There is a wider context than this, including in the Quran. Read the following (starting with hadith qudsi first, then coming back to the Quran): Hadith qudsi mentioned in the video, which is number one hadith qudsi at that, can't go in the same sentence with the everlasting Hellfire! For more details on this subject, I humbly suggest reading a Google translate of a tafseer (which is in Bosnian in original), do read it carefully (it starts with 11:106-107-108, which is an even better example that 6:128 I've previously used, as it clearly refers to ALL inhabitants of Hellfire, plus the further explanation, plus more hadith): 'Well, those unfortunates (they) are in hell. They will scream and shout there. They will remain there forever as long as the heavens and the earth last, except your Lord will. Indeed, your Lord does what He wills ”(11: 107-108). This verse emphasizes that the punishment of hell is not eternal. If we compare this last verse with the verse that follows it, then this side becomes even clearer: »> And those who are happy, they are in paradise where they will abide forever, as long as the heavens and the earth last, except your Lord wills. (This is) a gift that cannot be broken ”(11: 109). The expressions in both of these verses are the same. Both the inhabitants of heaven and the inhabitants of hell will remain in their abodes while the heavens and the earth last. One exception is then added to both of these verses. At the end of the verse, it is said that any doubt that one will come out of heaven is removed and that it is a gift that is not interrupted, and when one speaks of hell, it is finally said: "Indeed, your Lord does what He wills." This is also proved by the hadiths of the Prophet of God. One hadith in Sahih-Muslim says: “Almighty God will allow angels, prophets and the orthodox to seek intercession for sinners from Him. Finally, the Most Merciful will remain to share forgiveness, and only a handful of people will come out of hellfire who have never done any good in their lives. And "Sahihi - Bukhari" brings a hadith in which it is said that sinners will be thrown into the "River of Life" when they are taken out of hell. This throwing of sinners into the River of Life emphasizes that they will come to a state that is worthy of a higher life. "Kènzu-ámāl" recorded these hadiths: "There will come a time when hell will be inhabited, and later it will resemble a dried wheat stubble." "> One day will come, so no man will remain in hell." The words of Hadhrat-Umar were also recorded by women: "The inhabitants of hell will be as innumerable as the desert sand, but the time will come and everyone will come out of it."
@@alas2dust I have literally given you a hadeeth Qudsi with reference from Muslim 184, and you keep saying Hadeeth Qudsi Number 1. There is no book called Hadeeth Qudsi, it's just a term to mean a hadeeth in the Sahihayn from spoken words of Allah. So please use the correct reference like I have. Next, the verse in 11:106 talks about those who are Shaqoo, meaning wretched. Define what wretched means for me? Does wretched necessarily mean just unbelievers or everyone? Can people of tawheed also be wretched people? You are ascribing interpretations to Allah without knowledge. Those who are wretched can be both disbelievers and people with a grain of tawheed, thats why its up to Allah if he Wills that they be there eternally or not. Ibn Kathir mentions that when the verse mentions "as long as the heavens and earth endure". it is an Arabic phrase to mean eternity. Ibn Kathir also states that when it says except for Allah wills is in reference to those who are the disobedient people of tawheed. Hasan al Basri says that it could also mean that there will be a new heaven and earth in the New Creation, and everything will be eternal so when it says "as long as heaven and earth endure" could mean eternity. In regards to 11:108, the verse says "a never ending reward at the end" meaning heaven will be eternal, as long as Allah wills. The use of "as long as Allah wills" in the context of heaven is so we dont assume we will get heaven and to keep us on our toes in this life and could also be referring to the Disobedient of the People of Tawheed who will come to heaven. Allahualim. Either way, none of Surah 11 proves that heaven or hell is temporary for all. I'm sorry bro! You then cite a hadeeth that literally says "only a handful will be taken out"...these are people worthy of intercession. So what about the rest, brother? They stay for eternity! Please give reference of these hadeeth about inhabitants of hell eventually leaving? Especially the alleged Mawqoof hadeeth with Umar ibn Khattab, because I have never seen or heard of these? Kenzu Amal?! What is that? Do you have any authentic hadeeth with reference? You can't just say "a hadeeth says so and so...". If you can't give me a reference then I suggest you remove the comment until you do. And until you do I can't accept your opinion ya akhi! I need evidence with reference! Barakallu feekum
Also I once heard that if Allah would have given the unbelievers and wrong-doers eternal life, they would have eternally be unbelievers and wrong doers, therefore it's only just for them to burn in hell forever. However God Knows All.
This argument is non sense. If that's the case then why not put them in hell fire as soon as they reach puberty since they won't be believing in Allah. And also what about putting the muslim dictators in hellfire forever since they would continue to murder if they had eternal life.
