Or even showcase past classics, perhaps through theatrical events, park events, and streaming. They can't do that. Their most treasured work is now considered 'problematic' at the Iger and Disney Company. It also risks making their current output look terrible by comparison.
@@jeremy__hopkinsThey were the same animators too, so at one point they had done something genius. Plus, the recycled animation isn’t much different from the recycled character designs and computer models we keep seeing over and over and over. It’s madness to honestly compare current Disney animation to the best of their hand-drawn or the best of Pixar. Eric doesn’t do much outside special projects, and some of us know the whole story.
They were already on a budget after the end of the 1950s. *Alice in Wonderland* and *Sleeping Beauty* didn’t make money, which led to the first round of budget cuts to the animation department that came back to haunt the studio, and TV turned their short cartoons into occasional events. Not only that, but theme parks and live-action film and television production were taking up more of Walt’s time. *Robin Hood* was the wake-up call to start restoring those budget cuts. The recycling really started in earnest when Walt was alive with *Goliath II,* which actually got an Oscar nomination despite reusing shots from *Dumbo* and other bits of pre-1960 animation. Technically, it started when they remade *Orphans’ Benefit* almost word-for-word and shot-for-shot in Technicolor. The last OG Goofy cartoon, *How To Dance,* recycled a hula dancer shot from *Hello, Aloha.* But it started to creep in more towards the end of Walt’s life. Warner Bros. did it, too. The last appearance by Witch Hazel during the DePatie-Freleng era reuses business from *Broomstick Bunny* and *Duck Amuck.* Even *The Simpsons* did it in a 1994 clip show to comment on the process itself.
I remember watching a bit on how the animators learned to make a cape 'flap' as the character turned (I want to say the original Beauty and Beast? Not sure.) The TIME it took that artist to draw ...and then put into the code was in itself a work of art.
@@ceasarsaran8573 You didn't watch it. It's clearly anti-communist. I watched it again. It's good. Those who are trashing this intelligent kid's movie are lying ghouls.
@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388you haven’t even explained how the movie is anti-communist, you just *said* it is. Substantiate your claims , and _maybe_ people will take you somewhat seriously.
People don't speak out because they're afraid of losing their job. What they don't realize is that if a company continues to fail, they may find themselves in the next round of layoffs anyways.
True. They have to speak out. If I were working at Disney who happened to work on this project and it turns out to be the garbage that it’s being presented as, I’m gonna say what I need to say and be completely honest by calling them out on this corporate culture BS. If they fire me, go ahead, they never cared about my talent but the color of my skin and what gender I am which should never matter. Their DEI and ESG agenda within the company has to die, permanently. It’s plaguing every studio and it’s biting them in this ass. For company’s like Disney, they don’t care bc as long as you’re a different skin tone (not white) or sex, having no talent nor experience with animation they’ll take you in as long as you’re useful to them in the long run. Otherwise they’ll throw you under the bus, just like what they did to Nia Acosta (the director of The Marvels). So much for diversity and inclusion.
No. If they speak, they will be fired for creating a hostile work environment "for our Bipoc and LGBT+ employees." They need to be searching for another job with such intensity it qualifies as a second full time job. They need to get out, and on their way out the door tell everyone they're leaving because they want to create real art, not the utter crap that is the signature of Iger's Disney.
A gay Disney employee released a blistering critique of the company about a year or so ago and that was after another one sued them for discrimination after getting passed up for promotion after promotion after nearly 30 years with the company.
I have seen a few reviews of *Wish* and everyone seems confused as to what point the filmmakers were trying to make. Now after hearing what was going on behind the scenes, it is obvious what they were trying to say and it’s stupid. A magician builds a magic kingdom from scratch. People come from all over the world to voluntarily join his kingdom. It runs smoothly for decades. Then a teenage girl with no experience or talent applies to work for the magician. A few minutes into her job interview she decides that he is doing it all wrong and she knows how to fix everything. So, she, along with her diverse friends, throw out the magician and take over his kingdom. Of course the movie ends before you can see what happens as a result of this takeover. But we are seeing how this ends-it ends in bankruptcy.
Disney forgets the rule of thirds and cannot animate a running horse for a 100 anniversary film. Meanwhile, the Japanese can accurately animate the fingers of a guitarist playing rock music for a 12-episode show. Disney hasn't been the gold standard in anything animation for a long time now.
@@jeremy__hopkins the entire point of the video is that you are getting people in these animation positions who do not know what they are doing, and are there to merely check a box, and those that do know what they're doing are getting sidelined for failing to meet the superficial checkbox requirements. And it shows in the work. Unlike the recent spate of Marvel movies, there have been no news or rumors of crunch and deadlines for this movie, no news and rumors of constant re-working. This was really just shoddy work from a staff that is half-filled with people who don't know what they're doing. Especially at the top.
