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Winchester Long Beard vs. Kent Ultimate Turkey | TESTED

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Is the Kent Ultimate Turkey hunting ammo really the best? I tested its diamond shot against Winchester Long Beard XR's copper plated lead in a pattern and ballistics gel experiment at 40 yards. What is the best turkey hunting ammunition? The performance made the winner very clear.
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This test was done at a certified shooting range with proper safety equipment. I used my Mossberg 940 Pro Turkey with its 24" barrel and an average Turkey choke, the Carlsons 0.670 Turkey choke. The performance of the Long Beard begins to compare with lower grade TSS ammo depending on the choke used. These loads may be compared against others like BOSS Tom TSS, Remington Nitro Turkey, Federal premium TSS, APEX TSS, HEVI TSS, and many more. #turkeyhunting #turkeyhunter
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@mikehobbs7421 4 месяца назад

Iv always shot Winchester loads for turkey. Double X then long beard xr. My buddy was trying every new load that came out and tried the Kent diamonds. Needless to say they didn’t preform. I have been using Kent tk7 tungsten for a season and half now. They are doing very well in my set up right now. But they are discontinued now. Once I run out of my stash I will be going back to long beard xr’s. Cheers from a cansdian turkey hunter! 🍻🇨🇦👍🏻 🦃

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Thanks. The long beard xr is the king of the lead loads. It's hard to beat and consistently great.

@mattsweet7918 4 месяца назад

Another good video George. It seems like the only thing that’s ultimate about the Kent shells is the “ultimate” marketing ploy. Thanks for sharing.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Thanks!

@-B_G- 4 месяца назад

Kent needs to stick to budget waterfowl loads and drop the turkey shells all together, for the turkey and turkey hunters sake. It should be named “Kent Sub-Par Diamond”

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

HAHA, its better than some others maybe. Like Remington Nitro Turkey. But it's certainly not ultimate.

@stewartw7248 4 месяца назад

Kent is the worst patterning turkey shell I have ever tested. Friend bought a bunch and tried them in a 500, 590a1, 835, 940, 11-87, Versa Max, 870, Citori 725, and M4. Tried with Carlson, Patternmaster, and Indian Creek. Also a few with a Jellyhead and Kicks.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

@@stewartw7248 That sounds like more determination to try to make them work than I'd have. I'd give up long before that. In fact, this one test was enough for me lol.

@BrokenBarBox 4 месяца назад

I was thinking ‘Kent Ultimate Cubic Zirconia’ because you know, looks just like and probably just as good….

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

@@BrokenBarBox HAHA

@jamesvatter5729 4 месяца назад

100% agree about the Longbeard XR.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Thanks!

@johnconnelly3674 4 месяца назад

Agree haven't done well with Kent diamond shot.

@Drblood6721 4 месяца назад

Just re-checked my SBE3 with vortex venom today shooting apex 3.5" 2 1/2oz #9 TSS out of the carlson TSS choke and put 396/905 in a 10" circle at 40yds... not too bad. Hot "core" with about a 15-20in forgiving circle around it. Very happy

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Thats a good pattern there. Maybe too good lol.

@user-sp9hy8tq4j 4 месяца назад

Not too good either

@andrewstraub131 4 месяца назад

That doesn’t seem great for a $15 round

@longranger99 4 месяца назад

I’ve actually been searching for Kent #5 turkey loads. After testing several other brands that were reasonably priced the Kent’s patterned well in my turkey gun. I’ll continue to use them as long as I can find them.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

This same load? Or another Kent turkey load?

@longranger99 4 месяца назад

@@TheNewHuntersGuide Same load.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

@@longranger99 Nice.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

@@longranger99 What Choke?

@longranger99 4 месяца назад

@@TheNewHuntersGuide looks like the choke is a Carlson’s Turkey Choke, 12ga invector plus, 0.665.

@stevemeeks3826 4 месяца назад

Longbeards are hard to beat...did work on my gun and it's amazing!! Yea I get it tss has more shot but more recoil...but lead load I'll stand with the Longbeard on being consistent and devastating for the price and well being absolutely consistent!!

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Can't beat em for the money!

