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William E. Rees: "The Fundamental Issue - Overshoot" | The Great Simplification #53

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Show Summary:
On this episode, Nate is joined by systems ecologist William E. Rees. Professor Rees outlines why most of the challenges facing humanity and the biosphere have a common origin - ecological overshoot. Bill also unpacks “the ecological footprint” - a concept that he co-created, that measures the actual resources used by a given population. Bill also describes his experience as a leading thinker in public policy and planning based on ecological conditions for sustainable socioeconomic development, and the challenges he’s faced working in a system which (so far) rejects such premises. Is it possible for a different way of measuring the system to set different goals of what it means to be successful as a society?
About Bill Rees:
William Rees is a population ecologist, ecological economist, Professor Emeritus and former Director of the University of British Columbia’s School of Community and Regional Planning in Vancouver, Canada. He researches the implications of global ecological trends for the longevity of civilization, with special foci on urban (un)sustainability and cultural/cognitive barriers to rational public policy. Prof Rees is best known as the originator and co-developer with Dr Mathis Wackernagel of ‘ecological footprint analysis’ (EFA), a quantitative tool that estimates human demands on ecosystems and the extent to which humanity is in ‘ecological overshoot.’ Dr Rees is a founding member and former President of the Canadian Society for Ecological Economics; a founding Director of the OneEarth Living Initiative; a Fellow of the Post-Carbon Institute and an Associate Fellow of the Great Transition Initiative.
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@deirdreryan6253 Год назад

I can’t recall anyone else expressing earths predicament with such clarity and honesty. Thanks for this conversation

@Peace2051 Год назад

He's an "International Treasure" (to borrow a concept from the Japanese who recognize their "national treasures").

@dabrupro Год назад

Yes. And depth.

@cedarmountain1525 Год назад

Dr. Jem Bendell also speaks in these ways. Amazingly so. Here's a 15 minute clip that could knock your socks off. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DAZJtFZZYmM.html

@Peace2051 Год назад

@@cedarmountain1525 Thank you! That was great. You might be interested in the psychology of dealing with collapse with Michael Dowd's Sanity 101 (he believes it's his best video out there): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IeDcreVILTE.html

@cedarmountain1525 Год назад

@@Peace2051 Yes, thank you. I have watched several of his videos!

@CitizenK1969 Год назад

"Yes we could, but we won't." That captures my view as well. For me, there is a theme emerging in the Great Simplification interviews: there is something sort of "mathematically inevitable" (note the quotation marks) about our predicament. Human cultures that are rapacious simply out compete those that are restrained in resource use... so without pan-species behavioral changes, we can't escape our "fate." I think this is why Nate started out looking at energy and the environment, but has arrived at a place of increasingly talking about human motivation, human nature. We either have to transcend our nature, or literally transform into something different, a species less inherently competitive, more in tune with its ecosystem... I'm reminded of the end of Vonnegut's novel /Galapagos/, which sees humanity survive, long term, by regressing into a kind of sea lion species. I want to believe we can overcome out nature, but history puts that in serious doubt.

@R3bel02 Год назад

I also liked "knowledge per se doesn't change behavior"

@mkkrupp2462 Год назад

Yes, the great majority of people don’t want to know about what lies ahead. My experience is that they don’t want to hear about it or discuss it. They prefer to watch Netflix and entertain themselves.

@EvolutionWendy Год назад

I read Galapagos! Human nature is hardwired to consider the opinions of our group as more important than our individual opinions, because that was the best survival strategy. Herd instinct leada us off a cliff.

@Jabjabs Год назад

Alan Watts once said it in a most pessimistic way - If we can, we will. As in, if we can kick the can down the road, we will.

@grindupBaker Год назад

If you build it they will come.

@itsureishotout-itshotterin3985 Год назад

Mr Rees is perhaps the best explainer of our dilemma. Excellent conversation. I’m thoroughly depressed.

@alandoane9168 Год назад

I hope Nate channels his own being "bummed out," as he says, into a more realistic view of things going forward.

@JaseboMonkeyRex Год назад

You're comment made me laugh ... At least we can share a laugh at the nature of our situation. 🥰

@itsureishotout-itshotterin3985 Год назад

Wiley E Coyote was always funny to me!

@j.rivermartin3412 Год назад

Depression is okay, but not a good place to get stuck! I recommend grieving as a cure. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EaI-4c92Mqo.html Over recent years I have probably literally shed buckets of tears, and likely before I pass into oblivion I'll cry a lot more. But now, at least, I know my tears are beautiful, natural and nourishing to all of life.

@EvolutionWendy Год назад

Que Sera Sera. Decided to "retire" and live supporting the living plants and animals around me. No longer persuading people to please be rational. Marvel ecosystem we barely knew before we fucked it up.

@jmm8291 Год назад

Presented in such an understandable manner. Thank you for having Prof Rees on the podcast. He is one of my hero’s for being willing to speak these unpopular truths

@Libertariun Год назад

Unpopular? I doubt it. There are at least two generations currently embracing this latest version of end of the world messages.

@EmeraldView Год назад

@Jon Dear Not the kids I know, who are in high school now. They are preparing for and being prepared for a world that won't exist. The world we have lived in for decades. They are wasting their time and they don't even seem to know it.

@OldEarthWisdom Год назад

I am an old woman of 68 years. I can only do what I can do. I own only 13 pounds of "stuff" and a little dog, I live in a town in Mexico that uses only renewable energy and cleans the water before sending it back to the ocean. I only eat whole-plant food and nothing processed including no oil. My life is not boring as I live within walking distance to everything including the ocean beaches and our town is surrounded by a national forest to hike and explore. Of course, I spend too much time on the internet educating myself.

@kevincrady2831 Год назад

That's awesome. What town do you live in?

@4imagesmore Год назад

Can I come stay?

@donpainter5427 Год назад

That sounds like a wonderful lifestyle EW! I'm happy for you.

@tribebuddha Год назад

No cooking oil? Wow. I guess I'm gonna quit cooking oil, too. Simplify! Edit: I live on top of a hill with underprivileged and orphan children whom I teach. It's a small school. We are surrounded by forests and you can hear the rush of the river below. I also eat vegan and spend too much time on the Internet listening to podcasts. Am I poor? I don't think so. It's a sage's life! Sadhu!

