That's really what's so incredible. Tumblr was known as a hive of mentally ill, BPD deviants for YEARS. And Iger and the board DELIBERATELY sought these people out. It shows this was absolutely planned as malicious subversion of Walt's company, out of spite.
@@FoxWolfWorld filing a Federal suit in the Central District gives you a shot at a moderate jury as well. The Central Valley isn’t filled with woke activists.
@@FoxWolfWorldA good point but they will eventually win as it works its way up the ladder. Plus they don't need to bring the class action suit in California. They can sue from any state of the US. There is hope !
Hear hear, its sounds muh-soggy-knees and shiet, but I sincerely think that women aren't built for high stress environments like multimillion dollar corporations. They're the "nurture" in "nature vs nurture", so they have a hard time accepting facts/profit>feelings
How sick do you have to be to think that those men you're forcing out don't have women in their lives, daughters, mothers, wives, sisters that they're supporting. In what world does 50%/50% "equity" make any sense in any role. Unfortunately almost all industries are infected with this bs.
they want 100%, in a few years they will invent reasons to push men (and disagreeable women) out completely. And probably sink with the ship full of tumblr trash tier ""artists""
(Those Behind the Blacklist): Well, if those men have women in their lives, said women should leave those men by any means necessary - Sisterhood Uber Alles! Married - divorce! Married with children - divorce and take the children across State lines, declare that you are scared of him - even if it's a lie, a lie in service of the Sisterhood is no lie! Mother - disown the born wrong thought son! Sister - disown the born wrong thought brother!
Imagine if the Elon's lawyers found them , put together a class action lawsuit ; which they then won and took that money to form their new Non- Woke animation studio which Elon then uses to destroy Disney ..eventually buying up the shattered wreckage of Disney at auction prices..😂
With the availability of direct to consumer streaming, they could probably make a ton of money at it with relatively little investment (relative to major studios).
It explains why tumblr and reddit will activity shill and praise the latest animation stuff or why reddit has such a hard on for the MCU. They are defending trash because the trash agrees with them
People from every social media site are responsible. Because that's where most activists hang out at. They used to live on Tumblr and just use Twitter as a microphone. But after the porn ban, they pretty much decided to just live on Twitter. Even after Elon bought it.
It's a bit annoying that they equate Reddit with Tumblr. Reddit was an overwhelmingly GenX/GenY nerd/geek website until around the mid 2010s. It was like a big fratboy party, derping and herping about narwhals and bacons. Of course they had their own toxicity, and their fair share of scandals (like r/jailbait or the Boston marathon fiasco), but it was a very different site compared to the overcensored far left leaning husk of its former self really.
I only joined Reddit a few years ago to get answers to gaming questions, but I started looking at a few subs, and it's so Woke and toxic it's scary. Totally brainwashed Gen Zers fully buying into Woke ideology. I got banned on r/StarTrek because I didn't like an episode of Picard. I quit Reddit altogether soon after. Moderators are God, there is no appeal, no question, toe the line or you're booted. @@negirno
Even if it was not Tumblr heavy, saturating an organization with young people who have never worked in an office or managed conflict is a recipe for disaster.
I mean it completely explains all of the problems they've been having. The severe dip in quality all around not to mention the feeling that the inmates are running the asylum are completely true and verifiable. The more I hear the more I realize every gut feeling I've had was correct and the feeling of disgust but also of resignation that I realized there's no turning back the industry is doomed (or at least this incarnation is) and must fully burn out before something new can rise from the ashes.
Give it some more time peltz is a very smart man and is definitely watching all this! I myself would love to see what would happen if he gets his seats
I've been in the animation industry for over 30 years. I just want to say that I appreciate this video and especially the article written on the FT website! Hail Chris and Alan!
Same here. Animation was my dream, but my mom was against trade school and a fine art degree with no real placement program or networking wasn't good enough. I ended up working tech support, got married, became a mom, and thankful as hell that dreams did *not* come true. Now some part of me wants to see an animated musical along those lines: a story in which having to leave dreams behind results in the best ending.
