World of Tanks - Schrodingers' Tank Destroyer 

It seems that in talking about an entire line of TDs that didn't exist I managed to pick a battle featuring the only one that actually did. The Mighty Jingles, being crap since 1970!

nothing quite like Jingles talking about a tank that existed, focusing primarily on the fact that it didn't exist. Oh Jingles...

Actually Jingles, the Ho-Ni series tank destroyers did indeed exist. They were built on the hulls of the Type 97 Chi-Ha medium tank.

As you've already seen on other comments, the Ho-Ni tank destroyer series did exist: the Ho-Ni Type 1, which fought in the Philippines and Burma, is an open-top TD and SPA, armed with the 75mm Type 90 field gun with 56 rounds of ammo. The Type 2 is a modified Type 1, with a redesigned superstructure, repositioned observation visors, and the 105mm Type 91 howitzer. The TD in this video, the Type 3, is an fully enclosed, casemate type TD, using the high-velocity 75mm Type 3 antitank gun from the Type 3 Chi-Nu. Only pictures remain of the Ho-Ni Types 2 and 3; all were scrapped after the war. However, a Ho-Ni Type 1 do survive to this day. This example was captured on April 6, 1945 in Luzon by the US Army's 36th Infantry Division and is now at the Anniston Army Depot in Bynum, Alabama.

I see Jingles is sending us a new batch of workers to the salt mines. You've got some more have ya old bugger

Ah yes, the Horny Tank. Also, Jingles speaking about the Maus but the actually talking about the E-100.

jingles , the maus prototype no.1 was fitted witha casemate to replicate the weight of the turret . but prototype no 2 was in fact fitted with a turret and both armaments and was mated with hull 1 when the russians captured it

The Ho Ni 3 is in warthunder and has a wiki page, I think its one of the only ones that actually existed in the line

Gotta love refreshing RU-vid at 2:52 AM and seeing a Jingles video pop up in your feed that's only 1 minute old

Well Jingles, there was a real-life Ho-Ni III, which is the Type 3 Ho-Ni III. This tank destroyer was built on the chassis of the Type 3 Chi-Nu medium tank and there was limited production of them that were built at the very end of WW2. It was built to replace the Type 1 Ho-Ni I tank destroyer that did saw combat in the late stages of the Pacific war in the Philippines. They're armed with the same 75mm Type 3 gun that the Chi-Nu has, and as with the Chi-Nu, the Japanese Army was saving them to defend mainland Japan from the expectation of the main allied invasion of Japan.

Wikipedia page for "Japanese tanks of World War II" - the first picture has Type 3 Ho-Ni III in it. Oh Jingles, never change.

The MAUS most certainly did have a working turret...two hulls were built, but only one turret. Check Kubinka.

From Wiki, production numbers for Ho Ni artillery/tank destroyer: 26 of Type I and 54 of Type II and 31 of Type III So, they existed. They are probably not accurately portrayed, but no tanks in WoT IS.

That dig at the end about Wargaming monetizing the "teamwork consumable" is utter gold! (ammo)

Jingles: Nope, never actually existed! Me: *stares at the same vehicle in War Thunder, as well as the wikipedia article talking about the thirty-one Ho-Ni III built from 1944 and on, most of which were stationed in Japan but never used because Japan surrendered before they could enter conflict, and links to information on the Type 1 Ho-Ni 1 and 2, as well as the Type 2 Ho-I, and other Japanese tank destroyers listed at the bottom* ....uuuuhhhhhhh.......you sure about that Jingles?