@folkeholmberg3519 Год назад

@earthwisdom I love you ❤️ Greetings from Gotland, Sweden.

@alfonsoinaustralia Год назад

Loved this episode. It feels good not being alone with this analysis and view that most people in our society regard as extreme, radical and dangerous. To those people it doesn’t even come to mind that their view and behavior is exactly that. I am a citizen of Davos, Switzerland. Next week the World Economic Forum 2023 starts. The billboard advertisements of multinational corporations are everywhere. All claim to be super sustainable and are working for a better future. Same sh**, different year. 😂 It’s a big joke and can get unbearable at times. As long as the current zeitgeist and ideology persist, nothing will change. Myself, I am a hopeful pessimist. But, I am doing my part in behaving in a more responsible and mature manner than the blind and naïve majority. I have accepted my role. 😊

@khushwindersinghuniversali8317 Год назад

What's your assessment of world economics forum? What about last three years of pandemic and its affects?

@alfonsoinaustralia Год назад

@@khushwindersinghuniversali8317 “The evil that is in the world almost always comes of ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence if they lack understanding” (Albert Camus). I started my message with Albert Camus’ quote because of the WEF’s good intentions. But good intentions are not enough to improve the state of the world, which is their claim. It’s time to admit that the applied approach does not yield the desired results. But the prerequisite for that would be understanding, respect, and honesty. But let’s not get fooled. The WEF is an economic and political lobbying organization funded by multinational corporations. Their objective may therefore well be to improve the state of the world, but only if it doesn’t hurt their members (too much). Their approach bases on the mainstream ideology (economic growth and belief in technological progress) with a focus on efficiency. We know the results for our ecosystems. Sometimes the WEF may produce a success story, but overall, the state of the world is not improving but worsening. The WEF in Davos is a networking event for the elites from business and politics. First and foremost, it’s a platform for self-promotion. It’s a PR event for many WEF corporate members with the message: “Look at our great organization that is working for a better future.” If you had the chance to walk through Davos these days, you would see and understand. I myself am not putting any hope in the World Economic Forum to solve problems. I believe the organization may be doing more harm than good, because it suggests that the situation is under control. I used to be more optimistic about the potential benefits of this meeting. The same applies for all climate conferences. But that was before I understood how the superorganism works and how blind, ignorant, self-seeking and anthropocentric we have become as people and as a society. We have to admit to ourselves: We have become a cancer on this planet.

@Monkeybongoes Год назад

"It feels good not being alone with this analysis and view that most people in our society regard as extreme, radical and dangerous." So true, I need to hear people like William Reese now and then to avoid total depression and despondence.

@khushwindersinghuniversali8317 Год назад

@@alfonsoinaustralia i have come to similiar conclusions as well.

@markfox9821 Год назад

@@alfonsoinaustralia I would argue that the WEF does not suggest "that the situation is under control". Certainly, their Global Risks Report For 2023 doesn't. Well worth a read. Nate referenced it her in the comments.

@dennis6693 Год назад

Like a cancer becoming self-aware. Brilliant! I doubled in Regional Planning & Dev Theory and Cultural Anthropology back in college in the 80's. Since then, I've watched us (human populations) metastasize. You've confirmed my greatest fears. Your work and your guests have presented the most holistic and comprehensive understanding of our dilemma that I have encountered to date. It helps to find solutions when you can better understand the problem. Thank you.

@EvolutionWendy Год назад

Yeah I remember the 80s, concerns that city lights disrupted animals' sleep patterns. Today I can't see the Milky Way. Concerns that smaller frog and salamander populations were a serious pollution warning. Today land ocean and air are filled with microplastics. Not a single excess that we've taken a step back from. Except CFC. THAT is our singular success. Our systems are controlling us.

@davidfrette2500 Год назад

Funny, the more i understand the problem the more i understand there is not the time to implement any solutions. Which means there are no solutions.

@dennis6693 Год назад

There are many possible solutions, but the most likely outcome will be collapse. Population collapse will be accelerated by war, including bio-war, and then the "Reset" or "New System" will rebalance and regulate population growth and resource consumption. There are many solutions, but they all begin or end with population decline. The question is how rapid, by what means, who, and when this will occur.

@EvolutionWendy Год назад

@@davidfrette2500 I agree. I read the primary Science journal articles (inexpensive subscription to AAAS) and it's shocking how these research articles are summarized to minimize the conclusions. Then mainstream media takes the summaries as the facts.

@EvolutionWendy Год назад

There is an OVERT insistence that if people know how dire the situation is, lethargy and non action will result. Ironic:: I haven't seen a peer-reviewed research article proving lethargy will result from factual information.

@aum82 Год назад

“What we could do is completely separate from what we will do” ~ William E. Rees

@EmeraldView Год назад

Humanity (as a whole) doesn't have it in us to do what we MUST do.

@h.e.hazelhorst9838 Год назад

This is also known as ‘cognitive dissonance’, but then on a grand, global scale.

@terenceiutzi4003 Год назад

@EmeraldView no humanity as a whole has fallen for the alarmists propaganda that is giving Russian and Chinese energy and manufacturing a world wide Monopoly! And that is the first step in Hitlers New World Order that is the end of all democracy!

@guinevere4365 Год назад

After reading comments decided not to watch the program in a selfish act of self-preservation

@gking407 10 месяцев назад

If anyone can change it course it will have to be the young children. Their reality will be much different from ours, so the decision whether to adapt or perish probably won’t be as difficult

@catherinebanks6420 Год назад

Thank you Prof Rees for explaining how society cannot change quickly enough for what is coming. "Social learning" is a 50 year endeavor minimum (more like 70 years)-- but we only have about a decade to prevent catastrophe. I am pessimistic too. Nate, I really appreciate your efforts raising awareness. Another great interview!

@EvolutionWendy Год назад

Interesting that Nate asks 2X what Bill would tell a young person about this, my observation is that the young people already know Overshoot.

@willchristie2650 Год назад

A sobering thought is that there are now Americans who think the Earth is flat. The GOP has been ramping up hatred and distrust in Science since Donald Trump appeared on the scene.

