World of Warships - Loser 

Thanks for the translation, but I'm still not sure what he's on about.

I didn't think incoherent was a language.

You're right. He is on The Great Flambino vid.

Proposed changes: Lass(t) uns verleieren = Let's lose (to avoid that it sounds like a command) wo jeder 3. Torpedo(s) abkann = where everyone can withstand 3 torpedos und die eigen(e) ki = and the own AI

Now that you mention it.... I actually can, and I also remember the savage beating Jingles have him in that video as well... A bit like in this video🤣

Agree 100%

So true!

Thanks for saying this. I am one of these potatoes.

An average player (within the center 33% or 50% of players, depending on definition) is worth more than a bad player (definitely single digit worst player) that does nothing.

@@bobmartin9918 Me too Bob. However, even a potato can have a really good day ;)

... and therefore increased the likelyhood of us winning... XD

@@spacedreamer9055 I'm pretty sure that was meant ironically. No matter how bad your CV is, you'd still rather have her in the game than not, for the spotting if nothing else.

@buffalo wt yeah I did the math. Without him they would have had about 2 point higher win percent

Imagine if that happened during World War 2...oh wait.

@@karthus006 Except they missed those three accursed carriers. OP ships be OP OPing. And the subs.

If i was in that game and died very early then see a victory report while I'm in port and to see a win with 0 ships I'd be extremely confused 😕.

They really need to get rid of the idiotic time extension. Make 20 minutes actually 20 minutes or make it explicit that games are actually a hair over 20 mins. The outcome at least worked out favourably in this particular video as the green team did have more points when time ‘expired’, but it isn’t consistent. I’ve had games where we were barely ahead when the time hit zero... and then the game kept on going for another 5 fucking seconds, letting the enemy overtake us in the overtime to steal an undeserved win. It’s the same thing in WoT and it’s completely unfun.

@@ShawFujikawa It’s been a long time since I’ve played, but I recall WG games extends the timer every time a player is destroyed. Always been that way.

lol

NGL, I've had games where I could've been a red player on a jingles video and would've made the normal red players look smart

Was thinking the same thing. LOL.

@@doomboygammer6009 and me. I have a 51% wr but im still pretty bad

@@doomboygammer6009 Yeah, some games you just blunder into a bad spot and feel like an absolute idiot later once you realize what you did.

Flamu

thats a function of mass/energy rather than density

@@artruisjoew5473 And mass is a function of density and volume, so there's a positive relation between density and mass.

@@artruisjoew5473 it was also just a joke not a paper published in the scientific journal.

Jokes aside where's the waterless hole to the bottom of the ocean sucking in all ships and islands within a 1000km radius??

Einstern would be proud of that comment rofl nice one

Ever seen Psycho-Pass? Yeah, it's anime, which counts most people out. And a particularly dark and gory one at that.

We are there already. Apart from the information being public about everyone. Of course, while predictions like there are useful, they are only useful if you know how to use them. So, there is a 90% that candidate A will be right for the job going by the data, wile candidate B will be right for the job by only 80%, which one should you hire? Candidate A shows up for the interview in a smelly T-shirt and dirty jeans, because they know their stats are better than B. B on the other hand makes an effort. I know who will get the job. because B clearly want to make up for their deficiencies, while A will just sit back and do their bare minimum. In time, B will improve and become better than A.

Minority report. Imagine police making decisions based on it.

Never tell me the odds

Black Mirror pretty much took that idea several times... scary to say the least

The potato wanted a glass of whine with his pity-party while serenaded by the world's smallest violin playing a dirge.

@Tobias Time Yeah, I find that crazy as well, just winning or losing shouldn't impact base xp that heavily. Should instead be added as a modifier afterwards.

Yes 7% better in that CV, from just one game.

“I learned about it from you!”

Back when I played WOT, it was quite helpful. As Jingles pointed out, it often did allow me to understand my opponent better. A took more chances with a poor player and was a lot more careful with a good player. That said, I never gave up a fight regardless of how little chance the XVM calculated for me - at some point I even disabled that feature and only kept the part where the players were color-graded as well as last known positions etc.

Unfair Carrier, Kemp Ocean?

Admiral von Schrader

Let us savour how appropriate it is to link the unfair plane to a carrier player. Hmmm. Yes. Perfection.

