World of Warships- Top 5 Annoying Ships To Fight Against 

Agree, subs are the most annoying things in the game. I've seen the homing torpedoes make some physics denying turns to hit my ship. I'm pretty sure if you get hit by even one ping they can see you smoke. A lot of times even if I'm in a destroyer, if a sub starts hunting me, I just run away.

Imagine a DD with godlike concelament, immunity against hydro unless he's lieterally up your ass, plus homing Torps and the cherry on top: A free escape button (dive). Thats subs. Nice...

You hit the key point for me when dealing with subs, you have to drop everything else and focus only on the sub. Your guns move to face the sub as you are looking at, which of course 9 times out of 10 is the opposite direction of the ship you have been fighting. Unlike air defense which is a quick look one direction or the other and activate it, the sub defense you have to locate, focus in, and then send your planes, all the time trying to deal with surface ships.

I think the biggest current issue with subs is the speed that they can maintain submerged with no battery penalty. This, coupled with the fact that they can shoot homing torpedoes on the run, makes them incredibly frustrating in the hands of a good player.

I was that Montana in that thunder game. I was running a full reload Montana build my reload was 19 sec while fighting that super Yamato

Great video Sea Lord! I can feel the pain going through this list. But I am missing one special ship (and it's clone): the KLEBER (and Marceau) These things are annoying as hell. They sit at 14km and spam HE at you while throttle juking so even in a ship with laser shells like Zao you have pretty much no chance of hitting them because by the time your shells are on point, they went from full ahead to full reverse... Not to mention you actually have to zoom OUT while aiming because you need SO MUCH lead....

For me it's Småland (as a DD player) followed by Nevsky. This thing has more base range than Zao and it's a light cruiser. That's the reason why I unlocked Soviet magic yesterday and loving it so far.

As a BB main, I would swap subs and CV's....also Kleber/Marceau/Zorkiy can be annoying as hell. I fear them more than the Harugumo. I also find 20km Nevsky/Hindy fire spammers pretty annoying.

My biggest issue with WOWS is that nowadays, there're more torps than there's water.

I am glad that I am a co-op main, as the common thread of the most annoying ships to face is that they are also the most fun ships to play. My favorite Thunderer anecdote: I fired a speculative salvo at a cruiser that was about disappear behind an island. I scored five hits and, as I was firing HE, three fires, while my target's DC was on cooldown. I am so glad that I was playing co-op. The Smolensk does have AP and the Russian 130 mm guns have good AP for their size. I finished a match in the Smolensk after switching to AP, so I started the next match firing AP. After 60k of damage done, I finally figured out why I had started no fires. I happened upon a Harbin presenting broadside to my Smolensk, I double tapped the '2' key and, when the guns reloaded, the Harbin caught ten citadel hits and exploded! As with the Smolensk, though not to the same extent, the IJN gunboat DDs do have AP and can reward the player that remembers this at the appropriate time. I cannot play CVs and few things are less fun to play in co-op than subs. Even grinding the Monarch was more fun than playing subs.

It is so weird to me after watching your videos Wargaming is so insistent on ships being locked into their historical speeds but then I watch you playing a sub going 4 times their actual submerged speed and like twice their surfaced speed.

You're my number one favorite WOWS channel hands down!

Ahhh, the Harugumo. To this day, my all-time favorite match was when I got my Sherman shortly after she debuted. It was two Harugumo’s and myself (none of us in a division) in a Random match. We made that team *soooo* mad.

LOl CVS as a whole haha. Fax though

Are we referring to sub #1, 2, and 3, along with CVs #1 and #2, Mountbatten? 😂 Some other notes here.... Large caliber HE will also citadel most light cruisers such as Smolensk. Also, when did Khab and Harugumo's incoming BB damage change? I thought they still ate 100% of BB AP damage?

Good to know that fast-firing ships with radar are no longer annoying. I'll go back to sailing my German subs then.

