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Wood Vs Synthetic Rifle Stocks 

Tom River - Simple Living
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After a suggestion from Danie, I realized that wood vs synthetic rifle stocks would be a great topic to discuss. And realized it was a great topic because I had never really given it a lot of thought. I just shared the general consensus that everyone, but after giving it some thought I realized the general consensus wasn't exactly right.

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@AndrewSmith-rp6ee
@AndrewSmith-rp6ee 3 года назад
Thank you for the video, helps me justify my preference for wood stocks. I just don’t get attached to a gun with a synthetic stock, it doesn’t have the same character as wood.
@justinburns255
@justinburns255 3 года назад
Should do a video on your personal collection! Maybe give the story behind each one. Enjoy the videos man. Appreciate what you do
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
Thanks! And at this point I think I've talked a little about most of my collection, but your comments made me realize that I would like to talk about my Uncle's collection one day. I went through his collection after his death for his family just to let them know what was what and that had a profound impact on me that I'd like to share with everyone.
@justinburns255
@justinburns255 3 года назад
Tom River - Simple Living man that sounds even better! Will be waiting on that video.
@hammerheadms
@hammerheadms 3 года назад
When I was shopping for my last hunting rifle, I had a very similar conversation with a buddy of mine who is a retired Marine gunnery sergeant. I wanted to splurge a bit and buy a really nice rifle with a beautiful chunk of walnut, but my buddy got me thinking about it. In Michigan it is pretty humid year round, and deer season is especially tumultuous, weather-wise. So he asked me, "how often are you sitting in your blind with rain or snow falling on you?" My answer was a dawning realization that made me feel kind of stupid. It's almost always inclement weather during my deer hunts. "We (the Marine corp.) haven't used wooden stocks on our rifles for fifty years because of swelling that occurs in hugh humidity. I recommend you get synthetic." His logic was pretty undeniable, and considering his 20 years of military experience, I had to concede he was right. Real world application for hunters really depends on the season and region you are hunting in. As much as I wanted a beautiful rifle, the utility of synthetics had to trump aesthetics where I hunt.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
I suspect wood would hold up with no problems for you, but that's the thing about synthetic is you don't have to guess because you know it isn't going to have any issues. As for the military the only time I've heard about moisture being a problem was in Vietnam. But the moisture there was on an entirely different level. My father in law still has jungle rot on his feet from there. But I've never heard of moisture being an issue for the M1 Garand's or M14's in any other war or conflict. And since I've started thinking about this over the last couple of days I'm thinking wood is a lot tougher even in humidity than we give it credit for?
@hammerheadms
@hammerheadms 3 года назад
@@TomRiverSimpleLiving I think it also depends on the kind of accuracy you are depending on. General infantry are probably more focused on hitting a target the size of a human torso with more or less a center mass hit than focussing on hitting specific vitals within 6 square inches. My friend was in Panama back in the 80's, and later in Iraq and Afghanistan retiring only about 7 years ago. I was never in the military so I am going on his word and partly my father's as well, who was also in Vietnam. My own experience as a carpenter and remodeler I know how certain wood species behave under moist conditions, and I know most dark hardwoods fair relatively well so long as they are treated with some kind of preservative. Though woods like teak, mahogany, and walnut have better stability than most lighter hardwoods, they are still subject to the same temperament just to lesser extremes. I suspect the military was trying to mitigate certain factors to the aid of men who, prior to military service, never lifted a rifle before in their lives. As for myself, the wisdom behind synthetics seems logical, even if I do long for a much prettier stock. Who knows, maybe I may still find myself looking to one again.
@stephenland9361
@stephenland9361 3 года назад
Wood, particularly walnut has been used for rifle stocks for centuries all over the world including rain forests and jungles. And remember, we're talking about sporting rifles here, not military rifles. Wood stocks made out of a decent blank, properly finished with a traditional oil finish or a modern lacquer have stood up to all kinds of climates. I certainly understand the logic behind the military using synthetics. And anyone wanting a carefree stock on a hunting rifle is welcome to go with synthetic as well. Personally, I have no synthetic stocked rifles or shotguns and have zero interest in acquiring one. Where I live in BC, there is plenty of rain (and snow). If I've been out all day in the stuff, I simply wipe off the stock when I get back and let it stay dry somewhere at outside temperature to avoid 'sweating'. After thirty-five years I've had zero issues with stock warpage. Every now and then I rub a bit of linseed oil over the wood after it has thoroughly dried. And that is part of my end of season maintenance before storing guns away for the rest of the year. I don't see that as a chore but as part of being a gun owner. I like doing it. To me a synthetic stock, even the best of them looks like a guy in a fine suit wearing hip waders. Synthetic stocks have no soul, feel awful (to me) and are an abomination unto Diana, goddess of the hunt.
