Wizards are getting HUGE CHANGES in Pathfinder 2e 

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Fighter: Gonna be a couple of minutes before Rogue's healed and conscious again, we'll try the locked door when they're up. Wizard: *casts Telekinetic Projectile, smashing the door hinges* Fighter: I thought you guys had a Knock spell, or something. Wizard: Son, I studied at the School of Hard Knocks.

The opportunity to homebrew your own specific school is so freeken exciting!

Glad to see a take on the wizard changes that isn't doomer af. I think they're pretty cool

Cantrips seem like most spellcasters primary option until level So, i feel like flat damage nerf is gonna hurt when the game is hardest. Early game. I could be wrong though.

Ah yes Post-REST Clarity Rest. It was definitely REST. Yup.

I’m curious about this but… imma wait till they tell us how Recall Knowledge is changing. The current problem with wizards is inconsistent RK checks. Also, lower cantrip damage matters more in early levels, Nonat. I wouldn’t dismiss it so easily, because if you don’t want to play as a wizard at low levels you’re probably not gonna at high levels.

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I don't remember off the top of my head which spell it was, but there is a new spell that was added in Rage of elements which still adds the spell-casting ability modifier to the damage of the spell. They might have meant they're only removing that from cantrips

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I am a tiny bit sad that Shocking Grasp is gone, because of the 1e Magus memes. We already have Horizon Thunder Sphere as a fitting replacement, but I do hope we get a few more attack spells sprinkled in for Magus x)

While I don't think losing the Ability Score Modifier on a lot of cantrips is a problem for most classes, I think it might cause some real problems for the Magus in particular, since they get so few spell slots and rely on their cantrips so much. I've got a player who's playing a Starlight Span Magus using firearms, and the bulk of his damage comes from being able to Gouging Claw at a distance. Maybe adding your spellcasting modifier to damage will be a class-based thing now?

Feels like the removing of ability mods from cantrips were the worst solution to whatever the heck Paizo was trying to solve. (Consistency?) It impacts low level casters pretty much to the exclusion of all else. Higher level casters will not only rarely have to fall back on cantrips due to their large number of slots, but 4d8+4 (-4) hurts a lot less than 1d8+4 (-4) does in terms of output. Seems like a sloppy fix for consistency, given how rough low level pf2e already is.

at this point just make it its own separate thing a half spellcaster like Magus really strives with what was removed (especially at low levels) the modifier bonus and Shocking Grasp are not insane buffs but they really help I don't see a reason to remove them or repalce the other spells, just keep both and we're good

i hope the universalist school survives in some form or another.

I don't mind the dmg modifier being removed from spells, but unless they tweak a lot of spells. Low level Wizard is going to feel way worse than it already does. A lot of players never make it to the mid to high levels.

Also, some of the unnecessary changes to spells break existing interactions. For example, Light now can no longer target an object, which breaks the interaction with shadows, the Spell Trickster, and Wayfinders.

I really like this idea of focusing on a theme of spells across many of the old schools of magic. This always struck me as oddabout focusing on a specific school, that there might be really thematic spells that are TECHNICALLY another school but fit into the theme of how you play as a blaster or enchanter or summoner. Now you can really build to the vibe and not just the "school"

The Wizard School of Performance or as I shall forever call it the school of nerdy bards

Ok... question for the pathfinder 2e community, have they created a version of the alternate spell rules from pathfinder 1e "words of power"

Really looking forward to the School of Stage Magic so I can play the Great and Powerful Magnazzimar the Magnificent. The focus spell lets you pull a rabbit out of a hat.

Now what are they going to do with Magus.

I'm a 1e player, but have been keeping an eye on what paizo's been doing since the ogl nonsense and i'm pretty impressed. civil engineering wizard is exactly the space of the conjuration school i've always liked but basically all design around conjuration specialists is "summon a horde of monsters to slow down everything". The first character I ever played was basically a wall wizard and was a lot of fun. Hope they do something similar in the necromancy space with it specializing in status conditions instead of summoning/controlling a mass of undead.