@treefrog3349 Год назад

I totally concur. Ate the age of 74 I cringe at much of what is going on in the world. I feel like a parent wanting to warn his child "don't touch that hot stove." It is frustrating and heart-breaking and unavoidable. Accumulated wisdom succumbs to bright light and loud noises.

@EmeraldView Год назад

We don't have a decade unfortunately. Worse is that we aren't even slowing down, but rather speeding up. What's wrong with us!!!

@guycloutier4182 11 месяцев назад

Yup! More like 70 years. An analogy would be that of the bank clerk/cashier. Once the computer has been in service for more than one (1) generation of workers, the ability to do without has been 'unlearned', lost, vanished into oblivion, with very few old timers to communicate the tricks of the trade (in the case of bank clerks), and mindset (in the case that interests us).

@michaelshiloh787 Год назад

This is exactly what I needed to see. I wish everyone in the world would say the same.

@mkkrupp2462 Год назад

I greatly admire and respect William Rees. He is a true intellectual, with wide ranging knowledge and wonderful insight into the human condition. Thanks for having him on Nate !

@nirvonna Год назад

Wow! Not new stuff to me actually since reading William Catton’s book Overshoot. That said, Professor Rees is the most brilliant and insightful person I’ve ever heard. 100% spot-on and so refreshing to hear the honest truth stated so clearly. This is the first podcast I’ve listened to from The Great Simplification. I listened to the audio format before learning it was on RU-vid as well. Well done!

@EvolutionWendy Год назад

I really liked the end, where bill says what he loves best of course wife and family, but also Bill has been in natural places where he literally wept, and mentioned stepping on a sleeping polar bear!!

@eric109martel Год назад

The key words of this amazing conservation are: understanding instead of believing… This comment coming from Québec, Canada and a 52 years old doing a master degree in geography specializing in Resilience, Risk and disaster… M. Rees having a very important impact on this ongoing master degree project. Thank you very much Nate and Bill, for contributing to the necessity of social learning, and by doing so in a simple, but very clear and distinctive manner. On a final note, I am sorry for all the possible syntax and grammar errors; I mostly speak and write in French, and I hope I have not offended anyone. Congratulations Nate, keep it up, we very much need that you pursue this adventure.

@PT-cu2fg Год назад

You expressed yourself quite perfectly Eric. The fact that world leaders, and the citizenry of the world, didn’t beat a path to Bill Rees’ door in the 70’s or 80’s (after the first Earth Day or James Hansen’s climate warning to the US Congress) was early proof of our absolute inability to overcome our genetic predisposition to consume all available resources. We are hardwired to do what we are doing-it’s not our fault, it’s our destiny because we’re no different from any other species that ever existed. Our thinking cerebral cortex can in no way overrule the deeper, more primitive emotional, pleasure seeking and competitive parts of our brain. Bill has spoken to this, the triune brain theory, noting that it isn’t perfectly clear cut among all scholars, in other presentations.

@christinearmington Год назад

Pas de tout Eric. Mercí 😊

@cedarmountain1525 Год назад

I've listened to this three times now. And will probably go for a fourth. It's just so rich and so nuanced and well-integrated within itself. Basically a farmer with both feet on the ground telling us in his far-reaching vision and views what we have missed right under our noses. And I have no idea how he keeps all his facts and figures straight right off the top of this head. Brilliant. Truly. Thank you, most appreciatively. I could go for another separate interview on anything he wanted to talk about.

@alandoane9168 Год назад

Kudos to Prof. Rees for being honest when confronted with the host's siloed optimism about the potential of humanity to get itself out of the inextricable problem it has created for itself. No amount of systems analysis or well-intentioned cheerleading for change is going to overcome human nature in 8,000,000,000 humans, fewer than 1% of which will ever even begin to comprehend the true scope of the predicament of overshoot, and even then only a fraction would be willing to make the epic, incomprehensible changes necessary to make human life compatible with the planet. I know it's not what you want to hear, Nate, but he's inarguably correct. I wish that you would integrate this fact into your work going forward.

@oliviachipperfield6029 Год назад

Very much agree.

@simuliid 10 месяцев назад

Well said my friend. I agree. Now what?

@gking407 10 месяцев назад

I like to think most humans are adaptable but we all know lots of us will resist truth all the way to the grave, just as we saw during the peak of the covid pandemic

@stevemacgruther4051 9 месяцев назад

Absolutely

@denisdaly1708 Год назад

One of a handful of people who truly understand where we are re sustainability. Thanks for inviting him to talk.

@madeleinepengelley2854 Год назад

This is the first time I have experienced a shared understanding of our predicament. False hope is not hope. It is denial. If there is any hope (and I do not see it from where I sit) it will emerge in the future. And I believe that Nate is right: that we can build resilience and be examples of living more simply. And as a side benefit, living more simply is more fulfilling and is higher quality experience than living in the empty narrative of consumerism. Many thanks.

@JaseboMonkeyRex Год назад

This is an amazing conversation, really honest and sincere and i hope many millions will watch this

@Changeworld408 Год назад

Probably few will listen the entire episode. Too depressing😢

@guycloutier4182 11 месяцев назад

"... many millions" - Don't want to burst your bubble, but 8 months later we're up to 61 thousands. Keep the faith. Chin up'n all that! 😇

@frustratedatheist9885 Год назад

Great conservation, William Rees is an excellent communicator of our predicament. I would say in the U.S. we did have a political leader try to have us conserve energy and consume less, that would be Jimmy Carter. The public does not want to be told that they need less and to change their priorities. I was 5 when he was voted out of office, for Reagan.

@gking407 10 месяцев назад

That era did more damage to the planet than possibly any other, not that anyone then knew wtf they were doing.

@kayakerpaddler2023 7 месяцев назад

I also thought of Carter who was one of our best. I see that as a very pivotal point in our history…a very bad one.

@christinearmington Месяц назад

Republicans paid the Iranians to keep the hostages until Reagan was inaugurated.

@LLLAAABBB Год назад

I often think what the hell is wrong with me, so its enlightening to share same opinions with such a capacity as Prof. Rees is. Thank you Nate for your work!

@TennesseeJed Год назад

I put this comment out knowing full well that I will get my ass kicked in the response comments, but I honestly believe this is one of the most important conversations on the entire internet!