Does this make any sense ? If ALLAH SWT would have given eternal life on earth to believers, it is possible that even they may turn to disbelievers ❗ Where's the justice ?
@ALJ1HAD No whoever died as a believer, they would have been living as believers forever that's why Allah took their souls as believer's. You're assuming wrong and that's bad opinion about Allah and major kufr you just apostated from Islam if you already were a muslim to begin with. Allah is the Most Just.
This is Islam for you. We love Ibn Taymiyyah so much but he is a human being and can make mistakes! May Allah forgive his shortcomings and admit him in His eternal paradise!
@Orient Express Is Ibn Arabi a famous known in the west? That's strange because we Muslims who live in the Muslim world that person Ibn Arabi has not the same fame here (in the Muslim world) and we considered him a non Muslim as many Muslim scholars says through history, so keep talking about that person and comparing him to Ibn Tayyimiah shows that there something wrong!
@Orient Express there's an ibn Arabi that is on hardcore sufism that says Allah is everywhere like the pagans and other nonsense stuff, many scholars said his shirk was beyond that of firaun awuthubillah!
I don't know about this but I know one thing and that is our concept or understanding of time is limited to this life (Dunya) but the hereafter have totally different rules we can't comprehend with our limited minds, and I know that Allah is the most merciful and Allah mercy and forgiveness is unlimited, so arguing in this subject does not benefit anyone.
A remarkably interesting and informative video! Such discussions and varying views are part of a long tradition of Muslim scholarship, and regardless of who is right or wrong, they are all to be appreciated. Thank you very much, Paul!
@@johnbrzykcy3076 sorry, you don't have his teachings. You don't even know his name. Or his teachings. Or his views. Or his beliefs. But, we do, alhamdulillah.
@@ponderingspirit No, I have already spoken at length with John before and he does not want to understand. So it seems it is you who is speaking from ignorance...
Brother Paul, a friendly recommendation. You are a seeker of knowledge and Allah has given you faculty to understand. I dont know if you havent already but have you considered reading the Quran via a tafsir of Great Scholars of the Classical age? There are many, but the one I recommend to start with is Ibn Kathir and there are free online translations of his great work. These scholars have memorised the Quran, many many hadeeth, and understanding of previous scholars who all if not most agree on their status amongst the people of knowledge, all with the understanding of the Arabic language. With these tools and skills that me and you dont have, he explains, verse by verse, the understanding of the Quran drawing on all of that they have learned. He discusses the difference of opinion as well, and suggests what he believes to be the best understanding of a word or a part a verse. It is fascinating and has completely made me look at the Quran in a way more effective and Truthful way. Give it a go, ibn Kathir's tafsir is fairly concise yet detailed and enjoyable for the reader, and recommended for beginners. There are other tafsir like of Imam At-Tabari which is voluminous and the best, so is for advanced students of knowledge. However Ibn Kathir cites many of the other older tafsir works as well.
@@BloggingTheology “And those who strive in Our (cause), - We will certainly guide them to our Paths: For verily Allah is with those who do right” [Quran, 29:69].
@@BloggingTheology I came to confirm, Don't get me wrong your academic videos are fascinating. But there will always be a great difference between a cold academic non believer thesis and the product of Muslim scholars dedicated their lives just to understand what Allah meant with his sacred message starting from the baes that it is the ultimate truth of Allah and the wisdom of his prophet PBUH.
Correction: this is Jon Hoover’s understanding of Ibn Taymiyyah’s view. There are literally Arabic speaking Muslim scholars who have been teaching, reading, studying, editing the books of Ibn Taymiyyah for years and don’t share this view of Jon Hoover.
Dr Israr Ahmed (Pakistan's most famous scholar) also believed that Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Arabi both believed that Hell is non-eternal. It's not just Jon Hoover If you know Urdu, here is the link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2Jmy3cKsN58.html
I didn't know Ibn Taymiyya until I met you. I have now to study his theological views, they sound amazing. Got to know more. What is eternity for us? For Allah? I see hope for me, for all. 👍🏽😘
Allah SWT mercy knows no boundaries and beyond what we human beings can understand. He may or may not put the unbelievers in hell fire forever or not at all at his own mercy.
I mean Ibn Qayyim and Ibn Taymiyyah might have this view but the vast majority of scholars in Islam believe that hellfire is forever and obviously certain individuals and groups of people will reside in hell forever. It’s still interesting to think about if hellfire will be forever or not but then *in my personal opinion* these types of views won’t benefit us anyway
Where is the justice of Allah swt when the wrongdoer who lived and committed sins only for several years in this world but to be punished forever in the hell on the other hands Allah swt himself says he is the most rahman, the most rahim and the most adl.
