such as France, Germany, Italy. Perhaps you should read more rather than to making effusive and rather tired statements largely based on conspiracy - it’s the way the world works! As for your clearly socialist dreams, look at every world leader who espouses such ideologies? They all milk the system to their own ends, acquire wealth and power, sounds kinda familiar doesn’t it. Sorry for using big words, it’s called a dictionary and when you buy yours from a shop or online you do it using a system called capitalism!
The EU will be smaller in terms of population and economy. At the same time the EU will be more unified as a result of EU skeptical member states leaving and EU-opposition in remaining member states being kept under lid by a population that can now first hand, witness the consequences of leaving the EU.
One of the reasons the Brexit negations are set at Punishment level by Barnier's bosses is because they are terrified of a successful UK. Before the UK left, they were one of the most successful countries with almost full employment and Europeans flocking there to find work. Should that continue, without the EU being able to operate a "handbreak", then "Keeping a lid on" the EU nations populations will be very hard indeed.
@@kensummers7757 Agreed, as remainers become washed out of the process, a new sense of excitement about the UK's future is growing. Most pro Brexit supporters have already put the links with EU behind them and are just frustrated with the ongoing negotiations, which they believe are pointless and a waste of time. The EU will only agree to a trade deal if they can put the UK in a straight jacket. Only an idiot would agree to that!
Whether the EU is better off without the UK or not is a matter of opinion. Obviously, the UK leaving really hurts the budget. On the other hand, getting things done will become so much easier.
but it will also be expensive and everybody with money is teetering on the brink of 2008 part2 as is. Under a reformed europe the countries with money are gonna get absolutely shafted and they likely wont enjoy it.
The UK has never play the rules and with the team, they play for themselves only. Once they left the EU can go further and even if UK goes well it will goes alone and can't beat 27 countries with inovative and powerful countries like France and Germany.
France has massive unemployment along with Spain’s and Greece but they are also are broke, Italy does its own thing and then there’s the former soviet block which sucks up all the money. Plus there will be less money as no uk just look at the issues with the corona bailout trying to get approved
Candy Candy Girl unlike the U.K. France and Germany need the other 25 to agree with it the U.K. doesn’t one of the issues with the eu needing 100% agreement for anything to get done. Plus not like the eu is good with money given how their accounts have never been audited
I am a European, I speak many European languages, I lived in many EU countries. If you think the EU will ceize to exist because someone will leave, then allow me to tell you that you are delusional. Currently there is a higher chance that the USA will fall apart rather than the EU will. No matter how many coutries would leave the EU (even if 10 or 15,not sure which those you think would be) the EU would still be going...and going strong + there is a long waiting list to join. i.e. 10 countries leave, another 10 will join (just to keep it simple for the simple minded). The overall trend (just in the case that you did not notice it) is creation of large trading blocks. Not one country (not even Trump, he's just bluffing,and he's not the country) wants to go it alone - in the current market where you have giants (china has almost 1.4billion people) ..you think a country such as Netherlands with 15 milion citizens and falling demographics can go it alone? XD delusional thinking that the EU will collapse ! Just recently African Union was established. Russia is creating another Euro-Asian Union. The never existing world of single countries competing in the global markets will never be seen in the real world.
Italy was outright ignored on covid, the Irish contributions have just gone sky high, almost double what the German pays. Macron stated if the French were given an in / out vote they would vote leave. liberal leftys always says its solid, but the eu NEVER ask the people, and when they are ``allowed`` a very rare vote, they vote NO and get ignored. In a supposed so called democracy, they dont like giving the democratic vote
It will just end up the poor countries left in it, that almost have no power in the world and was only joining it to get money but with the wealthy gone there is no money
So if ten countries leave the other ten to join will make the European union better? Italy leaves-Turkey joins. The Netherlands leaves-Albania joined. Austria / Montenegro and so on....
@@StepwaveMusic Irish voted NO ``twice`` , told to vote again FACT. France voted NO in 2005 vote Ignored FACT. Denmark voted NO, told to vote again FACT. So every single sentence is factual and can be prven as such. You need to adjust your cognitive dissonance. you appear to ignore ``documented FACTS``.