@@jeremy__hopkinsI assume specifically for Wish it was a little bit of both. The activists and inexperienced hired probably hurt the production schedule which was already pretty tight. Also Disney used to work on multiple productions at the same time so it's possible the more competent artists at Disney are working on zootopia 2 or something else.
@@jeremy__hopkins Whether they “forgot” or they just let poor work slide, either way they are culpable. Sorry, if you’re part of the production process and you make a bad product, you are partly responsible. You act as if these great people at the top of the pile are creating great work and the lower level artists just screwed this movie up. Guess what? EVERYONE at the top and the lower level artists are ALL responsible for the end product. Also, you mention that if they weren’t good at their jobs it would have been showing for years. It HAS been showing for years. Disney animation has been getting progressively worse for several years now. The fact that they are your friends doesn’t make them less responsible.
@@scubasteve2189 tbf, 90s Disney was the same way. Plenty of talented people there worked on garbage back then too and it's the same today. A paycheck is a paycheck after all. Ive worked with people from Disney who tell me stories about how productions like Pocahontas were created by their A team with some of their best artists and how that whole production crew had inflated heads about it ( Pocahontas flopped BTW). Meanwhile the B team worked on The Lion King and many of the artists that worked on it thought it was going to be a flop. Turns out it was one of the biggest Disney movies of the 90s. People saying if we just have the best artists they'll make constant gold doesn't hold up to reality.
@@Skitskl33 Sure, but we aren’t talking about a standard of “constant gold” here, we are talking about a standard of “constant worthless garbage”. I can understand not every movie is going to be a timeless classic, but we haven’t even had a GOOD animated movie from Disney for YEARS now. 🤦🏻♂️
“Reminder: We make [stuff] people don’t need…. You should be grateful to your customers, grateful to the people who give you money.“ What a great quote!
I've been involved in a few screenwriting incentives, competitions and seminars over the last few years. I've sat in on seminars and interviews with directors and writers working in the industry. I would say 80% of what was spoken about was the importance of diversity and inclusion in the industry (and in storytelling). 20% was about the importance of stories and how to tell stories that move people. In my experience, competition winners tended to be those with the most labels or who crammed the most labels into their work. Their bios said nothing about a love of stories and storytelling, or even a passion for film. They were only interested in seeing reflections of themselves onscreen and "schooling" (for want of a better word) the audience. Screenwriters are now twisting themselves, their histories and their work to suit this. They're adopting labels and sob stories to try and get their foot in the door and get hired. There's your problem.
+1. My wife has dabbled in fiction writing for the past couple decades. She started attending writing/publishing seminars about 15 years ago. All of the authors/publishers who critiqued her work told her she needed to include more diversity into her characters, and just like you said, they all tried to direct her stories away from my wife's original narrative, into falling more in line with the rubber-stamp DEI narrative instead. They were more interested in "the message" than they were my wife's original thoughts and material. My wife lost interest, and now hasn't written in years. So frustrating for me to watch her dream squashed.
I know exactly how she feels. I hope your wife rediscovers her love of writing again soon. We need storytellers who have their own internal compass and aren't trying to please everyone or lecture their audience @@thumperjdm
I have seen this as well. It started years ago. On the NaNoWriMo forums, people started asking if what they were writing was "offensive" and asking for feedback to fix it. They were telling others that using certain terms were harmful and should be avoided/censored. They were saying how people and publishers wanted unique viewpoints from underrepresented cultures, not more from the Western perspective. I left NaNo years ago and can only imagine it's gotten worse.
Sounds just like competitive high school debate now. All feefees and victim narratives delivered more like hyper emotional slam poetry than logical sound arguments.
This comment about Disney animators that no longer know how to animate a running hose resonated a lot with me when I watched Totoro and saw the cat bus: 10 furry legs moving in beautifully perfect animated motion!! 10 legs!! And this is hand-drawn animation made in Japan in 1988. (If you’ve never seen what I’m talking about search RU-vid for Totoro Cat Bus.) Now in 2023 Disney animators can’t even animate a 4-legged horse.
There's a still I've seen where the goat-thing is standing next to Megan Markle on a balcony railing (or whatever you call it when it's stone). Except you can see that, because the railing is still too thin to have even a small quadruped stand on it, only the very tips of the back two hooves are on the railing. Good animators would have realised this and had the goat in a pose conforming to the limited space it had. But yeah, it's magic, it's a fantasy world, physics doesn't work like that in that world or something. EDIT: the still is the thumbnail for Film Threat's first review of Wish.
ALSO...the original Snow White had the prince riding a horse, not to mention all the animals from the movie...and this was the 30s! Shows just how much they have devolved.
"Castle in the Sky" still blows my mind when they're on the railroad tracks and you see each individual plank of wood collapsing and cartwheeling through the air. Again, 1980's... ... and then Disney made excuse after excuse to not put minecart chases in that insipid DuckTales reboot. Why? We all know why...
