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How about you leave this Vegas/ Stadium shit alone for once and actually talk baseball. Can you actually talk sports and actually give concrete opinion and not spineless politically correct takes?
Hello Brodie, I think they want to construct a casino/hotel on the corner section that you were drawing while the 9-12 acres of the remaining rear area, would be the stadium. But you're right it is quite small for a stadium but not impossible.
BRODIE, Will the A’s Ballpark be an Air-Conditioned Retractable Roof Stadium ? I HOPE SO. The Summers in Las Vegas are just to “HOT”, Even in the Shade during the Day or at Night.
The logistics are horrible! Traffic, parking, more hotels charging for event parking, etc. Its also very close to the airport which will limit their height even if they dig the field underground. I live in LV! The best site would have been the Rio Site overlooking the strip like Allegiant Stadium. The space on Sahara was way to small, and many locals believe the strip should be for resorts- hotel casinos.
Been watching your videos for a couple weeks. Not even an A’s fan (live in MI, Detroit Tiger fan). This whole saga has become really interesting. Keep the videos coming!!
You know what would be cool, and it has been rumored in the past? A Sports-themed resort, and now with the addition of a ball park that would be something very very interesting in Las Vegas. I think we’ve had enough of bland modern hotels, Vegas needs to go back to unique theming, and a sports-themed mega resort would be amazing! Some rooms with terraces overlooking the field would be a great way to watch the game, and a great way to make money for the owners.
A lot more room at the Tropicana site. More room from the initial spot at Tropicana and Dean Martin across from In N out. You don’t know because you are not an architect as you stated. What could be good is also added parking and some Year Pune shopping site and eateries in collaboration with the stadium.
Wrigley field sits on approximately 10 acres.with approximately 41000 seats. Not retractable but the roof doesn't have to retract over the entire field.
Brodie, as always, solid analysis. Couple of thoughts on this site. First, I would be willing to bet that the ballpark will be where the pool area and south tower are currently. You would not be taking down the pedestrian bridges, as that is how most people (including locals) will be getting to the park. On game days for the Knights, many locals park at Mandaly, MGM, and Luxor. MGM runs trams from Mandalay and Luxor up to Excalibur; people can then walk across Trop through NYNY for the Knights; they can just as easily walk across the Strip to the ballpark. Same with MGM Grand.
@@RyanGiroux22 Traffic is what you'd expect for an NHL game. Metro, however does an excellent job of moving people in and out with a minimum of issues. The signals off the Mandalay, NYNY, and MGM garages are worked really well for good traffic flow.
Joe you have a very good point. A lot of the traffic is going to be foot traffic and the auto traffic is already accommodating to this site. I would imagine that this site will also have hotel rooms facing the ball park kind of like sky dome in Toronto or even have a casino built into the stadium to earn their tax credit back. This sit will not just be a baseball stadium it will be a combination of multiple things in one place so it can be used all year round. If this was done on the old wild wild west site this would be harder to come by, there is not a lot of foot traffic in that area. One last thing I would think that they could do something to use the stadium for the New years Eve party's that we have here in town with it, if it looks out on the strip!
@@RyanGiroux22 Traffic for Knights games while busy is pretty good. They have traffic control with the cops that keeps traffic flowing. Coming in is a bit more challenging is your running late but even in first season when I had season tickets. I parked at Aria and never stayed in there more than 15 minutes before I was headed out of the parking structure.
I agree. I don't know why he defaulted to the structure being up against the NW corner of the site. In fact, my guess is that would be the worst place to put it on that piece of land. More to the southeast makes much more sense from an aesthetic point of view as well as access. .
Jamming things in is the Vegas way , I have lived in Vegas for 24 years and been through every resort many many times as a cab driver when I first moved here. For years you could not turn left anywhere out of NYNY resort for example. LOL
I get confused by all these "naming rights" named stadiums. Of course, I refuse to acknowledge the names, name the city. I wasn't aware the Tropicana was going out, but it is old compared to most of the Strip. It's contemporaries are long gone. Is there an explanation of why they only want to buy part of the Trop, why not take the whole 36 acres, make the stadium into another casino so the "property" is making money the other ~8300 hours a year that don't have a game being played. With Las Vegas design they could build a huge casino floor under the infield alone, much less all the angled space under the stands. Going vertical as they do there, home plate could be on the 3rd floor and the luxury boxes on the 10th or 12th with a private elevator to those floors. And across the way at the Wild Wild West, you plotted out the dive Motel, the truck yard, a small Hilton hotel, the golf center and an industrial park I used to work in all in your 49 acres. I'm sure they've got the money but a lot of individuals to buy out, not just one easy swipe on the AMEX Black.
Something similar to Miller Park's design makes sense for the Las Vegas. They are going to want the retractible roof that shades the seats even when open. Plus, I think they leave the outfield nearly completely open without hardly any seats and a lot of glass to maintain the views of the strip.