Anybody: You should not hate spellscasters so much. Paizo: Hold my potion... No ability damage on cantrips. ... Another nerf to Wizards. Yeeeey!!!

I enjoy the new spells but also hope we get a few cool spell attack spells too. Give the magus and arcane archers some treats

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The future of spellcasting is bright - mostly because the damn druids in my area have been lobbing exploding seeds around! I like the idea of spells being more grounded in world and not the schools of magic. My only concern (and perhaps a quibble) is that if each school gets a focus spell, I will have a harder time building my own schools (I run homebrew) without having to make my own focus spell. I suppose I could search focus spells of ALL classes to fill in gaps, but a list of unattached focus spells would be nice (but perhaps too much to ask for...) Perhaps I have just thought up of a 3rd party product I (or someone willing to steal my idea) could create: the Chelaxian News and World Report Ranking of Magic Schools - a ranked list of the top 100 schools of magic to apprentice your children including curriculum listings and school specialties (focus spells).

Hope they up the effect of the succesful save results so no more save or suck spells and more magic items to improve spellcasting.

Tbh with how many things seem to randomly have Evasion or stupidly high reflex saves, or stupidly high saves in general, I am still not quite sure where that "big area damage" is supposed to come from... And utility or CC also seems to have about a 1 in 10 chance of actually working out, but maybe that was just the DM.

Even if I was interested in anything with 'Waifu' in the title, that 25% chance of losing a spell every time I take a hit would be an absolute dealbreaker. Far too unpredictable for my tastes.

What about my necromancy schools. What are they going to do with that.

Is it still 2E or is it 3E then? Anyway the old rulebook is obsolete soon?!

I love these changes! My wizard is a mathemagician, aka a wizard that uses equations and mathematics to cast his spells. The idea that there could simply be an engineering school of magic that he fits into, or better yet a homebrewed school of mathemagics, is awesome. Before this mathemagics was purely just flavour on my part, with these changes I might be able to legitimately incorporate my nerdy wizards style into his mechanics and I love that.

I don't play Pathfinder currently (It's so fucking hard to find a group, you have no idea), but I might actually steal this idea for Wizards in my own creative works. We're so used to having magic be divided based on what the spells do. That can still be a thing, but having Wizards instead study spells for what they will be used for instead of a catagory of what they do is such a fucking cool way of doing it! It changes it from a "school" of magic to a LITERAL school of magic! This change open the floodgates for creativity! I'm picturing a high-magic setting where magic is something that's just regularly taught as part of the curriculum. This also makes spells way more personal for Wizards, as they are specializing into individual spells rather than an entire category. In a way, it's kinda like art. Just becuase two people are painters does it mean that they will be good in the exact same ways.

Did the fix Daze and Incapacitate? My Enchantment PC wants to know.

At first, I was very sad about the cantrip change, but I think that there is more to unpack here, especially if we ignore the example. Caustic Blast is, IMNHO, a poor example of the change as it is so very different from Acid Splash (area vs single target, AoE vs. splash damage, to-hit vs. save/suck, damage and crit damage). I believe a much fairer comparison would be Ignition from RoE and Produce Flame. The only differences are 2d4 vs. 1d4+ability mod for damage and a small damage boost for use in melee. Obviously, we need more data to say something definitive, but it appears that all that 'explanation' is just justification for replacing ability mod with an extra damage die. Not nearly as much of an issue as it appears at first glance.