@AlanDavidDoane 6 месяцев назад

Hey Jed! I listened to this when it was new and came back six months later for a refresher. It is definitely one of the most important conversations in the history of the human race. I wish more people would listen to it.

@TennesseeJed 6 месяцев назад

@@AlanDavidDoane yeppers, we reckon ourselves smart, but we can't deny Moloch and the race to the bottom.

@TennesseeJed 6 месяцев назад

@@AlanDavidDoane You've inspired me to watch it again too! Thanks!

@Corrie-fd9ww 6 месяцев назад

No ass kicking, just agreement! I popped in to see that this video has 80k views! That’s more than I expected! I disagree with collapsologists when they say that no humans ever lived in alignment with earth, or not for very long. But otherwise, I’ve never heard/seen anyone (except for indigenous elders and teachers) get things so *right* about our predicament. Deep ecology folks, wherever they come from, are the real “prophets” and so therefore, the least listened-to and acknowledged as correct and prescient.

@Aubury 5 месяцев назад

No arse kicking from me. A hugely important video in my view. Profoundly sobering.

@edgeman148 Год назад

Nate I have watched many of your presentations-podcasts over many years and I want to make an offer. Since 2014 I have purposefully gone from jointly owning I home in LA with my separated Wife, renting a three bedroomed home in New Zealand and a two bedroomed apartment in El Segundo, CA (all at the same time) to helping to convert a 10ft x 12ft garden shed into a small tiny-home where I live in a garden where I grow a lot of my own food and where I practice efficient humanure. I do not drive any more and have not flown since 2014. It would give me great pleasure to share this detailed journey with your audience and I can say that I am happier now than I have been for many years and of course, thank you for all that you are doing.

@EvolutionWendy Год назад

Good for you. That's quite a journey. Small is beautiful.

@christinearmington Год назад

Mike, thanks for the “how” response that William finds missing from the papers he reads. Actual personal changes to move into “great simplification.”

@EmeraldView Год назад

That's all I want. A tiny place to live that meets my limited needs. A computer and internet helps a lot! If only everyone could live so simply.

@elang3366 26 дней назад

Humanize! Excellent! Let's take responsibility for our bodie's left overs. Here in Florida, compost toilets are legal. But of course we should provide oversight and see that the natural process is proceeding normally.

@lisawilliamson5012 11 месяцев назад

I'm so glad I found you guys. I live in France and have been listening to the French scientists. I discovered Nate Hagen recently when you interviewed Jancovici, the French guru. Now I can broaden my learnings to the Anglo-Saxon/American world, and find out what the hell is going on there. We're all in this together, and we can all learn from each other. Thank you for taking time to produce these podcasts. They are precious. 🙏

@EmeraldView Год назад

The end is near. I can feel it. I can see it. I'm living it.

@lonewanderer9982 Год назад

Not alone.

@aum82 Год назад

Definitely not alone

@guycloutier4182 11 месяцев назад

"The end is in near." - Remember the Life magazine of the 6o'ies / 70'ies? There always was this B&W picture in the last pages with an inspiring caption. Around '72 (the year of the Report to the Club of Rome), the picture was that of a lady bending and showing her (white) underware in doing so. The caption being: "The end is in sight!" (Yes, I'm an oldtimer.) Well it literally is.

@tomlowe2407 Год назад

I had much the same problem in my academic career. I finally created a course in environmental economics. This bridged the gap a bit. I keep trying to direct people to the work of H. T. Odum. Nate, keep up the good work. As an old ecologist said don’t let the bastards wear you down.

@lumpoflabor Год назад

I greatly admire Bill Rees and agree with him on just about everything. The one disagreement I have is that he attributes the behavior to "human nature." There was, however, a chronic aversion among peasants to superfluous wealth. Development economists in the 1960 complained about what they called the "image of limited good" and sought strategies to combat it so that economic growth could proceed unopposed. We need to ask what happened a little over 200 years ago to create the human SECOND nature that economists, along with Bill Rees, insist is "human nature"? What happened, over the course of several centuries, was the generalization of an economy of commodity exchange. Traditionally, most production has always been for the direct purpose of consumption, either by the producers themselves or by landlords who confiscated surplus output on the basis of their ownership of the land. Peasants learned that it was dangerous to produce TOO MUCH of a surplus in a good year because then landlords would expect a larger surplus every year. It was only in the 18th and 19th centuries that the production of commodities for the market came to predominate, especially in Great Britain. And it was in the same centuries that political economy rose to prominence in its attempts to explain this newly predominate market economy.

@centuriesofblood Год назад

I dearly hope William will continue to make these videos since he is the foremost voice of reason analyzing our current ecological situation.

@aum82 Год назад

“Homo sapiens are currently approaching the peak of the plague phase of a one-off global population cycle and will crash because of depleted resources, habitat deterioration and psycho-social feedback, including possible war over remaining ‘assets,’ sometime in this century.” ~ William E. Rees

@dennis6693 Год назад

He also added, "What do you think we are doing now in Ukraine?" We are already in a war for the remaining assets, and we are in a war to control/reduce the consumers. We have been engaged in this war for the past two decades (Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, China, ...), only now, it is accelerating. It is also taking on new forms. "War on everything" is the new norm. 8B people will become 4B or 2B or 1B. It is happening now, and you are around to see it. But can you face it?

@treefrog3349 Год назад

That just about sums it up, no?

@CelestialWoodway Год назад

Probably for the best. Life sucks for most people then they get old and die anyway. It's all pointless it seems.

@lonewanderer9982 Год назад

@CelestialWoodway I want to go but the others want you to suffer at least that's how it is in the states. In Canada they offer death if you can't feed yourself.

@Grizabeebles Год назад

@@lonewanderer9982 -- You really should read read the law itself rather than just repeat Facebook rumours. The law in Canada (MAID) requires a permanent, progressive and debilitating illness. Mental illness alone does not qualify.

@oliviachipperfield6029 Год назад

I LOVE William Rees!!! I'm so excited that You got him on your show! I've always thought that humans are just too darn smart for their own good, but not smart enough to see it until it's too late😔

@johnbanach3875 Год назад

"So skillful in their ignorance," as one sage put it.

@ariggle77 Год назад

Humans are clever but not wise.

@EnvironmentalCoffeehouse Год назад

Me too Olivia.

