Winds of Winter Predictions: Jon the Wolfman 

I love how by the end of Dance the entire world is about ready to fall apart, with no Others needed. The drama in Kings Landing, the battle of Ice outside Winterfell , the battle of Fire in Mereen , the murder of Jon and the chaos that will follow afterwards at the Wall. Jon Con and fAegon tearing through Westeros....and then behind it all the Others ready to make their move. TWOW will be INSANE.

I think the fact that there’s so much emphasis on Jon and ghost basically being and acting as one. Jon is stated as being a pretty powerful skin changer, he’s just too busy running the wall and hanging on for dear life

A dark, savage and more brutal Jon chapters are going to be very entertaining to read😁God I can't wait for that book

now I'm picturing a white haired, red eyed Jon next to his red eyed white wolf. They look and move like one being, connected and inseperable. Whatever Jon does, Ghost complements. Jon looks like a Ghost become flesh, and his demeanor reflects the change. He has this sharpened sense about him, more composed and watchful. (the visual change would also help convince people he actually died, because you can tell something drastic changed. This is not the same man that joined the nights watch)

Therapist: TeenWolf Jon isn't real. He can't hurt you. Teen Wolf Jon: 17:37

I like the idea of Jon with red eyes and frozen armor. That is like Ghost, and also symbolically like Dragonglass, frozen fire and all that. Cool stuff guys!

At the least Jon will be more ruthless when he returns, a piece of him will be chipped away, being murdered by his own brothers of the Night's Watch will no doubt have a profound impact and some of Ghost's wild animalistic nature may have rubbed off on him. All these factors will result in a distinct new incarnation of Jon Snow. On another note, remember in ADWD when Bran was warging Summer and meets the wolf that Varamyr Six Skins ended up in at the end of the prologue? When he locked eyes with it Bran knew that someone's mind dwelt within that wolf. By that point Varamyr was too far gone but there was still enough of a presence for Bran to notice. Moments like this further my belief in Jon residing within Ghost, and we definitely need 1 chapter from that strange PoV in TWOW.

Jon's potential as a character arc stand point is truly exciting. I've enjoyed him embracing the political nuances from being pulled in different directions from stannis, the nights watch and the wildlings. When he comes back he'll be a different more aggressive man. Can't wait

If George burns Ghost we riot.

I think Jon will look more like Darkstar's opposite, his hair still mostly black but with a streak of white now present. The red eyes idea is cool.

I keep picturing a destroyed Winterfell. The dead swarm through the breaks in the millenia old walls. But they just flow around jon like the water in a river parting for a stone. The White Walkers surround him and Jon raises his sword one last time and meets ice with steel. And the Walkers kneel.

The fact that on the show he was called "The white wolf" while being king may be taken from the idea that the people will start having about him while resurrected and being in part Ghost (A white wolf), so he will be more "Stark" since he will have Wolfblood and therefore being more irrational and savage. All attributes that people in the North always liked about the Starks. On the show he was called white wolf almost without a reason, since Ghost disappears for entire seasons...

The moment I read this al those years ago, I cried... Because after Stannis, Jon's story was the most compelling to me. The 2 always in the shadow of a brother (stannis by Robert with his charmed and Jon with his Robert the heir of winterfell, while he is the bastard in the back) I truly hope Jon's ressurection will be keeping him almost exactly the same and ghost alive... After the show I thought maybe Jon will be bound to the north so his choice to stay with the wildlings is more of necessity than for will. After he completes his task he can't leave the lands of always winter.

My theory is Mel is going to sacrifice Monster, Gillys baby The same as we're tricked into thinking (f)Arya was the important one in the Winterfell rescue (really it was Theon) we were tricked into thinking Mance son was the important one in the baby swap Why else does Gillys baby exist in the story? what role could he possibly have to play? why was Craster allowed to keep giving sons to the Others? the only reason that makes sense is Bloodraven needed one of Crasters babies himself eventually for a little magic Kill the boy, let the man be born..

You guys are really psyching me up for The Winds of Winter.

"I don't want it"

"I had bad dreams," Shireen told him. "About the dragons. They were coming to eat me". I never considered that Jon was the dragon, and that these dreams possibly foreshadowed Shireen being sacrificed to save him. I always thought if a dragon were to kill her it might be fAegon. My only question would be what other dragon is involved, because Shireen said "dragons", so there has to be one more.

Ever since I heard LML hypothesize about losing Jon Snow’s POV, the concept has become my most anticipated part of the upcoming story.

