Chris Stuckmann reviews Wonder Woman 1984, starring Gal Gadot, Chris Pine, Kristen Wiig, Pedro Pascal, Robin Wright, Connie Nielsen. Directed by Patty Jenkins.
OMG, LOL, you're right!! How does a wish-fulfilling artifact ensure the fall of civilization when so many people must be wishing for world peace?! It's HYSTERICAL!!!!
My biggest WTF moment was the realization that Dianna did that amazing flying lasso lightning scene just to go to her apartment blocks away. Not to chase the bad guy in the helicopter....
I had to actually pause and ask my family if she just learned to fly or learned to fall gracefully... we still don’t really know. Is the lasso like Thor’s Hammer now? Can just straight fly like Superman? It was one of the dumbest/ most convoluted parts of the movie... and the sad things it was supposed to be one the impact emotional parts.
Bruce Almighty did it better and at least they undertood that you also need to deal with the consecuenses...not everything will be magically erase by the power of a cute speech
I'm 100% sure that the concept behind this movie was "I want to make a Wonder Woman movie set in the 80's, but I wish Chris Pine could still be in it."
I don't get why they didn't go the way of the TV show. They cast the same actor as Steve's descendant, and they could have easily shown the two of them slowly falling in love and having her come to terms with that.
@@misspriss2482 steves decendants? a guy she fell in love with at a relatively joung age, who died in the first movie?..... how do you think decendants works exactly?
"It's going to be very difficult for Wonder Woman to convince Billions of people in the world to retract their wishes." "Super easy barley an inconvenience!"
The whole idea was “bring back Steve Trevor”...now let’s write a story that will make that happen... but how? Oh, she makes a wish. Great! Write that story...
@@MusicStudent1 Who is the bad guy? Seriously people like you, seeing their agenda in everything and writing such stupid comments is worse than any spoiler of the actual movie.
@@MusicStudent1 people only claimed that cuze of that article that was put out a while back there really isn't any comparison between Maxwell and trump personality wise
Exactly. The only part I liked was when that couple was fighting and the mans like “I wish you would drop dead” and then when hes renouncing his wish some chick is performing CPR and I bursted into laughter cuz it was so fucking funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The only thing i can think is there'd be no cold war references. The only reason I think it's set in 1984 is because it's referencing the dystopian novel of the same name. But your right. Could've been set in a later date and nothing would really change!
@@itsflowerside It’s hardly a matter of why this film specifically than it is the severity of the issues in the film in question. Additionally the moral implications of non consensual sex. That is not Chris Pine’s body. The issues just continue from there. It’s severe enough to not be ignored for the spectacle. In my case that is.
@@itsflowerside Even walking tree and talking racoon in GOTG is more logical than this movie. But the movie is so bad its become very entertaining just like the room.
@@itsflowerside Superhero movies have been held to a higher standard ever since the first Blade movie and the first X-Men movie. Even more so after Batman Begins. Things need to make sense within the context of the movie and in relation to their prequels/sequels. Im surprised I dont see people here commenting on the glaring fact that both nations launched all their nukes not just the extra ones they wished for that disappeared after they renounced them...smh
@@worshipcatalyst1 Not sure how old he was, but we know as of 2016 he had been Batman for at least 20 years. It's safe to say his parents were long dead in 1984. This is the problem with the DCEU. They tried to compete with Marvel's MCU but wanted to have their big Avengers team-up stuff right away instead of putting the groundwork in first. So now the whole thing has splintered and they're churning out standalone films that can't even decide whether or not they're part of a shared universe anymore. The result is an endless stream of uninspired junk that would have been considered passably mediocre 20 years ago, let alone now.
Yeah, they really should have cut that out. Have Max give up his wish which also erases all the wishes he gave. Simpler and more believable then every person on earth giving up their wish. They literally say that it will all be reversed if the stone is destroyed and him revoking his wish is destroying the stone so it even had an in universe explanation lol They just decided to ignore that because they really wanted that cheesy montage of people revoking their wishes.
Well the whole thing is pretty much a Trump allegory, and the filmmakers are engaging in a little wish fulfillment. You see, they wish the country would disavow Trump's false reality.
I can't believe the directors, producers, and actors watched a screening of this movie and actually thought it was good enough to release to the public.
I think by the time they had seen the finished product it was too late to change the entire movie (because there were only a few parts of this movie that I would consider worth keeping and the rest should have honestly been scraped). But then again that raises the question of why, before even filming, these people looked at the script and thought “hey this is pretty good”.