@@brodiebrazil Funny you should say that, because I *have* been to Miller Park*. Multiple times. The layout is decent, the seating is mostly great, the roof is wonderful though quirky, but unfortunately I couldn't see any other team use this as a template for a new ballpark. The "pivot" that closes the roof is too difficult to recreate. (* - I refuse to call it That Other Name, sorry.)
great video. I'm an A's fan who also loves architecture and design so this is the video that I have been waiting for. Maps, stadiums, streets and angels...great job. If this is the site I would put the stadium at the bottom of the site map across the street from that church so that the strip is behind center field with that corner. Those sitting in the outfield would be facing the airport.
@@brodiebrazil From BleacherReport: Saying Target Field is fit snugly in downtown Minneapolis is an understatement. Target Field is the smallest ballpark in all of Major League Baseball. The footprint is very small; it only covers 8.5 acres of prime real estate. Looks can be deceiving, though. If you look at Target Field from above, it looks like the stadium occupies 10.5 acres because parts of the stadium cover surrounding streets.
Didn't watch video, just wanted to say: 9 acres is way to much for the A's, since they only average like 2k fans a night!!!! Thanks I am here all week.
people said the same thing about them building a football field (ford field) and a baseball stadium (Comerica park) on the same block in Detroit, that there wouldn't be enough room. I do believe that the site the tigers built Comerica on was even smaller than the footprint the A's will have.
I don’t think the stadium needs a retractable roof. It’ll be closed like 95% of the time because Vegas gets like two weeks of decent weather. Save some money and build it with a fixed roof.
That's exactly what I said. In Las Vegas that roof is going to be closed almost all year. Why spend millions making it retractable? We all know John Fisher is a tight ass, you'd think he would want to save that money but that's probably part of what the public money would pay for. Las Vegas A's no thanks.
Have you been to Vegas before? The roof would be able to be opened all of April, a good chunk of May, especially evening games. It would likely be able to be commonly opened for evening games into September plus if necessary basically all of the playoffs.
Easily enough space. I watched Oracle, then Pacific Bell park get built, driving by it every day, thinking, no way a ball park gets built there. But it did.
The Giants have a 66-year lease on the 12.5-acre (51,000 m2) ballpark site, paying $1.2 million in rent annually to the San Francisco Port Commission.[12] The park opened with a seating capacity of 40,800, but this has increased over time as seats have been added.
@@brodiebrazil "Although contemporary major league ballparks typically require a footprint of at least ten acres, the Target Field site is only eight acres."
Because the WWW property is owned by Culinary 's nemesis Sation Casino the As to be in the good graces of the locals and not pass off the Inion they went to Trop site which is ridiculous not enough space for new hotel plus parking, and he wants a hand out too, stay in Oakland
I do not think that nine acres will work. All new ball parks want a business district of shops, eating places and hotels around them. Some things that the ball club can also make money off of. Like the complexes around New Busch Stadium, the complexes the new Rangers ball park, what they have done around Wrigley Field and what the Kansas City Royals are talking about. I would say that you are looking at least 25 to 30 acres.
At the professional level of baseball, in the MLB and minor leagues, basepaths are 90 feet long. In addition, the minimum distance between the home plate and the nearest fence in the center field is 400 feet. The nearest fence in the left and right field is 325 feet from the home plate. These baseball fields are approximately 4.5 acres in size. We are halfway to 9 acres. Now you need to add the rest on 4.5 acres such as: foul ground, dugouts, bullpens, batting cages, bathrooms, locker rooms and showers, training room (emergency medical, physical therapy, rehab, fitness), coaches offices, team meeting space, utility and laundry rooms, bleachers, broadcast booth, technician room, luxury suits, concessions, restaurant with private meeting space, gift shops, business and office space, first aid emergency room, conference rooms, ticket sales, storage facilities, field and stadium maintenance rooms, electrical or power control room, space for trucks to make deliveries to the ballpark, on-site parking...and oh yes, a retractable roof.
Yes, I can see a smart architect placing the retractable roof supports above the large casino adjacent to the stadium and hotel resort... Its appears a 35 thousand seat stadium can be sited on 9 acres, if the retractable roof supports are located above a casino... Parking would be shared with the hotel resort and casino, most likely with fans having to walk through the casino on their way to the baseball stadium or walk a long way around the casino... After all, this is Las Vegas...
Fisher can eat one. Great insights Brodie! But I have some suggestions for the Vegas expansion MLB stadium on the site. Not our A’s. The assumptions are for the park to sit on the corner. But isn’t the Vegas rule to force visitors through the casino? I would put the park on the SE corner of the Tropicana site. The casino (park entrance) on the would be on the (NW) strip corner. The tower should be on the strip and give partial shade to the park. That would give a better view of the strip from the seats as well. But hope none of it should happen bc Vegas and Oakland would get screwed.