Hey Jingles, I just wanted to say thank you for everything you've done over the years. I can remember watching your videos when I was ten years old. I grew up with your channel. I am now nineteen, and graduating from high school, and every time you upload, I get that same feeling ten year old me did. You've shaped not only my past, but also my future. Your knowledge of tanks, ships, and aircraft sparked a fascination for history and military vehicles in me. I'm not only going into college as a history major, but I'm also joining the Air Force ROTC, and it's hard to find inspiration for these decisions anywhere but your channel. Thank you, Jingles. You helped fuel the passions that shaped who I am as a person. You truly changed my life. ♥

Jingles, when I started WOT Arty Noobs in 2016, I did a series of posts where I detailed all the Self-Propelled Guns that were not in the game yet but could be. The Ho-Ni I was one of these: The 一式砲戦車 ホニ I, or “Isshiki ho-sensha Ho-Ni I”, was the first Japanese SPG and tank destroyer of the war. The Type 1 Gun tank Ho-Ni I was developed by the Imperial Japanese Army for use during World War II in the Pacific theater. They were meant to be self-propelled artillery and tank destroyers for armored divisions. The Type 1 Ho-Ni I was developed by using the existing Type 97 chassis and engine and replacing the gun turret with a 75 mm Type 90 Field Gun mounted in an open casemate with frontal and side armor only. The gun mounting gave ten degrees of traverse and -5 to +25 degrees of elevation; it could also traverse 20 degrees to either side, so the entire vehicle did not have to be turned. The Type 1 Ho-Ni I carried 54 rounds of ammunition. The ammo was stored inside the hull, where it used to be in the Type 97. A total of 124 units were delivered. They were designed to operate as self-propelled artillery at ranges of up to 12,000 metres (7.5 mi). The design had no provision for a defensive machine gun, which together with the open structure made it vulnerable in close combat, but they frequently had troops accompanying to provide small arms defense. The Type 1 Ho-Ni II was a variant. It mounted a Type 91 105 mm howitzer and had a slightly changed superstructure as far as the side armor with re-positioned observation visors. A total of 54 units were built. The other variant was the Type 3 Ho-Ni III which mounted a Type 3 75 mm tank gun in a completely enclosed superstructure. The Ho-Ni I saw service in Luzon, and took part in the battles following the invasion of the Philippines in 1944. However, the US Army and Marine’s M4 Shermans were far too numerous for the Ho-Ni to have a real impact during the campaign. The remainder stayed in Honshu and Kyushu, the Japanese home islands, in the prospect of facing the invasion planned by the Allies, Operation Olympic. These were later captured and never saw combat. The Ho-Ni I existed and so did the Ho-Ni III. They are not fake tanks. They should be listed as SPGs not as Tank Destroyers, but such is the hatred for SPGs being introduced to the game that Wargaming decided they needed another TD line instead. We did offer to let you have access to WOT Arty Noobs back in 2016, but for some reason, you didn't join. Could be you didn't like SPGs on land and preferred to play Arty at Sea or World of Warships as it became known!

There are unfortunately numerous factors which keep Japanese tanks from WWII out of common knowledge, like this line with some real vehicles most people will never have heard of. Limited usage in the Pacific (Japan's most well known theatre in the west), poor documentation of the Chinese fronts, and the outright destruction of documentation by the Japanese at the end of the war. It's no wonder we continue to learn things here and there about them as things get uncovered. Take Mai_Waffentrager's work on learning about the O-I for example, or the conjecture regarding the photograph in China of what seems to be a turret which inspired WG's look of the Type 4/5 heavies.

Well, to be fair my Gnome overload, the Ho-Ni did actually exist.... Ho-no please dont send me to the mines 😭

6:55 and as Rodney showed some Tigers at Normandie, when facing warships, say from the IJA's biggest enemy, the IJN, it doesn't matter how good your tank is, battleships will win, that's if Mogami doesn't torp all the transports first

The Ho Ni actually existed though, as well as the Ho Ri, although that never passed prototype phase.

AKSHUALLY, JINGLES... Half of the line was actually built (Ho-Ni III was mass produced, and both Ji-Ro and Ho-Ri "III" received a prototype each, and the Ho-Ri actually got approved for production). The other two Ho-Ris were part of the design development and are very well known, and both Chi-To SP and Ka-Ri (aka Chi-Ri SP) were early proposals, previous to the Ho-Ri development. Hell, there are even more Japanese tank destroyers that people wanted to see in the game, like the Na-To, the Ka-To, or even a Chi-Ha with a huge 120 mm naval gun mounted on top of it. And, of course, both Ho-Ni I and Ho-Ni II. But well, it wouldn't be a Jingles video if our gnome overlord didn't get something wrong.