And by "going for the story," what is meant is not a genuine passion for storytelling, but seizing the opportunity to tell stories as a means for ideological propaganda and indoctrination.
i graduated from 2 animation programs. my first one was from 2016-2020 and the atmosphere from that course to my second course in 2020-2022 is night and day. the second program I could see it being infested with these types of minds, right down to getting offended about their character design being "misgendered" by the prof. This is starting at a school level and we''re hiring these young activists.
It’s not the Walt Disney Company anymore. It’s not even the WD. It’s the Bob Iger Company. He stood on the shoulders of giant and only managed to increase the range of his piss.
I would gladly apprentice myself to those skilled and experienced veteran animators like Glen Keane and Andreas Deja. They were mentored by the original Disney animators, for heaven's sake. They possess all the knowledge of classic Disney animation.
What gets me as a woman into art myself, is that why would they force out artist people who happen to be men, who are trained and talented to replace them? This isn’t supposed to be a sex or gender competition, this is supposed to be an industry based on measuring your artistic and writing training, potential and capacity REGARDLESS of your biology or gender. A solution is adding woman, expanding the studio to equal types of people. And the whole Tumblr thing has me flabbergasted… I don’t even know where to start with how that’s a terrible choice. Like you implied, the types of communities that site attracts is extreme social cults, where their goal is turn anything into a toxic competition. Women who belong to that culture Instigate to ruin each other reputations while smiling at each other’s faces, and anyone who doesn’t fall into an artificial construction of beliefs about control of others based on their gender, race or sex, they will spend years passively harassing.
As someone who went to college to study animation and tried to get into the industry, this is not surprising. I gave up on that field years ago when I realized how impossible it in to get hired in the industry unless you know the right people. Friends hire friends, they don't hire based on talent. People who got jobs out of college were guarenteed jobs regardless of their degree simply because of the family and connections they had. They had no desire to work with others and trashed their fellow students. There was no art community then. And it's infested the industry to the point they can't hide it anymore.i hope the industry gets cleansed.
If you’re interested in animation you should know the history of Disney animation, just for the joy of watching snow white, cinderella, lady and the tramp, etc…, they are works of art… 🙂
Sounds like a perfect storm of laziness, incompetence, and unchecked egos. Lets just use social media to find, "talent" instead of going out to actual art schools to meet with artists in person.
@@marcogenovesi8570 Oh yeah, I'm sure there's more than enough, "Support my cause" GoFundMes going around at those schools. I just figured they at least have to be accepted there, and have a portfolio already built up.
@@marcogenovesi8570 damn, I replied to this hours ago. There's no way RU-vid thought what I said was inappropriate, but who knows anymore? I agreed with you, and said that I'm sure art schools have more than enough, "support my cause" go fund me's to go around.
@@marcogenovesi8570 I also just added that I would hope that since artists have to be accepted to art schools, then they would at least have a legitimate portfolio built up.
As someone taking college animation classes right now, this hurts my soul. Good thing I never planned to work for Disney (I prefer to not work for a massive corporation) but for those who did/do I feel your pain.
How has this blatant discrimination not been addressed by the courts or even lawmakers? Has no one sued Disney over wrongful termination? Has there been no attempt at a class-action lawsuit? I can tell you that if DEI policies of filling in the boxes and not hiring the best talent (for all American companies) reached the Supreme Court, it would be shut down.
Great story guys! The great Walt Kelly (best known for the old Pogo comic strip that he did from 1948 to his death in 1972) talked glowingly about his time at "Disney University" and all he learned about the comics/animation craft there. I love his work and have studied it so that I can recognize the work he did on Fantasia. The depth of scene and detail he put into the Pogo comic strips made a comic into art, much like the great Windsor McKay in the Little Nemo comics of more than a century ago. His humor was also great. And he was grateful to Disney for helping him develop those skills. To see how far Disney has collapsed is just depressing. Which is why I have made sure to own as many hardcopies of great Disney works of the past as I can. Including a Disney movie briefly mentioned in this video that has all but been stricken from the archives and put in the societal oubliette.
