Winter Range Test | Honda E 

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@@IanSampsonRLO Supplied by VW ?

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Cheers Chris, its very comfortable place to be!

Thanks for following along Ian!

Yeah that would be awesome...I would be a happy man. Imagine this thing with 200-250 mile range. EPIC.

Usual German biased car media means the poor E is basically DOA.

That's what I'm hoping for 😃 I'll be changing my car in around 2,5 years and I'm hoping for Honda to improve this in the E 😄

The Fiat 500e is shorter and narrower than the Honda, but has a 42kWh battery pack. Surely nothing holding back Honda from adding an extra 30% to the battery. Their internal research must be showing that range is the most off-putting aspect of the car.

I would love a button that would allow you to access the actual potential of this car (35.5kwh instead of the 28.5 allowed). Looking forward to summer to see what it does then. Prob 100-120. Merry Christmas!

Yeah its very neatly laid out! Charging this time appeared to be free, not sure how long for though.

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Thanks Nick!

Its all good...I mean when they make a car that will do 80 miles in winter they are asking for this. Good job its got a 100,000 mile / 8 year warranty.

Correct! In terms of range about 15-20 miles more (due to them not allowing access to a whopping 7kwh mind) - every where else its incredibly well thought out

Hows it going?

Thanks 👍 Have a good Christmas!

Thanks for the kind words. I have nothing to hide with these reviews - I mean its mine, I bought it so just reporting my findings (without trying to be intentionally supportive or negative - negative has been for years the first port of call for any 'normal' motoring journalist reviewing EVS (not saying I am a journalist either!). Its certainly a fun car, and that I can't get past, its a massive hoot to drive and is fun each and every time I get in it - will it wear off over the next 47,000 miles....we shall see - thats the point of the reviews (along with to see what faults if any rear their head). Honda were quoted that they certainly had no immediate plans for increasing the battery size in the Honda E as it was design intentionally as a city car. If true I hope they mean 12-24 months when they say 'immediate' lol. This thing is ripe for having full on performance version, the rear end is setup for it. At 152bhp this thing is already really powerful and with 50/50 weight distribution it handles really well. Imagine a 350bhp version, its would be simply outstanding (especially if that would coupled with double the range). This is a brilliant review (not on functionality but on design aspect) by Frank Stephenson: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iere3DPQhkg.html

I do have a set of rode micro mics that might do though rather than bringing the studio sennheiser G4's (trouble is they are actually much better so it would bug me). It might actually be better to get just the gopro9 attachment which allow an ext mic to be attached...but I am not going to spend to much time trying to make it perfect - this channel certainly doesnt have the income to support even more time devoted to production quality, its supposed to be done on the fly. (for the usual production quality checkout: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yggx-Qeq3qA.html - part of a mini series we did) Let me know how you get on with the ID3! Whens it coming? PS - the jumper......what can I say ha ha

Will you go the the ZE50 route? or just holding on for now?

@@IanSampsonRLO Well, we don’t really need two cars but we have a big dog. I could get an MG5 but I’d really like to get rid of one car and just have a Model Y but that’s nearly as bad as waiting for the vaccine 👍

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Thanks!

Mine is around £200 per year so pretty reasonable!

4 in the car would hit range further, maybe at a guess knock another 10 miles off the range (4 big blokes).

Yes fine in the dark. Depends how you drive it, I hoon the thing about so get around 2.5-2.8

Yeah if you pinch point is range, and range at 150 upwards on a single charge then this is certainly not the car for you!

Totally depends on usage and design - Honda have said from the very start that this is only a city car, despite this I have been using it rurally (just hit 10,000 miles - see: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zy1vesbigG8.html ) and have had no issues. Now if you want to do 320 miles a day in winter (a one way trip of 160 miles to work for example) then that would in mean in the middle of that journey each way you would need to stop of 1.5hrs to charge in each direction. This car is not meant for long journey (although I do have followers that seem to use it for that!)

3.1kwh p/mile from mem

Yeehaaww!

90 miles in winter seems even worse than the worst reviews...can u confirm that??

@@andrew798 how do you expect me to confirm it?

@@OldManTheseDays i mean...u made others and multiple tries and everytime you did 90 miles or maybe sometimes you had better results??

@@andrew798 pretty simple really. The colder the temperature, the lower the range I see when it’s fully charged. On the coldest day last year (I think it was 2 degrees C), the range was 88 miles at 99% battery. You’re going to have to take my word for it because I’m not going in to any more detail.

I’ve just called the Honda dealership today and he said he only got 75miles in his at winter!

