World of Warships - Adapt or Die 

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The battleship meta has been back line sniping for the last year or so. Deadeye wasn’t the cause, it just reinforces the meta and makes it even more unlikely that it will change.

Activate Windows, Jingles.

The most telling thing about this whole dead-eye meta? Jingles has 23 minutes to ramble on in a circular argument about it because the gameplay is so astonishingly boring it's not even worth commentary. The meta for WOWS has become "play a different game".

Spent half the replay thinking "Holy hell, if you're going to sit at the back and shoot, ACTUALLY SHOOT SOMETHING!"

That chat contains more salt than the ocean they sail on.

Alright, so there are a few things I'd like to argue that you brought up in this video Jingles. I don't necessarily think that you're wrong but I'd like to point out my opinion. For starters when you said that 10% less dispersion on a battleship skill is not that much you seem to be forgetting something about mathematics. See circles have the largest area to the smallest possible perimeter, so if you increase the diameter of a circle by 10% the area goes up exponentially. So by using deadeye even if you're playing a ship like Bismarck/Roma with terrible accuracy, it's still a massive buff because the shells are just as inaccurate but are now landing in a dispersion ellipse that's 30% smaller than it would be otherwise. So no, that 10% difference is a MASSIVE change. I completely agree with your statement "the meta changes based on what the player base thinks" this is absolutely true, however, the meta has been shifting this way for a long time and while I don't think that deadeye caused this meta it is certainly a catalyst. For example, Thunderers were already running rampant, HE spam has been going through the roof. The number of ships that could just pour out damage regardless of angle and range was massive. Battleships were already not pushing due to the massive amount of HE spam that's been put into the game but at least they weren't being actively rewarded for sitting back at long range. The deadeye skill just super-charged all of this. Now there's no way to push in and not get set on fire with very little recourse you can do, so the only thing you really can do is weather the storm. Play passively until the amount of HE spam is cut down enough for you to be able to push in without getting instantly focused. Overall this update hasn't honestly changed much (except for deadeye) but what it has done is super-charge the passive meta WG has been shoving onto us the past few years. And truth be told even if they remove deadeye (which they absolutely should) I don't see it changing the meta all that much. BB's have realized now that the only way to not get burned to death is to not be pushing, if WG really wants to improve the meta then they should be making tanking builds far more effective than they currently are. But I don't see that happening because WG (just like this player base) refuses to admit when they've made a mistake and will beat a square peg into a round hole or break the damn thing trying.

Jingles, saying one sentence in different ways for 20 minutes.

All valid points, but it makes me think of an old Japanese saying "Fix the problem, not the blame." Food for thought

In this video we discover what "meta" means. This has been the case in every game with a meta ever made. People think something is, so it is.

hmmmmm replace the word "Battleship" with "Carrier" Yes Jingles people should adapt to new styles of play. :)

Masterchief needs to give more lead to his targets. That Zao in particular.

Mmmm, no, I can't agree with Jingles here. Just tell me - in any game, when players are told "this skill will give you additional 10% bonus in accuracy for free", just how many players will not go for it? It is WG fault, which breaks the game even more, than it was before. Not some void strange "feeling" or "misunderstanding" by people, it is WG game design fault. Or, just think about it, in real life, if somebody tells you he will give you 10% extra money (or whatever) just for sitting not here but overthere, doing the same or even less work than before, will it be your fault to switch your place? And one more thought - with even more ships staying back now (enjoying their, maybe just slight, advantage), yo'll get even less support when trying to do anything else. So - you can move forward, becomming and easy target, dying in a strong HE crossfire, or you'll stay back as well, becomming a part of the problem ...

There are few feelings as wonderful as catching a Jingles video within 30 minutes of it posting

This reminds me of something I was taught, way back in the days when I was studying HCI... "A user can learn to compensate for a bad interface, but it's still a bad interface". In other words: players might adapt to the various changes, but it's still a bad game.

We are not thinking machines that feel. We are feeling machines that think. - Roberto Dimassio.