Honestly I thought Hans zimmers score was forgettable It’s like he read the script and went “this ain’t worth my full effort I’m just gonna make some quick music collect my paycheck and leave”
Wait, that was Zimmer? Also for the big flying emotional scene, they didn't even use an original score, they used Sunshine by John Murphy... I have a feeling it was really just Zimmer's underlings doing all the work with his name slapped on it.
Exactly. The background score was a big big letdown. One of the main flaws. It never build up any moment. I found it boring and even grating at times. I don't know and don't care who the Zimmerman is.
In BVS, Diana stated that she disappeared from mankind after WW1. A proper sequel would have been an event where Diana had to go back to Themyscira to save someone, which could have explored Diana’s world and the old gods.
I think this movie should've been about Diana and Steve in a James Bond-like story, always away from the public, and Maxwell Lord should've been his comic self: a mind-controlling, self-interested, power-hungry secret agent.
I got to be honest, when I watched the trailer, I thought Steve will be like Bucky in Winter Soldier, got brainwashed by the enemy and Diana get forced to fight him. But, nope! This is just like an episode of Fairly Odd Parents when whenever Timmy making a wish, it's always fucked up and Timmy needs to fix his mistake.
Even the mall action scene was pointless, WW was flying all over the place for basically no reason as all "enemies" (the robbers) were doing nothing, just staring in awe (some with a gun in hand but still not doing a thing with it), and there she is moving and jumping around where she just could have captured them with her lasso in 3 seconds. pointless action scene.
Those types of scenes are in a lot of superhero sequels. This one is one of the worst versions of that scene because the bad guys are so non-threatening.
My friend keeps defending this movie and I just tell her “hey, Diana sexually assaulted that dude, and you got no problem with that?” She has yet to give a response
What I didn’t like about the movie was that there was no consequences for the villians. Wonder Woman was just like “don’t be bad anymore” and they were like “ok” and that was it.
i liked his acting and his role. It was extremely captivating. It felt like the rest of the cast couldn't keep up with his energy level. Gal seemed like she didn't even enjoy beeing in the movie.
@@socratese5 you know he wears glasses made out of kryptonian glass which perceives the way people see him. Obviously we know its superman but its harder to notice for the characters in the movie/series/comic
For real. I was really enjoying it and wondering where it could go. Once Steve came back and Max Lord stole the dreamstone, that’s when I checked out. It felt like they were just trying to fill for time after that first act because this story does not fill the run time of the movie. You could cut this movie to 90 minutes and with some fixes and tweaks it would be loads better.
I think if he wasn't in it I wouldn't have liked it as much. I still enjoyed the movie a lot but I just thought the character was great and just made the movie so much better
WHY was she not electrocuted but Cheetah was?????? Cheetah wished for the same strength as WW. And WW was like.... wearing metal armour... in water.... *brain shatters*
Because shortly before this the movie showed she knows how to ride the lightning! *metal riff* Seriously, I just assumed being the daughter of a god who wields thunderbolts makes you immune to electrocution.
Tell me I'm not the only one who died when Steve faintly yelled 'bye Diana, I'll always love you' in the same tone as 'bye buddy, hope you find your dad.'
RU-vid *How Gal Godot got ripped to play Wonder Woman* @Anandu Pradeep responded with #1 comment in IMHO "The only one who got ripped are the ones who paid for this movie."
They removed it from the movie, because they find the sword and shield to be “too aggressive,” and that she wouldn’t need it unless she’s gonna use it. That’s what I heard.
@@mannycalavera2335 This is by far the weakest film of the "Man of Steel" era of DC movies.. Feels like a WB cash grab!! Green lighting a third film before looking at the numbers for the second, proves this IMO!!
@@amazo88 yeah but what about justice league or something like that plus the fact she said she didn’t mess with man but messed with man here. Also remembering it she did have the shield at the start of the movie that’s how she knocked the cams out so point not valid.
I'm tired of movies using the "nerdy ugly duckling" cliche. It's trying to tell us that these (people who are gorgeous btw) aren't attractive because they're nerdy. If you saw a woman who looks like Kristen Wiig drop all of her books on the ground, would you be like "nah she's nerdy so I'm not going to help her." Or would you like "OMG let me help this girl who looks like Kristen Wiig." It's not believable that the characters in the movie would treat her so badly in the beginning.
I'm not sold on this take ... As in: it didn't seem to me that those 2 dudes were walking away from helping Wiig because "nerdiness" but rather that their behaviour was in line with a thesis supported by many, many, many other scenes in WW84 - to wit: the male gender are essentially horrible human beings. That through-line supported by the shocking number of scenes where women are sexually harassed and/or assaulted.
