Super Earth spawns into the 40k universe. 5 minutes later the Helldivers are an Imperial regiment on par with the Elysian Drop Troopers with double the fanaticism because the God Emperor is the ultimate manager of democracy. That or Super Earth gets a tour of the webway offered by the Drukharii. Whoever notices them first.
Yeah I hate to say it, but Super Earth would get stomped. The Imperium controls the entire civilized galaxy, and they’re just _barely_ holding on by a thread
The Imperium is far too large for it's own good. A smaller Empire like the Tau can survive just fine, because the bulk of the attention is always focused on the Imperium. Super Earth has enough tech and abilities that would permit them to just slip through the cracks. I feel like a big point on their side is also their ability to reverse engineer stuff and if they managed to ally with the Imperium, they could easily survive. Like I said on the video, Super Earth fought a worn on THREE FRONTS and WON. That's really impressive, in my opinion.
Counterpoint: Super Earth fought the entire rest of the galaxy. No, not "most of" No, not "a lot of" No, not "the majority of" The ENTIRE rest of the galaxy. By themselves. The bugs, cyborgs, and illuminates weren't fighting one another, and they owned the ENTIRE rest of the galaxy in the First Galactic War. The Imperium struggles while controlling 60% of the Milky Way. Super Earth bodied its way through the entire Milky Way, conquered and defeated all their foes, then REINTRODUCED THEM so they would have MORE enemies to fight. Super Earth can't even fall to Chaos, due to managed democracy.
@@ZeroNumerous That doesnt mean anything since these two fictional worlds are populated by different kinds of factions and enemies. Just pecause super earth thrived in their version of the milky way doesnt mean they are necessarily well equipped to deal with the shit the 40K milky way is packing
@@RedHierophant23While that’s partially right the Tau are a faction that is only alive due to being neglected by other major factions, they are nearly invisible to chaos and that kept them safe early on, Super Earth citizens would have bright souls and would attract the full wrath of chaos along with whatever enemies are nearby, their biggest assets are their ftl travel and fleets, their ground soldiers stand no chance against anything other than the most basic infantry of each faction, they’d live as long as they went unnoticed but the Helldivers and Super Earth the most hostile obnoxious force in their galaxy so they likely won’t be quite and be put down by nearest 40K faction they find
@@ZeroNumerousManaged Democracy wouldn’t remove human emotions and tactics, plus the forces they dealt with are far weaker compared to 40K forces, if they up their tech they could maybe keep up, but they legitimately have nothing to deal with bullshit like a Bloodthirster
I think the reverse-engineering of the Super Earth is its major advantage. In the Imperium, the use of Xeno technology is considered heresy, but Super Earth has no such problems. Whatever they could find in Aeldar, Necrons or Tau worlds, they would surely use.
This was great and provoked a lot of thought like below. I don't disagree that Super Earth's intelligence and propaganda arms could handle Chaos' corrupting ways, but I guess I'd disagree that the they would not see the warp and chaos as possible resources to exploit. Especially keeping in mind(if I remember correctly) that the Emperor used warp manipulation to make the original Primarchs, the Ministry of Humanity may consider interacting with Tzeench to get psycher soldiers or the Ministry of Science and Truth may consider tapping into Tzeench to see how that God works. Ministry of Humanity and Science may consider studying Nurgle's ability to shrug off illness and damage; Prosperity may be convinced Slaanesh might make the people more content(if Prosperity tilt's its head when it looks at Slaanesh); and Ministry of Defense and Truth might enjoy how much Khorne get's their Helldivers reaved up for the fight. I think you're entirely right about the Mechanicus wanting to take Super Earth's stuff, but I don't know if the Empire at large wouldn't see the Super Earth as just another set of rebellious worlds. Which does beg the question of scale. Helldivers are a galactic sized empire(if I remember correctly), did all of them get transported or just Super Earth itself in this scenario?
In this scenario, I basically transported the most populated systems under Super Earth's control. Trying to harness Chaos is a one way road to corruption though, but it's interesting to consider what would happen exactly.
@@RedHierophant23 I actually think that a single system would work out better for Super Earth. Like Rome, they are obviously capable of expanding to empire status from just one small place(comparatively), and if they started off fighting all over the galaxy at once before knowing what is happening, they may just be strained for resources and spread thin like the Imperium. Even though a Chaos take over of Super Earth would be interesting, I think your concept of a new Chaos god of "Managed Democracy" coming into existence is far more a interesting concept. Part of me wonders if it would eventually take over the AI as that is the core of Managed Democracy in a similar way that the Emperor's throne acts like a beacon that can sometime emanate cryptic messages.
@@cheynewillingham2107 Funny thought, because the believing population vastly outnumber the cynical manipulators who know what's actually going on, said Chaos God would actually reflect the propaganda, rather than the reality. (and thus potentially join Gulliman and the Emperor in the Ultradepression club.)
Helldivers have alot more combined arms advantage for every soldier, they most likely would lose just to the amount of industry and manpower the imperium has however.
About the average guardman. Do not mistake conscripts and normal guards. Some regiments are even pretty much elites in themselves with a long history of veterancy and specialists like: Elysean Troops, Armaggeddon Steel Legion, Catachan jungle fighters,... Medias often show them as pitiable and unskilled to show off how great the Space Marines are. But the Guard hold the line and win where Marines ran away in the deep lore. Some SM chapters are very infamous for refusing to help because they don't want to suffer loss -> Iron Hands. Fun Fact: The lasgun you look down upon can be sacrificed as an improvised grenade to take down a space marine or at least incapacitate him. Thank you for reading my little rant.