I've given up my acting career. It's not just Disney, it is all of film, TV, and commercials. Fortunately acting was just something fun I did. I feel sorry for people who it's their passion. Then again, they're almost all libs and have created this environment. So F em lol...
@@Anayoth That’s because conservatives ceded that territory decades ago. People with the mentality of Matt Walsh who badmouth all entertainment are the reason why we are in the position where American media is woke beyond repair and the public is looking overseas to get some sane entertainment
True words. when I was a kid, I became friends and sometimes best friends with others after being enemies and even had physical fights with them. A couple of my friends tried to bully me at first, but respect was formed after fighting.
After graduating, my first day at work in the UK I asked a colleague for help with something. The first thing out of his mouth was "fuck off, Vince". I took that in my stride and didn't react and persisted with my ask. He smiled. He was white, I am black. That was almost 35 years ago. We became best of friends and within a month, me the most junior engineer, ended up sharing a house between myself and 4 of the most senior engineers in the company. I cannot imagine what would have happened if that exchange happened today and he was overheard. Men test each others boundaries and in many instances it's nothing personal and you walk away from the experience better for it.
Yep, we've already seen people trying to beg and plead after the mobs that they've supported come after them. And it's always hilarious them expecting any kind of sympathy when clearly they deserve none. Reap what you sow, get what you deserve. What goes around comes around.
the women aren't pushing this. men are with a small group of complicit women... this is the disease of late stage capitalis and a decayed elite class pushing gnostic sx magick on the kiddies through all child oriented media and spaces... same as it ever was... this time the beckoning call to the kiddies to step up to the slab is trans magick.... ye shall not surely be stuck in the wrong body... and the sex magick practitioners have run out them that protest. now Be Kind. its the Aeon of Horus. in mouse ears.
Men also try to learn and get better from the competitions they lose. Women hold a grudge and want to burn the competition down if they lose. Why do you think every female character has to be made less attractive, man-face Mary Jane in Spiderman 2 for example.
@@marcogenovesi8570 At this point, maybe women were kept out of professional life for centuries for a reason. If Disney is an example of how they act when given power, why would anybody wanna work for women? And why is it not the exception that gets these leadership positions. I'd trust Katheryn Bigelow (if she wanted the position) to run Lucasfilm creatively more than I would Kathleen Kennedy. Why is it the exact catty female stereotype of women that get these positions of power?
Not just Disney. A BBC producer won an achievement award created specifically 2 years ago, for increasing the minority audience share for the morning news show. She did it by losing over half a million of the majority audience.
Thanks for bringing us this, investigative journalism worthy of a Pulitzer, although those don't mean much anymore. It's hard to come up with a favorable comparison for how much I appreciate this when every award and institution seems to be corrupt now.
Blacklist Studios or Blacklist Productions would be a great name to represent this organization of talented people who are unemployed because they lack uncommon demographics.
There's nothing wrong with being inspired by anime, but the fact that these people they got off of Tumblr weren't even familiar with classic Disney movies is a bad sign, especially since a lot of Japanese artists like Osamu Tezuka were heavily inspired by American cartoons like those produced by Disney in the first place. Either way, this whole thing about the work culture sounds absolutely messed up.
Lol right? Let's force the NBA to have representation similar to the population. In fact, it's unrealistic to have that many tall people in the NBA as well when there's not that many tall people in real life.
@@marcogenovesi8570No, even they don't have ANY short women, that's bigotry and heightism and even racist against Asian women who are often shorter, I should sue! 😂 (sarcasm, in case anyone thinks I'm serious; nowadays it's often hard to tell)
It's not limited to Hollywood, ALL industries are going overseas. All software is now coded off shore because of it (I was laid of as well as the ENTIRE US contracting force AND European and the jobs I use to get in my linkedIn inbox (30 a day) is now 1 every couple of months. Nov of 2022 is when the engineering jobs all went to El Salvador and such. THIS IS ABOUT DEI across the board and it needs to be brought down by the dept of labor.