@hammerheadms
@hammerheadms 3 года назад
@@stephenland9361 okay, the hip waders part gave me a laugh, but as a Christian I gotta reject the bit about Diana ;). I feel you, and I do agree for the most part. I love a beautiful piece of wood, especially as someone who was a carpenter and woodworker for 17 years. But that is precisely why I think I balk at the idea of taking that beautiful remnant of God's creation into His nature; I know I am going to beat the hell out of it, and that makes me cringe. Stainless with synthetic, or laminate is obviously purely function over form. It's utilitarian. And like some of the projects I have worked on, like ornate staircases, mantles, or hardwood floors the thought having something of that sort in my own home gives me pause because I know what I have put into it, and what will become of it. So while yes, I do have some concerns with warpage because that and splitting can become a reality with wooden stocks, but that is more of a minor concern. To me, I tend to hyper-focus on preservation of lasting beauty, which is a more difficult goal to achieve. Entropy is a law of nature, but it can sometimes be a hard one to accept.
@stephenland9361
@stephenland9361 3 года назад
@@hammerheadms After decades of use a walnut stock can be stripped of it's finish, touched up, sanded and refinished. It will look as good as new, ready for several more decades of use. Damaged synthetic stocks get tossed aside like yesterday's newspaper. They're disposable, like cheap pens and Pampers. In the Fall when I start out before dawn, I look up and there is Orion, the Hunter. Do you think that guy would be seen with a synthetic stock?
@marvincw
@marvincw Год назад
After watching this, and your checkering videos, I don't know which I prefer now! Allot of food for thought! Thank you!
@foxtailfarm_nc7151
@foxtailfarm_nc7151 3 года назад
Nothing beats a wood stock! Most synthetic stocks are made for one reason, cheaper to produce. Walnut stock and blues steel, gorgeous!
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
I would have to agree 99% of the time, the 1% would be stainless and wood. I just saw a stainless rifle with a really dark walnut stock and I have to admit that was one good looking rifle.
@mikeofmanymikes2630
@mikeofmanymikes2630 Год назад
Man vs machine.
@kentowens2179
@kentowens2179 3 года назад
I love a beautiful wood stock. In buildingrimfire BR rifles I've used McMillan carbon fiber stocks, and HS precision as well. But my favoritie material is curly redwood, it soaks up vibration so well, and is dead stable. Curly maple was also a favorite, it's light and strong. A forearm needs rigidity to keep from bouncing on the rest when the shot ignites. Great video, and fine presentation. I no longer hunt, too old and broken up, but when I did, before hunting season I'd apply a liberal coat of Johnsons paste wax on my 700BDL remington before deer season and just leave it. And clean it off after the season ended. The wax dulled down the finish when left to dry, and protected the stock as well as killed the high gloss.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
I don't think I've ever even heard of redwood for a stock. I know maple was popular at one time, and it seems to be making a come back but I never heard of redwood. Inttesting.
@seedsandfishhooks
@seedsandfishhooks Год назад
We definitely have an attachment to wooden stocks. I like the idea of passing my rifle down to my kids as an heirloom, and a sythentic just doesn't have that feel to it.
@JFlo_Outdoors
@JFlo_Outdoors 2 года назад
Just bought my first hunting rifle. Bergara B-14 .308 in Timber. So glad I picked wood.
@elieaton6032
@elieaton6032 3 года назад
Great videos no nonsense all honest and just great quality, if you got that Ruger m77 with the paddle stock laying around I’d love to see a shooting video of that if you can do that, all shoot you channel out to some of my friends to get you som more subscribers because this is some of the best damn gun reviews ive found 👍
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
Thanks for your comments! And sure I'll do a shooting video on that M77 (after deer season). I can say the more I shoot that rifle the more I like it, it's become one of my go to hunting rifles and it has found a permanent home in my collection.
@michaelsmith6156
@michaelsmith6156 8 месяцев назад
The Remington 514a was my first rifle, at age 12. The rifle I learned to hunt and shoot targets. My 70Y/O neighbor guided me on a restoration of this rifle. The rifle I loved was lost in a move across the country. Resonantl 9:36 9:38 I asked my gun shop owner to find a 514A for me. He did. It is unreal to explain the joy I felt.
@russellparrish5745
@russellparrish5745 3 года назад
Tom, I like your videos. Keep it up. Thanks
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
Thanks, will do!
