@@gurugulab1414 Well technically the exact words that he said the them back then were, "Go fuck yourself." But yeah. The message carries the same meaning nonetheless.
yee but younger Charles saying "f off" to Logan right before that was even better imho just for the ironic taste of his own medicine comeback and also callback to X-Men: First Class of course 😅🤣
You can't blame Logan either for snapping at Charles, especially since he KNOWS what is going to happen, and how it scares him, as well as how he must be bothered seeing Charles at one of the lowest ebbs in his life.
"I've been in alot of wars. I've never seen anything like this" That would have been it to convince me to help him. Wolverine was in ww2 and vietnam and practically every major conflict from the late 19th century to the end of the 20th century. He has seen truly heinous shit. He has seen it all , for him to say this was worse than the rest is crazy.
Well if you compare it like this, it will be like the Nazis killing Germans that have black or jewish dna in them. That's what the humans did in this case. They not only slaughtered mutants, but humans as well that have the potential to give birth to mutants.
As Hugh got older and more rugged, he actually started to look more like the comic Wolverine. Had they done some camera tricks to make him look 5'3" he'd have been perfect!
I think the line that really gets me in this, is that the Future isn't just humans slaughtering mutants. Its a throwaway line that many of the humans tried to help, it wasn't a tiny minority. Xavier got his wish. Many, maybe even a plurality of humans saw what was happening and didn't stand for it. Humanity stepped up. Humans and Mutants working together. And they were *slaughtered* by the billions for it. We don't see at which point Magneto and Xavier started working together again, but I think that was it. Charles was right that fundamentally humans and mutants could coexist. He was just wrong that it would make a difference.
This Xmen series is about Anti White brainwashing if you oblivious normies haven't noticed. The narrative you all failed to pickup is that this is about how the universally all evil and horrifying word that's merely just an emotion (Hate) is how Genocide starts with Jews, Blacks or Non White so called racial "minorities" starts in America or indeed in any Western European nation on earth. But for some subversive reason, the narrative never involves Non White nations giving in to "hate", biggotry and "racism". The movie is what we call indoctritainment. I doubt any of you heard of that acutely intelligent word. Genius word. I forgot who invented it. None the less, that briefly sums up what the underlying foundation is for the motive of this movies creation. So called "hate" of caucasian Western nations and only caucasian, western countries. Because don't you know, there is another holocaust right around the corner, 24 hours a day, seven days a week but only in Western European nations because something, something the European race distinctly and only is apparently responsible for everything wrong with the world. I hope this comment wakes some of you up before it's censored. because the truth is illegal right now in the post-modern Western world. Simple as it may be, wake up. Your so called "leaders" hate you and want you to suffer. That's out to all my people reading this. Whites.
He always knew cohabitation wouldn't be feasible. He wrote a paper at Oxford about it. The Neanderthals seeing us, (homosapiens) as aberrations. He knew history would repeat itself with Mutantkind.
“He’s just lost too much”. The portrayal is fantastic that they make him almost like a heroin addict. Except his addiction is to numb the pain, to silence the voices that he hears, and lastly to mask the pain that he feels from losing everything that ever mattered to him. The choice to make a young Xavier as battle scarred and someone that lost their way adds so much depth to his character. His noble stoicism as an adult means that much more when you see his growth from a broken man
@@MrGatonegroish I agree but here I feel it’s necessary. The professor numbs all feeling because he lost everything that ever mattered. His friends, his crush, his love, and his brother. He was battered by the world and it’s perception of mutants. He couldn’t stay as Professor X because he lost his will to go on. His own medicine was to escape through drugs to silence his own powers. He wanted to dissociate with all things mutant because he believed that’s what caused all of his pain. Such a great theme to explore for the man that fought so hard to preserve compassion and love in his students. A man that lost it all was broken and it took his most stubborn student to break him free from his own mental prison. Logan showed professor X that despite the world being corrupt and spiteful, Mutants can live amongst people as an ally. Just because they are different doesn’t mean they need to be ostracized. The restraint of raven at the end to not cause any more pain truly was the cherry on top. The professor not only got through to his first mutant friend but he forged the way for mutants and humans to coexist. Logan was able to pull the professor from his darkest days as the professor was able to pull Logan from his darkest days. A clever juxtaposition to explore the relationship between the two. The professors most pain in the ass student was the one that was able to save him from his own mind. He saved the professor from the same thing that plagued himself, his own mind. This is by far my favorite X-men movie. It’s not perfect but it just hits damm hard
That is because in the original comic the substance he was taking was supposed to BE Heroin, but was changed due to the CCA pitching a bitch about it. But fundamentally the effect of the symbolism is the same. One of many battles Stan Lee and Jack Kirby had with the CCA over the years.