@@neometallX nah it’s probably unfair carrier he kemp island

Maybe even Great Sea Schraeder. Or just a Grade: C Schraeder? Hmm.

Yep, I know mine did. I don't use it any more -- having to reinstall the mod after each update and reengage the site every 2 or 4 weeks is too much of a hassle for this filthy casual -- but when I did, I steered myself towards the less skilled players and kept myself the hell away from the very skilled players. Unfortunately, this never really worked out as all it did was give me a crisis of confidence every time someone with a better colour rating than me showed up. It made me panic, where as not knowing, you try your luck and you take your chances.

On the other hand I find it invaluable to know which are the most dangerous players on the enemy team. That way I can pick my fights more carefully.

Yeah, Google translate did well. His grammar was off at times and he made some typos but that's not surprising in chat. He also complained about BBs hitting at 18 km which he claims the Germans couldn't do and that they can shoot behind mountains or something.

That's typical that you as a fellow German feel you have to make excuses. As a neighbour (Dutch) I feel I have to convey to you, that many Dutch love working with Germans, going on holidays in Germany and enjoy the company of German friends. Trust me when I say: there are people out there who can think beyond the sterotypes. And well, whiners are among even the bst of people and there's really no excuse for that, other than a lack of self reflection or character. They seem to be an extended family that cross many borders and aren't specifically German. A heartfelt cheers from the Netherlands. Glück auf!

@@Pincer88 Poms invented whining, made more noise than a 747.

​@@kennkoala The Aussies then perfected it.

is he a german? might be Austrian, Swiss or even a seriously handicapped bot trolling the game pretending to be german, it really doesn't matter there are idiots in every country and it will be so as long as they aren´t taxed ;))))

And after that it was indeed not Google translate failing but the guy's grammar. I actually don't get what he's trying to say in half his messages.

I'm gonna be that Hans. *lose

With this amount of misspellings, it must be a fourth grader who just missed his online class.

sorry for this example of an bad player - your translation is good - and the IQ of this player must be under zero but not all of german players are like this one - thank god

Just Jingles said: Let's loose ourselves... what the player wrote was: Let's loose this game... but thats the only correction that came to my mind :D

IIRC flamu has several thousand points of positive karma on his eu account. So, I'd say that you can easily farm karma, if you are good enough, EVEN if you are a toxic potato.

Jesus Christ, he's just too fucking toxic

@@tumppu1975 or look at this way, guy who doesn’t have 100,000 subscribers gets a good proportion of karma points compared to one who does 😜

@@tumppu1975 Guy is fed his karma by his viewers, don't get my wrong I enjoy Flolo and personally think he's the best WoWs streamer to watch if you want to get better. Just yeah, padded karma isn't likely what Moosealoob has.

@@tumppu1975 i played basicly only vermont since cpt rework til 2 weeks ago, and i lost +80 karma, if you hit 60k ish salvos you get report by the target, if it is a close game the team reports you because you cant teleport from A to C, i literally lost almost 100 points this year by having great games and being top of scoreboard most of the time, even on my 330k dmg record with kraken i had reports haha, wows karma just mirrors how many idiots or good people you met online, dont give this silly counter any value, cheers.

Fucking beautiful!

You forgot "fucking" before "animal research" XD

@@TheGrandexeno I was trying to keep it SFW :)

@@theAessaya it's already not sfw, too much Stat shaming in the video ;(

im curious where it originally came from, is there any clips of it around?

@@Halo1111Halo it's from an ooold stream iirc. Prolly worth asking in Flamu's disc channel

remove a W key option? :D

Cloaking device for the first 10 minutes? Sounds only fair.

@@kaltaron1284 Any damage to a CV within the first 19:58 is reflected 10-fold to the lightest remaining enemy ship

@@not2tired That leaves a 2 seconds window of opportunity. Sounds quite generous.

ooooof

Well given how influential CVs are, having your team's CV suicide at the very start of the battle is going to cause your team to lose most of the time.

