Nicolas Cage mowing down the soldiers is supposed to be a serious moment but somehow he makes it hilarious between his screaming and the gun that apparently never needs to be reloaded.
Look, I really do apprechiate the genuine size of this Battle Scene, the number of extras, the presence of so much genuine WW2-equipment and the seeming emphasis on doing as much as possible in-camera without much CGI... ...but in a post-"Saving Private Ryan"/"The Thin Red Line"-era, this feels weirdly outdated. Less like a genunine WW2-movie and more like an over-the-top John Woo-directed Action Flick that _happens to be set during WW2._
Could’ve just sent Nicholas Cage by himself. He would’ve won the battle on his own. Also, his machine gun never runs out of ammo, which is an advantage.
This movie is one we need need to remake. The title is "Windtalkers"; I want to know more about the Windtalkers and less whatever Nicolas Cage is. Redo the movie and start to finish be about them. What it's like to be living on a reservation in the 30's and 40's, the motivation for why they signed up, what happened to them after the war. They deserve a better movie.
Fleming Begaye Sr. one of the 400 Navajo code talkers in the Marines, born in Red Valley, in 1921, died in Chinle, Arizona on May 10th, 2019. Now only seven code talkers remain. ~ IMDb
@@ruthlessmofo Nope-----likely nobody will be talking in the next great conflict. And you may want a new tribe anyway----because our enemies would suspect this language?
@@dednianterimikate5082 Guessing they went to families that were very happy to see them-----just like always happens to us returning veterans. But I got back to work 2 days after getting out of the service-----and that's pretty much what happens. You return to 'normal' life---no parades like in the Movies.
I didn’t know much about the Navajo talkers until this movie. Afterwards, I did some research and it makes for interesting history. Deep respect to the Navajo talkers. They had been treated poorly by the US Government and people in general, yet their contribution is under appreciated. IIRC, the Japanese never learned the Navajo language.
@@baddreams0919 Native Americans were treated the worst, near genocide, broken treaties, stolen land. But no one talks reparations for them, even if, it won't happen.
Why do they always use V-type engine sounds when portraying radial engined planes? Also, those Hellcats at 1:20 are WAY too low to be dropping their bombs. Dropping your bombs from that low always results in getting blown up yourself.
I agree, hellcats are dive bombers and that means that they need to be dropping bombs at least 1000 meters above grounds, correct me if I'm not wrong though, those hellcats are doing a different attack called glide bombing, however, when doing a glide bombing, the planes should always have their nose slightly upward within 900 meters above ground to avoid getting damaged by shrapnel or avoid getting caught up in the explosion of a 500 pound bomb
When this movie came out, my grandfather decided he would go and watch it with me in the theaters, or tried to I should say. He was in the 1st Marine Division during the war, and although his unit wasn't on Saipan, he attributed it immediately when this scene started to the carnage and tenacity they had faced on Peleliu and he got up and ran out of the theater with tears in his eyes. I've never felt so much guilt in my life than to have put him through that. He had never told me much about what he had experienced in the Pacific, other than the fact he had been there, but that was proof to me that he had seen the gates of Hell with his own eyes.
I know the feeling, unfortunately. Although I served in Iraq. I could watch war movies with no problem. But any war movies on Iraq, I can’t do it. It takes me back to some dark times. Please tell your Grandfather welcome home and thank him for serving our great nation!
My grandad made the landing the 4th division and was seriously wounded. He wasn’t alive to see the modern war classics like BoB, Saving Private Ryan, etc. I often wonder what he would think ab them when I am watching them.
Glad that this is a Hollywood battle. Really??? Exposed Japanese positions when the American's have Air Superiority is a joke. I'd a pounded the exposed positions with low level bombers and artillery to minimize Marine casualties. Someone in Hollywood (more dramatic effect) thought it would be neat to do a San Juan Hill type attack (Roosevelt's famous charge in Spanish-American War) over open ground up at hill against machine guns and artillery. The Japanese by that stage of the war were in hardened bunkers and pretty immune from anything but direct hits by shell and bombs. The Marines had to dig them out (literally) with flamethrowers, grenades, and direct artillery fire (and tanks). Even then it was a great loss of life for both sides. Two of my Great Uncles were in several of these battles (Marines) in the Pacific. The only things they ever said was it was bloody and they didn't want to talk about it.
Very good observation about how this attack scene went. Saipan did have some exposed fortified positions, but was the last major battle to truly have them. By the battle of Peleliu, the Japanese started strictly fighting from caves and hidden positions to fight a war of attrition.