I have been to American Family Field when it was Miller Park a few years after it first opened and I liked it. Actually that park mixed with the new Japan ES Con field is what I had in mind for a stadium for Vegas. The way the roof opens up to see more outfield at AFF mixed with the glass back wall at EScon Field is what I pictured. It would allow more view of the strip and if you shape the stadium similar the the field shape like at AFF you can fit it better on that Tropicana site Property. Which would allow the rest of the site more space to build around it such as parking garage and that Hotel Ballys would wanna build to replace the Tropicana. -Side note I personally dont like Dodger stadium looks. Out of all the stadiums I been to its on the very end of the list of parks that I like.
The comparisons and commentary aren't realistic considering that the A's ballpark in Vegas, should it become a reality, will be 30,000 seats, smallest park in MLB, with a partial retractable roof. That information alone suggests that the A's ballpark will be a design that's never been done before. Comparing designs of parks that are, on average, 10,000+ seating capacity (or bigger) isn't going to remotely reveal how a 9-10 acre design will be utilized, especially when comparing a modern park to two ballparks that are over 100 years old and subject to design & engineering limitations (and building materials) of their time. I've no doubt that it can be done within a 9-10 acre framework given the design and engineering advancements and materials that are used today. I don't see Las Vegas embarrassing themselves with a ballpark design that would feel small, cramped or confining given their unique standing as a very popular tourist destination, fan immersion through comfort would be a top priority, one would hope. The very modest size of this ballpark could potentially provide the finest viewing experience in MLB and greatly influence the future plans of Diamondbacks regarding either Chase Field (which is easily 10,000 seats too big) or a new (and much smaller) ballpark altogether.
Several large baseball stadiums in Japan are 9-12 acres. Including the Tokyo dome that holds 50,000 and Meiji Jingu that holds 30K+. Escon in Sapporo, the most MLB style park (just built) sits on 16 acres.
@@cityhawk Actual stadiums don't take up a lot of room. Yankees stadium is a pretty big Stadium and if you look at the buildings footprint it's only 13.19 acres.
Major Sport Stadiums world wide have no parking. This site has mass transit in the form of the Monorail, plus it eventually have less ridership Loop. Certainly for this factor and Brightline just around the corner. It should work, better than other locations, your comparing. Way better.
There had been previous talk about a site west of I-15 on the north side of Tropicana Avenue. I think that would be a better choice than the Tropicana Hotel site. Aside from requiring little to be demolished, it would keep ballpark traffic away from the Strip, which already has enough traffic.
It is very interesting how they might try to squeeze a park into that small of an area. I remember hearing they were also going to try to build a casino on the same plot of land. This would be unpresented since there is no major league team (in any sport) with a casino on the premises.
They should put it on the original location they first was going to.Yes its across the highway but the solution would be then to buld a train station across from it.Undergeound which would give access to both Allegiant Stadium and the new stadium and have a underground tunnel to get to T-Monile Arena and the rest of the strip.Add some stores down there and you solve everything.Have Brightline stop there and then work on a commuter rail for the rest of the Clark County residents.
The Rio site unfortunately involved an upfront purchase of property, the Tropicana site did not come with an upfront purchase, but with a long term lease/rent deal. Economic considerations are better for the A's long term at the Tropicana site... All of the sites that were mentioned with the rumors would have done the trick, providing a great location for a MLB stadium...
What is the size of the tropicana Hotel Square? If you pause at 21:18, the main square of the complex in the centre of screen. The diamond at "11 o'clock" (just right of where it says 'Expedia local expert'), outfield bleechers at "5 o'clock" where the building is at 45 degrees to the rest. What acreage is that area? Could that be the park in the middle surrounded by hotels, casino's and shopping on the full 36 acre site?
This was awesome thank you Brodie. Dude this is so crazy and sad, Fisher so cheap first he ruins it for all of Oakland and East Bay, now ruins it early in Vegas. That site is so small they’re gonna have barely any room for parking, especially after they build the new “Bally’s Tropicana” hotel thingy whatever. Man locals will barely show up. This team is not the Knights. T-Mobile Arena being right at that intersection does not correlate to you Fisher!!! Also that parking that’s at Tropicana now was used and filled for every Knights game. (Normally Tropicana parking is free but they will charge like 5 to 10 bucks on Knights games to make some $$) and so that will be mostly gone so who knows now. This is just an overall L for everybody. Except for maybe Fisher and Tourists. UGH!
