I mean, they could literally show you the gassing. That would be much more graphic. But I doubt that anyone would actually want to watch that, honestly.
Treblinka & the Aktion Rhienhard camps were worse by all accounts. There they buried the bodies and then had to dig them up and cremate them 9 months later! Google Sonder Kommando 1005.
@Marty Methuselaws what was made up? This is fact. What the hell do US scholars have to do with it....everyone and everybody and every country knows about what happend.
A million years ago, I was an officer in a branch of one of American's largest banks. One day a young woman came up to my desk and asked about getting funding for her film idea. Her idea was to videotape Holocaust survivors being interviewed while telling their stories and experiences during the Holocaust. She received the funding. Through her, I personally, got to meet and sit in on many Holocaust survivors, including Sonderkommandos, telling their stories. Being a Jew, it was a very moving experience.
You might be wrong about them being psychopathic. Some might have been psychopaths but most weren't. There were many transfers and suicides out of the Einzatsgruppen, and alcohol abuse was rampant among those who didn't commit suicide or transfer out. Similar story with the Reinhard death camps (Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka), except in those camps transfer was not an option - once you were in you were in until the end. Some committed suicide (they were recorded as killed by partisans so their wives could get the war widow pension), some abused alcohol, some enjoyed the work. So the question is... how can you do this work if you are NOT a psychopath? The answer is actually very simple. First of all you tell yourself that you are not really killing anybody. "I am just supervising the unloading of the trains, I am just doing bookkeeping in the administration building, I am just supervising the workers who sort through the clothes of the newly arriving victims, I am just leading them to the gas chambers, I am just supervising their undressing" and so on and so forth. If it is your job to drop the cyanide into the roof you can get drunk, then quickly drop it in, then go back and pass out in a drunken stupour and maybe not even remember it in the morning. If it is your job to shoot people who are "no longer useful" (because they're basically starved to death and can't work no more) you can convince yourself you are actually doing them a favour - their suffering is over, I'm ending it quickly for them, they will be at peace now. And of course, eventually, when you've been doing it all every day for many weeks, months or years, you simply become numb to it, the same way the workers at a meat processing plant become numb to their work after a while... even though the cruelty might have shocked them when they first began working there. The scariest thing about the Holocaust, at least in my opinion, is how normal people who aren't psychopaths can be employed in this work and actually do it, efficiently, and find ways to convince themselves that what they're doing isn't really all that bad, because afterall they're not the one dropping in the gas or pulling the trigger, even though the job they're doing (guarding, administration, whatever) is still an integral part of the mass murder process. Don't think your neighbours wouldn't be able to do this to you and your family if the conditions were right, and don't assume you wouldn't also do it to them. This is why it's important to recognize the patterns of regimes such as the Nazis and the Communists and to cut them down in their infancy before they have a chance to turn people against one another like this.
And people say, oh..this was such a long time ago. Uh, no it was not. we're basically talking about our parents, grandparents, or great grandparents generation.
@Marty Methuselaws hey. Yea! You're right Sam. It was a long time ago. I think we should just forget all about it. know what Sam? You're right. Im crazy.
The brother of my great grandfather died in a concentration camp and my great grandfather fight in the resistance. I heard their stories first hand when they were still alive when I was a teenager. It's definitely not long ago in my opinion and we should never forget!
@@socialist0189 exactly!! And as Eva Kor expressed, if we forget then something like this can happen again. Do a search on RU-vid if you haven't already for Eva Kor. She is a survivor that returned to Aushwitz Birkenau.
At the Nuremburg trials British Prosecutor Sir Hartley Shawcross said"A Thousand years will pass and Still Germany will not have erased this guilt from their History".....
Actually, partly true but this was also a European phenomenon. People from many nationalities were drawn in as perpetrators, and much of the killings took place in areas by outside of Germany, for example in the Ukraine where most (some 1.5M) were killed early on in the war by bullets and mass shootings. Unfortunately, current genocide research is pointing to these events terrifyingly being perpetrated by and large by people like you and me turned killers rather than just “crazy” or “evil” people.
The sonderkommandos were Jewish prisoners who typically removed bodies from the gas chambers and put them into the crematoriums. Guards treated them with a little more leniency than normal prisoners. But sonderkommandos were killed every 3 months, mainly because they were direct witnesses to what was truly happening. And they were kept in isolation from the labor force because of this.