Your pick of top 5 is my pick too. (reminds me scene from prison cell in Tango & Cash movie) So those 5 ships/objects (sorry for submarines) have in common stealthiness. Probably most balanced ship is Thunderer, I believe it is. I never played it that much, but I have to accept it was pretty nooby easy to hit and burn stuff at max range even I was not great player. Maybe I would add superships to this mix. "I played yesterday random battles and in one match we were happy to sail with 4 superships on our side, sure they were Dual Annapolis, Conde as a must, some Satsuma in enemy team and as cherry bonus red FDR CV. I had Duncan new brit T9 BC, somehow I survived whole match at little cost of my div mate JB, who hit accidentally too early his turbo boost. Thanks so many superships, there was alot if meat to chew, anyway all 4 of them occupied 4out of 5 top pos in scoreboard, with my pleasure to fit in their middle w T9. Its probably only positive effect that you get extra reward from them, if you manage to deal with them."

Asian cruisers. These things sit in smoke, spam he, and then kill your bb with the 40 (yes 40) torps they can quickly throw down range.

I agree completely! Just want to point out the the first 3 ships on this list have one thing in common, NOTORIOUS HE SPAMER! (yes the Thunder has good AP shells too but come on, its BRITISH and it has HE.....what are you gonna fire out of your 18inch guns?) Still WG changes how AA works, carriers will always be annoying. Till then "just dodge", no seriously just dodge if you can. Subs are always going to be annoying, you will have no idea they are even their till they start pinging or firing torps at you, so they will always have the initiative in any engagement. But if the sub is ping happy you can easily locate them and bomb them to death.

I agree with the first three ships. And I don't personally mind about cv, for people that hates cv so much have you tried invest commander skill on AA, I haven't tried them but I guess if you fully specify for AA, it should be fine. And for subs, I don't mind them at all, you gotta know how to use them before dealing with them, they are so fragile

MAINZ. If you are in kite n flight Mode,throttle juking and maneuvering her permanently arround some Islands.. oh boy. This thing is a hell of a firestarter with Lutjens on it!(reaload boost, Starts at least one or two fires in a few secconds) Had Matches where i Literally burnerd down BBs . Plus: descent amount of German"self defense torps", if built AA mode,most CVs wont Touch you either,it can fight Subs somtimes and is a terriefieng DD killer!👍 If you angle her right its super frustrating even for Double Up Tier BBs to Connect. Downside: one descent salvo/broadside... pffffft...gone 😁

The most satisfying thing in the game is playing a DD and deliberately hunting an enemy sub until you call roll off all your depth charges on them. Of course even when you sink them it's usually not a large amount of damage. I recently successfully hunted an I-69 in my Tier VI UK DD Gallant.

I expected all of them and you included all of them. Most obnoxious HE spammers of BBs, CLs and DDs. Plus, CVs and subs in general.

Great video, love the content

I completely agree with this this list but ill probably add satsuna or any supership in general they are op specially satsuna, conde and Annapolis

Great Video, you forgot to mention that Harugumo has 30mm pen, what makes it even stronger. ;-)

For me 1 and 2 are the only ones that are truly annoying to play against. There are effective counter play options against the rest of them.

F. Sherman can be pretty annoying too. I build mine with range mod and you can just sit in your smoke and farm everything that gets within like 15-17km (depending on your build) and with the (for DDs) good shell ballistics you can actually hit something. And if there’s an enemy DD sitting in smoke you just rush him down with your hydro (unless German or a Black). And let’s not even start talking about SAP…

Low damage on large calibre overpens should not be a thing. You can't tell me that when your small destroyer or light cruiser is getting swiss cheesed by 8-12 16in+ shells that you're just fine.

imho, homing torps should only target your depth, not follow you like a missile

I love playing my Thunderer but I possibly play at my best in a light cruiser, the radar Mino.

ahem *superships*

Instead of needing to do all this stuck in attack runs, id rather let surface ships slowly repair their AA guns over the course of a match, its more realistic plus it makes the CV just regening planes a bit more fair

Top 5 hated ships. Every Russian CV and every Submarine. Oh wait, that's a lot more than 5.

Agree with you on all of them. All except you should have made it top 6 so you can add in the sherman. I hate fighting that thing.

The Smolensk is 1 ship that I really want badly. It's the 1ship that got away just before I started playing. Here's hoping Santa gives it to me!