8:56 Credit where it's due to whichever arty was paying attention. About 15 seconds passes between Lestat's sixth sense going off and the arty shot. He was probably unspotted by the time he nestled up behind the M44's wreck so someone noticed it shifting slightly and must've twigged he was there, however briefly, and hoped he'd stay hidden behind it.

Actually Jingles, There are still tanks missing in the game that exist and were even in servis. Like the Kürassier

World of Tanks: This steel-armoured military vehicle with rifled artillery is completely made up! World of Warships: "First time?"

Honestly Jingles I was surprised when WG came out with the Japanese line of armor since the Japanese battle style did not really take advantage of tanks figuring most of their battlegrounds were jungle or mountains. It did not make sense for them to invest heavily in tanks. I did see a Japanese tank in a museum once a long time ago so I knew they existed but were rare.

I’m reminded of the headline “ Old man shouts at Cloud” with this video.

Wow, an occasion where “Well, actually Jingles…” is appropriate.

I dont mind blueprints, its the ones that were never even blueprints that gets me

*ACKCHULY* ..... oh for craps sake. Jingles made a whoopsie. The world is literally over.

Props to the enemy artillery team, they stood up when everyone else was dead.

Never change Jingles, never change. We love ya

because Mk I & Mk II will be introduced later via loot box, and together form a collection that is required for getting another premium tank.

It looks like a Marder III Ausf. H, Sd.Kfz. 138 based on a Japanese tank rather than a Pz 38t.

Well played. That is a lot of damage for that tier.

apparently The tier X Ho-Ri 3 actually existed and was built and tested....but was only in the prototype phase. The Ho-Ri 1 and 2 were only paper tanks but they took those two concepts and put it into the Ho-Ri 3 which was completed in 1944..the only one to exist

Not only Ho-Ni existed in three variants, but also the Ji-Ro was made in metal as well. And there are hints the Ho-Ri was also made as a one-off prototype.

Jingles we love, don't ever change.....just do some research!

Still an entertaining video so don't worry about it old man!

Nice one Jingles Thanks

I read that several Japanese nobles that opposed the war and spent the under house arrest a long way from anywhere that got bombed. One was a diplomate who had served in Australia and had warned about the threats. After the war he wound up running the post war diplomatic corps for Japan. However two others were engineers in the military field. It makes me wonder if Japan actually jailed their smarted people. The Diplomat saved hundreds of people. While he was technically under arrest he still had clout with the emperor. So he could still demand people to work his noble estate and with a few well placed hints got a large number of fellow 'dissidents' sent to work his farm and mansion. They probably hated it but they worn in Tokyo, Hiroshima or Nagasaki when those cities burned.

of an entire line of tanks that didn't really exist outside of paper or mockups you chose the one bloody tank that was actually produced to call fake. there is a 0% chance you are not trolling at this point and congratulations because it bloody worked

I have this tank, and don't enjoy playing it much. Maybe I'll give it another try. Fun video !

Imagine being a formidable experimental tank and people are arguing whether you exist or not

Well done!!!! What a good team!!!

The Mighty Jingles never disappoints in his commentary.

Oh Jingles, you so silly. Never change.

Whole lot of people going to the coal mines this video

Just some elaboration, there are tons of comments saying the Ho-Ni series existed, that is correct. The type-95 Ji-Ro also existed, but not like the one seen in game. The Chi-To SP didn't exist for what I know, but the Ho-Ri series existed as well, but also not exactly as seen in game.

nice to see you back on tanks, met you at tank fest a few years ago.

Jingles"... you might as well play mech warrior..." Me: loading up mech warrior on my other monitor....