I think they might hit a £10k or lower price point for 200 miles in 5-10 years. Only need something like a Dacia (ICE being £5999) and the market for Cheap EV's will be on fire. (Mind you even with that in mind I would miss the superior comfort and gadgets that are present on the Honda.....but then I suppose I could bath in the £15,000 I would save ha ha).

@@IanSampsonRLO I don't really know much about the tech involved in the Honda E so I'll look forward to your vlogs on that! Good luck

Thanks. Yeah if range is the primary / overriding factor and that range has to be more than 80 miles (per charge) in winter then this wont be for you.

UK houses are commonly single phase (industrial is 3 phase), so home charger at mine is single phase. As for the 'public' charger in this video, I am certainly no expert, but found this short paragraph that hopefully helps....but left me slightly confused lol, as it appears its AC and DC....so cant quite answer your question - I assume in theory the charger could be then providing both AC AND DC oddly? "Combined Charging System, or CCS, is a competing rapid DC charging standard designed by Germany vehicle manufacturers. The CCS connection combines the inlets for AC and DC using shared communication pins, so the vehicle coupler is formed of a Type 2 plug with 2 DC pins below. When AC charging, only the top part of the inlet is used. The 2 DC pins are normally covered. When using the CCS system, the larger coupler uses the whole inlet. CCS is capable of charging vehicles at 80-350 kW. "

@@IanSampsonRLO That is only explanation how CCS is working and what it is... It is not talking about AC charger... One way you might figure out is to look at bigger pins in a upper socket. Do all have metal on them or not. Are button 2 without. If so it is 1 phase for sure. If they have it it might be 3 phase...

Interesting.....video to follow!

Yeah as per video if range and price are pinch points in the purchase decision this is NOT a car for the buyer in question. My brand NEW Zoe 41kwh fully owned (not battery rental) was just £16k + £250 for reversing camera. (Although, even at that, people complain its expensive compared to an ICE! Cant win!). But - this Honda is a feature rich car, with some commenting the range is not an issue to them, nor price - they love the look and the tech and it suits their needs. Cheap EV it ain’t!

@@IanSampsonRLO my Zoe was metallic black so cost a little more. I sold it to a dealer in July for £13600 so over three years and 20k miles it lost £4k. Given that fuel and servicing costs were negligible it cost way less than a Clio would have over the same period. I reckon leasing would have been about three times the cost of outright purchase because it assumed high depreciation at the time. I had a convertible prior to the Zoe and missed it so much I have bought an SLk, a bit of a pain buying petrol instead of just plugging in at home but I love it.

I hope (maybe with no hope lol) that in the future they will simply do an over the air update that allows a 'get me home button' or something to allow you to tap into that massive extra 7kwh.

Not 100% sure around 1 mile approx I would guess.

Range I agreee with, as for the infotainment I have not experienced and slowness or poor quality.

We sure do! Videos will come at some point when they hit some milage milestones. Env200 almost on 45,000 now. Zoe is something like 33,000 I think

@@IanSampsonRLO Good man - keep it up !! We are on Leaf Gen1 and Zoe 40.. Looking to get e-nv200 when we have a little more cash. love your videos btw.

@@3dmotormaker awesome!

Nice!

Yeah the bolt looks like and sounds like a bargain from what I have heard (not available here) - whats the on the road price for that model?

@@IanSampsonRLO It was listed at $43k plus on the sticker. They played games with numbers and it worked out to be $26k plus registration, taxes etc So about $28k for my areas taxes and fees.

Yeah big disappointment - forums say get it swapped out - many have. Probs be will to be honest. Mine goes after ~1 min.

In what regard? I assume you mean range? If so then no, just ~20 miles. In terms of everything else a big leap from the 24kwh Leaf (Comfort, tech, charging etc etc)

@@IanSampsonRLO Sorry yes I mean range. I know the Honda is intended for local trips but owners will go on a longer run every now and then. A friend had a first generation leaf and drove from Staines to Stansted airport and only just made it to my place 15 miles away from Stansted. plugged it in on the granny charger and put some much needed charge back in. that was 2011. Things like range should have moved on since then.

In today’s “liquid state batteries”, a liquid or polymer gel is what connects a battery’s cathode and anode and completes the battery’s internal circuit. A solid state battery is one that uses a solid material to do the same thing. Solid electrolytes were studied in the 1800s, and solid state batteries and designs have been developing since the 1950s. The main barrier to solid state battery adoption is its cost relative to today’s best lithium ion designs. We can build them with EV capable sizes (Bollore built its BlueCar with a 30kWh lithium ion polymer battery using a polymeric electrolyte in 2011) but there’s a reason Bollore runs its cars in larger scale car sharing schemes and doesn’t (as far as I know) sell them to individuals (yet?).