@oskarbjorkgard8864
@oskarbjorkgard8864 2 года назад
Amazing video. This has tuched my heart.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 года назад
Thanks Oskar
@barneygo2010
@barneygo2010 2 года назад
Former Active Duty Infantry here (now a retired high school teacher with replaced hip joints), I started loving my walnut stocked M1A rifles for Service Rifle competition (USA read: CMP matches). As my scores climbed I drank the KoolAid and upgraded to McMillan’s M1A glass stock. Been shooting glass stocks for almost 35 years. I hunted a couple of seasons with a Marlin 1895 Guide Gun. I tend to fall and slip in the wet/frozen woods of Northern Ontario. So I sold that baby and purchased the last of the Marlins before Remington went belly up in 2020. I took home an 1895 GSBL with a painted birch stock set (factory of course). Now I have the warmth of wood on my gloved hands, and no more worries about scratching my Marlin 336C Walnut fondling deer gun. Recently, I bought my almost forever Winnie Model 70 in FW, Compact. I sold the walnut stock to a buddy for his teen daughter’s coyote hunting habits. I installed a dark brown Bell & Carlson RH SA sporter barrel stock. Now it’s my forever deer stand and coyote .243. I’m clumsy with wood/walnut furniture in my old age. I would rather spend time dealing with brass preparation and handloading instead of wood working. I’m just hard headed infantry, I guess. Peace Be The Journey!
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 года назад
All great points Barney! I have to admit wood can break your heart sometimes. I've got to change the stock on my Winchester Featherweight Super Grade after the first of the year because it warped (I already have the replacement). As a woodworker I don't mind but I know as a wood worker I'm also very biased.
@nielrossouw7831
@nielrossouw7831 2 года назад
Great video! I have beautiful wood stock Sako in 30-06. About 5 years ago I went on a hunt in a very dry part of South Africa. The second evening it started to rain and it lasted untill about 10:30 the next day. I missed two shots on a huge blue wildebeest. We went to the range and my POI had shifted more than a 50cm at 100m. I still hunt with that Sako but my synthetic Remington Sendero in 300WM always tags along for those humid or wet days.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 года назад
Things certainly can wrong with wood. I just replaced a stocked on one of my favorite rifles due to it warping. I guess as a wood worker I'm just biased in this area?
@nielrossouw7831
@nielrossouw7831 2 года назад
@@TomRiverSimpleLiving I love wooden stocks, it gives life to a rifle. My father did carpentry so I grew up with a love of wood. I still have not replaced the stock on that rifle because it is simply too beautiful. Thank you for a great channel.
@stephenland9361
@stephenland9361 3 года назад
Every now and then, I remind myself that I really am an old fuddy duddy. Despite various synthetic stocks all claiming to be the best thing since sliced bread (which isn't good at all), I don't have one and don't ever see myself getting one. The darn things simply have no soul. They're cold, hard, completely inanimate and give me the willies. A good piece of walnut, properly seasoned and crafted into a gunstock has a life of it's own. It feels good in my hands. It even smells right. When I see a synthetic stock, all I can think of is Tupperware.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
I have a couple with synthetic stocks and I'm about to get rid of one of those. There's just no replacing a quality hardwood for a stock and walnut in particular.
@DerekMichaelAnderson
@DerekMichaelAnderson 3 года назад
Totally not gun related but I gotta say I love your authenticity. Keep posting videos!
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
Thanks, I do appreciate that.
@GD-zj2dl
@GD-zj2dl 2 года назад
Thanks for the wonderful videos! Neither synthetics nor wood, something in between! I prefer laminate! Yes it is heavier and uglier than both, but it is strong and hard like iron!
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 года назад
I really hate that I didn't mention laminates in this video. I might have to do one in the future just on those because they are their own special breed. And they make for one rock solid stock. Plus some of them look really sharp. I always thought a stainless rifle with a grey laminate stock was about as fine of a looking rifle as you could ask for.
@Kabob_King
@Kabob_King 3 года назад
Nice video as usual. I prefer wood stocks and blued metal for aesthetics, but I try to compromise on wood stocks and stainless when possible. I'm in upstate NY and it's pretty wet and snowy here. With that said, if you just dry, clean and oil your gun after hunting it's fine either way. The other factor not mentioned is that synthetics can be noisy, especially when hitting into brush. A lot of hunters through the northeast still hunt or track deer and a hollow synthetic brushing up against stuff all day is no fun. Also, when you say synthetics it seems like we're talking about the typical black stocks that are formed by injection molding. There's also synthetics that are more properly called 'composite' stocks which are made of fiberglass, Kevlar, carbon fiber or mixtures of those fabrics and imbedded in a resin. These composites are extremely strong, extremely light, often very quiet, extremely stable. Think Kimber Montana or mountain ascent. It's almost unfair to lump composites with molded plastic stocks, even well made ones. It's all about what you're after, I prefer the lightest rifle that's reasonable for the hunt. If you want ultralight, it's composite, hands down. Kimber Montana stock is 24oz, tikka wood stock is 32oz and that's a pretty trim stock.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
I do understand your thoughts on me lumping all synthetic stocks together. That wasn't my intent but I can understand why it might have sounded that way. Whenever I discuss the cheap injection molded stocks I just call them "plastic". And that's why I started by explaining I was comparing quality wood to synthetic. And I agree there is a major difference between a cheap plastic stock and a quality synthetic or composite stock.