The meta is the meta we all agree, however, its still shit game design to take something thats been bitched about for oh jeez i dunno since bow tanking has been discovered and then add a skill that will explicitly make that problematic play style even more viable than it already was, and i can see how immensely frustrating that can be to be on the receiving end of

Jingles: I'm gonna talk about the dead eye skill. Me who plays on Console: What's that?

old man jingles bringing actual life advice with a hint of gameplay. Well done :)

Deadeye should have come with a 25% increased loading time.

"World of I don't play this anymore"

Whether you view a problem as “factually true” or “true based on perception” is irrelevant. The point is that the introduction of the deadeye skill has DIRECTLY led to a negative change in the way the game plays. If you take away the deadeye skill, ALL of the problems listed in the video are resolved. If that doesn’t tell you what the solution is I don’t know what to tell you.

The dead eye skill just incentivizes the BB's to stay at the back of the map.

23 and a half minutes for something that can be summed up in a single sentence... "The only way to win is not to play."

ladies and gentlemen i give you philosopher jingles

sounds like everyone have been taking lessons from Warhammer 40k Orks, if enough of us believe it then it works

We can play other games and either the game can "die", or the Devs can... "Adapt" Hell, I moved on after realizing the game is broken because of CV's after the rework. When people start to say, "If you don't like it, play something else." They can't pretend to be surprised when players do just that.

In which Jingles ruminates for a half hour on the definition of "metagame." Love ya man

I have never seen somebody sitting full broadside for that amount of time..

TL;DR: A 23 minute discussion saying repeatedly that the game meta has changed because of the perception, not the reality, of the dead eye skill.

My head is spinning after listening to the first 13 minutes as the narration goes around and around and around in circles..

Take a shot every time Jingles says "dead eye"

There will come a day when WG will release World of coastal batteries, there with a 10Point commander you get the auto fire mode and can finally relax in front of your monitor and let the bots duke it out. Both WoWs and WoT have totally taken the component of maneuvering out of the equation. But hey next black market is coming up ;-)

Something to point out here at 15:10 : In terms of motivation it is very helpful to look for the blame of your own failure in an external source, if you, for example, fail a test and afterwards say "that stupid teacher asked exactly the wrong questions, that was just bad luck for me" then your motivation to learn for the next test on that subject will likely not suffer too much. However if you fail that test and say "I'm not clever enough for this subject, everybody else is way smarter than me", then your motivation will likely suffer very heavily because of your sinking self-esteem and to add insult to injury, you will probably develop fear towards that subject. (If you want you can look that up in a psychology book, attribution of failure/success is a well researched topic) So, Jingles, when you say that the person that first points the finger at himself is incredibly rare, i argue that you are wrong. Because for something entirely optional, like WOWS, if you lose motivation for it you can always just quit, it's not like in school where you somehow have to get through it. That being the case you might be right, that the average WOWS-player will always blame everybody else first, because the people that accept, that it was their lack of ability which lead to failure, will very likely not play for very long. I could add another chapter to this comment about people who always look for the blame in themselves and even attribute their successes to external source (ah, i was just lucky), but those people aren't really relevant since they have a very dangerously dysfunctional motivational self-concept and probably would not be found in game, if they applied that self-concept to it.

Reminds me of an old saying from an amazing mentor of mine years ago... "Perception is reality" "Always remember if someone thinks something, the facts will not matter to them..."

"Don't you think she looks tired" is the quote that came to mind when Jingles was talking about perception and reality.

for WG each change creates not "how it will improve the game?" reactions, but rather "is it as bad as you think?" and you can't blame players since they were screwed by WG many times before

"You can trace all of this back to the Dead Eye skill, but that doesn't mean the Dead Eye skill is responsible for it" I mean, cause and effect is very much a thing, and this sentence kind of ignores it. If you can trace an effect back to a particular cause, then _that is the cause of the effect._

You blew your own arguments out of the water with the ending at 23:00, Jingles.

Serious Jingles is serious. Fair reasoning mate and i totally agree with you.

when I see, that I get no support, I retreat...sometimes you have mates with you and you are busy with the battle and the next time you look, you are completely alone...