Whenever I face the Thunderer I swear her captain has smeared anti-shell grease all over the ship. Add on the distraction forcefield and it means shells either bounce off, over pen or just straddle the ship. The damn thing's slippier than a bucket of eels.

I think that Kamikaze deserves to be in this list.

First. CVs need to lose the ability to spot for surface ships. It is murder on cruisers that have to move up to be able to support DDs and shoot at other ships. Yesterday I was nuked by BBs because the CV was able to perma-spot me and the BBs guns had significant more range than my bottom tier cruiser. Second, the proposed change where attacking squadron COULD take AA damage on an attack run needs to be changed to WILL take AA damage. Seems silly an attacked ship would focus fire on a loitering airplane and not the one making an attack run it. For subs, the homing torpedo needs to be the tier 10 trick, and everyone else gets straight running torps. Also DDs need a way to hunt subs. Subs without Hydro should be given a special consumable like hydro that just locates subs. And special skills for captain that indicate general locations, like RDF for surface ships.

Totally agree with Subs. Complete nightmare or the easiest kill ever.

Love mining salt with my Smolensk

Literally have had subs pop up 3km away from me in a DD and shot gun me… fun and engaging and just dodge right.

I totally agree with the list especially if the carriers are Russian whose flights take out a BB from full health to 0 in two flights. I really did not see what all the fuss on subs was until I was focused by two subs at the same time, that was not enjoyable, especially when they are faster underwater than you are above the water.

I'd say that CVs are worse then subs, sens CV can go anywhere on the map and spot no matter were they park the ship. Subs are close second but atleast they need to leave spawn to do dmg to people CVs just need to sitt at a safespot and dump on people

Pre-watch predictions: 5 Des Moines - HE spammer that's a nightmare for any kind of DD as well 4 Conqueror/Thunderer - because what's more fun than getting HE spammed to death? Getting HE spammed to death and eating 10k chunk damage with each salvo. 3 Super ships generally, but Condé in particular. 2 Subs 1CVs - at least when they're detected you can delete a sub pretty quickly. CVs tank an inordinate amount of damage that they really shouldn't because of armored flight decks.

I'd genuinely consider paying extra for a version of WoWs without Subs and Carriers

Jinan (their entire line) are a pain in the backside for BB to play against, they are almost like dd in their concealment and their torpedoes do incredible damage with very low detectability so the high number of torps are excessive. Giving this ship a smoke screen is excessive (or nerf the torp detectability), I am used to these players doing smoke for other ships and getting HE farmed down if the torps somehow miss. Believe this belongs at number 5 instead of thunderer... frankly the thunderer isn't as strong as it used to be.

Personally I would swap place 1 and 2. On top of the damage the current CV-system devalues destroyers and cruisers. A CV is a better spotter than a DD, because the planes are fast, can go anywhere without delay and can be sacrificed. (no real risk) Pushing cruisers keep getting spotted by the CV and blasted into pieces by the BBs. AA-cruisers aren´t a problem for the CV what so ever. An AA-build cruiser with sector priority and AA defense fire should either delete the incoming squadron or atleast stop them from delivering their payload accuratly. Also real time spotting for planes need to go. (maybe delayed spotting or only map spotting) In regard to subs I feel that destroyers and cruisers (atleast some) should be somewhat buffed against them, so they are more of a risk for subs and a useful escort/screen for CAs and BBs.

Here is my top 5 1. CV of any kind 2.Friendly CV who doesn't do their job 3. Enemy CV for even existing 4. Submarine that perma spot your a** 5. Submarine that pop up out of no where, point blank torp run your a**

My top 6: Smolensk (fire spam) Sherman (HE/SAP spam) Hindenburg (fire spam) Friesland/Gron (fire spam) Shimi (waves of torps) Shiki (overmatch)

Remember the commander rework with that sniper ability and all Thun captains had it…

question, Gold rank this season? its less stars, but if you loose do the whole team loose star. Even top xp earner? or is it superships that loses too. Been top xp earner in every loss in a supership and lost star.

I last longer if I aim and fire my torps manually like a DD without using any Ping. To prevent getting sunk.

