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Wolverine vs Kodak Reels Capture Quality Black And White Film 

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In this video, I wanted to see if there was any quality difference between the Wolverine 8mm Film Digitizer and the Kodak Reels 8mm Film Digitizer using an old 8mm Abbott and Costello film.
You can find either one of these machines on Amazon. Here are the links.
Kodak Reels: amzn.to/453cDj3
Wolverine: amzn.to/3QBMvaJ
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@HunterLohseRRVideos
@HunterLohseRRVideos 5 месяцев назад
This is extremely helpful, this gave me everything I needed to get ready for upgrading from my telecine/multiplexor setup
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT 5 месяцев назад
Thank you! Happy transferring!
@michaeloconnor1041
@michaeloconnor1041 4 месяца назад
Thanks for your helpful comparison video of these two units. I have used the Wolverine scanner for a few years now. and know it very well. I read a lot of owner comments of the Wolverine complaining about jitter and flicker when transfering their films. They assume that the fault is with the machine itself. This is not my experience. More often than not the issue lies with the brand of SD card being used. Cheap unbranded SD cards are the culprit. I have found that Lexar or Sandisk cards produce rock solid transfers using the Wolverine or similar type scanners (they are all made in the same factory anyway...just branded under a plethora of different names e.g. Relecta,Winait etc). I hope this is helpful information to veiwers of your channel.
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT 4 месяца назад
Thank you! I am sure that your comment will be helpful. FYI I have never had an issue and I do use good brands of cards like you do
@loadcartoons
@loadcartoons Год назад
I personally would go with the Kodak, mostly for editing leverage. crushed blacked are a pain to work with because detail is gone.
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT Год назад
I just made the switch to the Kodak. I have been using the wolverine for years now and I like the Kodak beta for various reasons. Video to come in a few weeks with my reasons.
@patrickcardon1643
@patrickcardon1643 Год назад
I noticed the lack of details in the blacks on the Wolverine too... it must also depend on the automatic whitebalance on the machines and on the movie scene. You can always correct the darkness in your software, whereas if the blacks are crushed it can't be brought back
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT Год назад
@@patrickcardon1643 Very true about the blacks. I clean things up in post when necessary.
@tlatosmd7074
@tlatosmd7074 5 месяцев назад
My guess is the Wolverine is made to please amateurs who don't know that video and comp screens have a different gamma, thus it's slapping more contrast on it to give darker shadows on a comp monitor.
@dalehammond1749
@dalehammond1749 27 дней назад
This video is very informative, thanks. I've been using the Wolverine Pro for several years. I'm sure I've digitalized a good 2,000 feet of 8 and Super 8 film. My experience was I got a lot of noise in every scan. I used an old version of PowerDirector to partially remove the noise and correct the speed. Had it not been for noise removal software I would have returned the Wolverine. I'd love to see an improved low cost film digitizer and I'm sure I'm not alone. However, this probably isn't possible in an affordable price range.
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT 26 дней назад
I’d pay a bit more for a scanner that produces better results.
@Realmusicvideo
@Realmusicvideo Год назад
Professional and well executed comparison testing.
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT Год назад
Thank you very much!
@johngriffin4831
@johngriffin4831 Год назад
Thanks for the nice videos. I have the Wolverine and have noticed some pronounced frame jitter when digitising super 8 colour film. It seems to be due to variation in the placement of the frames during scanning. Have you noticed this and does the Kodak Reels do any better in this respect?
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT Год назад
I found that the Kodak Reels produces a smoother video. Also, if you do end up getting a Kodak, I believe the latest version is "Reels" with an "S". The older version is "Reelz" with a "Z". I've seen a few negative videos about the Kodak "Z". But the two I have work great.
@craigw.scribner6490
@craigw.scribner6490 Год назад
I'm a subscriber to your channel and really appreciate your videos. One thing: it's Final Cut Pro TEN (Roman Numeral "X"), not Final Cut Pro "Ex." Just letting you know as a friend! Thanks again and please keep up the good work!
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT Год назад
I never really thought about it. I fly on my own here and have always called it "ex". I guess because they skipped 8 and 9 then threw in a roman numeral just to confuse people like me. Anyway, I appreciate your comment and the way you were nice about it. Thank you so much for being a wonderful subscriber! People like you makes me keep going with the videos.