Jingles it looking at both sides of the argument? Well this is my time to shine then, jingles, will you let us out of the salt mines? It’s uncomfortable in here. Jingles? Wait... why are you closing that gate.. JINGLES

Wow, that's a deep dive there Jingles :) Some serious life lessons!

'ACTUALLY JINGLES' Hehe, Cruiser players have been dropping in randoms before the new captain skills because of the the back camping Battleships. For me Deadeye is just promoting MORE back camp.

Jingles is trying so hard to convince battleship players not to pick deadeye and instead move forward.

Actually Jingles.... the presence of the Dead eye skill is affecting how people play, and yes changing everything else

Congratulations Jingles ! You have discovered the real meaning of The Meta™, and why game design is 50% about gameplay mechanics and 50% about the perception of those mechanics.

Nice analysis. This happens a lot when people loose perspective on cause and effect. And the power of self fulfilling prophecy.

Jingles, I think you also forget the ships that shore as sh*t don’t have the range to shoot 20+ km out and are forced to get close ( no not referring to DD’s ), the Belfast 43 for example. Those type of ships are forced to get close and then as a result to the current nonsense get focused and killed without getting the chance to be useful to the team

Well said Jingles, I don't play WOWS (mostly haven't since Closed Beta) but your points throughout the video are 100% spot on for life in general! While I'm not one who got their feather's ruffled by your points, if it'll make you laugh I'll ruffle them anyway! Love your WOWS videos, and the history or stories you usually try to bring to them, and most everything else you make!

Jingles just brilliantly summarized a ground-breaking book called "Black Box Thinking". I highly suggest you all to give it a read; it's some pretty revelatory stuff.

Brilliant commentary, Jingles. My compliments.

Master Chief, mind telling me what you're doing on that ship?

I appreciate the new angle at looking at this, its something everyone should know who plays battleships.

"There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure the truth. " -Maya Angelou

And things like this change, and WG's refusal to listen to it's testers, is no small part of why I left NA Supertest and stopped playing the game, after having been here since alpha.

"master chief here in the soviet tire ten battleship the slava" I've never heard something so epic in my life... ...ahhhhh imagine the sight...

So that ending made me think of Paul Harvey saying, 'And thats, the rest of the story', so much that I had to put it into everyone else's head too. If you know who that is of course. Spot on analysis Jingles!

I'm five months late to watching this but thank you so much for saying what you did so thoroughly! If we all were willing to say "hey, I know I'm susceptible to this psychological pitfall. i better be careful." it would be far easier to acknowledge when we're mistaken and be objective about things. There's no shame in being human and no shame in being wrong. The only shame is in failing to acknowledge it and correct it.

What is the mod (?) for the healable damage?

that was a long winded way of just saying, "Git Gud"

I really like you, not just your content but over the years of watching your content you start to understand a person. I may be drinking and probably would not comment about this the same way as I am if I were sober. I believe I could see you a friend, something I don't make common. I very much enjoy who you are as a person and the things I see come out of you. I agree with almost all of your points of view and those I don't I really take a good hard look at to see if I may learn something from them. Thank you very much for all the work you do to put into your content I am very grateful. Both from the enjoyment of the content and also from what I have really taken into my knowledge. Even such things as what South Africa looks like now compare to when you were there.

Jingles: Makes several videos comparing battleship guns to rail guns with dead eye skill and constantly reiterates the idea that battleships are more accurate at the back of the map* Also Jingles: Complaining about how people’s changed perception of deaf eye skill is what changes gameplay.

I took one look at the deadeye skill and thought "Only 10 percent? And 4 skillpoints? Meh, not worth it." ... and left it at that. 😜

Everyone derping around at the back with deadeye: Racking up massive damage and spamming HE beyond belief Me with my full sec build GK having fun: So anyway I started blasting

one of your best commentaries so far Jingles!

When the dispersion is an ellipse and one skill improves the vertical dispersion by 10%, the effect tends to multiply. The actual improvement the skill provides is close to 20%. PQ just posted a great video illustrating how Yammy made a misplay by getting within 22km from Thunderer.