@@michellebentz6753 Until the hungarian transports they were even killed every 2-3 months according to the testomonies of survivors of the "Sonderkommando". (Filip Müller and others) During the massmurder of the Hungarians the SS increased the Sonderkommando up to 900 "workers/slaves". During that time they didn´t murder a whole group of the Sonderkommando.
The Sonderkommando were treated exceptionally well, as this film suggests. They received better quality food and rations than the German soldiers. This film, The Grey Zone, got banned because the producers suggested that the only Jews who survived Auschwitz were in some form of Sonderkommando (there were different types) whether they admitted it after the war or denied it.
What to say about what j just watched- i never seen it shown this way befor: the screaming; the resignation; the truck backloading- that was ash from th he crematoria I believe; the band playing; the sheer scale of it all- 😢 this wasnt even that long ago and still it got worse with nuclear bombs and more war- shame on humanity
And yet, the men doing this......went home to a good meal, drank their wine, played with their children, held their wives close at night. Those not married.....still a good meal, fine wine or vodka, then some would chose a woman from a barrack for the night....knowing her fate. The woman, maybe thinking she could buy some time to live, then only to find out she had been used and would die anyway. Evil, just so evil. The older ones knew they had no chance, but just waited for the time they would be marched to their death. The children ? Bless them, most did not understand what was going on.
Our society has well paid technicians developing nuclear weapons systems which are even more destructive. The secrets of Auschwitz, Treblinka, etc. were kept out of public discussion. But the details of nuclear weapons are almost completely public. Congressional hearings. Environmental Impact Statements. and more. We live in a Not See society. As Mark Twain quipped, history doesn't repeat but sometimes it rhymes.
It´s kind of strange to see the female bodies with clothes on. Usually, the victims were ordered to undress completely. I understand why they didn´t show it in the movie, but it´s still weird.
@@rjuttemeijer There was a practical reason for that. The Germans took their clothes to send back to Germany, often to be given as charity to families who lost their homes to Allied bombing. Therefore, it was way more efficient to simply order them to strip, rather than have the Sonderkommando undress them afterwards. Not to mention that this way, the clothes stayed clean (no blood or other fluids) and in good condition, because the victims were convinced they would wear them again.
They were using the bodies to sneak in gunpowder to destroy the crematoria. They came from the camps around the munitions factory where they got the gunpowder, not from Auschwitz.
@@njh18 First of all, all of those camps were part of the Auschwitz complex, so technically, they were all from Auschwitz. Secondly, it doesn´t matter where they came from. The women smuggled the gunpowder from the factory, and then hid it among, or even inside the bodies that were supposed to be cremated by the Sonderkommando. All of those bodies would have already been undressed, because at that point, there was no practical reason to keep their clothes on. In the movies, they did it to avoid unnecessaty nudity, but it´s technically a historical innacuracy.
@@jirkazalabak1514 I stand corrected. In the movie, it made it seem like the factory was in another place, but you were right it was in the same complex.
@Zack Browning I agree with you I'm not saying that bad shit doesn't happen to other people but it makes me sick that they don't want to tell you about Americans going through persecution and we're trying to be persecuted right now especially white people and also I'm a Christian and it upsets me that in mainstream world war II history they want to make it all about the Jews the Jews the Jews where they were persecuted but they don't want to say anything about Christians being persecuted in world war II see I didn't find that out until after I got out of school that Christians were also persecuted by the Nazis is because they want to brainwash you and to making you think it only happened to Jews makes me sick
You could. Everybody who answered you could. Everybody could. That is the lesson of it. These were not mentally disturbed people, like people call them psychopaths and alike. Hundred of thousands of people, and all are psychopaths? Unlikely. Under the right circumstances you will even torture.
'Why have two words for the same thing' Says the German, who's language is filled with such words that mean different things depending on their context
I disagree, despite the evil and horridness of the behavior, the Nazis were not evil or soulless, they were exceptional in no way. Rather a product of the social, political and economic circumstances of the time. And there lies our collective responsibility to make sure that the circumstances like that never manifest again. Too easy is it to blame this all on a few 'evil' men. But in doing so I fear we distance ourselves and diminish all our responsibility to not allow history to repeat itself in the worst way. Ordinary people are capable of truly horrendous and indifferent behavior in extraordinary circumstances.