IMO the conqueror still pisses on the Thunderer. The heal alone makes it a far more annoying ship to deal with and that's not counting the obvious increased fire chance, the ap that slaps the shit out of anything (even if it doesn't pen anywhere near Thunderer) due to its short fuse, it's better range to name a few.

Hey SeaLord. Interesting enough my highest dmg was in the thunderer with 407k before the nerf. Decided to upload it to wows and it got featured several times by various channels, the thing is all the comments on it was plain toxic. How else are you supposed to play the ship other than effectively using its guns and minimizing the receiving dmg. I would love for you to take a look at it since it’s quite the polemical view on the actual player base itself. Questions like is it all about winning or have all tried at least once letting that one bb regain its health just to farm him again to break your personal record. I think we all been there, yet I got blasted for it

I was able to grab the Thunderer before it was removed. The 68% fire chance is not even close to reality. In randoms I prefer conqueror it’s fun and has better survivability. I use Thunderer in ranked.

Subs are "rage-quit" material, pure and simple. Even bots on co-op are a pain and if there's two of them.....:(

Love the pronunciation on "water", where are you from?

I prefer fighting the Thunderer to the Conqueror purely for the reason that I don't need to kill the damn thing 3-4 times to actually sink it. That super heal can be very annoying.

My prediction before watching is Thunderer and four CV chosen at random

My top 6 1. Eagle 2. United States 3. Hirkiyu 4. Nakhimov 5. Malta 6. FDR

I Smack Smolensk's with BB HE they go up like DD's esp. heavy HE detonated 1 yesterday with my Preussen he was maybe a few hundred HP below full health.

The most annoying ships in the game are driven by players that take this narrative to serious. They whine and give up and fail to be helpful teammates, or they offer no challenge as they mess around behind everything doing only enough to avoid a penalty. Or best of all just YOLO so they die and go play another ship and leave their team short handed. Yeahhhh

Yeah, subs are broken right now with how Wargaming implemented them. They are too fast, too maneuverable, torpedoes reload way too quickly...just a combination of issues. There's no viable anti-submarine boat right now, since a sub can spot a DD for their entire team, no way a DD can attack the sub unless the sub player is a moron and operating away from friendly guns. Even then, only a handful of DD's have hydro and subs can basically outrun or keep pace with most of them anyway. Historically, most submarines were fairly slow. U-2501 historically had a speed of about 17 knots both surfaced and submerged when using electric engines. This is about the standard surface speed for U-Boats in WW2. However, for whatever reason, wargaming decided to double this for most subs, along with substantially faster speeds when submerged (the Type VIIC, one of the most common U-boats, managed just under 8 knots when submerged). Similarly, homing torpedoes existed in WW2, but not in the way that Wargaming's idiotic implementation works. They locked onto the acoustics generated by ship propulsion and generally had a fairly short range (the German G7es ranged about 5km). They also would lock onto the closest propulsion...friend or foe. There is one recorded instance where a homing torpedo turned back at the sub that fired it and forced the U-Boat to crash dive. There is an unconfirmed instance where a U-Boat was allegedly sunk by its own homing torpedo. This would have been great for balancing submarines. Make them slower and less maneuverable to make it harder for them to evade/escape once detected. Make homing torpedoes short-range (as opposed to out-ranging air planes) and make them lock onto the nearest ship signature after they arm. This makes them a high risk/high-reward option when compared to normal torpedoes. If the sub turns out after launching and he is the closest, the homing torpedoes come back at him (this is believed to have been why the torps would come back at the U-Boat and U-Boat commanders were told to dive to 40-60m and go silent when they fired).