@djclass005 Год назад

He is the best at explaining what we face, and the way he constructs his vision, you cannot counter it, all the bases are covered! Like you said Nate, braiding with him bums you out, but is also very interesting.

@ariggle77 Год назад

He's the absolute best.

@suzychristensen8977 Год назад

This guy knows his stuff…. Especially about the key holes scientists and religions put us in. Thank you for speaking up

@johnthom3342 Год назад

The fundamental problem is that no one, including William Rees, can ever do anything about the fundamental problem except talk endlessly about it. Humanity like every other animal is good at living in the moment and responding spontaneously to whatever challenges he'/she is presented with as a member of a small tribal group living in nature. And that is what it will come down to in a few single-digit years.

@pts619 Год назад

Two of the people I have the utmost respect for on this planet. Thank you, I just wish everyone would listen and open their minds, but I'm not confident they ever will.

@unclesamshrugged2621 Год назад

Wow, such clarity, and such a sobering collision with reality. "Knowledge does not alter behavior." Thanks Nate

@danavisalli3467 Год назад

Great conversation, thanks so much. I'm only an hour into it so far, hard to imagine what you will cover in the next hour. Rees was our keynote speaker at the energy conference that we held in small-town Twisp WA in 2001; he pretty much said the same things then! At our men's group this morning one of the guys talked about how much he just loves his motorhome and how they might skip CA because of the flooding and go straight to AZ. This after being in that group with me for 20 years. You are catching all this in this conversation: humans are short-term sighted, ecology blind, 19:40: 'There's nothing unusal about a population boom/bust cycle.' The universe might be compassionate but nature is merciless.

@jrobbfraser Год назад

I had a similar experience. After listening to this, I had dinner with several friends from our local transition initiative. Two spent the evening talking about all their travels and the discomforts of long airplane rides. It was nice to see them “in person” for the first time since 2020 but so clearly ignoring what we’ve grappled with as a group for years.

@reuireuiop0 Год назад

Yeah, ever so often that happens, even with skilled environmental journalists I heard talking, ending the conservation with stating how how much they looked forward to their spring "break" 2 weeks plus someplace in Southern Europe, flying of course. Even worse - a media researcher in Sweden described how a public TV team came over to film the Scandinavian leg of traveling Europe by train. Because of some luxury commitments elsewhere, meetings, but also having to bring kids to school, the team didn't stay in Sweden, but flew in and out, not once but several trips. While they were there, the woman had to work as a fixer, providing packed food and bottled water every day, several meals. All left overs plus packaging were thrown away. And this coming from the most environmentally aware program makers in the country, plus, they were going to film in 5 or 6 other countries as, promoting train travel as a means for Climate aware means to get around. My jaw must've dropped to the other side of the globe reading all that. NB I am in Europe, but that don't make those ways any better

@jesse8025 Год назад

Thank you Nate. Your podcast is my favourite thing on RU-vid at the moment. All your conversations are interesting and insightful. Look forward to each new episode.

@paulcoonan5464 Год назад

Thank you Nate, you are a legend and we are all very thankful that you are introducing us to other legends that can change our minds. Please keep doing what you are doing. We really appreciate you more than you can imagine.

@mkkrupp2462 Год назад

I think it was Oxfam which put out a chart a few years ago showing the 100 biggest economies in the world. More than 60% were corporations rather than countries. That reality explains so much.

@MarneeMadsen Год назад

Good Lord the patience of this man to help you accept reality

@rolfvanharen Год назад

My my my, the syntheses created in this podcast or Natecast is another level. So much handles to come to work with and preparing the big boom of ecological boundries. Lost in words to thank you Nate for this information for simple souls as mine to be understood. Mister Rees, thank you so much.

@nirvonna Год назад

William Rees. William Rees William Rees. I will remember that name. William Rees is the most insightful, articulate and clearly-spoken person I’ve ever heard express the reality of the ways our species has, and continues, to alter life on earth in ways that are unsustainable. The result, the inevitable unfolding of our habits, are not stoppable and the writing is on the wall. Just now, after encountering William Rees on that podcast, I just did a RU-vid search on him and there’s a wealth therein.

@Andre-hm5vo Год назад

William Rees and Peter Joseph that's the dream duo interaction for me.

@peterclark2374 Год назад

Thanks Dr Hagens / Nate and Dr Rees. I appreciate Dr Rees candor in sharing his science and conclusions. Great job Nate in hosting! I appreciate your grace, persistence in probing and that you could keep rolling for 2 h. I think I felt some pain thru your calm visage.

@kayakerpaddler2023 7 месяцев назад

After a 30+ year career in a state agency fighting for ecological preservation, I’ve been very angry and despairing for years. This presentation has given me the first real peace I’ve felt in a long time. Thank you. I love the way Professor Rees’ whole body lights up when he talks about his experiences in nature. That’s how I plan to spend my remaining time.

@zpettigrew Год назад

Thanks! I'm a Complex Systems Scientist and Biomedical Scientist. I'm deep in the literature - but never heard of Rees before. Will look into his work now. Work seems important.

@EvolutionWendy Год назад

Geez.

@prahslra Год назад

@zpettigrew Read the 1980 seminal text by William Catton: ‘Overshoot: The Ecological Basis of Revolutionary Change’

@guycloutier4182 11 месяцев назад

... Remember quantum mechanics works from probabilities. And electrons can tunnel in & out of states. What are the conditions of tunneling. Also remember Shrodinger's wave equation means the quantum leap of an electron does not happen abruptly; it's a gradual change in the "duty cycle" between levels... It always bewildered me how teenagers grow and change their habits in the very same manner: shifting back and forth before stabilizing into a young adult state. So I keep your fingers crossed 🤞.

@wildriver42 Год назад

Another tremendous guest! Thanks, Nate and team!

@mayamichelle6741 Год назад

I'm listening Prof. Rees. Thanks for your knowledge, clarity, sober assessment.

@EvolutionWendy Год назад

And LOL the next episode we get Bill's drunken assessment

@justcollapse5343 Год назад

@@EvolutionWendy 😂💀🥂

@tomschuelke7955 Год назад

Living in Germany. listening to William E. rees was one of the most fundamental and enlightening Lectures i ever had... i allready heared many of his Talks. but it is allways the same. He´s just Brilliant.. The only he got Wrong... He´s not german, so i had to learn better english, to understand him.. and i did. Wished more people would understand this.