@@arifmantias8216 Who are you to judge Allah’s justice and mercy? If you think that’s not just then it’s your fault. I can also tell you how can someone swear at Allah day and night, slander him then go to heaven? Why? We are humans with limited knowledge and arguing these matters will never reach us to an appropriate conclusion. The Quran and Hadith clearly says that hellfire for non-believers is forever and that is a consensus of scholars. Even regarding Ibn Taymeyah and Ibn Al-Qayem there are scholars who said they meant a specific type of hell not the one for the non-believers. May Allah guide us🤍
@@arifmantias8216 Because Allah SWT IS most Just and Most Merciful, then know that no one will be punished unless they are deserving of it. You are not the one who created humanity and know best what is in their hearts - Allah does. The greatest crime and the only one Allah SWT will not forgive, is disbelief despite having received the message. Again, Allah has knowledge we don't know, so stop trying to pretend you know better. This lecture is long, but explains the rationale of hell in Islam and provides evidences: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1ve1dtkdybA.html
@@arifmantias8216 if you’re transgressing against an infinite being, with infinite attributes and powers, then you shall be punished for an infinite amount of time, a punishment that befits the transgressed upon; very simple. Why give life imprisonment for murder?
Darkev What purpose is actually served by keeping a sinner in hell forever? You sure love the word 'infinite'. So is this god of yours infinitely cruel? The doctrine of reincarnation is a much fairer one, whereby we are punished by our sins and not for them.
Well regarding tafsir, Hadith, and aqeedah Ibn Taymiyyah is among the least Orthodox scholars in the history of Islam. There are thousands of scholars who represent orthodoxy and Ibn Taymiyyah is the bottom of the list. He's probably the most extreme controversial figure in Islamic aqeedah The benefit Ibn Taymiyyah had for the ummah was in fiqh, Hanbali madhhab owes him a debt, but most of what he said about Quran Hadith and Aqeedah is wrong sometimes outright deviation bordering on disbelief and this is one example of that
His Aqidah was Al Wassitiyyah, and its taken from Quran with evidence from Sunnah, so i dont think that he was the deviated one. Its the other scholars who thought they are allowed to interpret meanings into Kalamullah without actual proof in Sunnah...that crushed our Ummah and ripped her apart
﴿ وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوا لَوْ أَنَّ لَنَا كَرَّةً فَنَتَبَرَّأَ مِنْهُمْ كَمَا تَبَرَّءُوا مِنَّا ۗ كَذَٰلِكَ يُرِيهِمُ اللَّهُ أَعْمَالَهُمْ حَسَرَاتٍ عَلَيْهِمْ ۖ وَمَا هُم بِخَارِجِينَ مِنَ النَّارِ﴾ Those who followed will say, "If only we had another turn [at worldly life] so we could disassociate ourselves from them as they have disassociated themselves from us." Thus will Allah show them their deeds as regrets upon them. And they are never to emerge from the Fire. [ سورة البقرة: 167]
Only Allah know best...on judgement day everything will laid open in front of us...We will argue or take side but Allah hold the key..We will know when the time is set for us...Only Allah know best....
Actually Ibn Taymiyyah never argues for that; yes he does mention that opinion and further states the “strong” arguments supporting such a view, but he himself never claims that Hell vanishes or gets annihilated. In fact, he suggested the contrary (i.e., Hell *is* everlasting) in explicit terms, and he agreed upon the consensus of scholars in that regard. I can provide Arabic sources if anyone wants.
Paul has presented the case near Ibn Taymiah's death...so your proof might stand null and void. Ofcourse he would have said that wayy before his death.
Hell is everlasting, like this universe. But that does not mean that those in Hell will abide there forever. Besides nothing is said of potential death in Paradise and Hell, merely because if the soul leaves Paradise or Hell, therefore dying in her own understanding, that does not show up as death in our world because ultimately, the only death that we can talk about is leaving here below
Salaams from South Africa 🇿🇦 … very interesting … a question often asked … kitaab ul imaan is also a interesting book 📕 to read by ibn taymia translation by shadia tel … please do a review of it if possible Paul… thank you 🙏
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyya clearly mentioned in his book "الرد على من قال بفناء الجنة والنار" (The Refutation of He Who Claims the Extinguishing of al-Janna and a-Nar) that the statement for the extinguishing of them was not said the the Selef, the Sahaba or the Taba'een, but is rather the statement of the Jahamiyya (see page 42 of the Dar Balansiyya printing which is available online). However, he seems to imply at the end of the book that the punishment in the "Nar" will end as that's in accordance with Allah's rahma (literally Mercy) and hikma (literally wisdom) (see page 83 of the same edition) and Allah knows best.