@@RedXlV Yes, but there are 11 players left. And I am not sure how influential a cv really is. It's more annoying and destroying other people's games. Those 11 lose some spotting and some damage

@@guidobolke5618 Depends on the team. CV can be nothing or a game-breaker. CV is OP because if you had a skill difference between the two players then it's painfully apparent. If there is a skill difference between two other ships, the overall effect on the game is not so influential.

That would be true if he played with the same other players every game of those 40 games, but he didn't, so he didn't. He did definitely bring a whole lot of players WR down in 76% of the games he played in MVR, but it would be fractions of % points for each of them given how many overall games we are talking :). Having said that, I don't want him on my team :P

same.

Here his videos come up in the afternoon

Yeah I work overnights on the east coast.. so these are a welcom addition to my last break.

same

Also whoever already disliked this video, yall about to catch these hands

The rewards just for winning is a bit too high me thinks. But sometimes if you soak up damage early on that actually gives your team an advantage, and the time used to kill the exp pinjata was definitely time the team could use to get into position and start doing damage to real players.

More XP than the FDR which nearly won it...

IMO winning should have a huge boost to what you already make. IE if you do enough to earn a hundred, winning makes 200. But if you earn 0, you still get zero.

The xp and credit reward for winning and losing should be separate from the performance. Winners get 500xp/50000creds or whatever and losers 250/25000 (adjusted for tier). Then how you do would give a separate reward based solely on your performance and there you SHOULD be rewarded equally for damage, spotting, tanking, capping, defence etc. Nowadays the rewards seem entirely out of whack and the xp reward that cv received is a good indicator of it.

@@tumppu1975 The problem is that you either end up in a situation where you get "too much" reward just for winning even if you are bad, _or_ the game becomes a hunt for experience regardless if you win or lose. It is impossible to have both. Honestly, I think the games (tanks and warships) are pretty decently balanced given that a good performance in a wininng team gets a bigger reward than a mediocre perfomance on the winning team. A bad performance will never get a decen reward in either game.

I've been in a few matches like that.... ;)

Which is why I didn't use XVM after WoT, as it brings out the worst in players. Best way to win is to coordinate together.

I had a match like that the other day. I don't run XVM, but it was clear that we were outgunned. The remaining three of us managed to get on the cap and win, with shells flying all around us from the other team's 8 surviving members.

@@plektosgaming The problem with people relying on stats is that people don't understand how stats actually work. The old, introductory level example with a coin flip demonstrates this: a fair coin will, over a large enough number of flips, average heads 50% of the time. That doesn't mean that if you get tails on your first flip, you must get heads on the next, or even if you've flipped tails 99 times in a row that the 100th has to be heads. People not understanding this is how casinos make money. Stats like those produced by XVM are predictive over a number of games. If you have a 40% win rate, if you play 10 games you'd expect to win, say, 3 to 5 of them. Those stats don't necessarily tell you anything about a _single_ game. As noted, everyone has seen games where everything works just right, and a team that normally would be expected to have lost utterly curb-stomps the opposition. I don't get to play WoT or WoW very often so I'm a pretty mediocre player, but back in March I was playing a game with my Hellcat. Pretty blah, one kill, some other damage, but then there was just me and the arty against 6, three of them with multiple kills, so not complete potatos. I pulled back into cover overlooking the cap, he was jammed in the corner as far back as he could get. Unlike some arties that would scream at me to go spot, he was the one saying to wait. If they'd rushed us at once, we were screwed. If _two_ had rushed at once, we were screwed. Instead, they came one at a time, so if I needed multiple shots to take out one tank, even if it spotted me there was no one to take advantage. In two and half minutes I killed five of them, for the best result I'd ever had in a game. I should have killed the last one, but I had to come out and to fight him since he knew where I had to be and I fluffed what likely was the kill shot, he killed me, but then the arty nailed him from behind at close range for the win. My arty had only fired two shots in that entire end sequence: the final one, and one earlier when I'd tracked a KV-2 with a fair bit of health and we had to take it out before the next tank showed up. He wasn't interested in farming damage or claiming kills, so he deliberately held fire, even when he had the shot, when it looked like I was handling the tank I was engaging. Even for the last tank, when I had it clearly spotted and it was in one place playing peek-a-boo with me, he held fire and instead moved into position so he had a clear, close range shot into the enemy's ass about two seconds after I bit it. In probably 99 games out of a 100, we'd have lost. Both the arty and I were average players, we were outnumbered and outgunned. But because of the map we were on, the side of the map our cap was on, the way they spaced out their attacks instead of waiting and moving at once, the damage they'd already taken, the fact I'd pumped up the view range on the Hellcat so could see them first, that their artillery didn't try blind-firing the usual spots where we'd likely be (and were) and instead rushed forward for a share in the glory and, probably most importantly, the fact the arty player wanted to win more than he wanted to improve his personal score, we won.