This is a Hollywood movie. What can you expect from a Hollywood movie? Hollywood can do anything impossible to possible. Besides there are many gullibles who wants to believe in invincibility.
@@JohnJohn-pe5kr Saving Private Ryan AND Band of Brothers were both directed by the same man, Steven Spielberg. Spielberg has always put accuracy at the forefront of his World War II collection (BoB, SPR, The Pacific), and he based most of his work off of actual biographies and inputs from real war veterans. Windtalkers was a Hollywood movie, with the directors more concerned about action and sales than realism and a history.
0:50 Really have to give props to the stuntman in this shot, he did a backflip into a 10 foot deep pit and went back first onto a solid wooden crate. Looked like he ate the whole thing too
What could you expect from John Woo. The guy almost single handedly destroyed the Mission Impossible Franchise with his cartoonish take on the series. His career in Hollywood was pretty much over after that "realistic" war drama.
@@DeosPraetorian I'm a total fan of the Mission Impossible franchise and the number 2 (so appropriately numbered...) was, by far, the worst. Not a disaster but for the MI a total dud.
@@Dandan-vf9kr they all were soldiers that were ordered to be there. both sides. I'm sure both would rather be someplace else and let the fat lazy leaders battle it out hand to hand so they themselves would be the one's suffering.
Respect to any allied nation that fought the Japanese. The British fought the Japanese in the far east Burma, Malaya and took back Singapore and Hong Kong.
@@michaelmurray7199 yeah and its actually cool, because many stuart were used in pacific rather than europe since the japanese didnt have many anti tank weapons
After listening to With The Old Breed, Memoirs of Eugene Sledge, the SGTs Rampage should not be viewed as merely a Hollywood Scene, but a Veteran Marine who is getting "Even" with the Japanese who killed his Marine Brothers. As said by Eugene Sledge himself, " I thought to myself, the more of those Japs I can KILL the BETTER it's gonna be and I Have and Never Will Have Any Compassion for Any of Em ".
I knew America had some great weapons, but I'm super impressed by the hand grenades that cause gigantic fireballs while also causing slow-motion and dramatic music.
It's impressive but it's 1944 tech. Also the US had a perk called infinite ammo. The Japanese were very jealous. Most of them didn't even have one bullet. All they could do was run screaming towards the US soldiers to get mowed down with no pain. FUn fact, Japanese soldiers never get wounded. Always killed straight.
Nicolas Cage fires the first Thompson sub-machine gun with a 1,000 round magazine and wins the Pacific War all on his own coz everyone else is just looking at him and not fighting at all!
@@UppedOne Minus the inaccuracy the Thompson was actually preferred over the M1 Carbine in the Asiatic Pacific theatre, The M1 Carbine fired a pistol caliber round similar to that of the .357 magnum but the .45 ACP can knock down a Japanese soldier in an instant
Hundreds of men killed charging the hills when they just call in the navy and blast the crap out of the Japanese..A bit like the scene from the "Longest Day" where loads of French commandos are killed only for a tank to pop up and destroy the hotel in two shots.
the hundreds of men hold the line so the tank can get close enough to destroy the hotel. Infantry support is important in war, without the infantry we would not be able to push any objective
I mean, we don't see hundreds killed here. Some got killed, some got wounded - probably up to 50 people hit, at least in this particular scene. It feels like a lot, but is actually not a big number comparatively.
I really don't understand the hate of this movie. Like. It's not the first Hollywood War film to have war inaccuracies like clip size And it sure as hell not gonna be the last. Nicolas cage will always be Nicolas Cage but didn't think it was a bad war movie 🤷♂️
It’s not a war movie, it’s an action movie set during a war. John woo’s “unique” directing makes this movie, that was supposed to be a homage to the duties of the Navajo Code Talkers turn into a run-n-gun Nicolas Cage parody. It’s almost laughable were it not for the personal bias I had against it of anticipating a movie that does the heroes of the pacific Justice only to be met with this nearly 2 hour joke. Kudos to Roger Willie being the only actual Navajo whose role was relegated to a side character and the main “Indian” actor was Adam Beach, who was also sidelined for the real protagonist, Nicolas Cage. 💀and that’s just the casting and directing choice, technicalities aside the whole shooting location doesn’t make sense as the landings of Saipan were for the most part unopposed, with resistance being met inland on fortified ridges and hills or over sprawling farm plains during a nighttime counter offensive by the Japanese. The latter half of the movie(the elimination of the Japanese guns) looks more accurate, even though it resembles the American southwest than a pacific island. The whole movie was pack full of the most mundane war cliches that couldn’t even afford a chuckle for the sake of irony. It’s a sad movie, and here I am rewatching this scene and probably going to rewatch it again in a few months 😂
I'm am an Filipino, born in Saipan I am so so surprised that they have made a movie all about my islands history. And yes we have the closest beaches and it only takes 2 minutes to go at😂❤.