Wish is just Sandlot 2 all over again. Thank you for covering this and not just bringing light to Disney but animation’s or even Film’s plight as a whole. My sister studies animation as a visualization major and she’s in Japan interning rn. She’s never been super strong, but she always loved animation. I worry for her future. As I’m sure you are well aware, this outsourcing business is a race to the bottom of who will do it cheapest. Walt was visionary and creative, but men like Iger only care about looking good and buy but never create. This corporatism is the rot of the industry that has been easy prey to “post postmodern” ideology. “Post postmodern” as in these beautiful artworks are picked apart but rather than building something back, they leave it broken and in shambles, unable to be used by culture any longer. Video Games and Animation I think are becoming more culturally influenced by independent creators, but it’s hard to establish footing when so much is required to be on the level of quality desired by audiences. I know people talk about the Cold War a lot so when I looked at Yuri Bezmenov’s interviews finally, it was honestly so surreal how much our society’s climate mimics that which he describes. People hate each other and there is no trust. Legal Mindset was saying that this is possibly set up for AI to take over animation. Activists are useful idiots in this mindset, wherein all talent is abandoned for looking good with diversity and then when reality hits, there is no viable financial option but to use AI. Same happening rn with localizers. I hope he is wrong but the mere idea I see plausibility is terrifying. The reason why I believe animation to be integral to society is because of the shift away from religion. Looking at the rituals of different cultures humanity had always found religion as a cultural unifier with stories and mythos connecting the people in morality and idealism. Any religion at all was good in that it United a people and its mythos or stories spoke inherently to an aspect of the human condition. In the West That is largely gone from pop culture now. The American mythos of comics and games has fallen victim to this rot already. With nothing left, society becomes demoralized divided and happiness becomes a distant memory. But, if we can as fans of culture, preserve the core essence of how media speaks to the human experience, it is possible, (not easy) to revitalize the spirit of our society. Which is why I am so invested in this. People may say “culture war is a waste of time,” but I would argue on the ideas of C.S. Lewis that humanity has always been on the precipice of actual war and eradication of its brethren. If there is no time to rest the soul then there is no life to be enjoyed on human terms, only beastly wars that rage ever onwards and act only on base instincts because we neglected to raise our higher thoughts. …I need to stop rambling.😅
I think the issue is that we have to stop looking to any kind of institutions or industries to bring us the next big things they have stagnated, they are filled with activists and they will be more than willing to use AI when the time comes because it's all about doing things as you said for the cheapest price. Where I see hope rising is from the indies from small Independent artists little groups working independently from the mass market machines. We've seen the big companies cranking out nothing more than slop, drivel so bad that even the masses are turning away and looking elsewhere. Western based games for the most part along with animation and other things like comics have all but been absorbed by the east and all things anime/manga along with the movies. Japan, Korea and China even have helped to change the landscape and counterbalance everything that's happening within culture here in the US/Canada,Europe/UK and elsewhere. I am a bit sad but all good things must come to an end sooner or later. Unfortunately what might have taken much longer was greatly accelerated by the hubris and general angry hatred coming from the group now infiltrated within Hollywood and especially Disney. The cancer is far too deep there is no going back now it must completely burn itself out and perhaps from the ashes something better can emerge.
Imagine being headhunted by Disney because of animation posted to Tumblr, regardless of gender. Or looked over for promotion, because of policies relating to representation and inclusion implemented 30 years ago. I hadn't considered that the move to live-action remakes was inspired by the decline of quality animation being produced by the Disney company.
Disney let me go, my manager had a hate towards me becuase my sexuality, and he got back up with his pals in HR and i couldnt do anything. Disney is getting what they deserve with their failures no days!
I mean it's pretty obvious exactly when the people that are running things got in charge because the quality of things went down immensely with the quickness. Writing especially but art direction, literally everything just took a huge, huge hit. But yup, reap what you sow get what you deserve. What goes around comes around.
That's what's going on with gaming. AAA studios with the best graphics possible are being trounced by a 50-man team making Pokemon with guns. Or one dude making a game set in space.