@@nathanstephens1791 undoubtedly, this is most articulate and thought out response of such barbarity that I have read in recent times. You are right. We are all capable - what matters is what creates those conditions. We all make choices, even if we believe that we had no/limited choices. Whether intentionally or blindly, all people of a social group can descend to such. It is a lesson for us not to separate into 'group' think or identity - or we risk losing our humanity and individual conscious and social responsibility. Thank you for your response.
It is a scene from Hades. I know German soldiers lived in fear but seemed to become immune. Cowardice is one excuse but how on earth could they carry on ?
There is not one single example from camp guards to einsatzgruppen of any soldier, policeman or guard ever being punished or sent to the eastern front for refusing to participate. To talk about fear is to misunderstand what psychological processes were at work here. One thing for certain is that they were free NOT to participate
@@andrewthornber7783 agreed, numerous cases of ss or police refusing to participate in more graphic duties and simply just reassigned to some other job such as guard duty, those that took part in this were sociopathic sadists that either viewed these people as not human or just enjoyed it for sadistic pleasure
I watch a short chip on the news of a woman who I believe is a teachers union head saying people who don't think as she and the group of supporters need to just die. Wow!!! I wonder if she truly knows just how dangerous it is to think like that.
We still had chamber pigs for sensory taste pleasure. It's never stopped. It was happening long before and long after. Stop supporting another holocaust and live vegan. ❤️
Hey I have a insane bat shit crazy idea!!! How about we STOP history for once in our history from REPEATING ITSELF??? YOU KNOW FINALLY BREAK THE CYCLE??? IKR? Totally insane, lunacy of an idea (sarcasm) 🙏❤️👊🇺🇲🇺🇲
This breaks my heart! Think about being a member of the Sonderkommando and having to escort your own family, friends and neighbors into the gas chamber and then having to empty the gas chamber and burn their bodies after they were gassed! Not being able to tell them what was getting ready to happen to them! Imagine the hell and torment that those poor men went through on a daily basis!
You cannot understand because you are not God, you dont have the mind of God or His heart. You are comparing your thought to God's thoughts that is a mistake. HE can forgive if the person repents, where as you can not. HE is God.
This is the darkest film I've ever seen. (Although apparently Son of Saul is a contender. It is also about a Sonderkommando.) I had trouble sleeping afterwards. Just...blech. Thank god all these assholes are dead and, I believe, have gone on to whatever fate they earned.
Some Survivor from sonderkommando, in their Memory, said they had to wet the bodies to prevent them from sticking to the stretchers which were hot and were used to push the corpses into the ovens, and put much corpses they can for accelerate the enourmous amount of corpses
@@andreaantonioli9239 Sounds plausible, doesn't explain the blood part though. They had been gased which does not really cause much bleeding, if any at all. My guess is they made the corpses bleed out afterwards so they were dryer for cremation, burning better? Not sure though.
@@vgames1543 When you are gassed with the poison the struggle of survival begin and you want on the top of the room because the rest of the oxygen is on the top. Children and the infirm die on the bottom. In this emergeny sitaution they were fighting or cramped to death and injure someone else
I seem to recall in survivor testimonials that there were people in the chambers killed by trampling one another in blind desperation of trying to escape the gas. Kind of like the phenomena of scuba divers suddenly thinking their breathing apparatus isn’t working, and in blind panic will often end up physically hurting other nearby divers in a panic desperation of getting to the surface for oxygen
Havey Keitel is such a miscast in this film! Not at all the smallest similarity with the original much younger Erich Muhsfeldt. Beside this fact: a great film
I believe all this people at that time where devil possessed otherwise how could a human do such a horrible thing to another human being. My God please dont let humanity do this ever again too each other .Amen
@@schutzstaffel_officer3552 It's funny how so many holocaust deniers coincidentally support the regime that caused the holocaust. Also, he didn't use a ballpen. Not that he used a pen, because he didn't write it.
I think I would rather have done something...like attack a guard in full anger and rage....and as a result have ended up being shot, than be forced to work in such a hellish environment.