Actually Jingles :) As mentioned by others there were 2 Maus prototypes at then end of the war. One with a mock turret, and one fully functional. Additionally there were various hulls and turrets in various stages of completion. Actually part 2: The Stug III was developed alongside the Panzer III, First prototype was built in 1937, and first combat was in 1940 in France, when the Germany Army still consisted mostly of Panzer I, II and III. It was designed as an infanterysupport vehicle with a short 75mm gun similar to the one on the early Panzer IV. Onlly later in the war it received the long 75mm as early combat showed that the short gun lacked in armor penetration. Ausführung A-E had the short gun, and with Ausführung F they started the upgunned Stugs.

If I remember correctly, in the early 1930s the Japanese tanks were about as good as most everybody elses, maybe better that some. But after the war started, before Dec 7, 1941, the Japanese reached a nonagression agreement with Russia, after a mini border war. This freed up Russian troops to support Stalingrad and reduced the Japanese, so they thought, need for tanks other than what they had, was removed. Thus the Army allocated resources to other things

I like to think we are all built on the hull of the Panzer III

Jingles, you are wrong about the Maus: There have been two Prototypes, the first one of them has just been an hull with an wooden turret on it (with weights in it), it was for driving tests. The second one however was a complete prototype with the original turret. The Wehrmacht Detonated both prototypes to avoid them getting on the hands of the allies, but well, the hull of the first prototype however survived slightly demaged and the turret of the second one was just blown of - the russians capturet the turret of Prototype 2 and put it back on the hull of Prototype 1 and et voila, they got a complete Maus! You can see it in the Kuninka tank museum, next so some other rare german tanks/prototypes (we germans own the least of all of the whermacht prototypes, most of them sadly are abroad and very far away) 😊✌️

Ehm, Jingles... Type 1 Ho-Ni I first deployed at the Battle of Luzon in the Philippines in 1945 - produced numbers 26. Type 1 Ho-Ni I was basically a turretless Type 97 chassis with some modifications to the hull and a Type 90 gun mounted on the former turret ring. Type 1 Ho-Ni II served as infantry support in Burma and the Philippines, all along the year 1944 and 1945. Ho-Ni II was largely based on the Ho-Ni I, and used the same Type 97 Chi-Ha chassis, then the standard IJA medium tank. Type 3 Ho-Ni III produced in numbers between 31-41 - prepared to defend Japanese Home Islands. Type 3 Ho-Ni III utilized the Type 97 chassis. The main armament of the Type 3 Ho-Ni III was a Type 3 75 mm tank gun, which was based on the 75 mm Type 90 Field Gun; the field gun itself was loosely based on the French Schneider et Cie Canon de 85 mle 1927

For Christmas they will introduce the Ho Ho Ho

Wargaming should do a full tree for Grand Fenwick.

Today I learned that Mech Warrior is as real as a Japanese WWII tank destroyer that actually existed. House Steiner needs you!

Like the vampire Lestad.

BABE WAKE UP!!!! JINGLES POSTED!

Actualy jingle the maus did exist and one of the two recive a turet and armement.... The E-100 is the one who only get a hull and was never finish....love you keep the good work

ooof jingles, 'a tank requires a turret' did you walk into a minefield on that one e😆

Schrodinger's Cat is jealous

Sorry Mighty Jingles, you are a little bit incorrect. The StuG III was basically an mobile artillery support piece for pure infantry divisions. It has the 7,5cm L/24 gun with limitited anti tank gun capabilities. Later this gun was first upgraded to an 7,5cm L/43 and finally to an L/48, which gave them a good anti tank role capability. Because of the misuse of this weapon for antitank, to fulfill the the infantry support the developed the StuH, the same chassis with an 10,5cm howitzer. But there are samples, where the turret was removed from obsolete tanks to put a gun on the chassis. Panzerjäger I; some french tanks(the tier 3 french premium TD is a german idea and some french chassis mounted with the PaK 40 were called Marder I); Marder II; Marder III (based on the PzKpfWg. 38(t);.... They did it with artillery too.