@Allsznhunter 4 месяца назад

I use to shoot the old Kent ultimate diamond shot turkey load 3" 2oz of 5 shot and it was a hammer, then they discontinued it, I had a couple boxes put back but after patterning new guns new chokes diff ranges etc I've ran out, now for lead I'll stick to longbeard's 3" magnum 1 7/8 #6's or if I wanna take tss that day I'll go with my apex 3" 2 1/4oz #9's or the 3" 2 1/4oz #8.5 turkey ninja's or if I just wanna feel pain I'll shoot the longbeard 3 1/2" magnum 2 1/8oz #6's, they do good from my guns and chokes but I don't fool with 3 1/2" shells a whole lot, 3" seems to be the best all around in every hunting type shell, waterfowl, buckshot, turkey, etc, but yes the old Kent ultimate was good from my tests and hunting experiences but doubt I ever fool with getting anymore

@jamesbriseno4705 4 месяца назад

Like the no nonsense videos 👍

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Thanks so much!

@jakeskinner8671 4 месяца назад

I’m sure I’m wrong but it always seemed to me that a better representation of how many “more” pellets strike inside the 10 inch circle would be to compare the lower number of 56 by the difference of 91 to get 162.5 percent more pellets in the circle.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

There are about 3 legit ways to do the math. I prefer to calculate it as the percent increase needed by the lower to reach the higher. Because you need a larger increase from 56 to reach 147. And ultimately that's the goal, for the lesser to reach the performance of tue greater. At least that's how I process it

@andrewstraub131 4 месяца назад

In the 3” 20 gauge with the carlsons choke I am patterning really nicely out to 60 yards

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

With which load?

@andrewstraub131 4 месяца назад

@@TheNewHuntersGuide diamond shot #5

@Joshua-yr2fz 4 месяца назад

Diamond Shot refers to a grade of lead shot. Now, I do not think anyone is regulating that. Winchester is labeling some loads Diamond shot now (Pheasant). I would prefer the buffered XR Rooster load that went away. Just can’t beat the Olin/Winchester risen and bead buffer. Now, we could have a conversation about plastic beads.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Thay may indeed be. But the pellets are also shaped like little diamonds.

@longridgearchery 4 месяца назад

@@TheNewHuntersGuidecut one open they are not diamond shaped.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

@@longridgearchery Yea they are, I held the pellets in my hands. They are diamond/hex shaped, as I said in the video. Ugly diamonds but they are.

@juliusjames5577 4 месяца назад

I would think all ammo brands would try to come up their own version of Longbeard xr.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Yea, I'm shocked they dont.

@danielnalepinski3884 4 месяца назад

😆 I used regular lead loads for the longest time. Luckily I found a good choke combo for the kent ultimate turkey in 20 guage. But since I've tried longbeard ammo. I won't use anything else unless it's tss.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Yea, I landed in a very similar place.

@paulslund1 4 месяца назад

I'd be curious to see the comparions between LongBeard XR and Winchester prior LongRange HighDensity load (if they still made them).. Actually..I'd like to see the HighDensity load in the XR configuration.. That would be interesting..

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

I think it would be pretty cool too.

@JefferyWoodcock Месяц назад

You may or may not know, Winchester XR has a weak epoxy that bonds the shot together. It's always going to group in high numbers.

@TheNewHuntersGuide Месяц назад

Yea, I did a video on that part of it. Other shells have buffer material too, some even epoxy. I've yet to see anything come close to the long beard in performance.

@fransenet 4 месяца назад

Another great job. Have you ever done a video on barrel length with turkey loads. I know a lot of shotguns that have a short barrel and I was wondering if there was an advantage other than it is lighter and easier to hide.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

I haven't but I'd like to if I had a shorter barrell. Essentially to gain convenience at the cost of a little velocity.

@grahamshepherd4847 4 месяца назад

UK here. Diamond Shot apparently is just graded more times for a consistent diameter and shape I THINK. this looks like a choke-cartridge mismatch, possibly too tight for all that 2 oz of shot?

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Well, 0.670 is the most open turkey choke I have. It's unlikely most people will have one looser. That may be somewhat true for the shot, but these pellets are literally shaped like little diamonds. I think that's the biggest issue.

@grahamshepherd4847 4 месяца назад

@@TheNewHuntersGuide obv, im UK and we dont shoot turkeys, but 2 oz of shot is a lot!

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

@@grahamshepherd4847 Yea, it is alot for sure! Most lead shot I've seen in a 3" shell. And the Winchester makes it obvious that less can be more lol.

@user-sp9hy8tq4j 4 месяца назад

@@TheNewHuntersGuidevery true! Mossberg has the openest turkey chokes in the game

@bent5434 4 месяца назад

Thanks for the video

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Thanks for watching Ben!

@UplandHunter354 4 месяца назад

I use the old Kent ultimate turkey and it shoots great oit my gun/choke combo

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

How old is it? I'm hearing the older stuff is different than the new stuff.