Not making excuses for this movie…. But the horse and prince are clearly rotoscoped….. also the animals move like rubber spaghetti….. a better example would be Bambi….. when they clearly studied animals….
Guaranteed that all this DEI/ESG crap will end up satirized in comedy after comedy in just a couple years. Just like the whole political correctness movement was in the early 2000’s.
@@theodenkingofbrohanThat was the purpose of court jesters. They would be the only ones allowed to poke fun at the king and deliver bad news. South Park did this by mocking Disney with the Panderverse. More people in the industry need to be brave enough to do the same.
Because corporate culture allowed it. They want the "woke points", for lack of a better term. The corporate culture at Disney could stop this at any moment if they wanted. A year after Lightyear came out and flopped Disney fired both the director and producer of that film, even though both those people had been with Pixar almost since the beginning.
I think the root problem is authoritarian culture. It kills creativity in the corporate world and the revolutionary world. Both need to control everything to hold their authority over everything and it's impossible to produce a diversity of ideas, to be creative, in that environment.
@@IndridChannel Consolidating and constricting as they are squeezed to death by Boas from foreign markets, much like how American comics went in the face of manga/manhua/manhwa.
@@IndridChannel Did you even read my comment? I’m not distracted by “wokeness”, my thesis is that the corpos had control all along and still do. Corpos don’t have a lot of options when it comes to doing socially conscious things for PR reasons that won’t bite into their profits. Using less paper or plastic will cost them something, but paying lip service to women and minorities costs them nothing.
The film industry in the US needs to become decentralized. It is a danger when one of our biggest exports is culture and our film hub is in one of the most politically polarized parts of the country. The irony is that despite all of the "diversity & inclusion", Hollywood has become more homogeneous than ever, ostracizing any other view or voice and killing any true diversity. The gaming industry has held up better against this ideological push because the studios are far more spread out geographically, and even indie devs can create massive hits out of their bedroom or garage. AI may someday lower the barriers and let small studios pop up all over to compete with Hollywood with a fraction of the manpower and budget. It has to happen.
Society in decline in my opinion, all cultures at there high points art is aloud to explore taboo ideas or different reference points of certain archetypes in stories. Why you shouldn't censor art no matter how offensive.
A lot of people on youtube are already creating content to keep entertained. For exemple, I am French. There is a fictional series on RU-vid named 'Le Visiteur du Futur' on a guy who comes back from an apocalyptic future. The main joke about it is the fact that the smallest thing can bring doom to the world because it creates a chain of events who bring us to that doom. But of course, the first two seasons are completely amateurish. But the two next developped more and more the story along with special effects. And they wrapped it up in a movie with the same name in 2022.
In my generation, conformity was looked at with horror. Now the orthodoxy is so thick, it's virtually impenetrable. Anyone who works in modern day America knows that like hires like. Now, many corporations and Universities are so thoroughly infiltrated that those not in the Orthodoxy rarely make it past the interview process because they don't speak the Orthodox code language. It's so sad to watch the culture descend into these toxic enclaves. Hard to be orthodox and creative at the same time.
In my generation we never wanted to align with government and global organizations. this generation is proud of it. Then again some of the greats from my generation (Rage against the machine) are now mouth pieces for the “Evil Empire”
I recently had to review my manager at work... And one of the questions was "do they celebrate diversity and inclusion" I thought... I wonder if it was a necessity to celebrate Christmas, or Chanukah, if that would be tolerated...
The bullied wimps and participation trophy twat waffles got a taste of power and are now flexing their easily controlled minds to push what needs to be pushed. They are good working drones just like the education system taught them.
@@WinstonSmithGPTwomen were in the workplace long before this current obsession with political conformity. Blaming over half the world’s population for the outlandish actions of a cultish, fanatical, western political ideology is farcical. Ever heard the saying “strong men beget good times, good times beget weak men, weak men beget bad times, bad times beget strong men”? It’s not the fault of women specifically that our culture has become so rotten, it’s the result of good times created by strong people birthing weak, awful people who take everything they have for granted. That’s why this issue is isolated to rich and privileged nations.
This is Bob Iger's legacy, politics over storytelling, skin color and gender antics over talent and high standards, the down fall of art and timeless entertainment. The company does not even recognize Walt Disney in it own history, yet Bob Iger is mentioned all the time...
Don't worry, they'll keep mentioning & recognizing Walt Disney all the time... when his name is useful to "The Brand" Like how *Disney's Riviera Resort* was _"inspired"_ by the designs of hotels that Walt & Lillian visited during their Europe travels in 1930s & 40s... even though this new resort is the most bland & unimaginative Disney resort yet; even when compared to Disney's low-tier "Value" resorts Or how *Cotino, Disney's new new planned town in California,* was "not far from the area where our founder Walt Disney once lived" and the natural landscape was so beautiful "you can see why Walt Disney used to escape to the desert to dream the impossible." Or how *_the new artificial tree_* installed in a new renovation of Mickey’s Toontown at Disneyland was _"inspired_ by the tree a young Walt Disney would daydream under in his hometown"... Or how *_a seasonal holiday drink_* sold at the park was their "rendition of Walt and Lillian Disney’s favorite holiday beverage"... Or how *_cocktails_* sold at a steakhouse in Disney's Contemporary Resort "pay tribute to Walt and Lillian Disney"... I'm not kidding, these are real words from Disney company's press releases. Pretty sick that his name is being used this way.