It seems thar many have missed the point.. Look how ibn Taymiyah rahemtullah thought of his lord.. Full of mercy, that could and is encompassating everything.. MashAllah.. right or wrong our lord is how we think of him. May Allah have mercy on all of us, and may the shefat of profet Muhammed s.a.w.s encompassate all the human race who had mercy in their hearts and may we all go to jannah with our loved ones 🤲🤲 Amin
"God does not elicit human praise and love out of need. Nothing can add to God's immeasurably greater praise and love of himself."... Nicely put :) may Allah swt reward you good brother for sharing these comments with us. Salam.
Do you think people bow down and pray out of their control ? They do it because they choose to do it. God, gave us options. One is salvation, the other is punishment. You are free to choose. It is not about afterlife only. If you deny, your worldly life also becomes empty, pointless, miserable, lacking spirit, lacking the essence... Again.. you are free to choose. Salam/Peace.
@@asad-kc8zf and if I don’t I get burned in hell? That’s not a choice dude. It’s like saying if a robber points a gun at you and says “you’re money or you’re life” and you don’t give him the money, you CHOSE to get shot. The entire binary choice is ridiculous. Try harder then this
@@orangesoul4289 But you're still not forced to abide these "binary choices" you have free will to choose. No one is forcing me to pray and no one is forcing you to pray either. Its a difference of acknowledging our creator you still have choice and free will. Look at the world even those who acknowledge don't take action in practice yet no one forces them to change their life.
If i get into paradise nshallah, i dont want to have Stalin, george bush and few serial killers as neighbours...so for that reason according to this video i say Ibn taimya was wrong... at the end of the day , Ibn Taimya was a Great thinker , but only a human, may Allah grant him for his works ..many thanks Paul for this instructive Post. 🕋🕋🕋
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Allah laughs at two men, one of them killed the other, yet they both entered Paradise. This one fought in the way of Allah and was killed, then his killer repented and was also martyred.” Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 2671, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1890
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 he is implying that hell i s temporary but he never said it out loudly and his belief is that Allah knows he argues that Allah didn't say that hell is forever or temporary
Makes sense if you change the entire meaning of the word ‘forever’ All I know is that He is not unjust. As for matters of afterlife, all we need to know is that hellfire is a terrible abode and that we should avoid it by all means. While debating technicalities people tend to miss the bigger picture. ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَالُوا لَن تَمَسَّنَا النَّارُ إِلَّا أَيَّامًا مَّعْدُودَاتٍ وَغَرَّهُمْ فِي دِينِهِم مَّا كَانُوا يَفْتَرُونَ That is because they used to say, "The fire will most certainly not touch us for more than a limited number of days":
That is not his view, what makes the person think ibn taymiyyah holds it, is the fact that whenever he brings the evidences of his opponents he represents and explains them with great integrity, to the point that you might assume he is advocating for them, and in this case there is no exception, he brought the two views without doing "tarjeeh" or choosing between them, however in another book called "naqd maratib al-ijmaa" which is a critique of ibn hazm's book, when he reached the issue of eternity of hell, ibn hazam reported consensus on it and ibn taymiyyah agreed on that, and this clarifies his position, another factor that helps us understand more is the fact that his brilliant student ibn al-qayyim, has an opinion on the matter too, and he differentates between the hell that would be for disbelievers, and the hell that would be for believers who committed major sins, as we all know, all believers would eventually get out of hell, and ibn Qayyim says they were not with the disbelievers in their hell fire, therefore when the punishment is lifted upon them and they get out from hell to heaven, that hell in which the believers were in would vanish and has an end, because there is nobody in it anymore, but as for the hell that the disbelievers are in, it would not vanish for eternity because the disbelievers' punishment is to suffer in it for ever, and upon this there is consensus. And Allah knows best
I am conflicted on the matter but I really like your approach to the issue as a theological exercise. Many take it really strictly and make a "life or death" matter or worse (a hell or heaven one). When it's just a viable opinion that pretty much could be true. And it has little effects on a person who cares about (a believer) then why worry so much about it.
Quran also States somewhere that "Hell is worst place to be, even if it is for few moments". And one sahih-hadith that I heard today states The heat of the hellfire is 70 times stronger than fire on this earth. Only this should be sufficient warning for both believers & disbeliever to take Quran seriously, submits & obey Allah and to seek refuge from Hell Fire.