I'm pro EU but also a proud British! We Don't drive on the wrong side of the road but a different side. Who decided right or left was correct or wrong? I'm proud we drive on the otherside of the road because it reminds me how we stood strong against yet another European Dictator. For your information: we drive on the otherside of the road because we were not invaded by the Dictator Napoleon Bonaparte who because of his injured arm insisted his army march, ride on the right so could see them, turn and ride at the same time (some say also incase of assassination attempts). So when he invaded the rest of Europe, he brought in the laws of riding on the right. Afterwards the countries recognised the logic of 'traffic flow' and not chaos, so kept it. So driving on the otherside of the road can remind you that your country probably fell during the Napoleonic wars and it took Britain and others to free you from the dictator. Which Britain has done again and again, a few times since. Europe's freedom and the birth of the EU are because Britain went to war and stood alone fighting for your freedoms too. Oh and if your going to say America they only joined Europes war after Pearl Harber, it was never about saving or freeing Europe from Hitlar but using British territories in the Far East to get close to Japan to send aircraft and use docks and as part of that agreement Britain insisted they join the fight in Europe. Just so you know!
@@alandillon968 dictator Napoleon? Have a watch of a movie called "Peterloo" which portrays Peterloo massacre of 1819 where your government backed cavalry charge at 60.000 peaceful crowd, you had nothing short of tyrants throughout history yourselves so you dont get to speak about other countrys tyrants, I wont even start about who colonized and pillaged the whole world from americas to east asia and down all the way south in africa, and dont get me started on the problem with Ireland that is still seen today...
@Find The Light Because your pro or anti Brexit or pro or anti EU doesnt make you or me anti-British. When was it decided that if pro Brexit you are more patriotic than me? We both want what is best for our country but have different views of how that can happen. For you to think otherwise just shows what a limited education you have and an what an arsehole you are. Hahaha back at yeah!
@@sven4627 Oh for gods sake, get real will you, grow up! I'm not going to defend every battle or fight Britain has been Involved in. Just as the Dutch, French, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Belgians all had there Empirers as did Britain in Africa or Asia or the Americas. All did wrong! But you cannot take away what I said about Britain saving Europe more than once.
That’s what I believe but if they do decide to leave it’ll be marine or pens France and or a coaltion of Poland Hungary Czechia and Slovakia That way they’d have more strength and would make a significant aspect of the Eu meaning they are incredibly valuable and the Eu would go for good terms on their exit
The EU and the Euro has been disastrous for the PEOPLE of Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal. The austerity forced on the people has lead to numerous, largely unreported, protests in many EU country's. If the UK Brexit is successful the pressure, from the people, for other countries to leave will increase. If for instance: If Greece went back to the Drachma it could devalue make them more competitive. As it stands Greece won't be out of the red until 2065.
Greece is already financially independent again, even scoring a budget surplus both in 2018 and 2019. Yes they'll have decades of paying off loans ahead of them but history has shown time and again what hyper inflation does to an economy. It is funny how the Greek crisis became an argument against the Euro even if the Euro did exactly what it was designed to do.
@@Sanderos25 A country that doesn't control its own money cannot call its self independent. Greece may have a budget surplus, but the wages of government employees and pensioners have been dramatically reduced. Question? what would you say if you were told that you had to suffer a 30% to 45% wage cut?
As a German I can tell you we will take Britain's place and you better believe that the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark and Austria will fall in line. As will Poland, Hungary, Czechia and Slovakia. If you want any money going forward, you better get your act together and understand what Europe means or you can get out and crash your economy. This is a time of challenges but also of chances and opportunities. And we will do it!
Germany will lead the EU to it's natural end. She will continue to balk against the sharing of debt and this in turn will eventually lead to more members leaving the Union. Or at least I hope! I have a lot of money riding on Germany continuing to be Germany!!!
Charles de Gaulle was the typical egomaniac snail slurping French. Of course he didn't want the UK. Another strong rival, meant less oportunities for France to fck the -new colonies- khm other memberstates.
@@originalkk882 Large chunks of EU policy was written by British people. Maybe if successive British governments didn't deny the right of British people to vote on a number of different referendums regarding EEC/EU policies we might be in this mess now.
Disagree in part. British people are pro-EU but their elites aren't because they feel threatened and want to remain on top of the pile. The irony is that Brexit is going to speed up their demise once the Americans move in!
4:40 - as you well know in the UK, italy is a net contributor, not a net recipient (www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48256318 ). Please do correct your prejudice towards Italy.