Im gonna be bummed when these are finished. You two together are the definitive ASOIAF content.

I need to see Jon go BEAST MODE Literally. Another great one Guys

George RR Martin was so annoyed by Gandalf the White that he created Lady Stoneheart and Beric Dondarrion. Also, I don't think we'll ever get another Jon POV chapter. Unless that's why Winds is taking so long. Writing the thoughts and inner monologue of a zombie might be pretty hard.

Maybe when Jon awakens his eyes will be red like Ghost’s are

If Jon gets resurrected through Shireen's Sacrifice, then Jon's feelings will mirror his Father Rhaegar's for Summerhall. He will become more private and withdrawn like Rhaegar was in Life.

I believe that Jon will be the future head of House Stark inverting the colors showing a white wolf on a gray field. Plus he has a valyrian steel sword fit for a Lord and according to Jojen's dream "the wolves will come again".

Can his resurrection be a combination of all three. Green magic, ice magic and fire magic

Long claw could take the heat if Jon wanted to light it on fire with his kings blood!

With Jon being inside Ghost when he comes back he might be more aggressive/wolf-ish which is something they’ll need when facing the long night

These videos make me drop whatever I’m doing, and I forgot how excited ASOIAF used to make me. Keep up the great work guys! I know you’re helping other fans look forward to TWOW again too. I can’t wait for the next videos!

About that Ghost POV... recall that Ghost is mute.

I imagine when people die in Westeros they go (back) to the weirwood network.

I feel like Jon might lose memory of his Stark siblings. It would be very heartbreaking to see a Jon Ayra reunion but Jon doesn't remember much of their past relationship.

Perhaps Jon could be like Varamyr Sixskins in the sense that his soul is divided between his own undead body and Ghost’s, and the only way to keep him from succumbing to the evil of whatever magic revives him is to keep Ghost alive to stay tethered to his soul, keeping it at least halfway in a living body, one that, while being an animal’s, is not corrupted by magic.

About the looks of post-resurrection Jon. I agree that Jon's hair would most likely turn white. Besides being Ghosts counterpart, he would most definitely be called the 'White Wolf', just as Robb was called the 'Young Wolf'. Also, the Stark banner is a grey wolf on a field of white. That reverses would be a white wolf on a field of grey :)

10 years later and he’s still feeling the cold

Also I think the "armored in black ice" is obsidian armor, to protect from others blades. This is why the nights watch has it so ingrained to be obsessed with wearing black. Its a survival tactic

Ah, my favourite topic - Thank you! :) - Jon is by heritage of BOTH sides mainly a Blackwood-warg. He's a wolfman. A new edition of Bloodraven. - I wouldn't mind if Jon stayed in Ghost for a long time and turned very wolfish. He was never very comfortable around humans and might be a lot happier being extra-smart-Ghost while his corpse is preserved in an ice-cell until the wall breaks. (If Euron gets a hold on Sams Horn, it might do so very quickly) - Though it might be, that Melisandre wakes his corpse by error trying to resurrect Stannis. But as it is, I could imagine the Wildlings - and the Giant would be completely ok, if a magical direwolf led them south, to aid Stannis. As a direwolf he can go directly for Ramsey's throat without cultural niceties and speeches. - But I wondered about Arya/Nymeria when Arya was stabbed in the Show, she might run off the Faceless Men to avenge Jon, and I somehow cannot see them taking that very kindly. - I would rate it a happy ending, if Ghost and Nymeria trotted back into the deep North to their kin after the end. If by a mixture of ice and fire magic his body manages to go back to a normal non-zombie-life he might go north with Val after all is finished, but I don't think she'll survive. I like the direwolf-end best, the zombie-lovestory would be... just urgh... gross... He might need a human body for a while to deal with Daenerys and Euron (not necessarily if the later turns into Cthulhu, in that case a Jon Twoskin and a very big dragon would be best, their godly battle-magic-rage could cause Volcanos and Earthquakes and Tsunamies and break the Neck and split Westeros) but... I'm no big fan of this either. Since Daenerys already had a relationship with a man whose main vocabulary was 'No' (mind as I read it, Jon's throat was slashed and just like Stonehart he might not be able to speak without perhaps Melisandres repair-necklace. Ghost is mute, so most likely is he.) she could even build a short romance on this... but I never shipped that aunt&nephew thing. Yes, she saw a blue rose grow from an ice-cell and since it's a plant growing from an icy seed it might be tree-magic, it might be 'true life' (from frozen sperm) and it would be perfect for dynastic purposes, but Daenerys is a conqueror and no breeding mare, so... most likely not. - Though it might need a baby to make a Lord Protector Bran 'Drogon' Stark in whatever is left of King's Landing - IS there anything left?... (behold, how I wriggle and twist and salto trying to fit the Show end in my argumentation...) Hm... for making Bran Lord Protector according to medievel usances he would need to be the closest male relative... otherwise the southern Lords would never have that, their royal blood is as good and old as that of the Starks, he can't be King, unless he uses Drogon's power and reigns by terror. By the way magical first-men bloodlines: Waymar Royce seems to be a cousin of Jon and the Starks and the Blackwoods. - Houses Royce and Waynwood and Templeton are in the run for the Stark-heritage in the North according to Lady Catelyn when Robb tried to appoint an heir for the North. - Only the Targaryen and Dayne-blood ran too thin in Royce, so he was iced. And what I missed: nobody talked about Jon and cousin 'steel-skin' Sansa. Steel and Ice with fiery hairs and fiery eyes might clash and fuse rather beautifully into a next generation. - THAT might be a reason for a regent Bran Stark (AND a perfect reason for Daenerys and Sansa getting really bitchy against each other.)