@UplandHunter354 4 месяца назад

@@TheNewHuntersGuide probably close to 15 years. I got the first box just to try because it was on sale for $6.99 at Cabela's. It patterned awesome so I bought two more boxes.

@jeffbarris8172 4 месяца назад

Thanks again George, God bless you and go get them in the marsh

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Thanks Jeff!

@davidbilbrough3726 4 месяца назад

As you said you rself- do not believe all the hype. It makes you wonder : did they test them? I think that they are over loaded and 1-3/4oz might work better? I used to make fox loads with 40grns 2400 powder and 2oz No 4(.20) buck shot, and you needed a heavy gun to manage them. In this case quantity worked.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

I feel like the odd shaped shot just doesn't fly well. They can probably fit 2oz because the pellets can interlock and have less dead space in the shell. Just theorizing.

@Marius_Macedon 4 месяца назад

ωραίος ο Γιωργάκης! Πρώτος! Nice Video!!!! Greetings from Greece (the really ULTIMATE place for vacations)

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Thanks!

@ri7589 4 месяца назад

You save me lots of money…thanks

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

I try!

@paulslund1 4 месяца назад

No no.. you're confused about the marketing. It's not "THE"ultimate turkey round, it's "THEIR" ultimate turkey round.. meaning it surpasses any of THEIR previous turkey offerings, which, in reality, isn't that hard to do..😁

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

HAHA.

@mikeramone003 4 месяца назад

Winchester Longbeard in 3.5" patterns so well from my Benelli Nova.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Great!

@waltergurly4040 4 месяца назад

Well look at that ultimate test

@MT-vm1zh 4 месяца назад

I too have tried their upland shots and duck loads and is not impressed with kents at all. I really tried to like them but I am sticking to my usual winchesters and federals.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Their fastest 2 is my favorite duck load. And their bismuth patterned well for me. The turkey ammo however has not been what I hoped.

@MT-vm1zh 4 месяца назад

Really? Your favorite duck load are their fastest 2? Is that steel or bismuth? Wow maybe I should try those. But since you got me into boss i cannot see myself to try something else nonlead! I thought boss was your favorite duck load?? No?

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

@@MT-vm1zh My favorite steel load is their Fasteel 2.0. Not my favorite duck load, that is probably BOSS Warcheif #3/5. If I have to shoot steel, I'm reaching for Fasteel #4. But I don't shoot much steel these days.

@user-sp9hy8tq4j 4 месяца назад

Remington express extra long range high brass is some good shit for upland hunting/squirrels etc

@MT-vm1zh 4 месяца назад

@@user-sp9hy8tq4jWe have tried those in the pass and were very dissapointed out of our guns. Remingtons regular high brass was good but dirty powder. Its hit and miss with remington ammo. They have some real shells and some not so good ammo.

@humorss 4 месяца назад

do they really use non round pellets? seems detrimental to flight characteristics without spin.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Yea, they are sort of diamond/hex shaped. I can't see any benefit.

@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984 4 месяца назад

WOW 😮 That was AN ULTIMATE FAILURE 😨

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

I can't say I was impressed, that's for sure.

@justinpoore2938 4 месяца назад

Magnum blend says dollar for dollar most lethal turkey load avalanche

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Which load?

@SirAlford 4 месяца назад

Ultimate price also?

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Actually no, it's cheaper than the Winchester. For lead turkey ammo, its a mid level price.

@SirAlford 4 месяца назад

@@TheNewHuntersGuide The Black Mamba choke never leaves my Weatherby 18i for turkey or waterfowl. A do it all choke!

@davidpakulski4820 4 месяца назад

Why did you use a red dot on the first round and not the second? Just wondering 🤔

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

It broke actually, so I took it off. They did replace it though, had a new one in about 3 business days.

@blackbandedfireworks2741 4 месяца назад

Something is definitely a miss here. I'm a Winchester turkey load user also. 2oz of # 5 shot. The data on the Kent shot is off. What I mean by that is 56 vs. 147 hits. For one according to this the Kent has more BB's vs. Winchester. Maybe just maybe a bad shot??? I'm just saying and NOT BASHING by any means.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Honestly this has been my experience with many lead turkey loads, Rem Nitro, Rem Premier, Winchester Super X Turkey, etc. They all pattern similar to this in a 10" circle with #5s. Only Winchester Long Beard does great. If the shot isn't buffered, it doesn't hold a very tight pattern. Let alone make the pellets diamond shape instead of spherical.