Yes, this movie is unrealistic. Yes, its not historically accurate. Yes, it can be really ridiculous at times. But dammit, this is still a pretty kick ass John Woo action film. I mean really, what else would expect from the same guy who directed Hardboiled and Face Off
I miss the old days where everyone just enjoy the damn MOVIE, now we got super elite mr history war expert that keep crying and whining like a baby because its not ReAlisTic! waaaah
Realism wise, you could feel the intention of making you see that the film isnt trying to glorify the US (this scene at least) but just to show how scary and violent war is.
I feel like we were spoiled for choice back in the early 2000's for war movies. Windtalkers wasn't considered a good movie in comparison to Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers, but watching this clip it doesn't seem that bad. The battle scenes look good, no CGI, the extras look good, working tanks, artillery pieces, everything seems pretty real. The acting wasn't very good but I can tell they were at least trying to make a real effort for realism.
The .50 calibers would have splattered them much more than what was shown. It's as if they were hit by .22 rounds instead. Not quite a realistic portrayal but it's Hollywood. The bombs also would have made a bigger bang.
I love this movie but I do think they should have taken the realistic approach and done what saipan was actually like. A slow slog to a platue until Sherman armor landed to replace the LAV's with there thin armor and 37mm gun. But ww1 style charges do look cool
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This movie got a lot of bad attention, but I genuinely loved it as a kid, probably still though, because the scale of these scenes are just insane. Of course, there are many flaws, one of them being of course Nick Cage in the movie, and inaccuracies like unlimited ammo (tho he does reload a few times in the movie which I appreciate), but for the rest, the soundtrack, effects and sounds are amazing
Famed actor Lee Marvin was a GI at the Saipan landing and action. He was known for wryly saying "A Purple Heart [ribbon medal] is actually something you really don't want to get because of how you qualify for it."
Scout Sniper actually and Marine, He starred in dozens of classic movies like The Dirty Dozen with Donald Sutherland and Emperor Of The North, Army GIs and Marines fought side by side on Saipan
Nic Cage: "Wait, how many rounds do I fire? What? That's not nearly enough; I have to cycle between fear, joy, anger, and then back to anger-joy...it's gonna take some time. Scriptwriter: *empties authentic clip into head*
Those scene were important to portray that the Japanese set up their main line further back from the landing point and the Americans were funneling through the valley which was under constant Japanese enfilade Artillery fire.
i mean, if they had just given Nick a drum magazine, this scene would be a lot more believable lol. a 30 round mag will be expended in about 4 seconds of full auto, he would have used up all his ammo there to kill 4 or 5 guys
In the opening act on the Solomons (that he flashbacks to) he did have a 1928a1 with a drum mag. It's like the special effects dept. didn't figure out that smaller mag means less ammo 🤦♂️🤷♂️
Windtalkers was a fantastic piece of Native American history it is hard to imagine that there are many native Americans who haven’t watched it yeah it is pretty outdated and the complete lack of reloading it’s still a pretty good movie and fantastic to learn about the history of a ethnicity that’s been in America for over 18 thousand years possibly more and given how long it took us to advance in technology today just imagine what technology’s they made over 20 thousand years ago after humans existing for between 10 - 50 thousand years already I got conflicting results with how long our species has existed one documentary said 70 thousand years others said 30 thousand regardless my point is I love learning about history also the amount of effort they put into removing the history of the Native American slave owners is annoying
Folks, hand grenades never produced THAT MUCH fire!! Pineapple and Mills bomb grenades typically just made a POOF, and flung shrapnel in all directions! But those grenades put the atom bomb to shame! 🙄🤥🤔🤯
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we have Nick Cage wielding what is essentially the gangster version of the Thompson (I've heard a few saw combat, but I don't know how accurate that is) instead of the military version and he's wielding it in the same manner that a gangster would (spray and pray from the hip). However, he also using the military style stick magazine instead of the drum magazine while firing off so many rounds between reloads that he would absolutely need to have the drum. Also, kind of a goofy mediocre feel to the whole scene because of the acting. This was... entertaining? I guess?
Why strap flamethrowers on vulnerable men when you can put them on shells you can lob! Flamethrower shells were totally a thing!... just don't look it up...
I’ve never seen this movie but this scene was cool to watch. My grandpa was in the 4th Marines and fought on Saipan and then received a Purple Heart when he was shot on Iwo Jima.