Superships is number one. Not even close. I will not play higher than tier 8 because of them

Hindenburg, Smolensk, CVs, Subs and Superships

SUBS in general, no counter play at all

I love everyone who complains about CV'S yes they are broken for what they do. Yes it's anoying when u can't seem to do much. But the fact of the matter is they were DESIGNED to do exactly what they do irl. It only makes sense that they are just as effective in game.

i have to disagree with Smolensk's armor. I use this ship a lot, it's my biggest credit earner. but as soon as someone gets my broadside, it's a free devastating strike. It blows easily

Harugumo , Smolensk , more like any mad machine gun DD / CL , it can be the IJN gunboat, or it can be the Forrest Sherman , or Friesland , or quite a number of others - but on the other hand , being a DD / C:L main I had to ask what else can we who pilot a DD / CL do , the game made torpedo so inconsistent and ineffective that no one can rely on them doing the job , AP is pretty much useless at range we had today , and IFHE simply do not work ... guess what ... HE spamming is not something people like but its the only that's left that actually , kind of , work CV and Subs , its not the ships , its the basically non working and non effective AA , hey do not say the surface ships can down planes , if AA down plane but will not stop the incoming waves of attack then the AA is not doing AA at all , and well we do not need to extrapolate upon the said mechanism subs and CV operate , how its so one sided and ..

Subs are a pain in the Butt & why I don't play WoW that much anymore.

I'm a good sub player but it's knowing where to be and what to do and when , it's actually hard work and situational much like DD play also like.dd play if a bunch want to get you they will and it cost nothing to send a airstrike on me ,

People are usually pretty sad when they see me in my belfast lol

It's just subs and CVs because WG have intentionally made both to have minimal to no counter play (Except "Just Dodge"TM) while giving the two classes as many crutches as they can. I'm a DD and CA/CL player and I'm starting to wonder why I bother playing either any more, especially as EU seems to be endless CV+ 1/2 Subs in every game. Plenty of surface ships are annoying, but one or two really annoying surface ships vs two entire classes means any you name are just small fry compared.

Thx amigo.......

Always been really miffed they took the 457's off the Conqueror i preferred running and basically told me either buy the Thunderer or get fucked was really annoying :/

SUBS!!!!!! As annoying as Carriers can be, historically Carriers were over powered as were aircraft against surface targets period. Not just limited to ships lets see Bismarck Crippled by a bi-plane's torp, Yamato My FAV Foreign Warship Completely decimated by carrier based air power... Pearl Harbor and the day after that Prince Of Whales & Repulse were both sunk off of what I wanna say is the coast of Singapore. And then if you want to talk recent history, Shock & Awe/Iraqi Freedom... so Nuff said Great video as always though Sea Lord! I do agree with your list though Thunderer & Smolensk definitely belong on the list and Subs are my most hated in this game, I throw salt at sub players not gonna lie & I relish it when I sink em.

could’ve put superships in this list, but that’s just me

Not sure why super ships was not in that list I can deal with cv's but I hate fighting any French DD's

Cool

I have not seen a thunderer in any of my t10 games for some time now maybe i am dodging them on EU or something

I too will never spend any more money when 2 out of 3 games are just bullshit being cv easy points meal

Sucks getting rammed by a sub when depth charging them lol

I hate hate SUB they come close and pop up and shotgun If you are a DD you may sink immediately but you can not counter play

Get rid of annoying auto follow camera while licked on target. Messes up my aiming!!!

I made it into a Sea Lord video! Finally! Hahaha

As a Bb = Cv , subs and he spammers , also overpens xD

Yeah I'll take CVs over subs any day. It's not that they're stronger, but so much of the time, no counter.

I used to hate being a CV. AA wasn’t fair. Surface ships almost certainly destroy most of my planes. That’s not fair to CV

The people that have a problem with subs are the people that can’t adapt their playing style and tactics. I like playing subs but I love hunting them too.

All subs and aircraft carrier

I hate subs. I also hate playing a tier 2 or 3 with no real AA and going up against a carrier.

AA isn't controlled by bots, it's random atm.

No Ragnar? No Druid? No Sherman?

In the name of phlydaily for war thunder. No amour is best amour.

I am surprised that I am not #1.

I'm a simple man. Whenever I see a Smolensk I start shooting at it

Yamagiri.... f-ng outrageous ..... I hate those things ....

Superships? CVs existed. Subs existed. Superships should exist in their own game. Big miss SLM.

the people that cry about submarines are the same ones that cried about cvs, and the same ones that cried about dds, they won't change, and they want everything to play like a battleship, if it has torps, they will sob over it.