Worst MMO Ever? - Karos 

TBH I'm in a state that I don't care what content you upload, I just listen to you talking and that is more than enough.

I just arrived at santos Dummont airport, rio de Janeiro. Thanks for keeping our aviation logistics working

At this point I'm convinced I will never be tired of Josh saying "behold: combat"

Imagine not having a cool enough call so you have to be dubbed by another bird.

Honestly, "I have no idea why the goblins are attacking us. Go fetch me 20 of their eyes to help me find out." would be a great gag quest. Or heck, even a serious quest about how humans see themselves as superior to goblins and how that feeling of superiority can leave one to perceive horrirfic violence done to the other as natural way of things.

They're 100% just opening file -> reading file in -> finding tooltip data based on id/item name -> rendering the data every. frame.

Hey I work in localization and if I would have to guess as to why names, dialogues and quest journal entries don't correlate, is that it's due to trying to save money by using machine translation. I don't think a human actually went through all the different texts to make it consistent and instead dropped everything into a machine translation engine (or two or three) and then simply fed it back into game files without actually reading through them - or only parts of it, but with non-native english speaker eyes. As synonyms are a thing and machine translation engines use different data sets, it could be that the machine translation engine used for quests opted for "furious" when it had a bigger sample size of text to work with , while a different engine (or because it had less context) translating direct names would have opted for "rage". Normally you have a translator go through the end result and fine tune it in a process called post-editing, but companies do like to skip this if they just want a passable, cheaper result. This would be several times cheaper than hiring a few linguists to make it work. Though this is a theory as I don't speak Russian. Anyone fluent in Russian could probably take 2 minutes to look at the source text and compare it to the translation and be able to quickly tell if I'm right.

Loved that "3/10" with the "4/10" voiceover at the end.

At first I was thinking "Wait, he actually gave a number for his review score?" And then I realized, oh, no, nevermind. That actually checks out.

You'll never walk away from a Josh Strife Hayes video, without learning, SOMETHING. Today I learned why I never saw a single eagle, after hearing "eagle noises" in the middle of the Arizona scrub lands. Childhood mystery solved.

"You've got more blood on your hands than Lady Macbeth skinning a deer in a blender" might be one of your best lines yet, absolutely beautiful

mounts tied to shoulderpads is such a uniquely clever little detail. i love this series for how you're able to find tiny things to appreciate even in the most vapid shovelware

"Thanks for the goblin eyes adventurer. Now, there is this plant called the purple iblix which is mysteriously going extinct. Can you please collect 20 purple iblix petals so I can study them and figure out why its going extinct."

As an american that has actually lived near bald eagles: Bald eagles are just overgrown seagulls with good PR. I don't hate them, but they are so over hyped. Frankly, Benjamin Franklin had the right idea suggesting a turkey as the national bird. Though personally I'd pick the american crow. Sound like pack a day smokers, but clever, cooperative and cute. Remarkably easy to befriend, too, just put out some raw walnuts and don't pester them.

"Behold: combat." Ah...home.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1219">20:19</a> "tech support is horrible, when changing the number link, it's easier to restore the phone number and restore the account on your own than to go through support"

cremation sounds like a good idea, until you consider that in this sort of game, they'd just spawn a horde of undead dust elementals. Do you want to fight a horde of undead dust(*) elementals? (*)They drop piles of ash, of course, and the quest NPC calls them Smoke Monster.

Man, I missed this. The eagles not being protected by their own bones' status as luck bringers is peak logic and I laughed so hard my head hurt

The "alphabetical" sorting goes A, B G, D most likely because that is how the Cyrillic Alphabet, which Russian uses, goes Аa (A), Бб (Be), Вв (Ve), Гг (Ge), Дд (De).

The stuttering-on-tooltip, seems to be because the tooltips are not cached but generated again and again at least once per frame. The orb has a larger tooltip and therefore more to render. It also has different colors which may indicate that it has to access a lookup table for the color every frame

I feel like we need a collection of body pillows of Josh's various bethesda games characters.

The game was actually developed by Korean Devs, Karos is just the localisation for the west. That also explains the very weird font and UI issues. I remember that happening a lot back in the 2010s with Korean mmorpgs in the west.