What he was saying is not about net contributor or net recipient, is about having 1 fiscar union it means dept is shared between all member states, and italy is in a really bad state with dept, not because of the amount, but because of the ratio between GDP and dept.
@@tugahenrik1 "Circling back to the Covid recovery packages, the so called frugal four (Austria, Denmark, the Netherlands and Sweden) are earnestly and consistently fighting against any measures that will cause the EU to in effect become a transfer union and lead to fiscal transfers to the likes of Italy, Portugal and Greece." This has no relation with the fiscal union but with the Covid Fund. As you may know all funding to the EU comes mainly from taxes or debt emission that will be paid by taxes. In fact the liberalism brought to the EU reduced the opportunity for states to have other kinds of income, like profits from state owned companies. This has nothing to do with a future eventual dreamy fiscal union that is not even being properly discussed and is talked for the eurozone (which Denmark and Sweden do not belong to).
There is no such thing as a “relative majority”. A majority is a number that is greater than 50%. The correct word is “plurality“. I realize that I am nitpicking, but I just want to help make your great videos even better. Keep up the good work!
No @@meferswift he means a majority. That is what he wrote and it means exactly what it means, now what the HELL is a "relative" majority supposed to be? Is that the same as a large minority? Like 48%? One of the most disturbing aspects of neo-liberal post modernism is their willingness to twist definitions and statistics to suit their agenda. It was one of the many reasons 52% voted to leave the EU.
@@JoesWebPresence Since you are pointing out that twisting statistics to suit their agenda is something neo-liberal post modernists do perhaps I should point out that your claim that 52% voted to leave the EU is incorrect. 52% of the vote being leave is not the same as 52% of people voting to leave. ~37.5% voted to leave, ~34.7% voted to stay and ~27.8% didn't vote(you have to count these, they are still people). Brexit won because 37%>34% but it is not a majority by any stretch. Someone who insists on using the 48/52 stat is someone wanting to push the idea that a majority of people want Brexit, and that is just not true based on those numbers. As for relative majority, it is pretty easy to understand, the current UK government has a relative majority, they got 43% of the vote. Less than 50% so not a simple majority, but they were the largest minority party so they have a relative majority. Perhaps another way of explaining it would be that it is the largest minority when there is no clear majority. Here is a quick excerpt: In international institutional law, a "simple majority" (also a "majority") vote is more than half of the votes cast (disregarding abstentions) among alternatives; a "qualified majority" (also a "supermajority") is a number of votes above a specified percentage (e.g. two-thirds); a "relative majority" (also a "plurality") is the number of votes obtained that is greater than any other option; and an "absolute majority" is a number of votes "greater than the number of votes that possibly can be obtained at the same time for any other solution", when voting for multiple alternatives at a time.
OK @@Subjagator 52% (of those eligible to vote who did vote) voted to leave. Do you really need that patently obvious qualification to be stated? Isn't that a given for anyone who understands the process? That isn't twisting the statistics, it's accurately quoting them without stating obvious exceptions that have no bearing on the result. The statistics you quote around the number who didn't vote are academic and completely irrelevant. Those who chose not to vote or were not eligible to vote are not part of the process, so why do you suddenly want to include them as if their non participation makes any difference? That "relative majority" is what the rest of us who are not sore losers call a minority and the only reason to call it that would be to put spin on a lost vote.
As far as I am aware a "relative majority" would happen when you have the majority of something whilst being below 50% So lets say a piece of paper that is colored, 40% is red 30% blue and 30% green the relative majority of that piece of paper would be red.
Internally stronger because the UK was one of the main opponent to forming a United States of Europe but externally weaker (atleast temporarily) because it's lost land, people and income.
So brexit makes it easier for Germany and France to form the EU how they see fit? The British referendum really helped them, sometimes things go your way,.
The EU was never a benefit to the UK which is why Maggie could negotiate the 50% rebate, even the EU knew that. DeGaulle always said the UK was a bad fit for the EU and he was correct. It's better this way and the EU is back-peddling on Federalism as well now, which is better for Europe.