31 of these were built, but never saw battle, according to vehicle details in the actual game. and about the III-thing: Previous gun tanks, Type 1 Ho-Ni I and Type 2 Ho-I, were not really optimized designs. Type 1 Ho-Ni I and Type 1 Ho-Ni II both used an open casemate with frontal and side armour only for the main gun, which made the crew vulnerable in close combat situations. The Type 2 Ho-I, despite its enclosed rotating turret, was armed with a low-velocity howitzer more suitable against gun emplacements and fortifications. The fully enclosed and armored casemate of the Type 3 Ho-Ni III with the more powerful Type 3 75 mm tank gun was intended to address these issues, and an order of 57 was placed with Hitachi Ltd.[2] Although production began in 1944, it was hampered by material shortages, and by the bombing of Japan in World War II.[3][4] Only 31 units were completed by the time the war ended

Looking at it from above & behind, it reminds me of Voyager.

Jingles is getting all kinds of things wrong in this video, isn't he? Time for my contribution to the "Actually, Jingles" meme. The Pzkw VIII Maus existed. The Germans built two hulls and one turret out of the first five tanks ordered. The turret was mounted on one of them after it was captured by the Russians, and it's in the tank museum in Kublinka now. It's not a paper tank at all, even though it never made it into combat. The hulls were undergoing mobility and drive-train testing before the Russians got to them.

This replay makes me Honi

The Ho-Ni series did exist, with over 110 of Ho-Ni I/II/III being produced.

This is the earliest I’ve been to anything in my life

Oh Jingles, you poor, innocent fool! You think the simple fact that it's fictional doesn't cause *huge* explosions in the Battletech/Mechwarrior community when someone introduces something that isn't canon? When PGI introduced the Roughneck to MWO shit got rather toasty on the forums as it's not a mech that exists in the fluff! Never underestimate the ability of a geek or nerd to get angry over fictional stuff. Damn fine mech to drive and answers the question we've all been asking since we saw Aliens (that being "What happens if you stick armour and guns on a power loader?") but it ain't canon.

Jeez Jingles... soon WG WILL actually take a fee for battlefield platooning with that idea of yours :P

Good morning jiggles, wot on my birthday... A good day

Actually Jingles, the Bishop has the highest HP pool of any tier 5 artillery. Disproportionately so. It's like the TOG of t5 SPG. 130 alpha damage ain't too bad for a tier 5. Most other tier 5 TDs are rocking 115 or 135 or 150, so it's in the middle of the pack

Catching a Jingles vid before I go to sleep. Heck yeah! Does this exempt me from the Salt Mines?

Mechwarrior isn't historically accurate... YET.

It wouldn't be a Jingles video about WoT without him taking the majority of the video to discuss whether something in the game is historically accurate despite the fact that from Day 1 the game was historically inaccurate by design. You would not have seen an american operated Sherman dumping a derp round into the turret front of a british operated Churchill in real life yet that used to be my favorite pastime before the HE nerf. People don't play this game because of it's historical accuracy and never have, they play it because its heavily themed around a time period they're interested in, just like many other games that take place during historical events.

Jingles, isn't one of the two Maus Hulls got the turret installed but the gun wasn't yet installed into the turret when the warehouse they were being assembled got bombed and the two Maus' got damaged ?

Sorry, Jingles, you triggered my pedantry: the Stug 3 was actually designed alongside the Panzer 3, for infantry support (something the panzers in their panzer divisions was too busy to bother with). It was then trivial to upgrade it with a better (longer) gun, when that was needed (and while Panzer 3s were still doing good enough service, even.

Hush Jingles, you might give WarGaming ideas about making platoons part of premium 'only premium members can initiate a platoon, but anyone can join'

Ho Ni I was produced in 1942 and 26 vehicles were produced as an open top self propelled anti tank variant of the type 97 chi-ha. Ho Ni II added a fully enclosed superstructure and changed the gun to the 105mm Howitzer. 54 Ho Ni II vehicles were produced starting in 1943. The Ho Ni III uses an upgraded Type 3 75mm gun that was on the Chi Nu with an up armored superstructure. 34 Ho Ni III vehicles were produced starting in 1944.