@Sparaco487
@Sparaco487 3 года назад
I hunt ny aswell,my 700 bdl i have to oil when i get home or it has rust the next day it seems.my xbolt hells caynon i didnt oil once all season no worries.i still prefer wood and blued myself but definitely have to care
@kwiturbitchin5277
@kwiturbitchin5277 3 года назад
I refinished my model 700 walnut stock after my first bedding job and dang is it a beautiful rifle now. I rubbed on multiple coats of tung oil and I’ll reapply regularly. I just pulled the trigger on a model 700 adl tactical in 6.5 Creedmoor this morning. The price was too good to pass up. It has a synthetic stock. Not a great one but good enough for now. I bought it as a project rifle and to shoot with my daughter and her 6.5 mossberg patriot super bantam. You’re right, you can’t beat the look and feel of wood.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
I think we worry less about scratching one after we've refinished it because then we realize scratches aren't permanent? And those 700 adl's aren't the prettiest but they sure shoot good!
@genericeric1062
@genericeric1062 3 года назад
Great videos Tom. Subscribed in Tampa, Florida U.S.A.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
Thanks Eric and I'm glad you enjoyed it.
@charleshuyck6641
@charleshuyck6641 Год назад
I have my father's 1953 full choke 16 ga Wingmaster and it is beat up but still nails the pheasants and it has class.
@MaxWray111
@MaxWray111 8 месяцев назад
Back at the first of the year I was looking to buy my first deer rifle. I had been looking at and researching the new budget tier rifles (all I can afford on Social Security), and had narrowed it down to just a couple, both with synthetic stocks. Then I went to a gun show, and found a beautiful sporterized K98k in 7x57, with a Leupold M8 6x scope, for 450 doll hairs. Bedded action, free-floating barrel, and shoots MOA. There's no way I could like a modern plastic gun better.
@danieschoonwinkel346
@danieschoonwinkel346 3 года назад
Very nice video
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
No, thank you. And I have to apologize for not doing a better job editing your photos and the photo selection. I had to put in a late night to get that finished and I just didn't have time to do your photos justice. Again, really nice work.
@swkohnle08
@swkohnle08 3 года назад
Enjoyed your video Tom. For me, I have always believed that had God intended us to shoot synthetic stock guns, he would have created synthetic trees... 😉
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
LOL
@hammerheadms
@hammerheadms 3 года назад
And money trees for that matter too. Lol.
@garyh1449
@garyh1449 3 года назад
Hickok45 has a good selection of laminate trees.
@Nick-wn1xw
@Nick-wn1xw 3 года назад
Folks have some how managed to hunt and fight for that matter, with blued steel and wood for centuries. Now it seems deer require sub-moa accuracy and synthetic stocks before they’ll even consider being hunted. I appreciate synthetic stocks and stainless steel-own several-but I also am not afraid to hunt with blued steel and wood stocks no matter the weather. I worry about rust more than my well-sealed wood stocks swelling. Another option is maminated wood stocks. Also very stable.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
I started to mention laminates but I can't really decide where I stand on those and I didn't want to start rambling. I love the looks of some of the laminates and their stability, but at the same time after they get a couple of scuff marks they can look horrible and that's not an easy fix on a laminated stock.
@IMD4VE
@IMD4VE 3 года назад
Great video. But one question. Should a rifle with a synthetic stock really cost the same amount and sometimes more than the same rifle with a good timber stock?
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
It depends on how much work went into the synthetic stock and the cost of materials. Now is worth as much or more than wood is an entirely different matter?
@grassCrow
@grassCrow 2 года назад
i like the solid color of synthetic … if i got a wooden stock id want to dye it black
@tomsreviews238
@tomsreviews238 2 месяца назад
I have always loved wood stocks. As I get older I have been changing over to synthetic since the gripping surfaces (at least for me) seem to far exceed anything that I have found etched into wood. Maybe a fully custom made wood stock could work for me, but I need to keep the price down. I can buy an off the shelf synthetic that feels great out of the box.
@mikeofmanymikes2630
@mikeofmanymikes2630 Год назад
I love old wooden stocks. I normally keep them all original but I will rub in some boiled linseed oil in the stock if it is seems dryed out.