The Russian review said that the tech support for the game is horrible

"Invisible walls prevent me from running away screaming" feels like the story of my life

The one time Josh actually grades an MMO with a number out of ten, the graphic is inconsistent with the audio. Which is just as consistent as the entirety of the game. Bravo. XD

"Lady Macbeth Skinning a Deer in a blender" made me laugh in an out loud way.

I don’t even like MMORPGs, never have and probably never will! But your voice and overall presentation are so smooth I can’t help but listen!

The letters in the character creator are because russian alphabet goes "А Б В Г Д Е ", which is "A B V G D E" (I guess V got skipped) and they translated directly.

I'm vaguely alarmed that the Bowmistress' breastplate wiggles... Wow, that broken dog claw quest is... really something.

What I like about this series is how Josh always brings up the 'what you're actually doing' part. He keeps reminding you that you could have had a life instead of knowing what he's talking about.

You know what would be an interesting sidequest to these videos? A behind the scenes documentary about the people who actually develop these games.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1045">17:25</a> To be fair if changing the resolution made the game crash and it did save the config you may never be able to re-open the game to change it back so I think it's fair that the resolution change is only saved after confirming that the new resolution works.

I just love how you find all the small things in these games for us to see and laugh too. Very entertaining!

My god, Josh playing anything but Human Male Fighter is a 9th hour twist.

Brazil's Embraer has just developed a new aircraft. It wouldn't have been possible without your collaboration. Once again, thank you.

Sexy armored up rotisserie chicken is now the name of my next song. Thanks Josh

My theory on the backwards guard. Some old cities would have you record people 'in and out'. So I'm guessing he's there to get the names of people that are leaving so they can cross-refence with the 'in' records to keep track of population and visit visas. Could also be just some flipped code, who knows!!

From a game-design PoV, the tooltip lag inducing bug makes sense, depending on how it is implemented. A common way to draw a tooltip is to redraw the entire tooltip at every frame, such that the tooltip can follow the mouse. The tooltip did not follow the mouse in this case, but it wouldn't surprise me if they actually implemented it in this way because it is a common practice. This constant destroying of the old tooltip, and redrawing of the next tooltip can take quite a bit of resources.

"Chloe is a mercyless psychopath" ... as are most NPCs when you really think about it :D

I fall asleep to RU-vid and usually fall asleep to a playlist of your videos. Recently I’ve noticed my dreams follow some of your videos.

the eagle knowledge was not expected but highly appreciated

I love how the prairie dogs are just actual dogs in a prairie

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="651">10:51</a> I remember Lost Ark, while having absolutely mindnumbing gameplay, did this right and placed NPCs in logical locations, like a Priest character would be in the church near the altar, the general is in military camp near the biggest tent, the government officials are each in separate luxurious and large cabinets, mayor in the best building in town etc.

Hope you’re doing better. Love these. You’ve got such a calming voice. Thanks for uploading ❤

That coin! All they had to do was mirror the UV mesh on one side. It would have taken 30 seconds to look at this thing and click 2-3 times to fix. That's either the worst crunch ever, intern work or complete negligence.

I won't lie, it's kind of a hilarious plot twist to have your quest giver NPC say "oh yeah, we killed the boss already, while you were collecting bear asses for me". 😂

the intro avatar / graphic at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="34">0:34</a> is adorable!!! It captures the smugness really well :D

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1480">24:40</a> EQ2 actually did this at least in the early days, but in those cases the story was in a book which you were re-assembling the pages of by killing the mobs. Still not great, but then the book would become a house item when completed, which was kind of cool. My in game house had dozens distinct books with brief bits of lore/stories so my library was actually more functional than just cosmetic bookshelves with unreadable books.

We don't have red tailed hawks in my country. Though the ones we do have still make something similar to the eagle sound while shredding prey midair. And yes for the longest time I thought we had a type of eagle, because of that.

To all the people mentioning the edit style, hi, I edited this video! First one so would love any genuine feedback, good or bad! Always wanting to improve because nothing is perfect first time! 😁

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1216">20:16</a> "The technical support is disgusting, when you change the link to the number, it is easier to restore the phone number itself and restore the account yourself than through TP. Donation account 19k up to gold status"

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1430">23:50</a> To be fair about the bears coming from the eggs. You did say earlier that the NPC mentioned things being hatched from eggs wasn't natural. Though... he also said spiders.

Time to do worst MMO Ever? - Archeage. Before it close down in 2 months.