I had to leave many tech jobs for the same reason. The woke activists had put themselves across HR and even were hired in many director positions they were not qualified for. HR was constantly hiring people not qualified for the various tech positions to meet gender and skin color ratios. It was awful. They also hated productive people with a passion. They absolutely hated hard work and merit. They would talk behind your back, make it difficult for you to get on choice projects and spread lies about you. In the end, they had to lay off 75% of the employees after many years of having these policies. It was so bad to see so many incompetent directors doing nothing and like 1 developer putting the entire project on their shoulders to have any hope of finishing it. Absolute disaster. I can't even imagine spending 300-500k in salaries to oversee a project that 1 person is essentially doing because the other 4 token hires aren't doing anything. And then the directors get on your case for simply trying to do your job because it inadvertently makes the token hires look bad at stand ups and project demos when they aren't doing anything week to week.
It’s happening in ALL production companies, marketing, news, tv show, films… all males out, all experts out, all legacy talents are out. It’s horrible to work in those environments. I’m old school and it’s really difficult to work or even talk with the new directors and creatives…. All do the same, think the same and copy the same exact phrases, ideas and themes…….. creepy.
Knowing that the original concept of the movie was to tell a story about the origins of "When you wish upon a star" is 100% a movie that sounds like a movie worth the celebration of 100yrs.
exactly. I am sure that there are still some creative people in this company, but the whole production process turns everything into the same creatively bankrupt sh*t we get in every Disney project. Even if somebody came up with a good idea, some company policy will demand to "put a chick in it and make her gay" and "adapt for modern audiences"... and the production quality itself will be bad, because they don't know how to make things anymore in terms of pure craftsmanship.
The great thing about Disney was the people who made the movies, Milt Kahl, Ollie Johnston, Frank Thomas who taught their craft to Glen Kean an Andreas Deja. There was a through line of generations which is how the quality of animation was so high up until the 2000’s Now its gig workers and activists.
None of Disney’s famous animators ever went to college for animation, they earned their jobs on raw talent. Now every opportunity is hidden behind an expensive college degree where the best jobs go to the best degree-holders (not the most talented) who have spent 4 years getting their minds rotted with left-wing insanity (which they’ll bring into the workplace)
Activists overthrowing the veterans is what happened in the comic book industry. And look at the downgrade in quality that resulted from that. That explains _a lot..._
Honestly, transformers cartoon animations have had a lot of really impressive bangers. I grew up on Transformers: Prime, and the way they animated the 3D shining metal was so cool, while not sacrificing fluidity and expressive animation. It was fast and snappy, I loved it.
I’m no longer surprised by what Disney considers instrumental enough and important enough to list in their credits sequences, given that they thanked a Chinese concentration camp for letting them film on land being used to slaughter Uyghurs.
"corporate culture kills creativity" I would also say that "social justice" kills creativity because it requires no intelligence to believe in the childish ideals of "fairness and equality".
I would say trying to seem like a social justice warrior is. Because I have friends that are legitimately “woke”, but they all hate Disney. The problem is when Disney tries to act woke to please people who hate it.
No surprise. People who grew up with their face in a computer monitor, smartphone, or video game and seldom bothered to go out and look at the real world can hardly be expected to create realistic animations.
6:26 Glenn Keane left to start his own company. When he was at Disney he was being paid 2 million a year. Glen Keanes dad was a syndicated cartoonist. Andreas Deja left Disney because he wanted to DRAW, not move a mouse and press buttons.
I’m not surprised by the Disney news. They have become a politically driven company that hates me. I’ve been boycotting Disney for several years now and even sold all my Disney stock.
I no longer care if Hollywood stays in business. Perhaps it's time for entertainment to come from a new place. How many years will we watch and complain?
This is sad as a consumer but if you are a artist it´s even sadder, even if you weren´t into disney style the artistry was so high that you couldn´t help being inspired. I was rewatching pinocchio recently and the backgrounds were so well crafted that you could hang them in a wall.
We get a race-swapped fairy godmother as Disney's 100 year anniversary gift. Yup, spoiler, Asha becomes the fairy godmother of Cinderella, only race swapped and 10000x uglier.