@bobd8553
@bobd8553 3 года назад
Thank you for the video. I also love wood stocks, but worry about it warping in the field getting rained on, or frozen at an elk camp. What would you recommend to prevent warping as a sealer? I have been using many coats of tru-oil in the past. I have not freefloated my Winchester 70 because it shoots so well. Thanks
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
I was about to recomend wax and explain how to apply it but I figured there was a video on that and sure enough: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KlToim_s0c0.html Wax is also great for your old furniture and wood with an oil finish like true oil or linseed. And it works wonders for cleaning up old wood that you might think needs refinishing. As for free floating the barrel, I wouldn't change a thing on that rifle if it's a shooter! No use in fixing something that ain't broke. And that sounds like a really special rifle!
@bobd8553
@bobd8553 3 года назад
@@TomRiverSimpleLiving Thank you for the link, answered my questions. Great example in the video with soaking the wood. What do you think of adding a polyurethane finish as an extra protection before waxing? Thank you Oh yes the Winchester pre64 .270 featherweight is the perfect rifle in my opinion. It’s a special one for sure. After bedding the action great shooter.
@williamcook7339
@williamcook7339 3 года назад
We just thoroughly wipe the gun down and you can buy coating that looks nice and protects the wood
@pikeman0357
@pikeman0357 3 года назад
I own 2 cz rifles 1 synthetic 1 walnut love the both and they both have there place
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
It is nice to have options.
@markhaywood7307
@markhaywood7307 2 года назад
I love wooden stocks of " High to exceptional Quality" they are my favorite - I am a carpenter. Bad wood or composite wood churns my stomach. I live in a country where the weather will destroy wooden stocks. I have a collection of wooden stocked rifles. The rifles and shotguns i use have Synthetic stocks. All the synthetic rifles i have are stainless steel action and barrel ( They get left in or leaning up to a tree in the rain overnight often ). The only problem i have with synthetic's is the bedding- it a complete "arse" with some of them. My 10 cents worth from New Zealand.
@leroycaudill96
@leroycaudill96 6 месяцев назад
I'm 72 years of age ever sense I was a young boy I have loved wood even in the trees themselves all our rifles had wood stocks and forearms absolutely loved them and still do but synthetic stocks do have their place.
@Sforce68
@Sforce68 Год назад
When my pet rifle (Remington 700 ADL in .308, 1983 vintage) was bedded in its wood stock, I'd have to fine tune the zero just about every year prior to deer season; now that it's bedded into an H.S. Precision composite stock even though I still verify, I haven't had to touch it in years...The rifle shoots just as accurately in either stock, but the composite just doesn't seem to change any...
@TechnikMeister2
@TechnikMeister2 3 года назад
You cannot give away synthetic stock rifles in my country. Gun stores and distributors are sending them back to the factories for credit. Lets face it. If you had say $1500 to spend on a rifle, what would you prefer to own. A piece of plastic with a barrel the thinness of a pencil or maybe a fully restored Mauser 98 or Win M70, pre-64? You want something to be proud of and that will last for decades and maintain its value.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
I like your way of thinking! One thing I started to touch on but just didn't have time to really get into is how rifles that are only valued because of their functionality (precise accuracy) have no value once they are no longer considered state of the art. Where a rifle that is valued because of it's beauty, functionality, and quality will always have value. And as fewer and fewer rifles are made with the same level of quality those old rifles should continue to increase in value.
@jerroldshelton9367
@jerroldshelton9367 3 года назад
The day I turned 18, I inherited a Griffin and Howe built on a model 1903 Springfield action. The elderly, childless "shootin' pard" who willed it to me was "a man of means," who had the "means" to hunt on five different continents. When I became the custodian of that rifle, the only wear it had was on the muzzle, from being shot, and on the edges of the Lyman Model 48 rear aperture sight, from being slid in and out of scabbards and soft cases. It's not that bumps and bruises didn't occur, but that the gentleman who willed me that rifle knew the "tricks" to deal with them so that nobody would ever know they ever happened. I lost that rifle to fire. Unlike the 22 in this video, there was nothing left of my old G&H Springfield to salvage, save for the rear sight. In more recent history, I determined to obtain one "truly nice" rifle that I could do all of my hunting with over the course of what remains of my lifetime. I had Remington's Custom Shop make me a blue-printed, bench-built Model 700 in .30-'06. Many in my circle of association took exception to how I specified the rifle to be built. First, there was the chambering. Clearly, a "special rifle" should be chambered in a special cartridge and, in their minds, there's not a whole lot that's special about the .30-'06. They took me to task for specifying a stock made with Grade II walnut, too. In thinking about what I wanted my own bespoke rifle to be, I thought about what I liked about that old Springfield I used to have. It didn't turn in to ferrous oxide and splinters after 70 years of use. I expect my custom shop 700 will outlive me and, like my old Springfield, will still look and function fantastically when it does.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
Jerrold, that is one powerful story. I know we shouldn't be materialistic and things can be replaced, but some things are just special and can't really be replaced and your G&H was one of those things. But that is part of life and fortunately you're still here to tell that story. And it sounds like you did your part to replace once special rifle that was lost to the world by having another one created! And I know your Remington is special because it's special to you and that's all that matters. As for your friends questioning your choices for the 700, it sounds like they have a lot to learn about what makes a rifle special? I'm setting up a 1903a3 and FN Supreme now and everyone really likes the FN and it's a great rifle but for me that old ugly sporterized a3 is something truly special. It handles like a dream and shoots like one to! The balance is perfect, right on the front action screw. It's a lighter weight rifle but the felt recoil doesn't seem to be as bad as the FN and it's just so easy to shoot accurately. Its a rifle I could hunt with from now on and never want for anything else. And it's ironic that you had a Griffen and Howe. They're going to be my inspiration for the changes I'm going to make to the a3. Now that I know just what an outstanding rifle it is I want to see how nice I can make the stock and I don't know of anyone that's ever made a nicer stock than G&H. Thanks for sharing that story.