I've had the theory that Jon will come back with white hair for a while now, so I'm glad you guys agree even though it's not necessarily a big deal. A young wolfish Bloodraven with a burning sword would be awesome!

if ghost burns, Im done

I was talking about this with people in chat before the livestream. Not watched yet but excited!

this is the one video i was most excited about since you guys mentioned it, thaks for the qualiti content

I get so excited when I see you have a new ASOIAF video. Thank you so much for doing these videos. I’ve become a huge fan of you guys.

Awesome! I really hope Jon doesn't come back the same like he did on the show. Jon has a lot of baggage and I want that to show through when he gets revived. I want a dark Jon. I also love the idea of him being a Night King. All of these people remember the last time a Targaryen was on the throne and now there's gonna be one beyond the wall.

😄😳😭😄 so excited for Jon’s story. Btw funny editing and really freaking cool backdrop

9:24 I thought of the HBO Direwolves as cute. But this creeps me out.

Thanks for the excellent content both you and Quin have done an excellent job on all your videos you post. You guys got me into the books and just wanted to say thanks!

ASoIaF Fans: Oh boy, hopefully we'll see some TWOW this year! Quinn and LmL: *Dropping the hottest mixtape of 2020

The only life pays for life (bringing back the dead) has precedence in the Danny POV when the Magi brought Khal Drago back.

My take away from all this is that Jon will be an flame proof undead flame wielding warg champion of the light who can command dragons.

Love you both!! This was great 👍🏼.... Thanks 😊

I love how the editing-based jokes are so nonchalant in this series lol.

Every rewatch is awesome, again. I love the simple fact that you two came together for the best ASOIAF-Teamup of the fandom! Positive vibes to George!!!!!!

Can I just say, your reading voice is amazing. I would Love to hear any audio book in that voice!

I felt cold just listening to this...

I loved the predictions and you two have great chemistry. Also, the visuals were bomb and hilarious!

What about Bran once he fell from the window. Bran got weaker the further he was from Summer and only recovered once summer entered the room. If Bran did flee into Summer after falling from the tower, then Jon might be able to last a long time in wolf without decaying.

Jon is in Ghost since 8 years now - this will be too late to get him out! ;-)

Perfect timing on the releasing of these videos.

if you remember the one scene tormund say jon snow die for the wildlings, similar like jesus. wonder if jon will be die for 3 days too?

It would be interesting if Lady Stoneheart acts as a sort of precedent for Jon's return. I mean, the northern lords might not believe that Jon died and was brought back because of the sheer absurdity of it all, but it they meet with the walking corpse of Catelyn before that.... It could also serve as a sort of chalange for the ressurected Jon, having on one side the people that see him as a form of messiah but on the other side you have those that fear him as a second Stoneheart

Ghost as Jon's Soul jar-Quinn and Dave-you nailed it. And you're right This story is going to be gnarly once GRRM finishes Winds Of Winter. I still think Melisandre may sacrifice herself so Jon fulfills the prophecy. (use the breath /the fire of life resurrection. She may offer herself up instead of Shireen to ensure Jon becomes Azor Ahai). You may be right about Ghost the Wolf is sacrificed. A Jon/Ghost POV sounds light he'll level up as a warging fire/ice wight. juicy... served bloody and rare. PS: Quinn, I ordered your book. Can't wait to read it. Dave. Looking forward to reading your graphic npvel. Sorry about those inked pages were ruined. That sux!