I didn't realize how much I needed a sassy British man playing video games in my life. I've been missing this since TB passed, may he RIP.

Get that dopamine spike every time josh uploads

I love that there can be something cool to find, even in the 'not best' of games. That mount system is really cool. Also, sick SoA reference in the 'desert' place.

I can’t be convinced that the “gauntlet-style” quest arrow isn’t actually a “gauntlet-style” butt plug. 😂

Haha I love the joke about inconsistency at the end by saying Four while giving it a Three :P :P I love your video Josh! Always such a pleasure to watch this serie :P

I don't know if Josh edits himself or not but I liked it more when it was basically just raw footage. Maybe I'm too old. Edit: I ctrl+F'd some more comments and it's good to see you're looking for feedback Josh. I'll add here that I feel like the editing style is made for bombastic narration, rather than your pleasant, tidy narration. It does make for a humorous juxtaposition, but not all the time.

Thanks from Brazilian aviation industry 🇧🇷🇧🇷

That bit at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="360">6:00</a> about derivative media is eerily similar to his I’ve come to think about a lot of art. People start with reality as their input, and produce art from it; but those that follow rely increasingly on the art which came before them instead, and their product itself is itself iterated further in a similar manner, each generation drawing inspiration from the last but capturing mainly the superficial and aesthetic, until eventually all the complexity and character of reality has been replaced with a flat oil-slick of aesthetics. I think that process is inseparable from the development of genres - pioneering works of a genre provide a firm basis for exploration and imitation, and like running water their descendants keep carving out that path of least resistance until the river of genre is formed; as the banks grow higher and higher, creativity and consideration can only rarely escape from the smoothened, eroded, simplified path of the flow.

A new JSH video on my day off?!? What more could I ask for..

I'm sure you have loads of games planned for this series - but i have two childhood gems i think would fit the series PERFECTLY. Knight Online - Still available on steam, i remember it being really fun, albeit i was 9, definitely one of the games, 100%. Ashen Empires - Available through its own launcher, i tried it again like 2 years ago and its still quite the gem, i unironically think you would love this game, its very.... Runescape'y - very unique, very cool. Either way i'd love for you to tear these games apart, or maybe find your new main game, gg wp JSH

In Russian the alphabet does go A B V G ( А Б В Г ), so that's why 😂

I know it'll probably never happen, but I'd really love to see Josh review the original Ragnarok Online someday. So many good memories with that game, and I just found out it's on Steam too.

You keep calling it Eastern European, but it is Korean. Developed by GalaxyGate... from 2009! 😅

This video is indirecrtly responsible for keeping Brazil's files up.

Brilliant work! I’m curious. Does Anyone else listen to these to help fall asleep Or is it just me? 😴

Which lets out that distinctive eagle cry, "I'm an eagle!"

Josh we missed you. I got so bored I watched Espada video like 6 times. Cause your voice helps me fall asleep

Brazil's aviation industry bless these videos

Monocrop farming (the idea of only growing one type of crop in a farm field) is actually a fairly new concept. Many different kinds of crops support and protect each other, so there is actually a very valid argument for planting wheat and pumpin together in the same field.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2055">34:15</a> you missed one, the mob was spelt Gray Hound, but in the quest log it said Grey Hound... so 6 not 5 :V

That goblin quest sounds genuinely hilarious. I want to put that in a dnd game just to see my players' reactions.

I think what's going on with tooltips is when it's created it picks up data from the server for your stuff. But instead of doing it once, they create the tooltip each frame. That explains why fletta equipment lags more - it also takes a second to generate the level appropriate stats, since they change.

This is the only promo I'm not skipping in youtube videos

"Lubricate the wheels of progress with the blood of everything nearby" May i steal this

I hope bad MMOs never run out so you can keep making videos 🎉

"You've got more blood on your hands than lady Macbeth skinning a deer in a blender..." this is the quality commentary I come to this channel for.