@user-kp5xy8xy4m Год назад

Thank you for being real and speaking reality as it is Mr. Rees. Thank you Nate for giving these experts a platform in addition to bringing your own knowledge, expertise, and thoughts to the table.

@alaskainstituteforclimatea141 Год назад

Fellow ecologist/evolutionary biologist here. “We” and “human nature” need to be qualified. Global capitalism siphons Earth’s bio capacity to the top 15% of the population in “developed” economies. “We” lived in balance with the biosphere for 99.9% of our evolutionary history. The case can be made that outside of modernity, we are hardwired for biophilia (aka EO Wilson). Indigenous and many rural land based communities still live in relative balance. The burgeoning rewilding and ecological restoration movements reflect these deeper Ecological values. Framing climate change as a pollution subset of the larger ecological crisis and cities are fundamentally human “feedlots”, is right on. Excellent discussion!

@thegreatsimplification Год назад

All true. The economic super organism (power law 80/20 to 20% of population in global north) is the system that “outcompeted” more sustainable systems. This will reverse when energy surplus reverses. (I think)

@Azamat421 Год назад

That won't happen fusion energy lie

@treefrog3349 Год назад

Another, in an august list of guests. Thanks, Nate. Your podcasts are proving to be a "natural resource" that we SHOULD consume.

@EvolutionWendy Год назад

♻️ 😂 "thinking Pac-Man"

@briandowney9913 Год назад

Thank you, William and Nate, for educating and inspiring me yet again!!

@sarahammer5492 Год назад

William Rees is a very clear communicator. Thanks for speaking with him. I agree that formal education has not encouraged people to think critically about the poly-crisis. However, I do think it is a mistake to think that the only learning that happens is what goes on in formal education systems. Having worked in a university myself for many years, I have seen first hand the death of the university as a place of deep thinking. However, as a member of a rapidly expanding Permaculture community, I have also seen peoples' awareness shift, sometimes later in life, towards an understanding of how what we do impacts life systems. Does this mean we will be able to change in time to avert the poly-crisis? - probably not. But there are communities out there that are developing different ways of living in parallel with the the BAU of the superorganism. Perhaps you could speak to someone from the Transition Town movement, which has been going for a couple of decades now and evolved out of a concern about "peak oil" and the climate crisis. Totnes, UK is the epicentre of this. Movements such as this will be critical when the Great Simplification happens.

@sultanbev Год назад

Great conversation, William Rees really nails it.

@wvhaugen Год назад

Bill Rees is one of my guys. But even he cannot grasp that die-off is in our future AND that we must develop ways to deal with it on an individual basis.

@johnmitchell2741 Год назад

Agree

@vintage_violet Год назад

THIS Is the most important conversation/s we need to be having. Unfortunately...

@EvolutionWendy Год назад

Yeah it's ironic isn't it. He swiftly turned the corner and started talkin about a lifestyle of camping out with friends, in our future. From a young age I saw that the humans around me are living in a social construct rather than reality.

@EmeraldView Год назад

Everyone wants to hope. It's in our nature. Reality will ultimately prevail.

@jghifiversveiws8729 Год назад

It is rather unfortunate that is likely the only way this will conclude.

@mamajojoful Год назад

This is one of the best interviews you have done Nate. I am sharing this with my local Extinction Rebellion group here in Melbourne Aus. I have been depressed but despite the horror of reality of the complex system we are all caught in, the important thing is to stay grounded in the reality and that will dictate the action to be taken. Disruption may be key. Prof Bill Rees I love you!

@kushalpanchal4951 7 месяцев назад

20 year old from India over here, trying to make my as many friends aware as possible. Also , joined a permaculture movement here in Madhya Pradesh.

@jrobbfraser Год назад

This is a keeper. So many excellent and easy to grasp explanations of what we’re experiencing as a species, I am encouraging others to give a listen.. Cities as feedlots. The paradox of caring yet consuming. More discussions with Dr. Rees please! Do humans need hope or is that also a modern myth? What are human rights? Are they a misguided attempt at equal access to over shoot or a positive component of globalization?

@sherrydionisio4306 Год назад

Thank you Professor Rees and Nate. From your lips to the ears of the masses. I am a skeptic and pessimistic; however, I’ve found some degree of insight through history, my personal introspection and simplification. Good luck to us all.

@j85grim4 Год назад

Thanks for this. We finally got the pleasure of getting to witness you pick the brain of the greatest mind of all time on this subject the great William Rees. Bill Rees for president 2024

@brianwheeldon4643 Год назад

I couldn't agree more with what Bill is saying. Throughout the whole podcast Bill has hammered home the reality of the planetary situation. I've seen it and lived it from the Arctic to New Zealand. I've helped finance it in my professional life, I've taught it, and I have the view that almost everyone living is in for a hell of a ride, and not in a good way. The alarm bells are ringing with 10's of thousands on the streets even in the global north. We need to stay there and realise our predicament. We're in peril. Thanks Nate for speaking with Bill.

@EnvironmentalCoffeehouse Год назад

My gaia, I love William Rees.

@FREEAGAIN432 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for this potent conversation Nate and Bill. I love Bill's honestly and passionate insistence for the serious issues we face. I hope millions watch this video and feel the truth, and make practical changes for the future generations.

@LisavonPoelking 3 месяца назад

I follow you regularly and so appreciate the valuble information you provide here. Amazing!!

@robertdelmar8958 11 месяцев назад

When I was 19 I had a summer job with the Bureau of Land Management doing Range land Condition and Trend studies related to the grazing capacity for livestock. It occurred to me even then ( 1962) that how the earth was like the range lands I was studying with a finite set of resources that could be depleted. I have followed William Rees' studies with ever increasing interest and alarm. .

@nickkacures2304 Год назад

I wouldn’t want dinner to end if we were talking about tipping points and symptoms of climate change William is explaining the complexity of climate crisis in a way that’s very important.

@louiskleber8267 Год назад

Essential Conversation for someone (who ain’t already deep in the topic) to see and understand so much of the problem space. Thank you very much.