I have friends who work in CGI, not animation specifically, I remember a few years ago asking if they wanted to work at Disney and they said no. They said that Disney treats it's artists worse and pays less than any other studio. I think they have been skating on their rep for a while, but now it is starting to really affect the work and the box office. I wonder if there is a calculus to the DEI hiring and politics that to them outweighs the negative effect on their company, but there has to be a breaking point when you keep losing money. I think that is absolutely why they pushed out the release of Snow White, as Iger knew yet another bomb in the same fiscal year would not go well with the board of shareholders. Snow White will bomb, but at least if they can push it out they won't have a string of bombs and get another piece in variety.
Remember this is the corporate parts of the industry letting this happen, ESG and all is taking the energy and soul of creativity that can reflect the average person.
1:30 I'm not sure if that's an animation issue, it could be a staging/layout issue. The movie has plenty of shots with quadrupeds running from wide-shots, so there's no reason to assume that all of a sudden animators "can't animate a horse" when animating a horse is generally one of the first assignments given to animators in college for run cycle tests. It could also be a storyboarding issue as I've noticed the movie does heavily rely on pretty simple and basic staging, which could also be a throwback to the staging of the 90s movies. That being said, I know several artists at Disney and your comments at 8:00 match up with what I've been told. In terms of "rule of thirds" that's a rule that is only very loosely followed. It's necessary for VERY basic set-ups, but most shots are going off of something more complicated than thirds.
Years ago I made the decision to major in animation, moved to LA to get that start in networking while learning more about the film process. The sad part is this happened around 2016 and I could foresee a lot of problems Hollywood, but especially Disney, was going to face because of how disconnected the industry was to half of the country. At the time, our box offices were still working with the Chinese market and it created a lot of greedy corporates seeing any poorly made film was still going to bring back revenue because of the impact the Chinese market had, there was little care to keep the loyal fans and they shot themselves in the foot by participating in as well as enabling in political tension in the US. On top of that, companies like Disney believe 2D animation is dead, they hire less people for 3D animation and if there was a project of anything 2D related, it’s either sent to an Asian animation studio or it’s done on a computer screen. Being an artist there is a difference between the techniques used on the screen of a tablet to the physical paper. So with the lack of art as the priority, studios cut off the artists that brings in life to these films, and the diversity hire just made it worse. As a white female from a rural isolated region, it was disheartening to know nothing good was going to come out of this. My intent was not to be a part of a propaganda machine, I wanted to use the skills I had to create something that inspires the best of others and a way we could connect. Knew since then I had to step away and wait for the industry to crumble. In the end, my love for art died since then, and I tried to warn many who didn’t understand the self destruction that was going to happen now probably understand. In the end, what gets me the most is how they destroyed one man’s legacy, as well as tarnish American culture as they belittled those who propped up the industry in the first place. When the activists took over, Disney and many other studios were doomed, no matter how they try to rebrand. This videos hits it close to home, I’ll have to save this one in case I do get another conversation of why I never followed through with animation, it hits all of the bullet points.
Sorry your time got cut short. "Love for art" did do a die-off. I'm a nobody who left my Hollywood union before 40 in 2012. Got some okay years out of it. Could make the "politics" rant, and creepy crew member stories, but nah. Actually, 1999 was the last good year to be making movies, and being a audience member. Chris Gore thinks it's a good time to make a name for yourself. Not really. It's due to too much content. You have to be a talented trust fund kid at the top of your game and wait 10-15 years to be discovered independently to make a living. There's 2 good things I can write/make nobody's done, but dare I say: who cares anymore anyway. Frank Darabont, who I once worked with on the #1 rated imdb movie, recently said on a tiny podcast "Do movies even matter anymore?". Pretty much sealed the deal that he has no intention of coming back. He's not alone.
@@jamesburke4358People can make it. You'll just starve for 5 to 10 years. But to even try you have to refine your craft to the point that when anyone sees your work their eyes light up. I'm a music guy, and the glutt is terrible but on the other side of that most of the indie stuff out there is bad to mediocre or just flat out derivative. If you can execute and have a real original idea then things can work out.
@Napalm I think James has a good point, movies seem irrelevant now, it used to be a bonding experience and a way people can have just an hour or two of shutting out the rest of the world, and the best films brought motivation. The studios have killed that now, especially as they alienated their audience for a cheap gig, there is no one in charge of these studios that want to entertain nor do they want to impress the audience. They don’t care therefore it’s made a lot of people resent these studios and see it as a waste of time and money. And I think comparing it to music is like comparing apples to oranges, music is timeless. It’s an art that last that goes back thousands of years, if there’s a moment when music might not seem to have that edge to reflect, I see potential independent musicians being able to step in and fill in tgat missing piece of genre the audience might want. And there’s some musicians who did piss people off in the last 10 years but there’s more who steered cleared of being divisive. Whereas in the studios it was encouraged to have every level be as divisive as possible, otherwise you’d get blacklisted and then any opportunity to continue your filming career gets shut down. I think this is where independent films are taking advantage of the lack of creativity the established studios are wasting their money on, however there’s still hurdles to manage. And the audience for films now has shrunk drastically, it’s a fraction of what the audience built up used to be so if these independent filmmakers release these films they have to navigate the way they can profit with little attendance in certain areas. It’s popular for some regions, but I think it could potentially struggle in the long run if the movie culture dies.