I'm playing in my first 2e campaign right now, and spell components have not come up - partially because it's more of a casual game and the GM doesn't want to track them. This is somewhat unfortunate, because I'm playing a Psychic, and was excited about the notion of my character's mental components (verbal become mental, material become somatic and all somatic are subtle). It creates a situation where my character can - by the book - cast spells subtly. In a previous game, run by a different GM, we were playing 5e Curse of Strahd, and spell components DID matter. However, the only way they ever figured in was for the reality of our characters being able to cast spells (at all, or covertly). We didn't worry too much about materials ("did you make sure to collect 5 pounds of bat guano today?") but we did pay attention to verbal and somatic. Our GM's argument was that if a spell has verbal components, there's a good chance someone in the other room who you're hiding from is going to hear you chanting magical words. If it has somatic components, odds are you won't be able to use them if your character is tied to a chair with their hands behind their back. I see Manipulate as being more akin to the somatic components, though it's open-ended enough that I'd guess different tables will choose to handle it differently. Now, though, the spells have a hard trait that you can't exactly ignore because "tracking all that stuff is too cumbersome", and the point you (NoNat) make in this video about Attacks of Opportunity makes a lot of sense: It doesn't exactly matter what the flavor of the manipulation is, what matters is the mechanics. Yes, it will still open up AoO's, and yes, you probably can't do them if you're bound and gagged... unless you're a Psychic...

If they’d only kill Vancian magic …

I've not taken the PF2e dive just yet because I heard about this remaster. As soon as those books become available I'm gonna go grab 'em! Honestly, even without knowing the mechanics super well I enjoy the kinds of revisions you discussed here. Wizard schools like this are going to be such a refreshing dynamic, and multiclassing different kinds of casters is something I'd always wished was a tad easier in 5e. Looking forward to getting my hands on the remaster and seeing your videos about it!

Can't wait for a homebrew wizard school with signature spell being "testicular tortion spell"

Overall I really like these changes! Very flavorful and fun. My only concern with removing spellcasting attribute to damage is in the impact that has on the non-wizard casters who rely more on cantrips, namely Psychic and also Magus to an extent. However, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, and I actually think that if it seems like the changes nerf them too heavily then homebrewing a feature that grants them modifier to damage on cantrips would actually make them stand out and feel more distintinctive. Maybe gained at lvl 1 for Psychic, lvl 4 for Magus. Definitely something I'll keep my eye on when my players make the switch to the update version.

The new Wizard changes are so good and god I hope they remix sorcerers so that Bloodline effects are more potent, or make Signature Spells more spicy. Like maybe free action focus spell to Spellshape Signature, Heighten, give to a Familiar, or allow you to give yourself a status bonus. I just wanna see more spice and oomph. Also so glad those old schools are gone. Always found PF2E to have too many vestigial details and obstacles in its design, and helps realize the expression and ease of use when you grow from those bits.

I'm curious to see how the removal of components affects psychics. Psychics were unique in that they turned verbal and material components into mental components. This essentially meant that psychics were very unique, in that they could cast spells while holding their breath or unable to speak in some way. With the removal of components, this unique class feature is getting stripped away as well. They'll have to revise psychic spell casting a bit to make it a bit more clear what they can do with the new system. Granted, it'd be a small thing for them to lose as it's highly situational, but it was still very interesting class flavor.

There better be some crossover in spells that are on each list. Because there is NO WAY I am playing a "Civic" Wizard just to get Disintegrate.

Yay for the shoutout Ms Belladonna!!

counterpoint no ine has complained that spell casters are doing to much damage :)

Do fighters still add their STR modifier to attacks? If so, then removing the modifier for cantrips does make wizards weaker.

I am going to be one of those RU-vid commenters that think taking away the spellcasting ability modifier to cantrip damage is a bad thing it is going to nerf spellcasters particularly at low levels I have played Ckerics, Sorcerer, Magus, Bard and Summoner and I think personally adding your spellcasting ability modifier to your damage gives that little bit of consistency to keep up with the martial characters particularly as I said at low levels but that's my personal opinion I love the wizard changes in total

Secondary Detonation, is based on spell rank, so it depends on how cantrips are handled. AS long as cantrips are still cast at your highest spell rank then it all good.

The issue isn't spellcasters are weak overall it's early game they struggle and this just makes it worse.2d4 versus 1d4 plus mod just makes low rolls feel infinitely worse and means that most cantrips are just worse than pulling out a bow and attacking twice for 2d6 damage. It not only doesn't meaningful help spellcasters early it further solidifies electric arc as the only valid choice for a damage cantrip and means you never want to take a damage cantrip from dedications since it will almost certainly be worse than anything else you can use. Overall while some of the wizard stuff seems cool I'm really disappointed that paizo not only didn't meaningfully address the core issues with early spell balance but made it worse than it already was

about the spellcasting modifier i wonder if adding it to other stats other than the damage of spells would be better

Thanks for the video. I like the changes as well. Really streamlining a lot. Oh and tree of Season Can be used by an enemy, which I find super funny.

