Winchester Experimental Mag-Fed Garands 

Me: *googles magazine fed garand Google: M14. Take it or leave it

Vanguard devs:we can make a game based around this

950 rds/min in 30-06 from a shoulder fired weapon - sounds like a wonderful anti-aircraft weapon

US Ord. Dept.: "We want to replace EVERYTHING" Soldier: "Even the Thompson?" US Ord. Dept.: "ESPECIALLY THE THOMPSON"

US military and firearms designers before the war: "alright we want a semi automatic rifle to get a technological edge on the battlefield, but... we don't want detachable magazines." "wait, why no detachable magazines, you could hold so much more ammo and reload so much fas-" "We like change but not too much change." "Oook buddy, leme see what I can do..." *creates the en block clip* After the war: "Alright enblock clips were a stupid idea, someone give us a gun where you can take the magazine out." "Awesome, finnaly. While we are at it, we could make a few design changes to really get the most out of-" "We also want full auto capabilities, but don't want an entirely new rifle, so figure out a way to retrofit existing rifles. We like change but not too much change" "For fucks sakes dude." Cold war era: "So looks like all the cool kids are adopting Assault Rifles and want a common NATO caliber, how should we respond?" "Adopt the M14" "But every one already has FALs and-" "And make it .308." "But full power rifle cartridges used in a traditionally designed rifle defeat the purpose of having Assault Rif-" "This is america. We like change, but not too much change."

950+ rpm in .30-06, holy shit that would be a handful. Awesome video as always.

fully auto shoulder fired 30-06? and no bipod?? im all set you shoot first lol

"Now this rifle doesn't want to come out of it's stock very easily, so I'm not going to force it." That's very nice of you, Ian.

Son: Mom? Can I have an M14? Mom: No sweetie, we have one at home. At home:

my dad says 'Your the man and you know your shit'

"...at the same time, Winchester was also working on its G-30 rifle, which was its version of a magazine fed semi auto rifle which we will look at in a later video. They were also working on the WAR, the Winchester Automatic Rifle which was their idea for an improvement on the BAR, the Browning Automatic Rifle. We'll take a look at that, in a later video as well..." It is confirmed, Ian is a Time Lord. That is the only explanation for his time traveling videos and his extensive knowledge about forgotten firearms.

What's the point of having an M1 Garand if it doesn't go *ping*?

I just watched Ian trying to shoot an M14 on full auto in .308. I can't even imagine shooting 30.06 rifle in full auto.

955 rounds of 30-06 per minute, for when you want to do more damage to your shoulder than the target you just missed 20 times.

**Holding my rifle up so it can see the screen** "There's your Grandpa!"

I find it interesting that this 1 weapon platform filling every role mindset actually has occurred to a degree with the AR platform. The mk18 has filled the role of a smg, the m110, and mk12 have filled sniper and dmr applications, and the m27 has filled a saw role to an extent, along with the m4 and m16 being standard service rifles and carbines

Wow! A rare variant of the Garand: The assault Garand. You can tell it's meant for fully-automatic fire from it's clipazine because it has the shoulder thing that goes up!

I didn't give two craps about firearms before I stumbled upon your channel. You make it that much more interesting, thanks :D

My dad use to have a select fire m1 garand. It took the standard clips though, not a removable magazine. My grandfather bought it for my dad in a surplus store long time ago, the rifle was handed over for destruction in the 90’s when the Canadian gov came out with the long gun registration and stuff.

30-06 at 950RPM? Fuck that.

You talked about the BAR magazines being use in this project , over here in brazil the army tried something similar in the 50s , they made a copy of the g43 chambered in 30.06 and using BAR magazines , needless to say that it didn't work very well .

God the ordinance department sucks. They're either unfairly giving good designs the go around, making unreasonable demands for new projects, or refusing to see how future trends are going

Thanks gun jesus.

Next video: belt fed Rhodesian Garands

"They wanted it magazine fed, select fire, mount a scope..." So basically they wanted a Mini14.