@rossjbeattie
@rossjbeattie Год назад
I am really appreciative of your videos very informative. Just a question and beyond my technical ability but do you think the sensor in the converter COULD be upgraded and still potentially work. I’ve thought about this for a while as these converters have remained the same for the past several years
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT Год назад
That is a good question. Yes, I do think that the sensor could be upgraded if Wolverine or Kodak really wanted to. I guess it comes down to price. How much extra would it cost them to upgrade to a one inch sensor and how much would a consumer be willing to pay for this kind of upgrade. Thank you so much for watching and please make sure to subscribe to support the channel if you have not already. I would greatly appreciate it!!!
@tlatosmd7074
@tlatosmd7074 5 месяцев назад
I'm afraid a better sensor alone won't do with the Wolverine. The results look to me like it has cheap plastic for its optics, whereas the Kodak has real glass optics.
@ilichcastillo
@ilichcastillo 4 месяца назад
pretty useful. Thanks
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT 4 месяца назад
Glad it was helpful!
@stefan.holst65
@stefan.holst65 Год назад
Hi, nice and educational video. I got the Kodak Reels my selves and is happy with it. I have not noticed the digital artifacts myself but as you show they are there. I think it's a soft ware, or a combination of soft ware and slow computation hard ware problem. The Kodak sensor is huge and need to compress the sensor data a lot. The Wolverine sensor is more the same pixel size that the output file and do not need the same compression. It would be interesting to see a still frame, scanned by a neutral camera, of the Abbott and Castello movie. I think the sepia colors is more accurate than the black on the Wolverine?
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT Год назад
You maybe right about the sepia color being more accurate. I do like the black better though. I will scan a couple of frames on my scanner. Maybe that will make a good video! Please subscribe to the channel if you have not already. I'd greatly appreciate the support!
@stefan.holst65
@stefan.holst65 Год назад
@@TheMediaNerdMT the black and white look might have the look you are after but I prefer to create the look in post. Nice if you can find out what the film looks like, not affected by any digital processing by these machines . 🙂
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT Год назад
This Sunday I have a video coming out that compares the two machines using 8mm color film. That may answer the question about the sepia color.
@lannieschafroth6814
@lannieschafroth6814 16 дней назад
I saw a video showing to NOT zoom with the Wolverine and do the crop later in post editing. This makes a huge difference. The video with the digital zoom of the converter is riddled with compression artifacts. The video with no zoom is virtually artifact free.
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT 16 дней назад
I did a zoom comparison using the Kodak reels which will come out next week. Subscribe so you can check it out. I will do a zoom comparison with the Wolverine to see how that does. Thanks for your comment and watching!
@patrickdelafon8618
@patrickdelafon8618 9 месяцев назад
The main problem with these kind of units is compression noise. Not much use having more pixels if the compression noise is similar or greater... Unless of course if the compression can be omitted with the Kodak unit, wich would solve the issue (of course generating very large files, but at least you can process non compressed files then compress them at will). So, does the Kodak unit offer to select non compressed files ?
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT 9 месяцев назад
No, it does not.
@patrickdelafon8618
@patrickdelafon8618 9 месяцев назад
Hum... I have come to think that the compression is embedded in the camera chip (not on the control board), thus the compression rate cannot be changed. Those camera chips are designed essentially for video surveyance camera, for which high compression is paramount so that one can keep scene records on disk for a decent span of time (many days or weeks)... Those chips were never designed for high quality capture... And the market for high quality capture chips is so tiny that nobody can finance the development of a camera chip with selectable compression rate...
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT 9 месяцев назад
Interesting
@tlatosmd7074
@tlatosmd7074 5 месяцев назад
@@patrickdelafon8618 There are professional telecine units, also for Regular8 and Super8, with a more decent compression rate and thus struggling a lot less with grain, but they cost $20,000 a piece, while outputting a DV stream.
@wubjo
@wubjo 2 месяца назад
Wolverine can only use max 32GB SD card while Kodak can use 128GB SD card, huge diff in storage flexibility. Although Kodak will likely also NEED more space by virtue of its higher resolution scanning per frame. Kodak also has wider spectrum of reel sizes up to 9" while Wolverine limit to 5" unless you use their PRO version then 7".
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT 2 месяца назад
You are correct. Thank you for your comment
@eastkingstonnh
@eastkingstonnh Год назад
If they could both just get that nasty compression issue fixed.
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT Год назад
That would be nice. They could make a pro model for professionals that would be a bit more expensive that I would pay for then keep the existing model for consumers.