I cannot get enough of these style videos. Excellence by you two.

Can the others testing Waymar have anything to do with the fact that the Royces are direct descendants of First Men, like the Northmen, and have had several marriages throughout history with the Stark's "special" blood" (plus he had an amazing well made sword, but it broke)? Maybe the Walkers felt something special, alongside his brave behavior, like they did afterwards, when they possibly tested... Benjen. But what if instead they were trying to attract...Robb Stark? Maybe they captured Benjen to provoke a response and drive Robb north, like Osha said Robb should do, but he drove his sword into a lion's heart (Tywin), and so it broke. So now... a sacrifice and Azor Ahai shall be "reborn". Just a wacky theory. Don't care as much for the story focused on AA cuz I just want to be surprised by whatever/who comes but seemed kind of an interesting parallel

I've said it before and I'll say it again...you guys make the best colabs ever. You compliment each other so well! Neither try to over talk the other, ect. 10 out of 10!

Wonder if a bit of Bloodraven may end up in Jon as well. Remember the line about ALL the ravens having a shred of the singers in them. If Bloodraven has been warging Ghost, we may very well get a bit of him in this spiritual blender.

I’m being honest when I say this; this is, in my opinion, the BEST videos for WOW! I wish you guys would do more on WOW. Maybe a dual breakdown of the released sample chapters. I’d LOVE to hear your predictions on it!!

Rewatching this podcast , david. I remember somewhere Jon reflecting that Summer was the one who saved him. And he was reflecting if a piece of bran is still there in summer, is forshadowing his own ghost in ghost. G👻 ^2

I think he'll be resurrected by Green magic as Blood raven gave him the Azor Ahai dream for a reason

I'd like to see that. Jon coming back with white hair and red eyes like Ghost. I just don't want Ghost to have to die for it to happen...😢

Before the final battle I want Jon to have the black Valyrian Steel Armor and say it fitted Euron who was a taller man but to Jon it felt like it was made for him. With a crown of Valyrian Steel with 8 swords, 8 obsidian jewels and Runes of the First Man inscribed in it looking not like the Winter Kings of old but the first of the New Kings of the Dawn.

A more aggressive wolf John might opt to destroy the wall for some reason in a moment of crazy wolfyness.

We will get edge lord Jon in POV

I think the Queen's Men will sacrifice Shireen to bring _Stannis_ back to life (Monster having either been saved by the Wildlings or revealed as a fake by Mel). But the ritual will be phrased for Azor Ahai and they'll get Jon instead.

Tormund was stabbed while being glamoured as Jon

Great job hitting all the most anticipated concepts from TWoW and this is surely near the top for myself and many others , in terms of Jon's resurrection. Excellent ideas as always , the semantics with the resurrection are certainly up for debate , will it be Fire or Ice magic that reanimates him ? both are in close proximity and both candidates , as suggested given Jon's location in the ice cells not only does that preserve him but becomes possible for the Others to control JS' body (most likely temporarily) , Greenseer magic is also a possibility as mentioned we just have not been given resurrection evidence via that specific medium. The main determining factors will be how long in-between his death and resurrection since we know that is significant , which exact magic does it and the unprecedented element of a warg being resurrected (including how long being in Ghost). Interesting stuff , i liked the mention of Jon who is the embodiment of the ASoIaF concept if somehow he comes sort of a fire wight / ice wight hybrid or an ice body with fiery animation. So many ways it can go , I do think Jon will leave the NW post-resurrection , might be one of the few things the show got right , perhaps via Stannis' authority or Robb's will or just of his own volition. Although the show certainly got wrong the lack of personal change with Jon's resurrection , we see all instances of such occurrences there is a cost and alteration , for us its just not clear how much with the amount of time , type of magic, being a warg / warging into Ghost and even being kept in an ice cell variables factor in. I do think there will be a physical change , possibly the white hair mentioned or even red ices but personality wise from either the time elapsed , the manner and / or the interim warging i do expect a more wolfish Jon. Which could manifest as more ruthless , harsh , driven , aggressive, more alpha and even more protective of his pack. Eagerly awaiting to see how this concept plays out in the books.