@blackbandedfireworks2741 4 месяца назад

@@TheNewHuntersGuide Ok, I can see that. Me personally would have done an average. I've used all of what you just mentioned. Can I ask why a 10" circle?? Is that the circle for the turkeys head area so to speak? Why don't you use the standard 30" circle at 40 yards? I'm just asking the method to your madness. I appreciate all the videos that you have done 7 ones to come. I also subbed the channel. Thanks for all you do & in explanation.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

@blackbandedfireworks2741 sure. The 10" circle has long been the standard for turkey loads, long before I came along. It approximates a reasonable high density circle that still provides some margin without risking much meat damage. It also has to do with far the turkeys head is away from the meat. I do have a video coming that kicks the tires on this traditional measurement as well.

@blackbandedfireworks2741 4 месяца назад

@@TheNewHuntersGuide Thanks for the explanation

@johnf6967 4 месяца назад

He don’t miss, he do not miss

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

@timjones8184 4 месяца назад

I thought diamond shot referred to hardness of the lead shot. Thus diamond being the hardest.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Oh no, its shaped like a diamond. That's for real.

@justinpoore2938 4 месяца назад

Longbeard xr cost 3 times that kent load. You can’t really compare longbeard xr to other lead no other lead shot is made with “shot lock resin”

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

But they could be made with other cheap buffer material. Most use nothing.

@jesseregister8713 4 месяца назад

Did you say diamonds????

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Yup! The shot is shaped like little diamons.

@briancunningham5011 4 месяца назад

Dayum thats a nice shoty

@oilvalleyoutdoors 4 месяца назад

Shooting freehanded during a review is crazy....

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Why? These aren't rifle groups. I use big paper to capture the entire pattern so it doesn't matter if I'm off by a few inches or even a foot.

@tomgensel4134 4 месяца назад

You missed with the Winchester 🇺🇲

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Nope, still hit the paper square. I shoot a lot of different ammos for videos, I wasn't signed in for either of these.

@adammeyer8315 4 месяца назад

I have never been impressed with Kent loads, still not impressed with Kent loads.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

I definitely wasn't more impressed after testing it. The waterfowl loads are good though. Fasteel 2.0 is my favorite steel load on the market.

@MT-vm1zh 4 месяца назад

I was never impressed with kent also. I used their bismuth upland in a 3" and was very very dissapointed with the outcomes. The ounce shot and speed look great but the outcome was very disappointing shot after shot on different guns from pumps to auto and also O/U. Not to mention they cost $65/box!

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

@@MT-vm1zh What was their bismuth load not doing for you?

@MT-vm1zh 4 месяца назад

@@TheNewHuntersGuide 30 yrs avid hunter and tester here. My main purchase and test was to try a nonlead load that is not steel since steel is too light and didn't have have the energy pass 30yrds since my state ban lead few years ago. So I tried the upland 3" on squirrels, took 5 shots at a squirrel about 30yrds up the tree and when it finally expired and skinned, only had like 5 pellets in it. Then tried on pheasants and wasn't killing them like the good old lead with very few pellets in it also. Then tried pigeons with it and still had bad results from a variety of guns and chokes, not just one. Kents have a defect with this particular shells! Again, the specs really look great on kents upland bismuth but boy it is the upmost dissapointment myself and a buddy had with them. I still have cases of winchester and federal steel shots. Once I tried boss, I will never go back to other nonleads!!! You definitely made me a believer in boss! Thanks. I am also not surprised at your results and that is pretty much and far worst how my results were with their bismuth upland.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

@@MT-vm1zh Well, its all in how it patterns in your gun, assuming the velocity is true. I liked the Kent #4 bismuth for long range shots because my pattern density was really good for me, but then BOSS Warchief came out and overshadows the Kent.

@S_N_O_W_U_Y 4 месяца назад

You give me Luke Big Pants vibes except actual video content and not skits

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

I don't know who that is, but thanks? lol

@ErnieCrabtree 4 месяца назад

Ouch! 😂

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Yup

@commoncorysense1809 4 месяца назад

If you are going to highlight that you just happen to have a PHD, then at least substantiate why it is relevant to the content.

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

Videos have been done on the subject. I can't rehash everything on every video, people already complain they are too long 😂. But in short, I'm a trained researcher who approaches testing with an accedemic framework that is then scaled down for budget and facility constraints. Hence the defined methodology and data.

@robertbowman1940 4 месяца назад

You shot with the Kents and hit the turkey and it would be dead you shot with the other and completely missed it doesn't matter how many pellets are in the circle you have to hit the bird to kill it

@TheNewHuntersGuide 4 месяца назад

That's not really relevant. I'm not going to spend half a box of ammo to sight in the red dot for every ammo I test between shots. That's why I use large paper to catch the whole pattern

@S_N_O_W_U_Y 4 месяца назад