@Ruby Barber While I would not qualify 2020 as being an especially good year it 100% had some real benefits, gave me a lot of time to process things I was too busy to really deal with and get over a very long term funk after a bad breakup from a 10 year long relationship. Being locked down forced me to confront and deal with my pain and eventually find peace; so while the year has been a disaster there was some silver lining.
I’m sick to death of people blaming 2020 on all life’s problems. 5 more days of people whinging about it, then they can all start whinging about 2021 life’s problems. It’s a f””g number stop blaming the year on everything. A 20 changing to 21 doesn’t magically change plus covid bullshit started in 2019 why don’t people blame that year ?
Yeah, this movie had a big problem with the clunky way it delivered exposition. Like how they introduced her golden armor; she might as well have just said “Oh that? Yeah it’s a new costume I’ll be wearing during the finale. Anyway...”
I thought about what he said about how the opening sequence relates to the rest of the story and I disagree, I don't think the shortcut lesson was for Diana I think it was for Lord and minerva. They were trying to get, through a wish, things they could have gotten with hard work and time. What Diana wanted however, she couldn't get any other way.
This! Like how in the hell are we supposed to believe a normal guy like Maxwell Lord is willing to risk everything on an old wives tale myth about some magic stone? lmao. There has never been any indication in the DCEU world outside the confined moments during WWI where WW fought Ares that magic exist in the modern world. If it were the comics, what would have happened is the Duke of Destruction (who created the Dreamstone) who is the henchman of Ares and a demigod himself, woulda been pissed Diana defeated Ares in WWI and had been plotting to get his revenge and since he can manipulate or inspire human's minds, somehow got into Maxwell Lord's and put in the desire to discover the Dreamstone. Bam simple as that.
I guess it probably should have been called 2020...cuz it was pretty damn close to it..(with All the crap that was going on in that movie All together)..tsk
and when US released the nuclear attack, Reagan wish revoked also stopped the nukes that USA already had before and were also part of the attack....for no reason.
Okay, but can we talk about the part in the movie where Handsome Dude says, “the snow.. and... so many things...” and Diana goes “so many... many things”... and then they try to sell that as a really profound piece of screenwriting?!?! I CACKLED.
Finally watched it (the movie just recently became available here in Germany). I was kind of primed to hate it from what I'd been hearing, but actually found myself enjoying the first half hour or so quite a lot. The goofiness of the first action scene stayed squarely in Donner territory and thankfully never quite crossed the line into Lester-land, and I felt the movie was getting a lot right about Wonder Woman's character while having a lot of fun with her. I liked Barbara Minerva's character, even though she was kind of a familiar superhero movie villain trope and I enjoyed Pedro Pascal as Max Lord. So I started to feel maybe I'd been misled and this movie was kind of awesome ... But then it started going downhill really quickly. I would've forgiven the problematic return of Steve Trevor if that was all that was wrong with this movie, but there was so much more that broke my enjoyment of it. The plot just fell apart like a Jenga tower and some of the action was just laughably badly staged, which was a real surprise after the first movie and the first couple of scenes of this one. I feel sorry for the cast, because they were all pretty awesome. Gal Gadot remains a brilliant choice to play Wonder Woman, I enjoyed seeing Chris Pine back in this (even if his return was really badly plotted) and Kristen Wiig and Pascal both did a great job with some lame material. Considering that Patty Jenkins has been saying in interviews that this was her own true vision, without any interference from the studio, this is really disappointing. And honestly, I think the studio's public commitment to keeping her on for the next Wonder Woman movie now looks like a mistake.
How about this: Someone thought the 1984 setting was so important they put it in the movie title. The movie, on the other hand, could have been set in any time frame and it would not have changed a thing. In a movie called Wonder Woman 1984, the 1984 setting is COMPLETELY POINTLESS. I'm slowly starting to realize that they did not actually get a single thing right in this movie. Everything was a miss.
I was just waiting patiently for them to justify setting the movie in that time period but no they didn’t, they could have just avoided it but now they have now contradicted other movies
Maybe it's like how Disney titled their movie "Frozen" because they knew if you typed up Disney + Frozen, their kid's film would pop up instead of results popping up about Walt Disney being cryogenically frozen or whatever. Now that surveillance is getting scrutinized at an all-time high these past few years, people will start to hear more references to George Orwell's "1984" as the comparisons have become uncomfortably similar. This way they can curve curiosity with bombarding search results with a big-selling blockbuster (emphasis on the bust). It's a stretch, it's more of a reason then Marvel is willing to put out right now.
I tell you what I think is funny: these brilliant creatives actually didn't produce this film - it only exists due to poor feedback from test screenings. Something much, much worse was what they were going to foist upon us. Just imagine!