@dgambrel9241
@dgambrel9241 3 года назад
I have a Kimber classic and Kimber Montana same caliber, same scope, same accuracy. I usually take the Montana in bad weather, but I don’t notice a difference in performance in any way. The wood just feels warmer on cold day
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
Two very fine rifles there!
@carguy3028
@carguy3028 Год назад
When it comes to durability, I think the thing is most of us would do things with a synthetic stock that we wouldn’t do with a wood stock because if the wood stock gets damaged most of us would be pretty upset but if the synthetic breaks you just get another one.
@leeadams5941
@leeadams5941 3 года назад
I look at wood kinda like I look at my face when looking in a mirror, its got a bunch of wrinkles, a few scars,...but I would never get a face lift cause I wore that face through a lot of stuff and its been through a lot of stuff....some call it character some call it just old..either way its kind of like a few of my rifles...they can tell a story and they have good memories and some not so good memories...but I would never trade them for a new one with no scars...and all of them are wood.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
I love that analogy Lee!
@oppikomusic
@oppikomusic 2 года назад
This man is like the Bob Ross of guns
@tylarhaugan7908
@tylarhaugan7908 2 года назад
I have both wood and synthetic stocks my hunting rifles i use synthetic. Except for my brothers cut down 303 enfield that hunting rifle has wood stock still
@RogerSnell
@RogerSnell 3 года назад
I strongly prefer wood, but I'm worried about rain and snow. I'm considering an all stainless rifle with a good synthetic stock, maybe even a ceramic coating with synthetic. At least some of those look good and I won't worry about fingerprints, water or scratches like on my other rifles.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
It is a tough choice that honestly I think we all struggle with? As much as I love wood I have my Ruger m77 Zytel stock for a reason. I think one day way off in the future I'm going to see just how much moisture a wood stock can take before it affects accuracy because I really do think the wood stocks are tougher than we give them credit for?
@danieschoonwinkel346
@danieschoonwinkel346 3 года назад
Roger for a testimony on wood stocks id like to share a quick short story for you to consider when woried about wooden stocks ( like Tom said Quality wood stocks ) I have through out my life refurbished many a rifle stock for friends some young some really elderly chaps, with rifles 10 years to as old as 80 years old . The first thing i can tell you is that almost every stock with a varnish finish had warped and touched the barel and or did some funny stuff where the magazine base and trigger gard gets bolted down on the stock / also pulling the action tight into the cavity’s and recoil lugs. On the other hand, oil finished stocks that were exposed to the African heat for weeks sometimes months , and then again tropical rainy seasons after or in between that heat for the entire 80 years of the rifles life had very little for me to do other than rechecking hand smoothed diamonds. That all in mind i have to inform that wood stocks does need a little more field maintenance so to speak then that of synthetic stocks ! I also deff think that synthetic stocks has a deff place in the new world so does cera coated actions and barels except just like a varnish finis stock if the cera coating starts to chip in places the elements get in there and because cera coating has to be done on bare metal same as varnish has to be done on an un oiled stock things like rot in the wood or rust on a chipped cera coated barrel starts creeping in quite quickly !
@herbbrewer4441
@herbbrewer4441 3 года назад
I like both but wood just its hard to describe its almost alive.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
I like to think of wood as the ghost of the tree. Wood is not alive anymore but it doesn't know that yet.
@herbbrewer4441
@herbbrewer4441 3 года назад
@@TomRiverSimpleLiving i never thought of it that way. I will have to think on that a little bit.