@Ben Lui There were also rebellions at Treblinka and Sobibor death camps that resulted in a handful of prisoners surviving the war. A rebellion at Belzec was unsuccessful. Probably other efforts we will never know about. "Escape from Sobibor" is an excellent book and movie that describes this. It will permanently change your consciousness to learn that story.
Sadly helping the Nazis was the only sliver of hope, as a member of the Sonderkommando you got to life longer. And some managed to get away when the war was ending and the Nazis got careless.
The issue with that is, many of the boots on the ground SS troops were some of the most sadistic and vile people to ever exist, and were typically drunk. Had anyone resisted or attacked a guard working in the crematorium, it’s entirely likely they would have been shot in a non fatal spot and thrown into the fires alive.
I thought so too UNTIL I stood in an actual EXUCATION STAGING AREA IN HUNGRY, Surrounded by fencing..no way out ! As my 85 yr old father had witnessed as a child the GYPSIES being machine gunned!
As a child of GERMAN&HUNGARIAN refugee parents BORN in CANADA the whole NAZI HOLOCAUST STORY(s) I grew up in, hearing&thinking-it made no sence; its overembellished; can't be? -UNTIL I SAW THIS MOVIE. THIS SHOWS THE REAL DAILY STORY!!
Flight 93..911...the passengers overcame fear..they died in a justified way..thats a hard choice to make...die fighting or become a herded sheep for slaughter
Why are people speaking english in this movie? Sure, you want to understand it too, but subtitles could do that. Everything in this movie is german, german Nazis, german crimes.
I am disappointed by the movie-artificiality. Lawn sprinklers? Inductees slowly plodding along, and all well dressed? Dr. Nyiszli wearing a suit and tie? And here in the movie speaking much more forthrightly to SS Mussfeldt than the doctor ever wrote that he did? If you read ( are able to read ) the original accounts, you can never settle for the Hollywood version.
How they were dressed depended on where they were coming from. Not everyone was poor and from the country. They did plod along in those lines. They had no choice and did not know they were walking to their deaths.
Different groups of Jews were shipped to Auschwitz under different circumstances. MANY arrived in fairly good condition... and were transported directly from their hometowns... and did not endure incarceration in a ghetto prior to Auschwitz. Some arrived in NICE trains ... regular passenger trains. First class transport to their deaths. Learn you history.
The lawn sprinklers ... I noticed that too. My guess is ... they would NOT have put that in the movie unless there was some historical reference to it. I do know that Birkenau had huge problems with "water run off" .... and there was just mud everywhere. If there even was grass ... it would have been in the grey zone by the crematoriums, because anywhere else the prisoners would have eaten all the grass. The Nazis went to great lengths to make the approaches to the crematoriums as nice as possible. So, it makes logical sense that they had sprinklers ... but... I personally don't know of any historical reference to them.
KARGOCULT must have been there...Or NOT? Many film creators refer to some of the ACTUAL survivals for accurate content & material. Some parts may be scripted but much actual & important events aren't just simply "Fudged".
Dr Nyiszli was kept at the side of Mengele to perform autopsies, so he was well- fed and dressed, and he was even given some freedom to walk around the camp. His family was held hostage in camp as guarantee of his obedience.
People should not forget the horror that went on in these camps The snowflake society and woke people saying it's too upsetting and not remember anymore which is wrong we should be reminded as we don't want anything like this to ever happen again
Well something similiar to this is already in the works for people who dont comply to NWO/one world government...which will be upon us soon...get right with jesus people!
This what happens when one group has guns and another doesn't. And there are those out there who wonder why we Americans have given ourselves the right to keep and bear arms.
@@vedicardi And yet the Germans conquered Poland in 18 days. And because their Jewish citizens were unarmed, they had no way to defend themselves from being herded into ghettos, which was an initial step into the concentration camps.
@@kasession are you forgetting the polish army and polish partisans? not only that, but it is not true that polish jewish citizens were unarmed. that was only in germany itself. all other countries invaded by germany were overrun despite the fact their citizens could arm themselves and continued to after the invasion.
Look what they did to the Poles after the Communists took over after the war. Put them in camps and executed them the same. But that history is not talked about.