The most obvious change is the introduction of a more adversarial antagonistic aspect to the EU. By becoming a competitor rather than a partner Brexit will make the EU more likely to assert itself politically and economically - the very things the Brexiters were afraid of. Essentially there is a continuum it will exist on. At one end it will compete aggressively with the UK for dominance including in services and at the other take a live and let live approach allowing the UK to progress. What is clear that in time of recession as we expect to unfold in the near future it will be at the near part of the continuum and exert all its muscle to obtain as much market share as it can of a smaller market. So one of its goals will be to take that share from the UK. This may mean a trade and tariff war in which there is still a general decline but the UK suffers relatively more than the EU. One of the first major casualties will be the UK service sector, banking and financial services as the EU builds its indigenous facilities to support sovereign debt and consciously shuns London. Why would we want to be part of a club that would do this? Well this is what happens under capitalism when you break off from an economic giant and there is a world recession. It's nothing to do with being 'nice' or sentiment its economic reality. How can the damage be stopped? Well by coming to an arrangement with the EU, otherwise we face a very unhappy future.
The EU's problem is that it's single currency requires a transfer union. I know that it doesn't happen in USA, but there is a different sense of identity there, overwhelmingly American, in a way that people in EU are not overwhelming EUish.
Well, the US has a federal government with tax-raising powers. That is what is needed in the EU, so that individual states retain their accountability for their own financial affairs (no transfers) and yet the country can respond quickly and assuredly to external problems and the Parliament can hold the EU government to account in similar manner. The one thing everyone misses is that with this British Betrayal of the European idea, our security if diminished, leaving us exposed to thieves like Russia and China.
It definitely happens in the US. The richest states give money to the poorer ones, the leaders of those states just don't brag about it (or even lie about it). One way is federal programs like Medicare and Medicaid, school meals are also subsidized federally, then the overall budget is mostly paid for by rich states/inhabitants...
Lets be really honest here the EU is in a dreadful mess and its hard to see how their conflicting policies can be sorted out. The whole Euro Zone can only work if it becomes a United States of Europe with a governing Bank standing behind the currency. They also need a mandate from the people but they are terrified of asking the people if that is what they want because they know the answer will not be positive. Its hard to see a future for this
If the Eurozone functions like the US dollar than it would have grave consequences on the periphery. In the US imbalances in currency transfers are actually corrected by asset transfers from reserves or loans. In the Eurozone that never happens and is a real risk in case a country like Italy exits the block. What's more by law it's not possible to bail out US states in any way or form. So Spain, Greece or Italy would have to balance their budgets and do austerity no matter what.
@@s13hgp Made leaving the EU look retarded if nothing else. In Denmark at least, UK have been a great example of what happens when you throw economics out of the window in favor of national pride and foreign hate. Parties can't quite have the leave EU agenda seriously anymore after the UK example.
I can only see the EU becoming a "transfere-union" if GDP per capita and fiscal policy becomes homogenized across the union, which would almost certainly require the EU to become a federation. Otherwise I don't think the EU will survive, the no one wants to pay for other countries reckless/sloppy fiscal policies. I still remember how angry people were when they heard about Greece and their Retire-before-60 scheme and near-universal tax-dodging.
The EU are not concerned about the UK leaving the club. Come what may the UK will still have to trade with the bloc. Its the costs, the UK is disputing. WTO rules and tariffs suit the EU just fine. The EU trades with the US and China on those terms. Nothing to sweat about. The real disappointment the EU have towards the UK is that they have bailed out of the project where it was deemed that the stronger European countries help to develop the weaker members. An economically stronger Europe means more wealth creating opportunities for the already rich member countries. Unfortunately, but I guess greed is a bitch and as per referendum, the UK has opted out to keep all the wealth she has enjoyed making whilst being a member, all for itself. I believe in time the poorer EU countries will rise to the challenge and eventually become net contributors. What is wrong in developing the Ukraine at that point? or even Morocco or all the Mediterranean countries for that matter. Is that not the actions expected from civilized peoples? And as a citizen of a smaller EU member state I can say I welcome the idea of a Euro army. An army that has Europe's security at heart and not some American/British controlled military recruitment agency that is hellbent on going to war with Russia or Iran or for that matter anyone they find disagreeable. A united European army will be strong enough on its own to protect itself from Russia. And as a bonus, the EU members will be able to fully develop their own military industrial complex. Having said that, there is nothing to fear, Russia has no appetite for a war with Europe. In fact there is no one on the planet who desires it. The hype is, albeit dangerous, BS propaganda
@Train Crash Ahead The door at least doesn't demand a unicorn and then throws a temper tantrum when it doesn't get one. Honestly, I prefer doors to brexiteers.