@@keith6706 Had A few games where team m8s say loose 29% chance and we have won 15-0. Been TK because of my stats a few times. dont get the logic of killing a team m8 and think your win chance will go up. even a ffk player can contribute

All hail the mighty Google lol

Correct. They call it Vampire II because there’s an older HMAS Vampire in the game at tier 3.

As long as you give it your best that's all one can do. That's why I stopped using xvm, started having better games once I stopped caring about stats. Especially since recent statistics can very wildly from what's shown. For example my friend's overall stats are like 50% wnr but in the past 1k battles he averages like almost 60%. So you never really know

I don’t think all the communication in the world would get a full team of 20% players to win anything.

@@ShawFujikawa I was in that team, I was in an at2 and the only player not utterly red on xvm

@@ShawFujikawa 20% is not 0. its 1 in 5

​@@Frost_Saber That's not how that works. 20% would be their chance to win in Random Battles, with random teammates with random winrates and skill levels. The premise of stacking 15 such players on one team meanwhile is definitely not random.

Wonder if being on YT while in class has something to do with it?

@@Hassy171717 It was a recorded video lesson but thanks for rubbing it in mate lmao

mamy IRL pilots can't do a immelman well. why should the AI pilots do better? If Captain incompitent wants his planes to do Immelmans he should be playing WarThunder or Flight sim.

And how would this avail him in any way?

Yeh what the fuck is that. WHO PLAYS LIKE THIS. God damn that was annoying

@@humphrey10-88 me : *profusely sweating*

It's called situational awareness... He was inside smoke screen, capping. There might be enemy torps heading his direction

@@Arisudev you dont need to zoom in and out every two and a half seconds to have situation awareness.

@@humphrey10-88 considering inside smoke screen most torps will be spotted late, I can say his actions are understandable

What? A ship that actually existed. I thought that wasn't allowed.

Hands to viewing stations, hands to viewing stations!

I just don’t get that kind of person

@@tyvernoverlord5363 Funny thing if he's actually German, his forefathers tried to eliminate such retardation with rather extreme prejudice 'bout 80 years ago

@@axilleastsoulas1036 indeed

That has been my usual answer to the XVM whiners as well.

I should reinstall, create a new account and do exactly that. Regardless of the ship type I play. Even in WoT... But I assume I am not a good enough player that someone really cares. :(

I suspect WG will ban you for that, no matter how hard they have to stretch the TOS to do it.

@@pinguinposted990 some might, for then you stop being a vessel the enemy team has to worry about.

"lose" = the opposite of winning "loose" = the opposite of tight

@@tobiasreinhold7642 uff me, thx

Mind, it is interesting that you see quite a number of these matches where there seems to be some major stacking of the odds somehow against one team. Be it all the radar-ships being only on one team or all the players with under 50% win-rates being on one team and all the players on the other averaging over 50% WR, the MM for these MMOs are clearly capable of grossly uneven matching. Really makes one wonder what really is going on behind those closed doors of companies like Wargaming and Gaijin.

You can see it in the end, it does both- avg in playing ships AND avg. per account(s) in general in next collumn

What about above 60%?

@@ShawFujikawa its the last point as i said 60 above

Who doesn't know that Switzerland is heavily german? I would be amazed to meet someone with half a brain that didn't know that. Also, what is ratpromanisch

No no! Switzerland doesn't speak German, they speak switzish, a language based on the famous cheese full of holes! :D Oh and secret bank accounts too!

@@CMDRSweeper and strict neutrality in the face of nazism

so true , also he talk shit about CV its a biggest sin u can do in WG eyes

Uh oh.

I live in mortal fear of it, tbh.

I live for the day Jingles calls me a potato on RU-vid.

You noticed it too? It carried his hatred for that player imho.