Don’t let these lunatics ruin your love of art. Move to a different career, sure. But don’t let them take away that creative side of yourself. It’s disgusting what has happened in the US. However, here in the US there are people like us who fight back. Whereas most of Europe, Canada, and Australia….the war against the radical left has already been lost. In the UK, police can show up at your door if you say something as offensive as “women are women”.
Only took 20 years, but Hollywood has clearly ’Napster-ed’ itself. Took long enough. But at least now the gate keeper model of several powerful studios is over. And hilariously, it was the largest studios that killed their own ‘golden goose.’ Honestly I’m thinking of actually starting my own socio-political cartoons on the entertainment industry as there’s never been a better time to create comedic entertainment. Audiences are craving it. And Hollywood sure as Hell Isn’t giving it to them. They can’t even give them what they want. Instead they get bait-n-switches, gender swaps and all under the banner of Wall Street-focused PSAs because studios would rather take money from BlackRock than hope their customers like their consumer ‘products’. Nevertheless, this change is inevitable. I honestly just can’t wait to see once the financial tide has changed and the DEI/ESG PSA’s are essential fodder for satire. Satires that become mainstream. Because you know that these shills like Emergency Awesome and New Rockstars will no doubt jump the band wagon and immediately support whatever is popular. Hell they’ll be shilling their own goods with whatever future (then culturally accepted) memes onto t-shirts and whatever other crap they can push on their subscribers. But they’ll milk the current dog shit for every last penny before then pretending that they’re ‘hip’ with the shift. Regardless, the whole spectacle is going to be hilarious.
As a 2D animator working full time in Europe as an animator and 2D animation teacher the constant nagging from US studios that 2D is dead or don't sell is endlessly baffling. They CAN get 2D animators, they just WON'T! The audience is by no means tired of 2D. If they were, why is 2D animated tv shows so popular?
Everything happening at Disney is devastating. I'm a professional 3D animator who's dreamed of working for Disney for years. But by the time I graduated, I never even applied there even ounce. And I know for a fact that most of the talent out there won't either because of all the terrible decisions they've taken over the years. The political thing is just on the surface, that's not really what's bothering me--obviously, it has gone way overboard. It's the whole thing that just turned into such a massive corporate nightmare that's getting completely absurd.
A lot of the people in charge don't even have a background in any kind of media production. It's just a machine to pump out revenue now. We're just cogs in the machine at this point.
It's just so sad when so many legends I look up to, who've taught me most of what I know in the field. Found themselves victims in their own house by complete strangers who made their way in for the wrong reasons.
Not showing humans or animals walking (by not showing the legs in a shot or sequence) is a hallmark of budget animation. Disney is doing it now? “Former people”? What are they now? Has Disney turned them into zombies or automata?
Disney of today is, to me, a sad reflection of our society. You can clearly see when we were at the high point, and now the continued decline. When our society was in a better place and Disney at the time was still producing quality, to now when things are sort of falling apart and Disney's garbage content reflects the same
You mean the government. Affirmative action turned into "hostile work place," so a game studio dev asking for superior "jiggle physics" is howled out of the industry.
I worked for a mid size it company and everything was great than the company was bought by big Canadian company and within 5 years ESG and other nonsense took over and the work day is now full of anti bias training and diversity shyte. Iam activly looking for a change at this point
Question: how bad does it have to get before Disney is forced to change? Or is it like the big 2 comics where it was run into the ground, everyone left, took no responsibility and blamed fans.
The people who remain silent are fearful, and have no real protection, should they decide to speak out. They have mortgages, car payments, kids in school, and credit card debt. Who among us is willing to throw it all to the wind to make a social or political stand? It's easy to be brave when it isn't your own ass on the line. But kudos to those who have the fortitude to do so.
Hey, Chris. Long story short but I was refused from even networking with animators to find work because I live in Indiana and was told remote/online production was impossible to do. This was 2years before the pandemic where they were begging people to do remote work and had it set up instantly with 0 issues. The industry actively discriminates against people who aren't in their bubble which is why animation has been on a slow decline because they refuse to open up and claim doing so makes things more diverse. This failure was well deserved.
Hearing what the movie was originally suppose to be...that's heartbreaking to hear. That's such a great idea and they instead did whatever that hot mess was
I remember "Rule of Thirds" being taught in the very INTRO to my career classes of film and television production... It was one of the first things you LEARN... and these people DON'T KNOW IT!!!
In a company's 10K filings with the SEC, they are required to alert investors to possible risks to the future financial direction of the company. In Disney's most recent filing, they've actually been forced to say the quiet part out loud and add this tid-bit to their list of risks: "Further, consumers’ perceptions of our position on matters of public interest, including our efforts to achieve certain of our environmental and social goals, often differ widely and present risks to our reputation and brands."