@josephroberto4959
@josephroberto4959 2 года назад
I have one question on the synthetic stocks versus wood stocks I’ve got would stocks all of my guns avoid stocks and the reason why I’m afraid to get a synthetic stock is because I always thought that the recoil was absorbed better in a Woodstock compared to a synthetic stock now can you tell me if I’m right or not does a Woodstock take the recoil better than a synthetic thank you very much sincerely yours Joseph Roberto
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 года назад
Joseph I apologize for taking so long to answer your question. I saw it last week and remembered it because it's such a good question but I'm just now getting back to it. And the answer is no synthetic stocks will not make recoil worse. But with that said going to a lighter weight stock will make the felt recoil worse and many of the cheap synthetic stocks are lighter. So if you get a low end rifle with a flimsy stock it will have more recoil than a wooden stock or a quality synthetic stock. Quality synthetic stocks are very different and much heavier and more sold than the cheap ones. I hope that helps.
@josephroberto4959
@josephroberto4959 2 года назад
@@TomRiverSimpleLiving Thank you for answering my question it helps me a lot because now I won’t be so biased against them I love looking at your shows thank you for being so informative and making him so real not like somebody shows that are too stuffy you bring a real home feeling more like friends talking to each other and I like that in your Shell it’s like I’m looking at a friend of mine trying to explain to me what is going on and I thank you for that have a wonderful day Joseph’s Roberto😇💝🤣
@charleshuyck6641
@charleshuyck6641 Год назад
Model 70 real ones were short live ie 1936 to 1964. Savage 110 1958 to present and it is a better extractor for a pushfeed than a model 700 and barrels are hand straightened and button rifled good guns. I have an Accu Trigger/ stock heavy barrel 308 and groups are one hole. Stock is plastic with aluminum bedding it's how they get around modern unstable wood.
@garyh1449
@garyh1449 3 года назад
With all that said I'd bet dollars to donuts that the gun maker wasn't thinking (Synthetic doesn't warp) but rather (much cheaper to make). Same goes with that flat (no glare) finish. Saves a bundle on buffing and polishing. Sure, the stock won't warp and there is no shiny glare, but it's a lot more economic to make. I'm referring to black plastic stocks here.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
It is funny how just about every "improvement" to rifles since WWII seems to make the rifles cheaper to manufacture but less dependable in actual use and not near as nice to look at. It does make you wonder what the manufactures' definition of improvement is?
@Eman3037
@Eman3037 3 года назад
Hi.... Love your videos and I've seen most of them, keep it up ! However, your points regarding which stock material is more durable is not valid. When people compare rifle stocks that don't compare based on which can survive a fire better. They base it on there intended use which is competition shooting or hunting, not which one makes a better fire poker. Secondly, you stated your wood stocked rifle split and was easily repairable and the composite if split isn't. Well, a quality composite stock won't split.....period. I love wood stocks for the same reason everyone else does (it's beauty) and I have a few however, apples to apples (quality wood to quality composite) , the composite WINS regarding durability, utility and stability.... It's not even close. Thumbs up on the video !!
@rickybristersmusic3658
@rickybristersmusic3658 2 года назад
I love your vids. I would love to hear your thoughts on control feed action vs push feed. If you have covered this in a previous video please just disregard.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 года назад
Thanks Ricky, and I did do a video on control feed vs push feed but I'll give you the quick version. I prefer control feed but there are a lot of great rifles with both and I own rifles with both.
@paulgreen2416
@paulgreen2416 3 года назад
I have both wood and synthetic and I prefer synthetic due to it's harsh weather resilience. Edit: forgot to mention synthetics meager weight
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
Synthetics do have their strong points.
@LovingIdaho
@LovingIdaho 3 года назад
When growing up in the 70s and 80s , there was not many you could get with synthetic stocks . We would buy with wood stock and hunt down synthetic stocks and change them out . I have never really liked wood stocks myself .
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
Funny how times have changed since then.
@shawnwells5719
@shawnwells5719 3 года назад
Go laminate and get the best of both - aesthetics of wood, stability and durability of synthetic. Only downside is a bit of weight penalty.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
I have to admit I do like the laminates. And I've always loved the looks of a gray laminate stock with a stainless barrel and action. The only issue I have with them though is when you get a bad scratch in one there's no refinishing it. But that's just a cosmetic thing and has nothing to with functionality.
@shawnwells5719
@shawnwells5719 3 года назад
@@TomRiverSimpleLiving I put a rosewood tone laminate as a replacement for the split fore-end original on my pre-64 M70. Finished it with multiple coats of Tru-Oil. A rabid wolverine would have trouble scratching it. I've got a gray laminate on my Savage 7mm Magnum. In addition to looking good, the extra weight tames the recoil significantly over the original Tupperware stock.
@Dale37
@Dale37 2 года назад
I used to refuse to own a gun with a synthetic stock but now most of my guns do have synthetic stocks. LOL The custom stocks offered for sale have changed the game.