Every time I hear your into I hear, "Howdy, my name is Nonads."

Great video Nonat! I have a question whatever happened with the Sinclair’s Library books is there a place where I can order the hard copies to add to my collection? Also do you have any plans to make any more I really liked what I saw in the play test pdfs

Now I want a school of tentacles.

Very excited for these changes both mechanically and thematically. My friends and I are eager to buy the revised Pathfinder 2e rules.

I think this change indicates a far more flexible and creative approach to flavoring wizards.

That is only when they can actually hit. Unfortunately many of the enemies' saving throws against spell damage/attacks, it takes out much of the effectiveness of the caster. I get the feeling the caster was turned into a "crap shoot" to see if they do anything in the game.

I understand why they removed "schools" but not a fan. I don't hate it just feel like they purged the wizard from wizard. Now they are just a mage or magician. It probably works out in the end. They'll need to cover different types of mages then. I'll be curious if they make an illusionist style or something inline with that style of play.

I'm wondering, with the removal of specific components of spellcasting, what it would mean for the Wizard feats like Eschew Materials, Silent Spell, etc

They got rid of spell components, so does that mean you never need a free hand to cast?

Will there be a problem with touch spells, 🧛‍♂️ touch for example, triggering an attack.

The only thing I don't like, is the removal of V.S.M. I totally understand why and like how they've repalced it mechanically, but personally feels like it's taking away from flavor of Casters.

I've never played a wizard, and I've always been too scary to set your spell each day, not knowing what is coming.

I am really excited to see the full school list and start making my own homebrew ones.

One thing I dont like is that all spells have manipulate now, so melee cantrips they can just get a free opp att now if they have it. Rip melee druids lol

nice vid Nonat so any updates for gunslinger ? and have they remade Ultimite combat?

weirdly enough the Idea of using Wizard Schools is something the German DnD Clone "Dark Eye" does since the 90s. You can choose your Wizard School who all have signature Spells and Styles. Same btw with Fighters, who also can be from a Combat School.

Flavorful but risks being much weaker than what wizards were before. And they were never considered remotely the best. GM allowance in base class feature is never fun or compelling

I'm going to miss spell schools like abjuration, conjuration, etc, since i've literally known them my entire life - but I am not against this change at all. In my own settings I may just keep them in there as flavor, if not any mechanical benefit. Love the new system though, as the curriculums sound really fun. I don't mind the removal of +spellcasting modifier to damage. Removal of components is fine for me - it was sometimes hard to deal with them anyways (Like charm making you wave your hands around like an idiot and speak in a loud clear voice). I think having some be more easily 'hidden' spells is really good for a lot of lesser-used wizards like illusionists and enchanters (there I go using spell schools again :P) Looking forward to everything more than I was when I first heard the news!

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I like that the Wizard subclass actually seems to matter with these changes. Sure, some of the flavor changes with that other company's Wizard, but I always felt like I was playing the same Wizard with a different coat. We'll see if it actually changes, but it seems promising.

I want to know how "Cover Spell" "Silent Spell" works with the removal of spell components. Also are spells still obvious (they have an obvious "rune" whilst casting as per raw) it's in the Lost omens Travel guide.

School of metamagic, which brings back chain-spell spells, high level spell that casts a series of low level spells.

There is one thing about removing components that I think may not have been accounted for and that is the verbal component. Currently, spells that require a verbal component require you to actually speak 'in a loud voice' in order to cast them. Theyre repalcing verbal with Cocentrate... but NOT with Auditory. Concentrate only means you need 'a degree of mental concentration and discipline.', and it's the Auditory trait that means the action 'can be successfully performed only if the creature using the action can speak or otherwise produce the required sounds'. Does this now mean that spellcasters no longer need to speak? Does this mean that spellcasters can now more easily cast spells from stealth, thus potentially making Eldritch trickster rogues more viable? I'm genuinely curious if Paizo thought about this during this redesign for spell components.