>The Jews did not face internment. They faced extermination. There is countless evidence of this. >The Jews did nothing to warrant execution nor internment. It's like me killing you because of your blood type.
They DID use various byproducts of the process for other purposes... I know they had prisoners spread some of the ashes on the pathways the Nazis walked on ... because Birkenau was a very muddy site... and it also helped in the winter to make the pathways less slippery. Great. Nazis walking around in their stupid shiny boots on the ashes of the people they were murdering by the thousands .....
@@stevecorneliussen6312 Yes they did. The shaved hair went into matresses and pillow stuffing, and of course all teeth with any gold were pulled. Look up the female guard that had a lampshade made from the skins of men that had tattoos
Wrong. Fireman here. What you have there is an intense fire and the heat is drawing up a lot of unburned fuel. That fuel rises and ignites at the top of the chimney when it comes into contact with the outside air. The more intense the fire, the more pronounced this effect becomes because higher intensity increases the amount of unburned fuel in the smoke. You are obviously no expert on fire behavior, so I would be more circumspect regarding things I don't understand were I you.
Think logically about the matter of being armed... and with State of the Art weapons too. In the garden, the night Jesus was betrayed... the Apostle Peter 'Drew his Sword and cut off the ear of the soldier''...Jesus replaced the ear by a miracle performed. Now.. .this begs the question: How is it that Peter was even carrying a Sword ? in the presence of Jesus , who is God? And... we must assume Peter always carried a sword! And if Peter carried a sword then so too did all the Apostles of Jesus and all of the time. So too did every man... everywhere. Jesus never made an objection to this practice of going about while armed... right! Now also we must conclude that the 'sword' for its time was the 'State of the Art Weapon' … right? Of course, we all know, the Sword was the weapon of choice for every man... every soldier. There is no doubt about it. Now given the above noted facts... we must acknowledge that the Apostles of God choose State of the Art weaponry... not to be redundant... but some folks need this point of fact driven in a bit before they realize the veracity of this factoid. ……. So now...…...if we fast forward to the present time in history... we must also beg the answer to this question: "If the apostles choose to carry State of the Art Weapons/Tools... then should we not do so in like-kind? Well the answer is at hand: Of course we should. No one should attempt to infringe on that God give right ! No one No government can override the will of God-granted-rights.. Now, if that event in the Garden were to occur tonight...… would not Peter have another, current day State of the Art weapon... say a .45 ACP Pistol in hand? And wouldn't he then 'Shoot off the ear of the soldier? Of course Jesus would then perform the came miracle of repairing that ear. So, the moral of this story is: We are, by God, given the Right to possess State of the Art weaponry... period.. It is not even arguable. Think about this logically now. Every antiGod government wants to disarm the citizenry... every time and history does prove this fact.
I'm German, proud of it, and I could not give two shits whether this jewish genocide happened or not. We don't owe you a thing, not even the time of day. Just like the Turkish could not care any less about the Armenian genocide. And before you mouth off, first give an explanation why Jews are more important than Armenians or get lost.
Why compare which murder is worse? This is murder and it's sick to try and down play it. This attitude you and your fellow Germans share is thr reason this topic isn't hardly covered in schools. You can't handle the truth. You are cowards and it's pitiful
Statinskill: For one thing, nobody said the Jews are more important than the Armenians. "Wether this Jewish genocide happened or not'' vividly displays your ignorance and stupidity. And Nazi sympathies. Too bad Germany is being overrun by Muslims huh? Better fast forward to the 21st century Nazi ASSHOLE. I don't want the Muslims overrunning the place any more than you do but get the fuck over Hitler and the Nazi cocksuckers real soon. Focus on what's going on NOW and save your country and its culture! Or 30 years from now it will be all over with. Might as well practice praying to the east fucktard.
What a great work of fiction! It takes 8 hours an 200lbs of crushed coal to creamate a 150lb body. That would leave the teeth, longbones and spinal discs left. The amount of fuel and time needed would require 42 ovens running 24/7 for 39 years.
They did not use regular furnaces nor regular crematoria. They specifically engineered furnaces to optimize the process. They shoved three, sometimes four or more bodies at a time. It was not only possible, it was plausible. And it happened.