Everybody will wake up in the hell So Allah says we will come and save believers and ppl we wished. So who are they that Allah wished to save. Or do Allah has to save disbelievers from hellfire. My opinion is Allah will save everybody from hellfire
Alhamdulillah Berkah Allah Selalu Melimpah Ruah.. Terima Kasih Ya Allah semua Nikmat Hidup Ini... Mari kita sejenak menyempatkan diri untuk membaca dzikir ringan ini. Subhanallah 3x Alhamdulillah 3x Laillaha illallah 3x Allahu Akbar 3x Laa Ilaha Illallah Wahdahu Laa Syarika Lah Lahul Mulku Wa Lahul Hamdu Wa Huwa 'Ala Kulli Syai'in Qodir 3x Allahumma shali ala Muhammad.. 3x Dan Segala Puji Bagi Allah Yang Maha Hidup dan Yang Maha Menghidupkan, Kokohkan Ajaran Tauhid di setiap sendi kehidupan Wahai Saudara Saudaraku.. Semoga Kita Di Ampuni Allah dan di masukan Ke SurgaNya... Amin.
In an examination hall, if few candidates are not willing to handover their answer sheets to the invigilator then how can they expected success even they 100% answers correctly?
Makes you think about oneself than judging anyone else. Judgement belongs to Allah only. We must strive to focus in being a believer and spread the mesaage as much as possible so that Allah does not hold this against us.
I really liked ibn taymiya argument that chastisement is for cleansing of the soul therefore endless punishment makes no sense. Universal salvation could be a possibility 🙏
If that was true, then what is the purpose of this life here, and especially of being a muslim. In the end, it doesn't matter if you are muslim or not if universal salvation was at stake. Some sects of christians also hold this belief, Seventh day adventists for one. As seemingly comforting as it may seem, this belief will give confidence to non-muslims, for example, that they can remain as they are. Dangerous teaching... Rethink.
This is actually compatible with some iterations of classical Islamic theology. For example, the 'Asharis make a distinction between khulf-ul-wa'd and khulf-ul-wa'eed, i.e., the Divine Promise (of Paradise) vs. the Divine Threat (of Hell)--they point out that God must keep His Promises, because He is Truthful and Good, and it can't be rightly said that a Truthful and Good would not keep His promise--However, a Divine Threat doesn't have to be adhered to, because noble, truthful, and good ones can conceivably threaten someone who does wrong, but then not follow through on that threat out of Mercy. This has to do with the fundamental difference between a promise and a threat at their most base essences. Hence even if God does threaten people with eternal damnation in the Qu'ran (which even this is disputed by some scholars; for which, see, Q. 6:128, 11:107, and 7:156 )--still, even if we take this claim that the Qu'ran proclaims eternal punishment prima facie, many Muslim theologians would maintain that He doesn't have to follow through on this threat, and that to forego it in no wise contradicts God's Truthfulness or Goodness. Of course, one should not rely on this, since there is room for it to be a mistaken presumption--esp. considering why the Divine Threat exists in the first place. For some, "the stick" is more of a motivator than the carrot, after all. But, that said, if someone is struggling with the idea of an eternal hell, such that it's harming their relationship with Allah--these less exclusivist views are all positions which one could conceivably hold to, in order to assuage their concerns.
Another verse: 6:128 The day He will assemble all of them together, (Allah will say to Jinn) “O species of Jinns, you have done too much against mankind.” Their friends from among the human beings will say, “Our Lord, some of us have benefited from others, and we have reached our term that You had appointed for us.” He will say, “The Fire is your Abode wherein you will remain for ever, unless Allah wills (otherwise). Surely, your Lord is All-Wise, All-Knowing.”
Initial divine act of bringing the universe into existence from non existence was an act of infinite divine mercy. We as created beings can hope and only pray that it prevails….. eternally. Peace.
I'm sure that whatever happens to those souls in the hereafter, Allah SWT chose those words for the Quran, because if He stated otherwise, like entering paradise after cleansing the soul of its wrongdoings, unbelievers would have much less motivation to become believers. Allah uses fear and agony to warn us, putting it more softly would never have the same effect on human beings
We are familiar with two words in The Qur’an . “ chastisement “ , “ permanent Chastisement “. Where solo chastisement is mentioned there we don’t know what will happen to them after . Allah ( SWT ) knows the best . About permanent chastisement it is final. “ No man can change the words of Allah “- The Qur’an. Nothing can be added to The Qur’an or subtracted from The Qur’an , not even a notion .
Surah Al-Asr(3 ayat) Allah tells us that Mankind is in "loss"! Except... (1) By time, (2) Indeed, mankind is in loss, (3) Except for those who have believed and done righteous deeds and advised each other to truth and advised each other to patience..
Many muslims are complacent/ lazy and procrastinate in the certainty that they as Muslims will not abide in Hell forever. I feel the descriptions of it are enough for us to be astute in our quest for heaven without account. InshaAllah.