@bobmathieson987 Год назад

As a Permaculture practitioner, I wholeheartedly agree with William Rees on all his conclusions. There is so much blind leading of the blind happening in these modern times. These concepts were and are being taught by too few Permaculture teachers who take a holistic approach to the management of lifestyles, resources, consumption, cultural differences, excess and deficit, resilience strategy, and species continuum, to name a few. Overshoot is an understatement for sure and can we survive this predicament? Only a positive, courageous intervention will tell hopefully in time.

@barrycarter8276 Год назад

Thank you Nate for a great discussion with (Bill) W.E.Rees, it reinforces what I’ve believed for some years, but talk to most people as yourself and Bill mentioned and they just don’t want to believe it as it’s to painful to acknowledge. I’ve talked with the parents of my grandchildren who also find it hard to believe only to be told not say anything to the grandchildren (youngest 11yoa) of my ecological overshoot beliefs and yet they’ll be the ones most likely to see the effects of our eras decadence. Which leaves me wondering how does one get the word out without frightening people to the point they don’t want to believe it?🤔

@KateFrancis-eo2rp 2 месяца назад

I don't think you can. I think there is something different about those of us who believe it. Like Greata Thunberg, she is Autistic, I am too. I believe it. I will not be procreating. Lol, and yet my fellow country people will think I should because I am 'British' and because high functioning autism 'doesn't exist'. Best to try to talk to your grandchild about this when they are an adult and away from their parents.

@donmacalpine3526 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for this in-depth discussion... as a forest scientist who entered a School of Forestry in 1971 and as a 'conscientious citizen' who was, likewise, raised on a small family farm in Southern Ontario, I am struck by the similar philosophies developed over Rees' and my lifetimes... what is missed, I believe, and based on my own experience, is the deliberate abuse of our democratic systems, more importantly our 'judicial ones' which are to protect open discussions and 'the truth'. As a forest scientist who was fired from an Ontario government job in 1982 because I refused to protect the continuing lying, I chose a different path... Criticism is a forbidden institution inside our current 'non-democracies'. I am glad to see this discussion BUT I also feel that we need to start to deal with systems which oppress open discussion in favour of 'the immediate'... As Rees says about 50 minutes in, 'social education' is NOT going to save us here... As he also said, we knew these things five decades ago... Troubling is that this knowledge has been DELIBERATELY suppressed by 'systems of governance' that are, as Rees also notes, focused on short term, self-prospering 'benefits' that are nowhere near the realities we have created... I can only hope that discussion shifts, and very rapidly, into ensuring that our institutions of 'governance' become effective protectorates of OPEN THOUGHT and challenge so that we see real leadership achieved, not this repetitive submission to four year dictatorships which protect the interests of the rich over the responsibilities of our societies in their whole... wanna talk about this??? Don MacAlpine, Regina, Saskatchewan CANADA

@derekalderman6221 Год назад

Excellent discussion, we are listening

@Monkeybongoes Год назад

I have long viewed life in terms of what and how humans do vs what/how all other life does. For example, no other creature needs clothes, cooks its food, uses external energy sources to get around, cannot drink water in its natural state, etc. When you look at life through such a lense, it becomes clear how unsustainable we are. It would interesting to ask Bill Reese what humanity does on a sustainable basis. Like to see that be a question for all of Nate's guests. I can't think of anything other than breathing.

@jessieadore Год назад

Sending love to everyone tapped in 💕

@cal48koho Год назад

It was good yo see one of my heroes in the flesh. He is a real pleasure to read and listen to. One question: Why was William Catton who wrote the milestone book "Overshoot" not even mentioned? His book laid out almost everything discussed here.

@eneldia85 7 месяцев назад

El Prof. Rees es un grande. Gracias por hablar con claridad y fundamento. Mi admiración y respeto!

@jaemather3520 Год назад

I find it fascinating that as a 50yr old when I was born the world population was 4 billion and now it's 8. Doubling the population of the planet in 50yrs is entirely, excessively, and insanely abnormal. This is classic norming psychology.

@ChalenaRose Год назад

Whats even crazier is people want the population to keep growing and indefinitely and think that people aren't having enough kids. Need to hit 20 billion before century end. It's insanity.

@deborahdean8867 Год назад

In your opinion, are there too many bugs on earth? Why worry about how many people there are on the planet? I mean the US has imported 30 million people since Obama. THATS the population you need to worry about. The reason for the population explosion is agriculture, medicine and chemicals. Just stop medicine and half the population will die off in a month.

@GlobeHackers Год назад

Nate connects with people we need to know.

@neilmorgan7737 Год назад

How do people deal with this knowledge and the realisation that we have exceeded the carrying capacity of this planet and we are destined to crash at some point in the future/near future? I have changed many of my individual actions and tried to reduce my individual carbon footprint. I continue to learn from individuals such as Nate and his guests like William constantly gaining more knowledge and understanding of the way we humans have evolved, expanded and exploited the natural resources to this point where we are reaching the point of collapse. I battle each day to continue to work knowing that at some point, perhaps in my own lifetime our system is going to collapse. How do people stay motivated with this realisation?

@codyawz Год назад

Central question. Carrying on in a system soon to collapse.

@anthonycooper3191 Год назад

Excellent video! Telling the truth of the complete mess we are all in, and how it came to be so. Also pointing out that it is not possible to change our toxic way of living on this planet for all the reasons stated so clearly and truthfully in the video. No endless blah, blah blah, nonsense from politicians, just the facts of the matter, plain and simple.

@donpainter5427 Год назад

I had been anxiously waiting for this discussion between Nate and Wm Rees and for the most part it did not disappoint. I am a bit surprised that the "Citizens' Warning" and "The REAL Green New Deal" never came up in this 2 hour talk. Nate, I urge you to make yourself aware of these papers if you are not aware of them and for all the listeners as well. Thank you Nate, for what you do!

@KateFrancis-eo2rp 2 месяца назад

Bill seems MUCH younger than 80! Fantastic condition for an 80 year old. Bill dosen't show any signs of congnitive decline. Very inspiring!

@KaizenTrainingLtd Год назад

Brilliant conversation - thanks Bill and Nate xx

@libertysprings2244 Год назад

Ha ha! I love at 1:18:00ish when Nate said William bummed him out. Once my own parents said "its depressing to talk to you" when I bring up heavy topics about future scenarios such as collapse of the electric grid and having a plan with food storage etc. Most people prefer not to talk about it.

