Karl, Ian and Mike discuss Desert Brutality 2020, Day 1 (Stages 1-3) in Classic Manual division, running an 1873 Winchester & a 1911. InRange is entirely viewer supported: / inrangetv
DEAR INTERNET (NOT PRESENT AT THE EVENT) RANGE OFFICERS: 2.4.2.2 If at any time during the course of fire, a participant allows the muzzle of his loaded firearm to point rearwards (i.e. further than 90 degrees from the median intercept of the backstop, or in the case of no backstop, allows the muzzle to point up-range). This does not apply to RO verified unloaded rifles and unloaded pistols.
Sebastian Zinkl I don’t understand the question. Modern firearms will drop mag and clear. Manual firearms will Fire the cartridge and leave the action closed.
Oh I see. I was like "he did not clear that rifle before he slung it and now its pointing at the RO." I thought you were going to get DQ right off the bat. Thanks for the info.
Man I wish we could have these kind of matches here in Aus, this looks so goddam fun. I'm also liking the format change to this vid being one shooter-division focused for the whole day. Looking forward to more vids from this series! Never stop with the DB fun!
No reason why something broadly similar couldn't be run here.... of course everyone would be in "Classic manual" Division I suppose... I shoot IPSC on a range only 35 metres long NOT approved for rifle calibres (the 73 would be fine of course! ) but given access to one of the clubs rifle ranges something could be done. I also shoot "Wild Bunch" (spin off from Cowboy Action - 1911 in 45 auto/40cal+ lever Rifle/shotgun) and we have started shooting a Bolt Action match as part of that... so many of us would have "match legal" gear I reckon. Hell..I could go Austro-Hungarian and use my 95 Steyr Rifle and 1912 Steyr pistol! (The pistol would be a handicap...8 round...stripper clip loading lol - better off with the 1911) The closest we have got - without kettle bells and hundred yard sprints - is a side match called "The Doughboy" Stage based - Bolt Action rifle... 1911...and shotgun. Im thinking we could drop the shotgun from that event and still have as much fun...
@@jakeplissken"Near or Far?" And people think that the Mandolorian was the first to feature a Bergmann, I think the one first carried by the actor playing Wayne's son (who was Robert Mitchum's son) and later was carried by the character played by John Wayne's son.
Running that lever action looked fun! I need to get out and shoot mine more often. As far as those criticizing the RO for being so loud, I would rather have him loud than quite. With everyone having hearing protection on and other stages going on in the background along with random gun fire from other people at the range he better be loud!
I lived in the northern foothills of the Allegheny Mountains ( part of the Appalachia region but not in the South). Our old 1873 was just that! My Dad ran off trespassing city folk deer hunters with it when I was a kid. It also put some not so legal venison on the table.
I like the themes from different time periods a lot. People that think a gun is a gun would never get how cool this kind of stuff makes a cool match cooler.
That positive thinking stuff is no joke. When I was shooting .22 three position matches, my coach taught me to, on the car ride over (if I wasn’t the one driving) to shoot the match in my head. Visualize every single shot, even visualize putting the rifle down if you don’t immediately visualize a good sight picture. Was a massive improvement on my shooting.
Me and my kinfolk are from Montana and we have a real soft spot in our hearts for lever guns. I shoot left handed so lever guns are my favorite to shoot. I Would love to see these stages on horse back. Good shooting karl!!!!!
Loving seeing the lever gun being used in setting like this! Super cool demonstration of the "OG assault rifle" idea, and just an all-around cool thing to see! Makes the western books which are becoming one of my guilty pleasures come to life! Keep up the great work guys!
Such a great show. I need to rewatch it again. What's funny is I was always like "Wyoming is so beautiful!" (and I'm sure it is), but the entire show was filming in New Mexico. Lol.
Lyset it’s funny because when I started watching it I was like damn this place is beautiful then I realized oh shit this is my state in the northern region of NM lol. It’s funny how the state is the more north you go the more it looks like Colorado and and more south you go looks like south Arizona. But if you stay in the middle the more like Afghanistan it looks like 😂😂
I think it's from scully. They do alot of clothing for Cowboy Action Shooting wich is a historic shooting competition done in historical costume. Good fun
I always enjoy your videos, but this was the best one in a long time. Although I do have safes full of modern guns, my heart is still with the older ones. I hunt and shoot skeet with either a SxS (sometimes a Pedersoli muzzleloader) or 1897 Winchester, and around the property, I usually have either a Colt 1872 or 1973 on my hip. And when I used to shoot IDPA, I'd place in the top 3 overall shooting a Sokol Custom 3" Model 13 Smith while most of the other shooters are shooting Glocks and 1911's. There's nothing wrong with the old, hand crafted, guns.
7:05 I was literally holding my breath and round counting while watching this first engagement. I was so sad that Karl pared out. :( Such an awesome runs with Lever action. Yeeehaw intensifies. Oh, and extra points for cosplay. Looks epic. ;)
I so get where Karl is coming from. Lever actions, at the end of the day, are just tremendous fun. Bonus (important bonus): they actually work! Here's to all of my fellow olds who were raised with Marlin .30-30s or whatever. Perfect guns for young shooters. Which is not a slam. Great for any age shooters.