@@AgentExeider and it makes some of the most sense. X-men in general have almost toed the line with social and personal issues as well as social commentary on its era. This scene felt very reminiscent of the Chris Claremont era. It shows a weaker side of the strongest character in professor X as well as shows an empathetic side of one of the most crass characters in the entire franchise in Wolverine. It was a great way to strengthen their relationship in an unlikely way
The main fuck up was not bothering to age the characters as they approached the original X-Men trilogy timeline. It became more frank how little James McAvoy actually looks like Patrick Stewart, or Michael Fassbender as Ian McKellen.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 I think both, the first class team with Darwin and all the others doesn’t make any sense and in terms of continuity they go around the globe like time doesn’t exist
"I've been in a lot of wars, I'd never seen anything like this." You gotta believe Logan when such words like this comes out from his mouth, the dude basically experience all world wars.
Loved this one.. every other one was all about how hard someone's else's life was but in this one we got to see the prof break and stand on his feet again
Nah, curing paralysis in this universe would be braindead easy. Hank himself is literally transforming in to a creature with an entirely different genetic makeup. That alone suggests that his skeletal structure has to change to accommodate for his ability to effectively run on all fours and jump around like a monkey, otherwise he'd be the one with paralysis in a normal body attempting that. The directors were pretty on-point to suggest that Hank himself would likely have a solution for Charle's defects using his own body as a catalyst for health research. The issue that you're catching on to is how the implications are endless but the directors have to dumb it down to make it relatable and understandable for us to rationalize.
It has been quite a long time, but I think he didn't cure anything. Charles' paralysis was no illness. It was the result of his entire nervous system being focused on his telepathic capabilities. When Hank surpressed this mutation, the nerve capacity to control his legs simply returned as a side effect, since it wasn't used otherwise anymore.
@AliothAncalagon Charles is paralyzed because Magneto had accidently deflected a bullet that Moira had fired to neutralize him and hits Charles instead.
You know i believe that in the original timeline Charles lost his hair as a side effect due to taking too much of the serum which therefore started taking less of the serum to get his powers back which will lead him to becoming paralyzed again cause in a flashback from X3 and X-Men Origins Wolverine we see a young Charles walking, still having his powers and of course has no hair.
There's actually an explanation to his hair loss and his powers being linked. His telepathy gives out a kind chemo signal. So his body reacts to it in kind. So he's not actually permanently bald, his power just doesn't let his hair grow
Extremely sad headcanon; sometime after Charles began taking too much of the serum, Hank tries to wane him off the medication, right? That part is canon. Charles, not being in the right mind, begins to think he’s becoming a burden for Hank, and tries to commit suicide, how is not important. Hank saves him, and the reason he has not tried to get Charles off the serum again is because he’s too afraid of the alternative method that Charles will use to make the voice go away.
I can relate to charles xavier. MJ and alcohol were my best friends in my 3 years of college.. because i lost too much. Betrayed by my 2 best friends, broke up with my boyfriend, got bullied, my parents dont support me, my business got bankrupt. Too much 😢
Young Charles Xavier has one of the best character arcs in a superhero movie in this film. It's super compelling. As well as James Mcavoy's performance
I didn’t understand this scene when I watched it for the first time as a teen, but now I do. Life beats you down to where you just wanna numb yourself..
Dark Phoenix hahahahaha what a piece of flying, swimming, garbage. Loool. That movie had no redeemable qualities as you said. Its a joke. Charles lacked motion on Raven's death and it felt almost like it wasn't produced well. Apocalypse was okay but yeah DOFP was just so much better with emotion, story depth and character development! They should have just ended it there.
The issue was that Fox just tried too hard to turn the X-Men franchise into something like the Avengers with Apocalyse and that's never what the X-Men has been about. Its always been been far better when it's focused on the battling ideologies of Charles and Erik and how they are both completely justified in their beliefs. Its not about battling a giant villain. Soon as they went that direction with the franchise it failed.