Yay vanguard is technically kinda accurate about this

The addition of that detachable magazine makes the Garand look a whole lot cooler

The Garand, the M14 and the L1A1 are things of beauty.

I seem to recall watching a WWII movie several years ago in which one of the actors/extras was using a full auto M1….and it struck me as odd since I had always thought the M1 was semi-auto only….must have been an “artistic license” kind of thing….

I knew these existed, everyone thought I was crazy or didn't know what I was talking about, I WAS RIGHT

I always thought these didn't exist.... I'm so happy Magfed m1 garands... My god...it actually happened

There was a company [McCann Industries] that modified Garand chambers to shoot .458, very hard rifles to find these days. They did a few different calibers, and fit them with drop-clips.

You're the man Ian. I've been watching your videos for a week straight now. Not only informative, but extremely interesting. You've definitely got the X-Factor man!

Using the recoil spring for the magazine release lever is quite brilliant, props to whoever efficiently thought of that.

Idk why but folding feed lips are really pleasing.

950 rpm? More like a 5 round burst.

I read that the initial version of the grand was submitted to the Army had a box magazine, but the Lt. Col. in charge of procurement rejected it because he though that the troops would "Waste" ammunition using it.

very cool video Ian, m1 garand has always been my favorite rifle ever and its cool to see all the experimental things it could have became in all you videos you post very cool!

This is also a great showcase to use when ppl ask, 'why don't they just stick a magazine into X rifle' one would not believe how naive ppl thought weapon designs are in general, or most engineered designs are for that matter... it seems most ppl thought one just fit things to another and hammer it till it fit in engineering field

Thanks for the informative videos, when I check your channel and find another firearm it makes my day!

I hate lugging around the weight of my Garand let alone a Garand with a full box magazine.

Pretty cool experimental versions. And I get the idea behind it. And then everybody figured out that a handheld full auto weapon in a .30 caliber full power rifle cartridge wasn't the best idea. And then enter the AR15/M16 rifles. I love my surplus firearms and most of them are pretty great in their own way. And I find it even more interesting to see these evolutionary experiments and what did and did not make it into the hands of the soldier by the time it was all said and done.

I love seeing videos of little to unknown variants of my all-time favorite rifle!!!!

I remember a guy up in Maine,over 20 years ago,that had a semi auto M-1, it used BAR magazines,pretty cool rifle to say the least!

A precursor to the M14, very cool. Makes one wonder how the war would have gone, had these been in production from the start.

3:00 And here I was, wondering why the Garand closest to the camera had its magazine so far away from the action... Turns out it was just the magazine of the Garand behind it... Darn optical illusions! Great video Ian!

Using the main spring for tension on the magazine catch is sooooooo cool.

You have such an awesome channel and I am very jealous you get to handle all this amazing history.

Vanguard be Like

Ian: "Idea straight out of fantasy land" Stoner:

Harry Seifried went on to design and build the High Standard .22 revolvers that were sold from the 50s to the 70s. He also went to work for Ruger and helped designed some guns for Bill Ruger, IIRC he helped with the 10/22.

Love what you do! Very educational and you never sound annoying :)

yes nothing like a fresh ian video to start my morning

The lens of Hindsight (imperfect as it is); .30-06 in full auto (but not 900 rnds/min.!) Lighter ammo (but not 85gr., it won't penetrate tropical grass) Box magazines (but don't stick out of the stock much) Shorter barrels (but still have the muzzle velocity and long range accuracy of 26 inch) Use cheap (and dirty) powder, but don't issue any cleaning tools! Are the Bureaucrats on OUR side or THEIRS?

Bravo, Sir!....you're the first individual I've heard (on U-Tube, or ANYWHERE) who CORRECTLY pronounces the name of the inventor of these weapons!

Good vid youngster. Keep them rolling

@ 1:55 I think you're describing the AR15 it can be a multi cal SBR subgun, light weight, with a scope, beta mag and even belt fed, accurate and effective... just not a long 30 cal...