This video has the most straight forward intro from Josh I have seen and that scares me

Rendering text is extremely expensive. You have to render an absurd amount of splines, modified on the fly by having to follow hinting rules (deforming symbols slightly so they line up well with the pixel grid), and then filling them taking into account crazy edge-cases. Also, you need to take diacritics into account, and Unicode is HARD. The tooltip of the Fleta armor is long, and has more colors than the others. So it's not just text, it's formatted text. So you have to parse the BBcode/html-like formatting, then render each section of text separately. If they use CSS, it's even worse. And don't forget: you need to wrap the lines. And that's another algorithm that's more complicated than one thinks. Obviously, you don't want to do that every frame. But you can. Optimizing comes next, and that's more developer time. Ideally, you render the tooltip into a texture once, and then just display that texture until it's time to close the tooltip. BUT! If you want the tooltip to follow the mouse, you cannot do that. Indeed, it would destroy the hinting. The text would blur because it isn't perfectly aligned with the pixel grid anymore. At least, unless you convert the floating-point mouse position to an integer. So, brute-force solution to avoid blurry text? Re-render the entire tooltip every frame. And ouch, that's resource-intensive. Of course, here, the tooltip doesn't follow the mouse. But the algorithm probably wasn't optimized for that static case. That's my guess. A first general-purpose renderer that was never optimized to the actual use-case.

"L" is for logbook. ive seen this keybind in other games for the quest menu

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1215">20:15</a> translation: terrible tech support! Account is tied to your phone number. It's easier to change your number and start a new account and progress all the way back than it is to recover an account tied to an old number.

With you being this far down the rabbit hole, I hope at some point you visit the French-bound Wakfu, as it is a whole different breed of MMO, what with the turn-based combat and such. Also, they did make a new introduction recently, making the new player experience even more alien to seasoned players. And it is not popular for reasons, which could make it surely appear in this series.

Aside from the usual laugher your videos provide, I now know what sounds an eagle makes. Thanks!

I suspect it is the transparency of the tooltip background. The Fleta item also has colored text which might have an alpha text effect, making it worse. They are also iterating over the entire list of the inventory each frame rather than getting and storing the information only when items change, or updating them once per second.

Various reasons why the tooltip possibly lags: * Their text-engine renders on the fly every frame, and colored text is more effort since it contains more text blocks. * Tooltip info is reloaded constantly (unlikely, but possible).

Calling them emoticons is why I'm subbed. IPhone took away our culture!!

"My expectations for MMOs like this are the same expectations I have for a one-star takeout at 2am in a student town: I know I'm not going to die, but after the experience I kind of want to." I had to pause and walk away, my jaw hurt from laughing.

"Bigger number better" Thanks Steve.

Lmfaooo that dainty female walking animation is absurdly amazing

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="475">7:55</a> An RGB butler named "Sir Josh's Gamer Assistant" is such a fun idea, I hope to actually see that in a game someday. I'm imagining that you summon them by accident and they say something like: "Your chips and drink, sir- Wait a moment. This isn't Sir Josh's mansion. Who are you?" Then you have a silly tongue-in-cheek quest of teleporting them back home.

“The cannoneer lost on their way to bloodborne contest” as someone who spends time in ffxiv trying to look as close to bloodborne as possible, that class speaks to me

The performance issue seems to be a render issue probably exacerbated by a database access issue. When moving, it's rendering every frame and allocating too much processing power to checking whether or not to show the tooltip and constantly redrawing it rather than being event-based and likely re-grabbing the tooltip data every frame. As to why certain items make it lag harder than others, I hope they're not having items stored in a database such that it needs to iterate through a list to find the desired item every single time.

Try “The 4th coming” A 1999 MMO inspired by Diablo 1 Dont use the steam version, rather pick one of the official servers on the official site of the game If i had the funds to remake an old game with modern means, this would be it. My favourite attribute system of all time. Heck, im even spending time from time to time dabbling into game developping heavily inspired by the attribute system where the power and effect of your skills is altered by it The gothic/grounded artstyle, the rebirth system, the loot system, enemies variety, an openclass game where you start blank and the nature of your character is based on your choices The old/oginal version would fit perfectly the Mobile controls Its a 1998 game so... lots of grinding

I was fully prepared for the final score to be “bear from an egg/10”

I was searching for something to distract me from an anxiety attack. This notification just calmed me down

"Lubricate the wheels of progress with the blood of everything nearby!" I've got to remember that. Now, how can I slip that nugget of wisdom into my everyday conversation...

Glad to see another Worst MMO Ever, I've been itching for a new installment for a while now! Some of best content on RU-vid right here.

Came for the video about Karos. Stayed to learn that the "Eagle's Cry" isn't from an eagle I like how I always learn something new with your videos.