We humans got very limited thinking capacity comparing to the Creator , therefor we should not think instead of his Almighty ,,i can not imagine that the king of beauty , the king of mercy will keep hell for ever ,,,
A Very Interesting topic this, the Hell Fire most likely is Eternal however not all of the residents of Hell Fire will abide in it forever. There was a Hadith in Bukhari which goes like this "When people of Heaven will enter Heaven and people of Hellfire will enter Hell, Allah will order the people who had mustard seed of Imaan(faith) to be TAKEN OUT of Hellfire" however people who committed Shirk (Shaytan, Pharaoh..etc) will remain in Hell forever as Qur'an quotes "They will abide theirin Forever" . And Allah Knows best 💖
Daud fasting and seek benefit knowledge to increase our faith is the best way to make our desire weak. I hope Allah always guide us to the straight path, forgive our sins and make us khusnul khotimah (good ending)
Thank you sir. This determination is the sole prerogative of God alone, not the intellectual deliberations of any person, however eminent his scholarship. The Glorious Qur'an made absolutely clear that the disbelievers will abide in Hell forever. It will also be unjust that they live their entire lives in disbelief and wrongdoing while deriding the Truth which has come to them and then ultimately be allowed to enter Paradise. Then what is the absolute purpose of following the Truth, living a good life and making all the necessary sacrifices in this world in order to enter Paradise, when in the end, everyone will eventually enter anyway? Also, the Glorious Qur'an affirms that even if they were given a second chance at the point of death to live again, they will still be recalcitrant and not follow the Truth. Thus, Allah swt in His infinite knowledge denied them a second chance.
Life offers full of chances to people to improve themselves from: days, months and years. This life is a test: we pass or fail, depending on how we lived and what we did in this life, either to be rewarded or punished in this life and afterlife. Many humans are weak in mind, thinking death is never near. Life is short, live your day as if it’s your last day, do good and repent. Allah (God) loves those who seek to him for guidance/help/forgiveness.
Why get an opinion when we have a definitive statement from Allah Himself? : 33:63 People ask you about the Hour. Say, "The knowledge of the Hour is with God alone. Yet for your purposes, the Hour may be near." 33:64 Surely, God rejects those who reject the truth, and has readied for them a Blazing Fire. 33:65 Therein to abide forever, they will find then no patron nor helper.
I remembered, I read a hadith before, I'll need time to find it, but it hinted to the fact that unbelievers burning in hell for eternity/forever doesn't exclude the fact that hell is eternal. Hellfire could also seize to exist. But in all honesty I don't even think that hadith was explicit
The saying of the Imam of Al-Ittihadiya, Ibn Arabi Al-Ta’i, that he claimed that its people are tormented during it for a while, then their natures turn fiery and they enjoy fire because it agrees with their natures.
{ لَّـٰبِثِینَ فِیهَاۤ أَحۡقَابࣰا } [Surah An-Nabaʾ: 23] They will dwell therein for ages I think through my humble knowledge, all people at the end are out of hell and that befits God's mercy. Allah knows best
Paul,. Thanks for bringing up the subject. However, the discussion of the subject may be lacking of a base in terms ofthe definition of the term "forever" in a time dimensiin you cannot argue about forever where there is no time.... what is forever if there is no time dimensiin? We need to establish the definition of time for hereafter. .best wishes.
@Yassin Zao if time did not exist before, then the time was created by Allah. We know from quran that Allah does not have beginning.if something has a beginning then there is an end too. Physics also says that. See entropy principles....so if you say forever but you dont know the dimension of forever you dont know the ,"forever" in physical world... the terms are very long to explain... sorry if i make mistakes....
Surah al bayyinah(The clear proof)98:6 Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of ˹all˺ beings. - Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
The best part of this video is the comment by brother Paul Williams starting at 10:05, explaining how Islam is not restricted to one scholar's understanding. Ibn Taymiyya (rahimahullah) indeed made ijtihad and he couldn't arrive at the correct understanding. This however doesn't make him a kafir or a fasiq. Scholars discuss this in detail and disagrees with him beautifully, saying he did ijthihad and erred so he will be rewarded once. That's the beauty of Islam. I would recommend Brother Paul to sometimes discuss these issues from point of view of Muslim scholars, where we can both benefit from their knowledge and also their etiquettes of disagreeing in matters like these. For example, this very issue can be studied from a Muslim scholars perspective from Prof. Umar Sulaiman al-Ashqar's the Islamic Creed series (Vol:7).
Sir I have a question to you. Is the bible only for children of israel or whole over the world.. Can any person preach bible or not ? Because everywhere bible says children of israel or god of israel
I can't see how the idea that God will punnish someone infinately does not contradict His Divines names and attributes of mercy and forgiveness. Parents threaten their own misbehaving kids with punnishment, out of love and no real intention to actually punnish them; so I could see why threats of eternal Hell might just be that - a threat- which won't actually be carried out. I think if God just threatened people with a certain amount of time in Hell, they just wouldn't care.