Just Disney but for some befalling reason around 2015 all of Hollywood looked at Tumblr when there were thousands of other websites with talent on them to pull from and they chose one. That was the one that Hollywood said "That one! That's the one we want!" Gee I wonder why Hollywood is an absolute mess now.
I'm aware of a polite, yet toxic view from the executive board (over 20 years ago). One board member voices a concern to saying "Walt wouldn't do...". The response was "Well, Walt isn't here anymore". Most of the board chuckled.
I'm really starting to question things that I thought I knew after current information coming to light. Between this and what happened with the guy who did the show Clarence I'm really starting to believe this was all done to push people out. And even if it wasn't the mere fact that everything now is called into question because it's so obvious there has been a concerted effort to remove people by any means necessary to take over their positions or just push them out.
Moving work to Canada is about avoiding working with and paying benefits to Guild members. The Guild became national last year and this year is a negotiation year between the Guild and the studios...
I had a dig at Alan's spelling the other day re the Star Wars trials (Chris, you replied by saying that you need an intern). I have to say, this article more than makes up for it. Very well written, Alan. Edit: assuming you haven't hired an intern in the last week!
About Tumblr, I remember a RU-vidr saying that people create non-white versions of characters of the anime like Princess Jellyfish. Princess Jellyfish is exactly the anime they watch. Not a good anime. Very shallow plot and characters. But they like it because is about characters with no real personality who made their gender, sexual preference, and mental illness their personality. Just like them. And just like them, they don't want to expose themselves to difficulties to develop a real personality.
The disavowing of Walt Disney will be a whole lot sooner than you think. They've already been pissing on the man's grave and legacy for decades now. So disavowing him altogether? Easily the next logical step they take in their downward spiral.
OMG THANK YOU!! I work in the industry as an actor and AD..And I constantly see this from productions, choosing "influencers" over talent...Alot of acting jobs and directing jobs are going to tik tok and social media stars, instead of the best skilled people.....Having a "following" is more important than actual filmmaking craft...It's another reason why movies suck now..
The animation industry, especially at Disney, used to be run by ARTISTS. FINE artists. I stepped away from animation when it shifted to being run by computer nerds. Animation Magazine became a technology platform, period. NOW it's run by social media platformers. I wouldn't go near the industry nowadays with a ten foot pole.
There's already a huge amount of fan made animations here on RU-vid. Syama Pederson and his Astartes project, for example. He did that entire series by himself. Each episode is less than a minute long, but considering that he got the quality to triple A game trailer quality completely by himself, that's impressive as.
But taking down all these legacy companies and multiple entire once successful thriving industries too that is impressive. I mean it's all going to be a tremendous mess and they will only have themselves to blame but it's very impressive to create so much absolute destruction while also trying to wear the "progressive" hat. I guess having absolutely no shame does help too.
It’s like forcing a cover/tribute band to write their own album, then finding out they’re only capable of mimicry, then giving those people creative control over every upcoming album release.
This blows my mind and I hope someone more knowledgeable can enlighten me.. How do you nominate yourself to be the proponent of acceptance and equality and then enforce a "blacklist" on people who dare say anything against your policies? I am hesitant to believe that everyone in that list was a bad person.
The people who scream loudly about how holy, good and pure they are, are usually worth giving a wide berth, normally nothing but darkness hiding in there. They're always deflecting attention.
i posted on you other videos about this topic, but I'm going to say it again. As a woman who graduated from animation and animation for video game development, I want to see Disney get humbled so freaking hard--or just collapse altogether at this point. They and other companies that force this DEI and ESG into their companies deserve whats coming to them. and all men that were wrongfully fired or let go simply due to them being men should file a class action lawsuit against these companies. They think they're the heroes in this story, but they're nothing but classic Disney villains.