I justified it by thinking Tv broadcasting was still kinda new in 1984 and not 100% mainstream so he used that new power, imagine it was set in 2020 and he used netflix to broadcast his message
The one that really stood out to me was when Diana was lassoing planes and lightning and cycling through a bunch of flying poses, then suddenly it cuts to her grabbing the golden armor from her apartment, then cuts back to her showing up at the boss fight.
Haha! That's because you perhaps saw the WW84 movie prior to WashedUp DC Jan 6th To those of us who watched Gal and "Steve" forever after the LIVE Remake of *The* *War* *of* *1812* on January 6th, this Wonder Woman movie makes complete sense.
Then whilst it was sort of defending her she just strips off the wings and decides to drown the girl in a electrocuted water because she still wanted to be cool
So no one gonna talk about how she magically got her armour when she was on the way too max lord? Did I miss the scene where she went home and got it? And what about cheetah transforming into cheetah like wtf?
They did show her going home. It's where she went when she first learned to fly. Then they showed her flying to the final battle. As for Cheetah, I don't know why she became Cheetah. I heard Maxwell Lord wishing her some power or something, but definitely nothing to do with turning into an animal. I was expecting him to say "apex predator" like she did but he didn't.
@@BeautyPunknocker I rewatched it and after she gets home to get the armor, they show her flying out of the clouds with the armor after the miniguns shoot in the air.
Okay so I re watched it and this is what happened lol....she's on her way too max lord swinging in the sky probably far from her apartment, and then all of a sudden it shows her stopping at home and then she is at maxlord with enough time too stop him 🤯
I feel like if the plot was more about trying to find asteria or whatever her name was, it’d be a much better movie instead of making it an episode of the fairly odd parents
Just realized that after Max Lord renounces his wish, Wonder Woman JUST LET'S HIM GO LOL. She doesn't even take him to the police, he's free to leave and go hug his son and never gets punished for almost ending the world LOL.
I get that would be a neat little bow to wrap the film in but ... I kind of saw Max Lord as an addict who was suddenly freed of his addiction. And it was the president who actually wished for the nukes ... shouldn't he be locked up, too?
To be fair SHE TOOK SUPERBUTCH ( supergirl in her pantsuit on arrowverse ) playbook *Ie you talk your enemy into being good* 🙄 and don’t even get me started on that acrobatic bullshit cus apparently TWO GIRLS CANT WRECK EACHOTHER but *she can fuck guys up* 🙄
The whole thing was completely forgettable and half-baked, except at the end where I choked up at the cute little boy who just wanted his daddy back. 2/10 because of him and Gal Gadot's accent.
while watching WW84, my dad was like, “ok, Wonder Woman is losing her powers because of her wish - what did Barbara lose?” and as a joke, I responded, “it obviously cost her humanity, she’s become so mean!” imagine my surprise when the movie literally had that as a piece of dialogue that Diana said to Barbara. I can’t tell if that’s a good thing or bad thing for the movie, it either illustrated that transformation well or it was so obvious and cheesy that it lost all impact. also imagine having sex with Wonder Woman and then not remembering it. that handsome dude didn’t consent!
Also, how did Barbara get 2 wishes while everyone else could only have one? And when she wished to be an apex predator, she should have turned into a T-Rex. A cheetah is not even the biggest cat. This whole movie made no frigging sense.
Yeah, that's not a good sign when you are able to predict the bad or clichéd dialogue in a movie or just imagine the dumbest thing they could probably do with the plot and then it actually happens in the movie...
Chris pointed out that their memories might not be wiped but at the end the stranger that Steve possessed remembers nothing from his time with Diana. Another flaw in this film
Just that scene alone i know it was a shit movie. I didn’t finish it. Had porn in another tab and when i was done with that closed tab and came to Chris review.
David Callaham one of the three screenwriters on the film (Jenkins, and Geoff Johns the other two) has the 'Doom' film adaptation and all three'The Expendables' films on his resume. I think that says a lot. Jenkin's would have been taking the advice of the other writers who either have DC & Marvel comic book experience or fantasy genre experience as this isn't her forte. Let's not forget Zack Snyder was still a producer on this film as well.