Its compounded by the fact that all makers quote a range figure thats higher than you can really get as well! I mean they state on the Honda E 134 miles....well its 80 in winter. I think they should quote range at 0c and all customers pretty much would be pleasantly surprised at the 30-50% more range they get!

Almost depending on your pattern of driving. Work for me is 6 miles one way, so with 12-20 miles per day not really an issue. Will see what the road trips bring, when we are allowed!

@@IanSampsonRLO The sooner the better my friend

@@parowkowywadca3390 agree!

ha ha, I had to forgive Amy for buying me it so would think they will....

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Or you could get the Zoe much cheaper (I got my brand new 41kwh Zoe for £16k - does ~180 in summer and ~150 in winter - and charged on economy 7 its around ~£2.50 for a charge).

The look, the rammed full of features / tech and the handling are amazing. The range not so.

@@IanSampsonRLOi'm watching this video again as will be test driving Honda E next week. I'm going to keep it for 48h so can test the range in slightly warmer condition. What's the best range you manage get from this car so far?

Wrong nose...

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I have done this exact thing in the storms with have been having with no issue. But then, I have another 46,000 miles to keep trying that one out in real life.

Perspective ultimately, but yes, in terms of purely money for range - yes. (but of course its no really the right formula with this car).

Yeah briton is notoriously warm.

Plenty of useable EV’s out there. It depends what you mean by usable, for example my Renault Zoe 41kwh is more the adequate for the majority of drivers. The Honda on the other hand not so much so - its more niche and unique

Would be amazing if it did 200 miles.

@@IanSampsonRLO Maybe a new one will come out with a 50+kw battery soon

City the milage is 100+ which means pretty useful. Rural (like me) its more challenging, but keep in the loop (subscribe if you haven’t already!) as loads of miles to be covered in a short space of time, which will answer if its useful. It’s actually the recharge time that counts quite a lot in the equation. If it really could charge at claimed 100kw - that would be mental, approx to 80% in just 15 mins ish...but yet to be seen!

Heating is where the usage comes from (second to propulsion of course)

Does Honda e have heat pump ? As heard cars with heat pump make only 2-3 % difference on range on or off . On the Zoe we leave heating on 22-23 c on auto all the time so since it’s got cold . If headlights are led it won’t make next to nothing different.

In terms of range absolutely, approx 10-15 miles more. (In terms of quality and abilities - not including range - its far superior), very tightly put together car.

@@IanSampsonRLO agreed. I meant in terms of range - I am a big Honda fan generally.

@@peterowen4456 yeah range is on par with 30kwh leaf 🍁

From my calculations its around 81 😂

1. Small and compact. 2. Small boot (sorry trunk) 3. Low range 4. Not a V8 pickup ha ha

@@IanSampsonRLO I need an honest 100 mile range at 0 degrees C at highways speeds. It's a pretty modest request. The rest of the Honda E fits my requirements nicely - I'd like a small, reasonably priced, stylish rear wheel drive EV. My LEAF with a 55-ish mile range under those conditions provided a few nail biting experiences. I was fortunate enough to have a charger at the 45 mile destination point. When the lease was up, the car went back - it was a great little car, just not a good enough little car.

Its a fun little beast 😛

Each to their own. Works for lots of peeps and lots it doesnt. Had a blast since 2014 saving on ye olde fuel bills. Even more so of late with huge price hikes!

Very true, think daily average is around 30 miles.

I am having a guess here, but you dont like this car do you? ha ha

What is it that you thinks the issue and might be able to answer

Contractor Safety Checklist (which is basically just a fancy term for electrical safety for anything running off mains electricity), i.e. electricity and water shouldn't mix. Ok, I presume the procedure is such one isn't supposed to handle these connections when the power is on, but there doesn't seem to be anything preventing someone from touching them when it is. In which case I think even an IP67 rating doesn't guarantee the splash water on the outside isn't electrified. Just looks like a dangerous situation to me, not just from a shock hazard, but also from a liability point of view. I work in this field and I really, *REALLY* wouldn't want to the be the one who signed his name on that charger's certificate and, thus, basically, said: "Yup, that's fine".

From my understanding nothing is live (of any significant voltage at least) until the ‘handshake’ is complete between the onboard charger and the unit on the forecourt/wall at home.