@@Noobie2k7 well,you are trying to make an avenger and your main character is missing. Logan should have joined the fight at the end. That would bring more money
@@omnia9348 He basically is like f..k the future and makes everything worse by trying to kill young Mystique then later manipulating her, Starts a war with the whloe Humans vs Mutants crap like future Magneto (Ian McKellen) has done in the trilogy
@@romellomalone368 They said they needed magneto because mystique would only listen to him at the time, but things changed, then at that point magneto was needed in order for mystique to seem heroic and cancel the sentinel program
How did they go from this masterpiece to the piece of crap that was X-Men: Apocalypse? I'll never forgive them for botching it this badly. This franchise had SO MUCH POTENTIAL! Under the right guidance, it could have been a good contender to Marvel MCU.
I feel like there had to be some reasons as to why they rushed things. I've always felt like X-men is at its best when it's about the issues between humans and mutants and those struggles. X-men is very rarely about fighting some big powerful villain. Apocalypse is like the only one really. It's why Magneto will always be the best X-men villain because it's not about crazy superpowered fights with world ending consequences it's all about the fight between two equally valid and justified ideologies.
@@Noobie2k7 apocalypse could have been just as compelling as magneto. But they wrote him like a generic big bad villain. The opening monologue where Xavier describes Apocalypse as someone who has a misguided god complex was interesting but they didnt follow up on it.
@@Charzhino lmao I heard that too, when "me too" happened he was implicated in alot of nasty shit and disappeared for awhile. I dont think the producers made a fuss about it because they didnt want to deal with the negative press.
Actually, When Charles & Eric approached Logan in that bar, without even turning around, Logan said "Go fuck Yourself" NOT Fuck off. How'd the Writers get that wrong ??
I think it was mentioned by the writers of First Class, the original line Logan said to Charles and Eric was "fuck off". Hugh Jackman improvised the line "go fuck yourself" and director Matthew Vaughn kept it in the film
Mark, he's an addict- not my godfather on the stage reciting Shakespeare. We understood what he meant. When they approached Logan, he wasn't in any mood to help/save anybody. Charles is claiming that same right- to be left the frig alone- for himself. That's all.
2:20 *Listen to me, you little shit. I've come a long way, and I've watched a lot of people die. Good people. Friends. If you're gonna wallow in self-pity... and do nothing, then you're gonna watch the same thing... you understand?*
From this scene, it seems like Charles could be eased off the drugs (i.e., balanced it like Hank), he would’ve regained his abilities and maintained his ability to walk.
He did in the original timeline, he was walking and kept his powers in Wolverine Origins and The last stand Jean's childhood flashback, it's just that the serum weakened his powers and he stopped taking it to fully focus on sealing Jean's power.
@@braveryatitsfinest1569 yeah I know but still.... One of the prominent physical feature of wolverine is that... He is short.... Same with prof x... He is bald... U take that away.... It feels odd
While i understand Xavier's own memory is hazy in this, i think its hilariously poetic that he does not actually say what Wolverine said to them in First Class. Quite a good summary of the Xmen continuity
Kinda liked Charlie's reply. Why, sure was good (technically still) but when asked for help was told to f off. But other way, suddenly not accepted. I liked this because of school. Saw nerds paired up with bullies/people who didn't care in projects. They asked for help AND told "go f yourself". Results comes and the bullies got 0s. (Profressor knew they did nothing) They were given a harder project. If not done fail class. No help allowed. So many went to the "nerds" like Logan here in a pissed way. The nerds sure got scared, but happy they got punished.
I wish the two actresses would get together and make a movie @@I-speak-U-shut-it. Just the two of them, no other actors. They're not even wearing clothes, no props, nothing. That'd be a fine movie.
Iirc Hugh Jackman said that Logan was supposed to be in a different universe but the director later claimed it was canon. You can believe whoever you want probably.
I've thought about this a lot. Wolverine references events of the first X-Men movie- like they hadn't been erased. If they had been, how would Charles even know about them? If Wolverine had told him about them, wouldn't he comment that they'd been erased? I've thought about THIS one a lot: The events of X-Men: Apocalypse would have produced a world radically different than the one we live in. I don't see that in Logan.
There’s always a consequence for changing the future. That consequence is costing wolverines future to alter and him losing his mutant healing factor. His death
This was a really good movie to end the X-Men saga, I feel like they should've stopped after this one and had the Logan movie be the swan song of this franchise
Sucks that their intention to free Erik turned itself against them in the end and instead of trying to stop Mystique and turn her back to good he just decided to kill her instead. But.. were he not saved here, he couldn't have a family in the future.. two.. three even. First Pietro, then his dead family in Apocalypse and then his true family - Charles and the mutants from the island. He caused more suffering by being saved but at the same time he had a chance for redemption and finally turn out well years prior to his dark descent he would have in original trilogy.