Now, after ruining Marvel, and ruining Star Wars, they’ve ruined, “When you wish upon a star.” But I liked the message: “when you’ve built something amazing, don’t let in a bunch of people who expect something for nothing, or they will ruin it.”
It's unfair to say the animators aren't good at their jobs. I'd say the issue is animators aren't given proper time tell the best story they can. They're not given enough time to create amazing/ groundbreaking effects. Disney's priorities are money, time, and agendas.
If they wanted to get an example of animating the movement of a horse they could have gone as far back as 1873 and the Horse In Motion cards which had pictures of a horse and rider in motion at every stage of movement. They could have watched Japanese fantasy anime which even have medievel costumes, armored knights and nobility riding horses, instead they settle on sub-standard animation that wouldn't past muster on television, let alone cinematic release.
Hell, there’s a ton of open source mo-cap for running horses on the internet. Anyone lazy but competent should’ve been able to use the associated pre-made rig and staple the movie’s model onto it. Guess it never occurred to them.
During this live-stream I asked what were the chances of all this talent that woke Hollywood has run out of town forming a studio overseas (say Japan, Korea, etc.), making the movies they want to make without political persecution, and exporting said movies back into the US. Imagine if someone with reputation and weight such as Quentin Tarantino did this. Surely he could make it happen, he would be able to attract top non-woke talent. Can this happen? Is it feasible?
Or Eastern or Southern Europe. Everything is significantly cheaper here for American filming crews. There´s a lot of interesting landscapes and old architecture which could be used instead of green screen. It would be also significantly easier to get some extras and stuntmen for any project based on European source material.
They'd have trouble competing for funding with locals in countries with strong film industries. It could happen, but there will be a culture shock and adjusting of expectations.
@@kenjifox4264 your problem will still be that you're selling to woke distributors, and won't have being "culturally different" to shield you from their ESG standards.
Something is seriously wrong with the workflow at this company. From the abysmal results of the scrapbooking editing technique to the subpar maintenance of park rides to this, the whole company needs a power wash and a tune-up.
The film industry (domestically; US/Canada) has been in a steady decline since around 2003 when video games blew past the industry. Ticket sales for films peaked in 2003 and have never come close to that year. Meanwhile, indie films have always been thriving. Too many people are looking to a franchise to tell a story like the one that excited them years before instead of looking for new stories altogether that might actually give you that feeling.
You are 100% correct about the death of Hollywood and the rise of independent movies. Sound of Freedom is an excellent example. Now for an enterprising group which will become the distribution vendor to get them into now-empty theaters and a streaming source which focuses on these offerings. The key will be making sure the distro group remains free from the shackles of the soulless ‘for the money’ crowd.
I'm glad you brought up 'Monsters'. I find that movie amazing. Gareth Edwards made that movie for less than half a million dollars. It might be slow for some people but I think it was one of the best low budget movies I've ever seen.
Watched Wish-- and I had the same thoughts as Alan; the music was total cringe-- and I love music but everytime music started playing i was rolling my eyes. Usually music helps move the story along because it lets you in on what a character is thinking or feeling, in the Wish movie it seemed algorithmic rather than natural or even purposeful. I laughed at Asha's best friend using a cane-- and her diverse group of friends. But that sums up the movie Wish-- no story, no plot or suspense, no stakes, or character development just the checking of boxes. This movie had great potential for sharing a good message for kids that you can work hard to get what you want, or not everything we wish for is possible. Its a good thing to work for something instead of just having things handed to us. I thought the wishes were ambiguous-- Asha's grandfather was shown playing a guitar but evidently his wish was to help people in a big profound way, but he has no idea what could be?! What?! As Ryan Kinnel puts it Wish is a movie about a girl with a goat! 😂😂😂
Not all of us wanted to animate for Disney. Even as far back 100 years ago with Walt himself, Disney treated their animators as slave labor. I can appreciate their art, but I wanted nothing to do with Disney since being a teenager and learning about Disney's entire history of horrible business practices, and hearing from the "old school" animators and learning how they were treated. I love every single day of seeing this company burn itself to the ground, just to know somewhere out there, in some form, those "old school" guys are laughing their asses off.
It's very much appreciated you bring this to light! I am excited for the revolution of independent films also, you make me more excited and hopeful it's coming soon, I have faith!
It seems that Normies are walking away from Disney and THE MESSAGE. I have to disagree with Chris though…I avoided the Fablemans because it looked like a giant narcissistic ego trip for Spielsberg..”Look at how great I am!” In the last decade or two he has become insufferable
I was a big fan of Spielberg back in the 80s and 90s. He was a movie maker of mainstream American movies who truly loved movies, and what they had the potential to be. His best days are way behind him. He and Tony Kushner never should have collaborated, and it would be better for both Jews and homosexuals if they didn’t. *Munich* was pure self-hatred. *Lincoln* was basically the movie version of the Disneyland version of Honest Abe. *West Side Story* should be called “welcome to the Spielberg killed Sondheim party.”