What's going to happen to meta magic based on verbal or somatic components, like silent spell or conceal spell?

Edit: I wrote this before watching the video. I hope that wizards turn into a ‘generalist’ arcane class and they make new class for the specialists; illusionists, necromancer, etc.

i will likely just house rule that cantrips get spell casting modifier to damage. Honestly i think they went in the wrong direction with this one.

Not Nonat calling out Meli in a sponsorship section LMAOOOOO

I'm all for these changes frankly. Granted I just got into PF2E last year and was a 5E DnD guy before that, and a 2E DnD guy before -that-! I've been adjusting a changing A LOT these last couple of years but I don't view that as a bad thing. I'll have a soft spot in my heart for VSM, but I'm ok with it going the way of the THAC0. I am curious how silence will be handled when it comes to casters, though I suspect what they'll do is have a separate "You can't cast magic right now" spell, or since it's all manipulate now stun might be enough. I trust Paizo at this point. Looking forward to getting the books.

I'm wondering how spells like silence will be worded with the removal of verbal components

Very excited for this

Disagree hard on removing the ability modifier to damage on cantrips. This is one of the things I preferred over 5e, that even if you rolled like crap you still did a bare minimum of damage. Especially at low levels. Now even if you hit on your spell attack roll you can see your caster roll minimum damage, like my firebolt-flinging wizard in 5e. I think this is one time player satisfaction should override consistency of design, but what do I know?

School of feathers vs school of entire chicken...

Weird that Thunderstrike is replacing Shocking Grasp after all. To me it looks more like a modified Lightning Bolt that you can start casting at a lower level. Meanwhile it's different enough from Shocking Grasp that I see no reason both spells couldn't coexist. I think unless the remaster does something to surprise me I'm still going to allow Shocking Grasp at my table in addition to Thunderstrike.

I think you mixed up the wizard scaling, you're going to do 2d8 at level 4, which is more or less the same as typical spell level scaling. so 2d8 as a 2nd level spell, 3d8 as a 3rd. It's not as bad as all that. That said... No wizards have not been in a good space, the incapacitate tag sucks, they do a lot of damage to enemies nobody cares about, this hurts them pretty badly. Obviously the utility of wizards will remain high but the removal of casting ability score damage makes them far too RNG and swingy, there's a reason that ability score damage exists it's to make players not feel as shitty when they get bad damage rolls. you have some consistent damage that you control. Paizo may say that their damage was too high or something but it really wasn't, again big aoe damage hits a bunch of enemies that more or less don't matter, their job in the encounter is literally to give the wizard something to show off with and tax their spell slots. They don't need to be doing more of that, nor do the wizards need to get further screwed against boss type enemies, where they already contribute very little.

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I the ability modifier to spell. It showed the personal strength and skill of the spell caster plus it's more helpful at lower level then higher one.

Wizards are MY favorite class…except when they’re not

The Secondary Detonation is great in my book because even if the enemy gets wise to it and moves to avoid the blast, you're still forcing your opponent to use an action to scramble around on the battlefield. If your enemy was in a specific spot mid-battle, chances are this position was useful to them; forcing them to move to avoid damage should usually be an advantage, even before counting them using up an action for it.

What about alchemist? will they see any change (buffs) ? and magus?

Just now I noticed the Visser 3 in the back!

It will never be as versatile as mage the ascension.

What does this mean for the magus arcane cascade?

It's like how magic could work from the animation fairy tale And could we get rid of spells per day and move to a mana pool system?!

Looks nice!

Most spells have the Manipulate trait which causes reactive strike.

So product wise, getting the Arcane spell deck or Occult spell deck, will be useless to get now. better to wait until they start sellling Remastered version of these sort of products.

Is Sinclair's every going to ship?