The first two days of the shoot (I couldn't stay for sat/sun) I think only 4/107 ppl spun the spinner. I think a higher number, but still very low from sat/sun. I took me 12 shots with 4 misses in there to spin it. I was shooting a .40cal P226 with iron sights. A lot of people were shooting non-modern guns with limited magazine capacity. That said, one guy cleared it with a .45cal 1911A1.
This format was much easier to watch than Finish Brutality. That format made it difficult to follow along with what was happening. I was concerned that this match would follow suit. This is much clearer.
Human performance research on motor tasks involving eye-hand coordination benefits strongly from visualization. This is particularly true if one concentrates on the details of the task, taking as long as the actual task will take. Benefits equivalent for upwards of 50% of actual practice can be realized.
I'm imagining a speed loader for the kings gate system: A metal socket at the gate and a tube with a plunger to press rounds in, like the tube fed shotguns in 3- gun. Suddenly the 5 round packet clip seams diminutive...
To Karl, I'm sure you remember the time (because I think I remember mentioning it in a previous video) where a lever gun was used with good effect by a modern army, the Ottomans in the Battle of Plevna in 1877. Of course, they used the model 1866 Winchester not the more modern 1977. Even after this was widely known among the world's militaries, they still didn't avail themselves of the increased firepower. I wonder if the lesson learned was that the long-range single-shot rifle (Peabody-Martini's I think I remember) of the Ottomans was more important than the short range of the lever actioned rifle. That would need to wait another 50-80 or years for the lesson of firepower to be re-discovered.
Looking at the smoke from a single person with black powder out of that lever action, I can understand why a lot of militaries were reluctant to use something like that.
@@Picolinniwell, considering black powder was all everyone had up until the late 1800s, the smoke from massed numbers of troops or artillery was a real thing. In that regard, single somewhat widely spaced soldiers with lever guns wasn't a real problem, or at least wasn't noted.
I still remain sceptical on the practical use of the 1873 as a military rifle. Maybe as a dragoon’s rifle, or somewhere you can dictate the engagement range, but not massed or standard. Cavalry was still the tank of the day, and even with increasing fire rates, charges were rarely broken with massed fire. Up until smokeless powder and MG’s, massed formations and bayonets were the go to methods for defending against cavalry. As for the battle of Plevna, considering that smokeless powder came along soon after, you could argue that militaries did learn that lesson by the adoption of small bore smokeless cartridges. It just depends on how much each nation learned. As observed in Ian’s video on the .280 FAL that just came up, 7mm is a sweet spot for small bore (non-intermediate) rifle cartridges, yet a lot of nations tried and failed to improve on that.
@@Picolinni well, you too can be like the Russian army and not learn from practical experience as detailed in this article (there are other articles but most of them are longer in regards to the experiences of this battle - militaryrifles.com/Turkey/Plevna/ThePlevnaDelay.html
What is the safety procedure in the 1873? An open lever is really awkward, and you can’t reload, so I’m going to say you can’t run with the action open. There is no other external safety and an empty chamber is not a realistic option. leaving the last empty cartridge in the chamber? (Cuz Id never remember and crank the lever) Other then “don’t sweep anything,” how do you safely move? Hammer down? Half-cock?
Excellent video. Lever actions are still viable self defense weapons (or offensive assault weapons, for that matter) in States where ARs and other modern semiautos are banned.
Karl, I kind of have to disagree on the Winchester 1895 assessment. I grant that it's not quite as fast as the shorter actions, but it's still more than capable of being plenty fast when the rifle is in good operating condition (which most of the Russian ones are not any more). My experience comes from a Miroku made Winchester brand saddle ring carbine in .30-40 Krag (which has the 'modern' tang safety and rebounding hammer) and Miroku made Browning brand sporter in .30-06 (which is a near perfect copy of the originals, with none of the modern safety add-ons). Both are pretty slick on stroke, though they fall slightly short of my Uberti 73 or any of my slicked up Rossi 92's. It's easily on par with my really nice '46 Model 94 in .32 Special and a smidge behind my Marlin 94 CB that has been a project since I got it (previous own had made some not terribly well done modifications, like trying to fit sling swivels improperly).
@@MarvinCZ I imagine his experience is based on Ian's shooting of an original Russian contract rifle. As I recall, that rifle had issues, largely due to it's age and condition. The examples I've got are in practically brand new condition and operate much more smoothly. I'd say that I am virtually no slower with them than just about all of my pistol/light rifle cartridge leverguns. While I've never had the chance to properly time myself, I do know that I'm reasonably fast with them, certainly not top cowboy action shooter fast, but likely mid-range CAS fast.
@@USSEnterpriseA1701 Put yourself on a timer with a dude watching you running the same drill with both at some range and have someone videotape it and you could have an interesting discussion on your hands!
So from my understanding of the guns, which is limited to book/internet knowledge so to be taken with many grains of salt, the post 1892 action put together by browing is extremely strong, almost redundantly so, meaning there are more parts locking up, also the rifle cartridge in the 1895 requires a longer lever throw to clear the case and lift the next one. Both of these factors combine to have a slower (but probably not slow) gun. Or I'm just talking shit
@@JaguarSeraph I ever get the chance, I'll jump at it, but right now life events dictate that doing that will have to wait for a better time. Honestly, I want to know for sure myself.