Haven't bothered pressing the W key since the rework, just load the longest range battleships of the tier and right click it's practically playing arty in WoT now.

"-10% dispersion" _actually_ means your guns will have 19% smaller dispersion. This is because the number quoted is for the horizontal dispersion alone, but the shape of the dispersion ellipse doesn't change, so you need to square the number to get how much the area actually is reduced. If your dispersion is reduced by 10%, the _area_ of the dispersion ellipse is reduced by 19%. In other words, if you did 100k damage by staying in the back before, you might do as much as 123k now (=100k/0.81). That is not a trivial change.

Dawm jingles that totally sounds like orks in a waaaaghh if enough belief is there it becomes reality. Awesome video

You make an extremely good point that I have also noticed. In cruisers you simply have to be a lot more patient. You have to wait for the right moment to push rather than try to claim the momentum and let that carry you.

Dare you to do the same analysis with carriers.

Jingles is offering real world advice that makes sense. (Looks nervously out the window for the four horsemen of the apocalypse.)

You should know better than most, Jingles, that the Deadeye skill is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

Bit of a 40k Ork Waaagh magic moment over here Jingles.

Easy summary: self fulfilling prophecy.

So, in once sentence: "Dead Eye isn't game-breakingly good, but the game is broken because everyone is trying to use it." :D

Awesome thoughts on that philosophy-thingy Jingles! Very well spoken

The commentary reminded very much of James Burke on a episode of "Connections" back in the 90s. Well thought out and presented. Good job Jingles!

Honestly this is how naval battles with battleships should be, they should be far range trading salvos not mountian hugging fighting My opinion tho

The deadeye skill. Because historically battleship gun accuracy has always been improved by not seeing what they are shooting at and having enemy ships' positions reported to them via radio from a ship that can see the target. Right. :P

Old Jingles really put some Overthought into this video. Talked his way right into it!

Back in my college days, I took a course on modern philosophy. In that course, we learned of George Berkely's observation that "esse est percipi (aut percipere)" meaning "to exist is to be perceived (or to be the perceiver)". It seems that has been demonstrated here.

So Jingles are you saying we are like Orks? What we think is true becomes true.

"Masterchief, you really turned that battle around" Uhhh....? His aim was crap, he had zero impact on the battle and the only thing he accomplished was cleaning up scraps after the match was decided. He played passively even for a sniper.

Player Base: These matches could not be more boring and drawn out. Wargaming: Hold our Vodka.

I love it when the Old Gnome gets philosophical.

Whenever I'm demonstrably wrong, it makes me feel better to blame others.

Jingles out here with the logic everyone needs to hear. Back to the salt mines aye sir.

This was a great video. It's true what you're saying Mighty Jingles. I mostly play the console version (World of Warships Legends) and that version I've noticed a change in the way people play that game and I've even mentioned where the problems are coming from but I get shot down because too many people believe it's not an issue and the game play changes because people don't see the issue. This also carries on to the new players of this game who learn from the "experts" or experienced players of the game and the cycle continues.

Love Philosophical Jingles. Now if we could just get story time with Uncle Jingles...

Feel when I get back to playing WoWs I’m still going to do secondary build as it’s what ai enjoy playing

I knew this video would be made by somebody Well done Jingles, well done

Jingles: Current meta kinda sucks... also Jingles: If you can’t beat’em join’em... also, also Jingles: don’t look a way while the Slava crushes the entire red team with the dead eye skill... I need a beer...

Jingles, you old philosopher! Perceiption is reality. All what you see or have seen, is just a stream within a stream...(or so). :)

Hey Jingles, no one ever blamed the players. This is Wargamings fault...

Last time I was this early it was tomorrow

Thank you for putting to words EXACTLY how I felt when I stopped playing World of Tanks.

It always amuses me that the first ones to die immediately think they are Horatio Fucking Nelson, and spend the rest of the game haranguing us with their wisdom.

There is a third option: leave the game. This boring meta created by WG stupid and uninteresting. So why adapt to something that won't provide any enjoyment?