@@Attmay The Terminal looked like a lifetime movie. Amistaad looked like a movie you would inflict on a high school history class. His flicks became more pretentious and boring. When he did an interview during the making of Indy 4…SS kept gushing about how he wanted to get all of Indy’s girlfriends together. No Steven…this is not Sex in the City. No offense to the lovely ladies acctresses, but nobody comes to an Indy movie for a romantic comedy. I knew it was going to be a mess…which is sad when I read ideas that SS and Frank Darabount/Joe Johnson had to a sequel. There was a documentary called The Dark Side of Steven Spielsberg which threw down some pretty disturbing / Epstein Island stuff that really made me stop liking SS and most of Hollywood
Thanks for your incredible insight, guys! The current state of the Disney Company is like the rotten decline of the Western Roman Empire. It ended with its last emperor, whose name was Romulus, like the founder of the once so powerful nation. In Disneys case, it could be the Snow White-Remake, that could sealed the company's final demise. And like after the fall of Rome, several new kingdoms of stories and magic could rise fron the ashes and flourish for the next 100 years.
They could've had a collage of techniques from manual cel inception to Pixar with the art style/aesthetic being the only cohesive parameter outside of the story. Beginning with a b/w hand drawn syle then ending full cgi technicolor. So much wasted potential for a hundy celebration. I'm not a huge Disney fan but this movie deserved so much better.
We don't need you, hollywood. I'll put it more clearly: we are sick and tired of you, hollywood! There is nothing you can do to fix the damage that has been done.
To quote a Neil Breen character: “Artificial intelligence: the corrupt version!” I bet that that’s the line that the big studios take when independents start using AI creatively to stretch their tiny budgets.
In the name of Ollie Johnson, as an old time 2d animator, human and animal walk and run cycles where one of the very first things they taught you. And art directors will still check your walks even if you are a full time pro animator
But also still kind of a bad movie. It’s a bad premise from the get-go, especially because that’s so tied to Pinocchio. If became associated with Disney as a company because it was their first Oscar-winning song.
"Spirit stallion of the cimarron" is one of my favorite animated movie of all time because I have never seen such a beautiful nonverbal horse animation. It is peak movement understanding of a complex animal. Hand drawn. And now the (former) top animation company cannot animate a 3D horse???
From what little I've seen of this in trailers and other news, the quality of the animation looks to be on a par with what we used to expect in our Saturday morning cartoons. This is about as good as Scooby Doo, and a bit better than The Jetsons.
Could it be that maybe these companies have gotten too large and too focused on money over art? "Wish" wasn't bad because of "activism." It was bad because it tried to do everything for everyone. For example, Magnifico was supposed to have a sympathetic backstory but also be an arch villain of old because so many people have been wanting "arch" villains again but then again those arch villains get cut down because they just pop up out of nowhere and then get sympathetic backstory movies. Even having the flexibility of doing 3d animation while trying to have hand-drawn animation in the background. It's just messy. It was attempting to be one for all but it just because all for none. 🤷♀
As you know, Chris, rank and file just do the best with the script in front of us. Whatever latitude with story and creative we are given we try to take to make a production as good as we can. But at the end of the day we have to respect the wishes of those above us and play well in the sand box. It’s a small industry. A gypsy industry. Speaking out has to be done in a proactively positive way by creating alternative independent content, rather than by clapping back reactively and critically against the studios you work for or could be working for. Lot of folks out of work right now through no fault of their own. The rank and file artists just want to do their best to make rewarding shows and flicks and take care of their families. There’s a way to go that doesn’t short-circuit one’s ability to continue to work in the industry we love.
I feel that way about voice over/voice acting industry as well. Screw the boys club and unions. There are plenty of hungry VO/VAs who care about the art and fans out there who won’t go along with a narrative just because the hive mind tells them to.
The thing for me, and big respect to you guys, is I don’t care if there are gay / trans / feminist/ anti capitalist activists or whatever at Disney, that’s not the issue for me. It’s the poor storytelling. Tell a radical story well and I’d still love it because it was a good story. It’s the fact that “tokenism” is considered better then talent. Like if Disney wanted a lot of black women animators- train them and in 10 years you’d have some good ones. Make minority scholarships a thing; whatever, the key for me is you need to be a good story; done well, and it will stand on its own. 🎉
I think that is the point. Most people don't care. But, you can't make art if you prioritize political agenda. Great art comes from the genius of it's creators...unfiltered genius. We won't see great art coming from Disney if it first has to check all the DEI boxes the company wants to promote, for it to be funded.
I am glad to hear you guys are doing well at Film Threat. I was not at all interested in Wish, but this kind of seals it for me. It is really sad to see talk about film become borderline political.