I've read a couple of stories about GI's in WWII doing battlefield modifications to the sear on their Garrands to convert them to full auto. One of the first references to this practice came from Major Dick Winters of Band of Brothers fame.

Outstanding Info Presentation !

The Italian did make the jump basically using a our rife into a full auto beast. I look forward to seeing a video on that rifle in action. 👀

Me and my brother were talking about if this exists and now it's in my recommend, RU-vid scares me...

Ian truly is a prophet.

Very informative, have to give you big props. And Thanks for posting!

That was quite an interesting video. Shows a evolutionary step between the M1 and the M14.

It would be interesting to contrast the details of these to a M14.

How different is the M14? I was under the impression that it was a modified M1. I've got to say 900 rpm in 30-06 would do its best to remove your arm from your shoulder!

Always unique and informative. Thanks.

Awesome! Thank you for such great quality content! God bless!

So who's here after the release of Vanguard?

But is it a truly an M1 Garand if it lacks the "ping" though?

Great informative Winchester arms video.

Very good video, and very informative. I have a 1943 Springfield Armory M1 Garand, and I love it just to way it is. This thing is in great shape, and I wouldn't part with this for anything!!!

Ian, with regard to the feed lips on the 2nd magazine, the M1 was clip fed in part because of some influential people's fears about detachable magazine feed lips getting damaged when dropped. Is it possible the feed lips on that magazine where spring-loaded to prevent damage and mitigate those fears? :/

Man what I wouldn’t give to hear the ping after a Garand fires 900rpm

Very very cool. Thank you for sharing.

man it would've been cool to see these rifles fire or any old weapons you review but I understand why you can't. Awesome piece of history!

Mag Fed Garand Do You Mean: The M14?

All i ever wanted in my Garand is a magazine and a god damn oprod cover. Still waiting on the oprod cover.

Thank you for sharing

You are the Bob Ross of weapon breakdowns.

Cool. I was aware of the Japanese clone with the 10 round internal box magazine but was totally unaware of modifications being attempted by domestic manufacturers. I'd always held that one weakness of the M1 was the en bloc system. Interesting to see the challenges presented by the rifle in making a different system operate correctly.

Having never suffered “Garand thumb” but having seen it, this would have saved a lot of thumbs!

I'd like to imagine every time I see Ian wearing gloves in a video that the firearm(s) hes taking a look at must truly be near one of a kind type things, very cool video as always King

Most Interesting. I love my M1 and I love my M1A. Thanks for the excellent video.

do I spy a shoulder thing that goes up on that select fire garand?

Hello Ian. Great video with great information. Had the STG 44 German assault rifles came into great numbers a year or 2 earlier, I think the USA would have been forced to field M-1's with at least box magazines rather than 8 round clips. Also a selective fire box magazine version of he M-1 Garand. What are your thoughts on that Ian? Thanks again buddy!

Thanks, Ian.

Thanks Ian

so basically an m14 without an auto-sear.

Vanguard seems to have been right

I really like the use of existing parts in that first example. They seem to have really tried to use what they already had rather then add a lot of new parts. Even small pieces like the clip release is reused as one of the magazine catches.

youre my fav channel wish I could test these weapons with you. I've only shots handful of modern pistols and the sks Norinco Chinese made. I love yur vids man you've taught me so me so much about small arms

hey gun Jesus how similar is this to the Italian g series magazine garand rifle the italian navy still uses

Its automatically shit because there's no ping

Call of duty vanguard seen this video one time and said MAGAZINE BUT MAKE IT A DRUM????? AND STILL PING!!!!

When I got to Nam in 68 Tet as a Marine 0311, my rifle, a M16 with a fork type flash suppressor, had a serial number that started with. XM. It was covered in mud, and I always wondered how the previous owner gave it up.

Now I wonder if post 1980s m1 garand rifles are still capable of accepting that conversion,lol ........they probably could to be fair

Sooo... Vanguard can justify doing the not good stuff to the garand?

Some one needs to produce these

This rifle was the prototype for the Italian Bm59 rifle which was a Magazine fed M1 Garand.