I know I keep harping on this, but there are so many aspects to this slapdash proposal that it would be negligent of the Nevada Legislature to provide any kind of funding for this Trop site stadium. And we kinda know the A's can't afford the truck stop now. No EIS. No zoning variance even applied for. (Big damn difference between a casino and a sports venue. I know Clark County is pretty good about shotgunning clearances, but it ain't done yet.) All it takes to kill this project is for someone to call the FAA's Western-Pacific Region Office in El Segundo and tell them that someone is going to put up a 200' foot high dome facility at or less than a 1000 meters from the touchdown zone for Runway 19R at McCarran/Harry Reid/We Have The Signs For Both International Airport. For anyone who thinks the FAA's Obstruction Evaluation Group is fast, keep this in mind. They still haven't released the height restriction for buildings in downtown Denver that were put in place for Stapleton Airport some 60 years ago. And Denver's airport got moved to damn near Kansas City back in the '90s...Whether it's a special tax district or revenue bonds for direct county ownership of the stadium (that would be strange if Bally's still controls the land... 🤔 ...) there is specific legal language required for the due diligence and prospectus documentation to accompany any financial instrument - public or private. That does not exist here!...Second, although the respective flight paths from that runway pair do not cross directly over the stadium, it is quite doubtful that the FAA allows this structure anywhere near Reno Ave. - because it puts a concentrated 30,000 people in danger on an engine out or airframe structure induced aborted takeoff, especially from the 1L & 1R angles. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me that, if they do raze the existing Trop towers to the ground, they may not be able to rebuild them for this same reason. The old ones are grandfathered in, because they were there before McCarran got expanded. You take that structure down, who knows?...And that's my point. NOBODY has thought this thing out - at all. Not the team, Not the casino. Not the government. And for the state and Clark County to throw a half billion dollars onto a half-baked scheme like this, they might as well take it across the street to the MGM and put it all on a hard six at the craps table...Sell the damn team, Fishwrap!!!...
@@ProAthl Well, one could reasonably deduce that the money requested by the A's, as compared to the projected price tag they claim has not included serious excavation costs combined with a retractable roof...It's an educated guess...
@@MrRobrice1 It is a question of proximity. The Luxor, NYNY, and MGM are tall but they are a quarter mile from the runway. This stadium is not. And again, as in the case of the Trop, the MGM and Luxor (1993) predate the runway in question 1L/19R. It was built in 1997 - the same year as New York, New York, which had already received approvals years earlier. The airport was the encroacher. It's a legal precept called "coming to a nuisance". Both McCarran and the FAA had to deal with them as they were already grandfathered in. The same rules do not apply when you build after the fact. There is also the issue of concentration. People are more dispersed in the hotels, and better protected by infrastucture. A ballpark facing the airport with 30k spectators side-by-side is a possible killing field for aircraft debris. Yeah, it's a doomsday scenario, but FAA types tend to think in worst case scenario terms...It may well be a stupid complaint on my part. I may be a complete idiot. Most people here seem to think that I am. So prove me wrong. Write the FAA and find out...
The stadium should be built downtown between Freemont street and the Strat. This would draw from both the strip and downtown tourist hubs and help clean up the area.
Not a chance in hell the ballpark gets build on the corner across from MGM/NYNY. It would have to be further back on the property, forcing guests to walk through the casino and shopping/restaurants before they get to the ballpark.
@ronclark9724 think big picture!!! By 2027 there is a contract to have an underground system, people love to walk instead of driving especially in Vegas, and how cool is it to get a room right next door and walk to see a game without ever going outside!!!
@@chillywilly9585 With all due respect, have you ever been to Vegas? Because this isn't how destinations are built there. See T-mobile arena, the concert arena at MGM grand, etc.
They are building it on the exact spot of the Las Vegas massacre. Home plate and the pitchers mound will literal be in the same spot that all the bodies were
Clark County needs a Streetcar system in Las Vegas Valley at least four lines and extend the monorail to the AIRPORT too. 1st, Westside along RAINBOW from GRAND TENTON to BLUE DIAMOND. 2nd, Eastside more or less along NELIS from NLV VA to NELLIS AFB to HENDERSON to GREEN VALLEY to AIRPORT. 3rd, SOUTH LOOP along TROPICANA to DURANGO to FLAMINGO to PECOS. 4th, NORTH LOOP along CHARLESTON to PAVILLION CENTER to SAHARA to NELLIS BLVD.
@Ron Clark but building it later would cost more. Looking at Metro Los Angeles. Trust now is the time. Interstate 11 from Phoenix to Reno will also help Las Vegas Valley too.
@@robserrano8971 The city could build a tram inside the sidewalks on both sides of Las Vegas Blvd, known as the strip... There is far too much vehicle traffic on the stip to surrender a lane or two for a tram...
North Strip is the best site. A ballpark would improve the area. Petco rejuvinated San Diego's East Village overnight. But that makes sense. If an NBA team also moves there, the Athketics will be a last choice for sports in Las Vegas.
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