Aside from all the comments about Japanese tank destroyers here, China did have tanks, namely a number of Vickers E's and then some stuff they got from Germany, which supplied a substantial amount of the Nationalist Chinese with equipment. This being stuff like Sd.Kfz 222's and Panzer I's. They also had some Renault FT's (who didn't), some stuff from the soviets, T-26's and Ba-10/11 armoured cars and then much later US equipment with M4A4 Shermans and M3A3 Stuarts, etc. Japan also fought the Soviets for Mongolia/Manchuria, the Battles of Khalkin Gol, which had a fairly prominent tank v tank engagement largely at night, with BT-5 and 7's vs the typical array of Japanese armour at the time.

"Well actually Jingles"😂

War gaming has to move beyond the early Cold War era

I just had to - Actually, Jingles... The teamwork consumable *was* a paid one in the ancient times of WoT! I mean, at least before the introduction of physics you could only platoon up if one of you had WoT Premium ( haven't played since then, so I don't remember when they made platooning available for free). I know you *technically* meant the teamwork, not the platooning, but it sounds hella funny to misinterpret it this way. xD

02:58 I started playing this game in beta because a friend of mine told me about some WWII era tank game

GG !

1.33 Ackshully JIngles.... the Maus did get a turret, the E100 didn't

The Ji-Ro died like a Hero. Ji-Ro the hero.

I can't wait for the Icelandic lines

Mediums weren’t made by Americans in the postwar. The Japanese had some influence, but it was made by the Japanese engineers. Originally the Japanese Self Defense Force purchased some M24 Chaffee tanks, but the average Japanese was about 5’ 2” vs the U.S. 5’ 6” I could be wrong on the measurements. The bottomline is the Japanese average was lower than the American’s height so Japan had a decision is take the American tanks or make their own. Getting American tanks was expensive just to get it imported and since the Japanese couldn’t reach the clutch they decided to make their own tanks. The STA series of medium tanks did have prototypes, but wasn’t really tested. The only STA series that came to fruition was the Type 61 which was deemed outdated. The only tank in the medium that can arguably be a fake tank would be the Chi-Ri because we don’t have the gun mounted on it so we don’t know exactly what gun it would be used for. Blueprints can say what gun it was supposed to be mounted on, but again we don’t know if it fits or not since the production model wasn’t completed and by then the war was over.

oh look its the tier 5 OG mader II if you remeber the good old days.!

Stupid idea (but fun): what if they introduced field guns for Frontlines, higher rate of fire and higher mobility when not set up but cannot shoot when not set up and then a middling rate of fire (between heavies and arty), and 45°-90° firing arcs but can be rotated beyond the arc with higher aim penalties than SPG’s but can only move when setup. Setup time is like 5-15 seconds depending on calibre. Same range as other artillery to encourage movement with the battle, default aim is 180° to direction of travel and crew truck is a hit box.

To be fair, alongside other mentions of the Ho-Ni series' actual existence, most of the others in the line aren't actually ENTIRELY fictional. Many of them never made it past the blueprint stage, but the blueprints DID exist and Japan had real plans to build them. Several of them, like the Ho-Ri, had actual prototypes built and were mere months away from full production. The fact that these TDs at least have actual blueprints, mock-ups, and genuine plans to produce them by the government that designed them can't be said for a lot of the other Bullshit Tanks that WG introduces.

looking at the Japanese TD line, the only 2 that I have found that didn't have blueprints or drawing on napkins are the Chi-To SP and the Ho-Ri 3

“Hmmm, Actually Jingles”

Speaking of the gun - it's comparable to the StuG IIIs 75mm gun. More or less the same gun. So... not all TDs have high alpha-damage guns. They even put this gun on the infamous E-25 at tier 7...

That td is a seal clubber when I processed it.

Actually Jingles. The Ho-Ni did exist. It even did some battle time. :P :D Thanks for another fun video though.