@J Mansfield You sure you not referring to NATO? Last time I checked it was NATO who had designs on the Ukraine and is why the Russians are so bent out of shape over it. The EU is a trading bloc with many of its members in NATO, the latter whose foreign policy is dominated by the US and the UK being its most loyal and abiding partner.
No. Not as some shallow federation led by careerist and corrupt bureaucrats with marxist way of thinking. Lets re-establish Austro-Hungarian Empire and leave Western Frankish Empire and Eastern Frankish Empire alone in their socialist project.
@@kundasemkundatam7461 Yeah sure! Let's start the third world war which leads to the death of millions again. It's sick how your nationalism makes you forget basic humanity.
@@sumitgarai3991 Tell me when 2 mature democracies have ever gonre to war with each other? Think before you type. The script i wrong, you need a new one.
I hope both succeed, and that the EU and Great Britain will become two competing entities to keep each other in check. It will make the EU and GB both more competitive and force governments to evaluate policy by comparing their success to their neighbors, rather than everyone blindly doing the same thing.
They are no equal and never will be. Little UK alone now is 1/5 size of the EU, a dwarf between giants on the planet. It will have it's problems in any negotiations because of this from now on.
@@Ganymede559 This post was made over 1 year ago. It's considered bad taste to "nekro" old posts. Besides reality already proved my point multiple times. It turns it out it's worse than expected.
@@AaronOkeanos That's _hilarious_ given the UK is the only one out of EU nations to be accepted into the CPTPP & Canzuk Alliances. Again, are you overcompensating because your shitty little EU empire is a collapsing dwarf among giants?
@@Ganymede559 I pity you for still being in denial. Well we will not change reality by debating it here so if you don't mind I will lean back again and continue watching Brexit unfolding.
Important to note is that the problem the frugal four have with this 'giving away money' is that countries like Italy will not enforce any financial developments and run into the exact same issue in the next crisis. And the next. And the one after that one. And again. Etc. If these countries cannot reform, there will be such a difference in economies inside the EU that it will either fall apart or split up, leaving half of Europe to themselves. That might take years, or decades, but it's unavoidable that this is the new challenge the EU faces. It's time other countries started realising it too instead of allowing Italy to throw hate to the frugal four in international German papers.
A video that asks a question. never answers it and ends up asking it's viewers after discussing nothing but internal power shifts. A sort of video equivalent of opening a packet labelled cheese and onion crisps and the contents turning out to be prawn cocktail.
The answer to the question is subjective because it depends by which metrics you use to measure the strength of the EU. This channel wouldn't be very impartial or honest if it gave a straight answer.
The EU will be weaker on the world stage but internally will be temporarily more cohesive. The problem for the EU long term is that ever greater dominance by France and Germany, and fewer countries carrying the financial burden will lead to a growing imbalance, in both wealth and power, and sooner or later the smaller countries will get tired of being dictated to and the EU will break apart. This will take more or less time depending on how successful the UK is after Brexit.
well EU had a hard time since the joining of the east block but if we look poland is getting stronger quite fast which will lead to new wealth in the union
Well, it's not like countries were forced to join. Everyone with a working brain that knew about the EU had at least an idea that there would at least be attempts towards a unification towards something like the USA, but an European version.
It probably depends on whether Brexit triggers an avalanche of leavers. If it does, I would say that the EU will eventually collapse. If no other countries leave, then the EU will probably be neither weaker nor stronger than it is now. Of course, if the EU tries some sort of trade war against Britain, I predict that it may hit Britain in the short term, but it will be the EU which suffers most. As for Britain, I see renewed ties with the Commonwealth (but not CANZUK, that is not likely).
No other country will leave. Even the anti-EU parties here are no longer banging that particular drum because the vast majority of voters know very well that the EU has brought peace and prosperity. The Brexit mess has made the EU more popular.
@@no3wood Support for the EU in these countries is over 80% and this poll was taken mid pandemic even allowing for margins of error this is a massive endorsement of the EU and EU policies, whatever their problems the populations of these countries have the intelligence to know they are far better off in the EU. It is you and your little Englanders who are the butt of the joke.
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without any bias, the U.K. leaving offers the block the chance to form a federal state with one central governance. Letting us go presents the opportunity for the E.U. to follow this agenda for a super state and army without resistance from the U.K.