With all my respect Ibn Taymmiya could be right and based on what Omar (ra) also said - I have been reviewing this subject for few years and reached the conclusion that hell fire will be extinguished
Hellfire is not eternal, the word "khalidina" and "abad" it also means for a long time. read also V.128 An-naam in arabic: ila macha allahu which means "except what God wants" (speaking of the length of stay in hell) also in v.107 and 108 (Hud) he says the same thing v23 (an-naba) the prophet mohamed talked about the last men in the hellfire who after he go in paradise. there is other evidence too
Despite all the hate ibn taymeyah gets, he’s the most moderate man, scholar in Islamic history. For example, Most people assume that if you divorce your wife out of anger, then it’s an official divorce however, ibn taymeyah says otherwise. Also, relating yesterday’s video, prophet Muhammad sall allahu alayhe wa sallm said “Allah created Adam in his own image” ibn taymeyah says yes, Allah sees all so Allah bestowed us with eyes, sight etc.
Ibn Taymiyah habitually states all other scholar's/sect's openions when discussing issues and some of the unfair inventionests who disagree with him on other subjects hastely attribute these opinions to him. He also usually apologizes for the opinions of people he disagrees with them and some people think or rather wish that he agrees with that. And his rivals typically have good faith in the atheist Ibn Arabi and apologize for him while they have bad faith in the salfi Ibn Taymyiah and condemn him.
Just so I understand, if we say ibn taymiya was wrong in this view, then what about the more important view of umar al khattab? Plus their not being a consensus among the companions? What about that?
Ah, but the Muslims do not take the concept of shirk far enough. Shirk means there is only God, so no Quran ,Mohammed, Kaaba etc are needed. God has always been present and is not dependent on any prophet for revelation. This is the message of Jiddhu Krishnamurti, who taught people to be a light to themselves. If this is not the case, then there are any number of arbitrary cases where people are 'sent' to hell - in the minds of Muslims - because they have not heard of Islam, were born before Mohammed etc
@@jonathanspilhaus3165 please read more about Islam’s view on people before Muhammed saw. Islam started from Adam, dear. And God tells us in Quran, that people will be judged fairly, based on what they were exposed to. So it doesn’t matter what you or Muslims think , we believe and know God is most wise most just and will never punish more than what is due.
@@hbk3119 The idea that God punishes is rather flawed ... someone who dies as a cruel person will naturally attract others of the same mentality and indeed create the very conditions for punishment. We are punished by our sins, not for them. If one sees Law as an aspect of God, then by 'breaking' these laws, one simply creates adverse conditions. You can see this in physical laws. In metaphysics... If we were instantly punished for what we did, we would have no free will and no capacity to grow in understanding. I went to a school where caning was still allowed. When the headmaster appeared, there was an instant hush in the class ... but as soon as he left, the innate natures of the pupils quickly came to the fore. So metaphysical laws have to be more subtle, to allow for growth, both good and bad. Life is a school and we are here to learn lessons. The mind creates the after life states that follow as a consequence, not as a punishment. That said, it is obvious that keeping faithful to a genuine path, keeping the company of like minded people and so on is a boon
@@jonathanspilhaus3165 >>>Shirk means there is only God, so no Quran ,Mohammed, Kaaba etc are needed. ---------------- God is the ONE AND ONLY; NO PARTNERS. The Prophet, Quran, Kaaba are not worshipped as God. No Muslim equates them with God.
He had very peculiar views on a number of things which is the main reason why he never has a big following until modern times where some corners recreated his image. Listen to Saed Fodehs, one of the great modern theologians, talks on him which quote directly from Ibn Taymiyas Arabic works. It's pretty damming stuff at times.
Adding another opinion in the mix, forgive me if already mentioned. There are some that will remain in the hellfire forever but that doesn't necessarily mean the punishmet, or pain, will be forever.
It all depends how one defines heaven and hell. It’s right here in this world. In principle it’s the same but it’s nature changes through the process of transformation of death. We have been given some hints but it’s true nature only Allah knows. Peace.
Indeed, Ibn Tymiyah was wrong regarding Hellfire annellation. Without a shadow of a doubt, the consensus of the first three generations is upon the eternal dwelling of the non-believers in Hellfire. It is enough to read in the Quran an explicate Aayah affirming the correct Islamic creed regarding the everlasting chastisement of the Kuffar where Allah clearly says: {And so Allah will make them (the disbelievers) remorseful of their misdeeds. And they will never ˹be able to˺ leave the Fire} Al-Baqarah, 167. {كذلك يريهم الله أعمالهم حسرات عليهم وما هم بخارجين من النار} البقرة، 167
@@zorbatv5119 Assuming Ibn Taiymiyah said that; let us establish one of the most important Islamic principles ever: When dealing with scholar(s) whose opinion opposes the clear evidence, one is represented with two options (with no possible third); either reject the scholar(s)' opinion and follow the evidence, or follow their opinion and reject the evidence; assuming Islamic identity, sanity and the non-existence of a sward on one's neck the choice is clear.