@doubleedge7250
@doubleedge7250 3 года назад
Wood every single time. 👍👍
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
I would say I'm wood almost every single time? But then again it's been an awful long time since I bought anything with a synthetic stock.
@doubleedge7250
@doubleedge7250 3 года назад
@@TomRiverSimpleLiving agree buddy. I appreciate your videos. Full of knowledge and love everything you do about model 70s. Would love to see more in the future. Have a great new year!
@randylagasse7767
@randylagasse7767 3 года назад
This is the way I look at it...03 springfields, m1 garands...the abuse they went through, ya, your wood stock will last you the next 50 years easily!
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
Couldn't have said it better myself.
@abelguerra8284
@abelguerra8284 2 года назад
I love my wood stocks
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 года назад
I'm right there with you. There is just something about wood.
@LynnJynh9315
@LynnJynh9315 9 месяцев назад
But which kicks more?
@foxtailfarm_nc7151
@foxtailfarm_nc7151 3 года назад
Correction to below - blued steel
@charleshuyck6641
@charleshuyck6641 Год назад
You can epoxy and spray paint synthetic.
@charleshuyck6641
@charleshuyck6641 Год назад
Unless like Dakota Arms or something makers do not dry and finish stocks well and most wood quality/grain has decreased. You risk on a new rifle I had a feather weight Win reissue and the wood, action and steel all failed me. I got rid of it I use my 1959 308 or 1953 JC Higgins FN Belgium. They are aces.
@charleshuyck6641
@charleshuyck6641 Год назад
308 is a 1958 model 70 short action.
@A-PatrioT
@A-PatrioT 2 года назад
Synthetic Stock: More practical and Durability Wooden Stock: Looks better than Synthetic.
@chrismiller9032
@chrismiller9032 2 года назад
suggested reason to go with wood. See what the synthetic looks like in 30-50 years. Plastics age like milk.
@kibbsnowden6893
@kibbsnowden6893 3 года назад
Wood is best to me but I do own a AR 15 man made material...:)
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
I agree with you on the wood, but I have a couple with synthetic stocks myself and that's ok to because they do have their advantages in certain situations.
@davidwooten1330
@davidwooten1330 3 года назад
I have both styles, enjoy both a lot,but Wood is prettier and feels more substantial in the hand.Butif I'm heading into the swamps after pigs at night,you can bet your last dollar I'm taking a synthetic weapon..money talks and bull poo walks..just how I see it.If I drop my 300 dollar savage or Ruger,well that's one thing but a 2000 doller Sako 85 is a complete different story sir.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
There is value in having a gun you just don't have to worry about messing up. Sort of like a beat up old pickup truck.
@charleshuyck6641
@charleshuyck6641 Год назад
If you want wood buy a vintage rifle their stocks are much better from 1950s and 60s. So are the actions, triggers and steel.
@citomp1240
@citomp1240 10 месяцев назад
Wood is more esthetic than synthetic.
@saugghos
@saugghos Год назад
Synthetic is meant for getting the job done. If you want to win a medal in olympics synthetic is the only option. Real army who are sent to the battlefield all carry synthetic. But For hobby purpose, wood wins.
@hellyeah3871
@hellyeah3871 3 года назад
Synthetic is cheap plastic. Wood is ok. Good solid fiberglass is the way to go unless you can get away with a good aluminum chasis
@posterestantejames
@posterestantejames 2 года назад
Wonderful storyteller. Engaging and likable guy. But his drawing a conclusion about the toughness of wood with his one instance (n=1) does NOT a data set make. He needs to acknowledge that his sample size is too small for him to have a strong opinion. I love my wood stock guns - I wish I had a synthetic Bergara…but I don’t. But I’m not under any illusion that wood, while verstile and full of beautiful goodness, isn’t as dimensionally stable as a synthetic. It’s just not.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 года назад
All very valid points, and I agree completely that wood isn't as dimensionally stable. In fact I just replaced a warped wood stock on a beloved rifle. But my point was that both materials have their strengths and weakness. And I think that's what we've come to misunderstand about synthetics, they have weakness also. And I'm glad you like my story telling!
@FantomWireBrian
@FantomWireBrian 2 года назад
Synthetics . There's beauty in design, durability and function , unless you're a third grade drop out . 😎
@Noah-we6hm
@Noah-we6hm Год назад
Synthetic just looks awesome
@pizzafrenzyman
@pizzafrenzyman 3 года назад
So to sum it up: composite stocks are like your wife after 20 years of marriage, and a wooden stock is your wife when she was 18. Both are equally functional, but one you want to preserve forever.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
LOL
@markdubois3614
@markdubois3614 3 года назад
The early synthetic stocks were not very good or some of them.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 3 года назад
Yes, I remember some of them were really rough looking and as slippery as they could be when they got wet.
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