Robin Hobb had a great take on that issue (preserving human consciousness in a wolf) in her Farseer Trilogy (spoiler, but the books have been out for over 20 years) - the main character is saved from prison and potential execution by connecting with his wolf via that universe's version of warging, dying, being buried, and then having the wolf release the consciousness back into the body (can't remember the details of how it was done, it's been a while) - but what I remember, is that afterward he had to spend a substantial amount of time learning back how to be a human, basically.

If Jon temporarily goes whight, and then resurrects, he may come back with some insider knowledge, like why they're doing what they're doing, how to pacify them, what their weaknesses are, etc..

It might be that Stark Blood prevents the loss of sentience that Ice-Magic resurrection entails. Would explain Benjen.

RE: Sword lighting. Aemon left a book for Jon. A passage marked describing the characteristics of the flaming sword of Azhor. Does Beric's sword have heat? We know that Stannis' does not.

Very cool. Thanks guys. Nice one.

This is actually really interesting I haven't really thought about how Jon will come back. I do wander if his potential chapter titles will be like Theon when he becomes Reek and essentialy lost his identity but when he found himself and discovered who he really is his chapter titles went back to being Theon and I believe the same will be with Arya when she figures out who she is.

Woo! Thanks guys!

I love the idea of Ghost merging inside John after his resurrection (if Ghost’s body has to be sacrificed that is). John would be very difficult to out maneuver if he has Ghost literally sharing his scents and intuitions.

Ion with white hair and red eyes! I love it! Great video y’all!!

Imagine is when Jon is resurrected, he has white hair, and red eyes like Ghost! That'd be awesome!

This has been an amazing series good job Quinn

Bran's vision of the blue crystal Wall and Jon in a cold bed could refer to the ice structures (caves?) under the Wall that were used as prison cells. It is quite possible that his body was placed in one of them after his death which would preserve his body better for resurrection and he wouldn't end up like Lady Stoneheart.

Jon's death is similar to Robb's death. Robb's last words are 'Grey wind'

love the idea of him getting the Greenseer resurrection and just being a little bit part of the weirwood-net? the occasional “huh, that dream felt more prophetic than usual”

Only death can pay for life. What are the odds of Jon being resurrected without Ghost being sacrificed to do so ? Ghost would still live on in Jon so that would be the saving grace.

I wish this episode was a hour!! Jon is my boy!!! They took Ned and Robb from us they can’t kill Jon off for good it would crush me... I still remember reading Jon’s death the first time. Tears started to form then at the end I tossed my paperback version to my gf and said “f**k this book” lol. I was legit angry at George for a couple of months and just knew he was dead dead until theories started popping up about him coming back. I’ve been holding on to those theories for 8 years now lol

I love the idea of Jon's hair turning white like a Targaryen. I hadn't thought of that

Yeessss this is the best video! I am convinced Jon will be rezzed with a combo of all three systems; Green, Fire and Ice. The watch will attempt to burn his body but Mel will do some fire sorcery, Bran will Greenseer from afar and the Ice resurrection will play a part. Jon will rise from the flames with wolfy vengeance, fire and ice in his eyes.

You guys are hanging in person now? Awesome u guys put out my favorite stuff together or separate.

"Could he be the frozen one?" Underrated line.

My theory is that jon is not dead yet, his link with ghost will keep him alive but in a sort of coma, like the way summer kept Brann alive, then the problem will be to fix his body while jon wargs into ghost, he will probably be stuck in there way too long and when they fix his body jon will probably be a lot more wild and wolf-like, I don't think he will become a fire zombie

I'm expecting a Lightbringer forging scene when Jon's brought back.

Whatever happens to Jon, I just hope that he'll still be Jon at heart.

So, listening to 16:05 I have this idea. We know that one of the biggest differences of the books and the show is the Night King, how this impersonal threat that are the others are presented as the opposite, an individual threat because of the Night King. But what if, just for the sake of theorising, is Jon the one that fullfiles that rol? The biggest opositor to the others plan, converted to one of them. Most probably not gonna happend, but is a interesting idea.

I know I’ve mentioned it once before but I am stuck on this thought that there will be fire magic playing some part in Jon being resurrected and along with being wolffish he will also begin to show signs of his dragon half. Maybe even begin having dragon dreams. Somehow his Targaryen side will reveal itself upon his resurrection and that will help him believe when he’s told about his true parentage.

Hi guys! I love your WOW Predictions. I hope you are going to make one about Sansa, Littlefinger and all the story in the Vale of Arryn. It could be interesting. Keep doing great! Thank you!