Very interesting vid. The question about eternal hell is for me Would god create creatures that he already knows they are going to be in hell eternally before he even made them? Thus he creates them for no other purpose but to be in hell forever. Their purpose is hell they were created for it. What purpose does it serve for God to create human beigns for no other reason but to be eternally punished. And since they deserve to be eternally tortured, why create such evil only for the purpose to be eternally punished for it. What is to gain from this for god or anyone. It's like a car manufacturer deliberately creating a car that's not fit for driving that it keeps crashing and causing accidents. . What purpose does this car serve. When Quran says the disbelievers and those who do evil will abide therein forever. Will they no longer be disbelievers and their evil will be destroyed through the torment.🤷♀️ And is the greatest torment beign far from God and thus having no hope and helper. The tormented on earth when you're not close to Allah is unbearable like a dark void. Imagine the hereafter its literally hell. Also no point comparing Allah to his creation he is infinitely wiser. Dont compare with kings who are arrogant weak and emotional and extremely insecure who 'shout off with his head' the moment someone offends them. can Allah get offended and be hurt by us. Can a child even make a grown up so angry he wants to put it away in prison for life. Anger is the lowest of human emotions it's just another word for beign hurt or upset or self piety. Hell cannot be because Allah is 'angry' can he even get angry and who or what could hurt him. There must be another reason. Would you create something that makes you so angry/upset and hurt you need to seek revenge. This has confused me for a long time, great video...i am not claiming to know anything , just have questions about eternal punishment as punishment serves a purpose of correction or keeping the public save but eternal damnation because you were created to be eternally damned.. .i dont know. Allah knows best. Gr8 vid!
Allah's judgement is supreme not man nor the highiest in wisdom. 4:169 Indeed, those who disbelieve and commit wrong [or injustice] - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a path, except that of Hell, to stay there for ever and ever. And that is easy for Allah.
Truth should be Simple, However here It is interesting to see how winding and complicated the language and explanation are, just to persuade one to disbelieve the truth which is right in front of your eyes, and to justify that "black is not really black but it is white"
(And they say: "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days:" Say: "Have ye taken a promise from Allah, for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of Allah what ye do not know?") Quran 2 :80 The idea of purification for a period of time is invented by the Jews and Allah refuted them in this verse
There is purification by the fire but thats for believers, it's been mentioned many times in hadiths. Allah refuted the jews specificly because they were given the final message but still disbelieved and think that they can be purified and then taken out and granted paradise.
@@rustyray420 yes brother I was responding to the idea mentioned in the video that the disbelievers won’t stay in the hellfire forever I know that there’s a purification for some of the believers
Agreed. It seems as if according to my thoughts that humans who attribute hell forever use it as a way of otherising other humans to eternal hell because they believe their life is wrong. But I believe Allah's mercy encompasses all beings, no matter how long hell is. I like to think of hell as almost like a hospital, those who are in it are very sick (from their misdeeds of this life) and suffering in order reform them in hell and eventually will be admitted to jannah. Although these are my thoughts, Allah knows best the reality.
It's not just Jon Hoover who found Ibn Taymiyyah to believe that hell is non-eternal. Dr Israr Ahmed (Pakistan's most famous scholar) also believed that Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Arabi both believed that Hell is non-eternal. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2Jmy3cKsN58.html
@@JAZIBKALEEM Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: The early generations of this ummah and its imams (leading scholars) are unanimously agreed that among created things there are some that will never cease to be. They are Paradise, Hell, the Throne, and so on. No one suggested that all created things will cease to be except a group of innovators among the People of the Book. This is a false idea. End quote from Mukhtasar al-Fataawa al-Masriyyah (1/169).
@@JAZIBKALEEM Islam Q A says he didn't say we need to look at the direct quotes if anything to settle, he has books refuting this. Islam is based on primary knowledge not gossip, this is what we learn from being Muslim following Quran & sunna like when refuting contradictions in bible!
One of the verses of the Quran is that once Allah or His Messenger has passed a ruling or decision on a certain matter, no one is permitted to have a contrary opinion. So when anyone reads the Quran it is binding on him to accept it as it is. Interpolations or opinions are not to be resorted to. Trying to say that forever does not mean forever is extremely stupid by whoever has done so.