OMFG. This must be the 17th cut of this movie, and they said fkit, we give up, put it out... ANY rational human that says they liked this, i do not believe u. Whoever edited this movie was literally on meth. ANYBODY can see this was just a ton of scenes shot, and puzzle pieced together. Plus script, half the CG, acting, etc. is baaaad. But worse than everything, this movie does the wish thing. the stupidest MCMUFFIN u can do, and thus zero in-universe rules for this... action drama? If this was a stoner comedy then maybe, but its not. BUT EVEN WORSER... Patty Jenkins does not get WW, period. now kids go RIDE THE LIGHTNING YEEEEEEAAAA!!! LOL WTF. (you will understand if u have scene this trash. what a gd shame)
Superhero comics: if a dead character is resurrected they will be in their original body prior to their death. Wonder Woman 1984: Nah, too unrealistic, let's have Steve Trevor possess some random dude.
"It just makes no fucking sense", yea, this movie was pretty fucking bad. I knew it was gonna be shit when I saw her sliding across the floor in the mall, but what I got was BAD. Just show me Wonder Woman blocking bullets with bracelets and making scumbags admit the truth, holy shit, how do you fuck that up?
@@darreng3254 why didn't they have Steve come back as a dog, that's genius! He'd be walking around as a barking dog to everyone but Diana sees Chris Pine talking.
I agree, but I still felt this movie had massive emotional resonance unlike Chris and despite the plot holes I enjoyed it immensely. It did feel a little like 3 different movies folded around each other, but the whole was better than the parts.
Yeah I wanted to love this movie, but holy shit, this is definitely in the top 10 worst superhero movies. Which is hugely disappointing considering it was made in 2020.
When I first saw this movie...I loved it, the message was pretty good and pedro Pascal was fking awesome...but when I started thinking about it again and again...I realise that this movie is devoid of logic and exacly the opposite of feminism...sex without consent is rape....and boys also get raped....someone please tell this thing to patty Jenkins. And all men except Steve trevor is horny and bad idiots...I mean are you serious!!!...this movie is awful...I wanted it to be good...and it's a shame that besides snydercut bieng so good...wb didn't let him continue and approved WW3 within days of ww84
I agree, but part of that was the setting. Having zero objects for the camera to zoom by (e.g. trees, other cars, cliffs) made it feel slower. The action itself in that sequence was fine but definitely not well thought out to make it look exciting.
Finally someone said it. I mean I've been dreaming of a scene like WW and Big Barda vs The Furies. Patti Jenkins can't direct an action scene for shit.
Well in BvS there's a scene where she's in a plane one moment then fully suited and ready to go against Doomsday in like 5 seconds. Makes sense if she flew there. JL has no excuse for the power exclusion
She also apparently now has the ability to cloak anything with sheer willpower. I can't remember, but I imagine there would have been some point where that would have been handy
Was I the only one who saw Diana and 'Cheetah' interacting at the beginning of the movie and thinking damn....they got some good chemistry. I knew Steve was gonna come back, but for a moment I could see it.....the sapphic wonder woman story.....
Dude, you nailed it. I felt something, besides a better script, was missing - the awesome 80’s music. The music would have brought some balance to this movie.
The mall action scene immediately made me question "Who is this movie for?", because that whole scene looked like it was made for 7 year olds. It was really bad in every way. Bad action, bad dialogue, bad acting, and bad cinematography. I was just laughing throughout that scene because it was so goofy and cringe at the same time.
200% agree.... i was like ok this has to be like the Johnny Cage intro from MK movie where its all an act and then our character gets into the REAL movie..... aaaaand nope, that was the real movie, i was like "hmmmmm, ok then"
I was very disappointed in Cheetah and the way they made her look. I'm such a big fan of Cheetah and was looking forward to seeing her in the movie. Even in the trailer I was somewhat annoyed. I'm sorry but I don't think Kristen was good for the role.
@@10k.emilio79 I guess cause of how odd and disconnected the movie felt to that point. That sudden shift of, "I know kung fu.....I know how to fly." Just sent me into a giggle fit.
@@LAndriAker They took that idea from the comics, even the line about riding the wind but I understand why people who aren’t comic book enthusiasts wouldn’t get it. They should have built her up to it for the 3rd movie maybe.
Considering no one ever brings up the crazy wish granting and almost world ending nuclear war of 84 either, is another issue for me. I mean, i know the D.C films aren't all interconnected like the Marvel Universe, but there are several films linked into the same timeline and universe, and you would think an incident of that magnitude would have been mentioned at some point or referenced. Just shows lazy writing and respect to the shared universe for me,
Bruce Wayne also says to her in justice league that he'd never heard of her till lately! In ww84 she would be tabloid news due to the mall scene & more! Bit weird!
@@ndudiobichi3515 haha but imo you cant just slap on a small kid with a few "daddy is too busy for me" scenes and call it development though. That is just lazy. They had very slow pacing for the entire movie and i would rather they switch out some of the other scenes and spend a little more time to build the relationship between the father and son