The WIA stuff is depressing (although not surprising w/ the state of things), as way back in 2004 when I was in college for animation I ran the Colorado chapter. That was before this giant push for "equity" and I set up events at the school with local studios and companies that would come in and do presentations, as well as meetings for networking etc. It was open to women and men and we had a good mix of people but the focus was on hearing from people working in the local industry and seeing the different types of opportunities in a more 'non-entertainment' market. That it's turned into such a beast is sad. All this makes me happy I took my degree to do 3D in the engineering field instead or going into film 😂
Yep, you definitely dodged a bullet. The industry is an absolute mess and though you might have gotten some good time in before it all came tumbling down. The people in the industry now are a lost cause, there is no hope within it, only waiting for it to fully collapse and burn itself out. Perhaps from the ashes something better may come but it's going to be a good while before that.
@@nicholasvalentine2428 Funny how in John Glubb’s Fate of Empires he describes how woman in power often appears during the decline of a civilization when men have become weak, beta, and effeminate. And why the Bible says responsible men are suppose to lead because women can easily be deceived by their emotions, jus as Eve who was the one who was deceived by the serpent (Devil) to eat from the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil. Men and Women are different and we even have different organs. You can try and make an apple a pear but it’s still an apple.
As normal blue collar working i guess the thing that gets me mad the most is how out in the open all this crap is, and everyone who has been effected by it in a negative way has done nothing; or atleast we have heard nothing. If so many people have been blacklisted,shunned, or just plan cant find work and its being done on purpose, then start speaking up start sueing make this asshats pay and shed all the light you can on them.
And they better do it quick because at the very least there will be smeared to to make sure even if they do speak out no one will believe them or listen to them. Or they'll change laws to make what they're saying hate speech or make firing these people totally legal. This is their chance to speak out, they're not going to get another one.
The problem with Coco is the movie looks like Mexico in 1950 not 1980. In 1980 Mexico had a lot of very popular pop and rock singers. Luis Miguel was a Mexican teen singer and he was very famous in many countries. (a kpop band made a cover of Luis Miguel songs). So the boy in Coco will not admire De La Cruz but a pop singer like Luis Miguel. On the other hand is insensitive to make a movie about the Day of the Death in the 80s in Mexico because of the 1985 earthquake. Many people died that day. (some say a million), So many people didn't like Coco because of that. Is offensive. Who made that movie is very ignorant about mexico.
Fantastic, obviously any sane person would think so,.too but it seems that if they didn't have massive chips on their shoulders they don't count to the current crowd.
Selecting employees by a meaningless measure and any normal 6th grader could tell you how that would not work, could not work. Animation will live or die and the artists abilities to reliably turn out the quality work needed for the project. Since even a kid knows that hiring unsuitable people based on a irrelevant profile quota is not going to workintentionally
MAN I run one of my worldbuilding projects on Tumblr (Sky Cowboys) and I have a fan discord server FULL of tumblr kids. They're generally sweet but holy balls I would never hire any of them. Not until they mature and toughen up.
That's just it I don't really have anything against Tumblr (although what they did a few years ago was pretty lame) but the people on it aren't a community I would be hiring from same as any other social media platform. The mirror idea they would hire anybody based on simply artwork seen online and nothing else except for how they align politically is gross as hell.
I like to mention Tumblr animators have never watched really good anime like Hideo Mayasaki movies which will be the closest thing to Walt Disney. If they have they will have an idea what is expected from them. Generally, they watch what we call slice-of-life anime, very few are good.
You should check into the toxic employee list that was found by a woman and her attorney a few years ago Disney refused to turn over the toxic employee list and the courts weren't making them and she was trying to get a class action lawsuit together and wasn't able to do it and because the attorneys wouldn't take the case but there was most likely a toxic employee list for every single Department especially at Disney world and I wouldn't be surprised if the other parks too.
When come animation you want hire form a school because it's so technical. People on tumbler are not animators and know nothing about animation if next made animated video.
@@FilmThreat Yep, it may be an overused cliche term but "getting out while the getting is good" is very apropos I'd say. It's like escaping a burning building before it burns to the ground.
Disney turned toxic about 2010 or so when they decided to base their company in activism instead of talent. The Parks seem devoid of the old Walt Magic. It is a fleecing operation now.