@johnmitchell2741 Год назад

Humanity will go out in a big ball of fire🏴‍☠🏴‍☠thanks for the talk guys

@Andre-hm5vo Год назад

Humanity deserves it.

@stephen_pfrimmer Год назад

I read in an interview of Garrett Hardin that Hardin considered economics a subcategory of ecology. Thanks for this Nate. Oh, and suburbs displace prime farmland. Land trusts are a good option. Legumes and rhizobial bacteria, cover cropping, rotations.

@timtam2126 Год назад

Wow fantastic guest 👏 👌 👍 thanks a bundle

@justcollapse5343 Год назад

Yes. Overshoot. Thanks Nate for another great discussion. Notable we thought was your substitution of the word "collapse" in Greer's famous quote which you altered to become "Simplify' and avoid the rush". Presumably, your film can also then be retitled "The Great Collapse"? Whilst I recognise that some may be concerned that by merely using the word we are somehow more likely to invoke it's happenstance, we at JustCollapse find the use of the word "simplification" highly problematic as it intentionally downplays the severity of our predicament, thus delaying useful response. Furthermore, whilst I am certain it is unintended on your part, the effects of "simplification" and collapse are borne first and foremost by the poor, black, and brown peoples of the Global South and the euphamism you employ is an injustice to their plight. I hope you will accept this criticism as well intentioned and take it on board. We appreciate your continued work in this space.

@thegreatsimplification Год назад

I am not certain of collapse. I am very certain of a simplification. They are related but different concepts. Agree re global south. I’m just trying to describe the system as I see it and learn. If I ever come to think collapse is certain. I’ll no longer be doing a podcast

@justcollapse5343 Год назад

@@thegreatsimplification Thanks Nate. Recognising Bill's ecological footprint analysis, it can be acknowledged that returning from overshoot to ecological limits requires a 'simplification' of approx 75-80% of throughput by either disaster, or design. Acknowledged in this conversation, and indeed available evidence suggests, that a return to limits by design is politically impossible, yet return we must. By contrast, returning to limits by disaster is in no way euphemistic - this is collapse.

@sarahpurol7710 6 месяцев назад

57:06 Rees is correct in everything he is saying. I'm in an MEng program at UAB for sustainable smart cities. We study this and design ways to address these issues. I'm turning 67 in June. I've been teaching college Sociology since 2020 and for 31 years before that, I was a Civil Engineer for the US government. I'm doing this, at my age, because I see the need for young people to become educated to everything Rees is talking about. Everyone can do something.

@erikolsen6269 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for these videos. RU-vid needs more content like this

@pascalxus Год назад

this is such an important topic with regards to the nature of human ecology. i hope more people start talking about this.

@cmonc1984 Год назад

Thank you for this all encompassing explanation of our predicament. The brilliant Mr. Rees is spot on about everything. Yet the basic concepts are so simple it's unfortunate it takes so long before they are widely accepted.

@JaseboMonkeyRex Год назад

Half of all fossils fuels ever used have been consumed since 1990.... Let that sink in...i watched Albert Bartlett's lecture many years ago and it shook me to my core

@anthonytroia1 Год назад

Yikes!

@raskolnikov1873 Год назад

I'm a teacher in Canada. Most of the teenagers I teach idolize the Kardashians. They are in thrall to the rich and powerful and the endless pursuit of material wealth and consumption. And this is supposedly the most environmentally aware generation. There is no good ending here, I'm afraid.

@lonewanderer9982 Год назад

It's madness mean while the looting of every resource there is no future and they know it. This is a crime the greatest crime ever perpetuated.

@EmeraldView Год назад

I've come to know several teenagers via my nephew. And sadly they are as shallow and materialistic oriented as their parents and generations before. We can't save humanity with only 1 in 100 being Greta Thunberg's.

@CultureNYC 8 месяцев назад

Thank you for a compelling discussion on overshoot. Please consider integrating knowledge around power, ideology, and social class. This will help explain why the needle has not been moving as much as you would like it to move.

@stekoo664 Год назад

Prof Rees is the best.

@shalacoOne Год назад

Amazing and logical interview!

@louisehoff9467 9 месяцев назад

Thank you for this excellent interview.

@jeeed6390 Год назад

Wow, I need to watch this again. And again.

@treefrog3349 Год назад

As it has been often said, "a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing". Humanity's seeming "brilliance", relative to the rest of the biosphere, has beguiled it down dangerous paths. The ancient myth of Odysseus defying the gods and subsequently paying for it dearly, is a ominously prescient metaphor for our present predicament.

@vintage_violet Год назад

Not to mention the story of Adam and Eve, choosing to partake from the tree of knowledge (of good and evil) in Eden and being cast out. When we dare to become like god/s, play god, it seems we are no longer aligned with "Eden."

@SLefd Год назад

@@vintage_violet That's how I see that story too. And I often think of the evolving of verbal language (with advanced body language also of course involved) as THE knowledge processing and collecting tool. The variations of sounds that become words that became complex ideas...Abstract, theoretical thinking is the only thing that can lead to the notion of good and evil isn't it. The fantasy that is the separation of them, and thoughts about the relationship between them. Cannot be found in the "natural" nature - only in verbally thinking minds I think

@eneldia85 Год назад

Admiro la honestidad y sapiencia del Mr. Rees. Señala el horizonte con mucha claridad.

@paulwhetstone0473 Год назад

Thank you very much Nate and Bill for one of the best, if not THE best dialogues I’ve ever heard. Voluntary population control is essential and will be preferable to a forced Malthusian bottle neck. Either way, sooner or later, we’re probably doomed. Lol

@Azamat421 Год назад

No forced

@EmeraldView Год назад

Won't happen

@paulwhetstone0473 Год назад

@@EmeraldView What? Voluntary population control, doom or both won’t happen.

@EmeraldView Год назад

@@paulwhetstone0473 Voluntary population control. Humans have very little self-control and are quite selfish self-interested. So yeah... we're doomed. It sucks, but I'm not really surprised.

@j85grim4 Год назад

Will happen not by choice though: mother nature will impose it's own solution to our overshoot predicament.