@G6JPG
@G6JPG 8 месяцев назад
Though the movie is fun, to really compare, it would be better to show a still image from both, and zoom in on it. And I presume both of them have exposure controls.
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT 8 месяцев назад
Yes, they do have exposure controls which the other video shows. However, most people prefer to do adjustments on a computer leaving the raw file how it is.
@tlatosmd7074
@tlatosmd7074 5 месяцев назад
The way I see it, the Kodak has the higher resolution, which results in it picking up more of the original film grain, which in turn has the identical bitrate of the compression codec struggle more, resulting in more artifacts. If one was to conservatively de-noise the footage prior to compression, it would be more obvious that the Kodak scans it at a higher resolution. You can also see the Kodak is more consistent on the contrast, whereas the Wolverine has more of a flicker issue when auto-compensating for image content.
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT 5 месяцев назад
Thank you for your knowledgeable comment!
@tlatosmd7074
@tlatosmd7074 5 месяцев назад
@@TheMediaNerdMT Another solution would be to scan well-exposed footage taken on slow (low-ASA) stock (25 ASA or 40 ASA), as it has less grain, so the Kodak's low bitrate won't have to struggle as much and it's gonna look better than when scanning grainy footage.
@juliusvalentinas
@juliusvalentinas Год назад
After struggling with these cheap scanners, i ended sending my films to professional scanning for a fraction of the cost to a small company gamafix, they scanned 8mm film, super8 film at 4K no problem, retouched the film etc. Output was whatewer i eanted including tiff files lossless
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT Год назад
What ever it takes
@toyguy1956
@toyguy1956 2 месяца назад
I only found it scans at 30 fps which I found to be a bit fast later I slowed it down to to make it a bit more natural
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT 2 месяца назад
The Wolverine or the Kodak? I believe the Kodak is 20fps.
@joepacheco7979
@joepacheco7979 4 месяца назад
I think reel size limitations was a difference, with the Wolverine having smaller reels. Unless that was the pro version. Not sure.
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT 4 месяца назад
I was using the pro version which takes the larger reels.
@Ni5ei
@Ni5ei Год назад
I'm watching this on a tablet but I really think the Kodak shows more details than the Wolverine.
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT Год назад
I agree. I like the Kodak over the Wolverine
@MichaelCarter
@MichaelCarter Месяц назад
Looked like the Kodak had more detail in darks.
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT Месяц назад
Agreed
@moseslam784
@moseslam784 4 месяца назад
Saya . Minta Proyektor nya yang ngga ke pakai tq...
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT 4 месяца назад
Sorry
@speakeasyarchives8764
@speakeasyarchives8764 11 месяцев назад
I'm not trying to be mean. But there are registration issues with these scanners. Also, they can have a tendency to scratch film. If you have any sprocket issues, it will not scan properly. And the list goes on and on. You get what you pay for. 90% of people that need their family films transferred. You can get them done professionally for about the same price as buying these 2 plastic film scanners.
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for your comment.
@alv.tambolleo2978
@alv.tambolleo2978 10 месяцев назад
A tv that can read and display a scan disc
@alv.tambolleo2978
@alv.tambolleo2978 10 месяцев назад
Don't have a computer. Will a smart tv display a scan disc?
@alv.tambolleo2978
@alv.tambolleo2978 10 месяцев назад
The cable that connects to the TV for viewing while digitizeing, can it pass from recorded video on scan disk to smart TV
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT 10 месяцев назад
I don't know what you mean by scan disc. Do you mean a San Disk sd card? If so, your TV would need a SD reader.
@alv.tambolleo2978
@alv.tambolleo2978 10 месяцев назад
@@TheMediaNerdMT yes, I'm a novice.
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT 10 месяцев назад
After thinking about your situation, this is what I came up with. Go to your local computer store (Best Buy, Office Depot or even Amazon and get yourself a SD card reader that has a USB port. You should be able to plug the reader into your smart TV and play the media from the SD card. Please make sure to subscribe to help support the channel if you have not already.
@dagee234
@dagee234 4 месяца назад
my wolverine broke after about 5 or 6 reels or so and is now unusable. As soon as you push record, it moves just a titch and then turns into a brick. Construction is likely very marginal.
@TheMediaNerdMT
@TheMediaNerdMT 4 месяца назад
Like all machines there will be ones that breakdown. I have had to return my fair share. Return it.
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