Realistically Helldivers and SEAF forces are decently trained, we are getting the gameplay tongue in cheek treatment, but Helldivers and the SEAF forces are not only fighting, but also winning a galactic war, you don't do that unless your troops have a certain level of competence beyond sheer luck. And helldivers canonically have conquered worlds with only 50 divers or so, so they have to be competent and capable. The most likely thing that happens is that Helldivers are uploaded with advanced combat tactics and weapons training during cold sleep and when a Helldiver is sent to replace a casualty, they are uploaded with a short data burst that tells them what is going on in the current operation so that they can immediately replace the Helldiver that they are replacing.
Helldivers are well trained if you even go to the lore of super earth you’ll find that most kids are more trained than a adult that just started the military and if you see the game play of helldivers they can use every single weapon stratagem basically any weapon perfectly and fine because a random dude from the street can’t use sniper rifle in fact reloading is hard unless your trained and we see that helldivers use every weapon perfectly plus to even be a helldiver you need a few years of seaf experience and the tutorial is just the final exam of the helldiver plus aren’t tutorial’s supposed to be short and fast saying that helldivers aren’t trained is wanna the most internet thing I’ve ever heard Edit: super earth can destroy planets with the dark fluid and even if they run out its said that a super destroyer can level a small moon so a few super destroyers would destroy the surface of a planet
But Muh titans! (ICBM) But Muh Psykers! (guns work just fine on shielded Illuminates) But Muh Fortress worlds! (Every. Single. Super destroyer carries enough ordinance to obliterate a 'small moon' according to random ship master dialogue.) In all due seriousness, Super Earth is more 40k (or perhaps 30k) than most may want to consider (I mean your super destroyers are manufactured on *Mars* for liberty's sake!) but sleeker and better organized, complete with technological regression too! Example: Reinforcing in the first galactic war was possible due to 'Flash Cloning', while Reinforcing in Helldivers 2 is possible because when you finish your training you are the last of a ship load of trainees who are all issued to the same ship (further reinforced by the Democracy officer dialogue "I only regret that I have but one ships worth of lives to give to our cause") Now, go out there and make your (Duly & fairly elected) Emperor proud.
You say that like that stuff doesn’t all exist in the 40K universe as well, only cranked up to 11. Guns exists in 40K, yet Psykers are still a very real threat. Cadia took the brunt of countless chaos incursions, many led by ships that could more than destroy a moon with the firepower they held, and still stood firm. Deathstrike missiles, virus bombs, cyclonic torpedos, all of these cause massive devastation but yet, aren’t a “push button to win” weapon. The 40K universe is overpowered to the extreme, and that’s half of the fun of it. The Imperium encounters civilizations with better tech and soldiery than Super Earth in the Great Crusade and all of them are no more. I think Super Earth would put up a solid fight in the 40K galaxy, but would likely ground down by the sheer weight of all that is trying to kill them. Tyranids and Necrons alone would be a nightmare, as they are for any faction that encounters them, and their lack of knowledge on what Chaos is/can do would be a serious detriment and leave them open for corruption/possession.
bullets do work on psykers, if they are not projecting a psychic shield, watch astartes. psykers can also tear holes in reality (on purpose or accident) summoning eldritch horrors from hell (chaos daemons) which are not particularly susceptible to damage, think ethereal ghost with physical bullets passing through harmlessly, hence daemon hunters with specialist equipment, they dont die either, just go back to hell for time out. titans have star ship grade energy shields. watch the horus heresy trailer to get an idea. fortress worlds have ground based lasers designed for destroying ships in the void of space. thats not getting into necrons, or astartes. 1 on 1 hell divers are likely the equivalent of a tempestus scion skill and equipment wise.
Psykers can actively stop projectiles with their minds, illuminates aren’t the same as psykers, curious how heavy ordinance works Titans, it exists in 40K but they are still viable, can be chalked up to plot but still, and destroying a small moon , and the exterminatus from the Imperium are different levels, especially since inquisition carriers have enough ammunition to glass several unreliable worlds. Actually if you think about it, Bile Titans and automaton Stalkers (AT&AT things) are tiny versions of titans that can survive 500KG bombs so Super Earth likely doesn’t have anything that can effectively take out a titan
@@brickphone8069 dont forget imperial titans are also equipped with void shields so they would have to get through those first before hitting the titan itself
@@DarkMaster2522 Yeah, I don’t think HellDiver Stratagems could take out a Titan, they’d likely just be an incredibly well funded Guardsmen Regiment since they’re numbers and wargear is a lot better than Guardsmen Gear and they seem to have real training. I do see the Imerpium absorbing them and then reallocating their funding and resources, tuning stratagem tech
Super Earth honestly kind of wins 40k. They can completely Chaos and Genestealer immune thanks to their extremely high control over population. They might lack a proper space marine, sure, but I riddle you this - what will happen when a Helldiver throws a Railcannon at a Marine? You get a dead Marine. Imperium only has around 2 million Marines after the Primaris project. Even if each Helldiver died instantly after that one throw, Super Earth can spam a few million Helldivers and not really feel the difference. Also, I highly disagree with the threat of Dark Eldar - Imperium's reaction speed is INCREDIBLY slow. A planet will on average get reinforced after 2 years (yes, YEARS) after the distress call is sent and only when it is a full scale invasion. Super Earth usually knows what is happening within minutes and responds also within minutes, simply because of how fast their FTL is. Dark Eldar get annihilated every single time they try to raid any SE planet. Super Earth is literally like Dark Eldar on mega steroids. They warp in a stupid amount of ships. Those ships all deploy Helldivers on the surface. The planet get's conquered within 1-2 days on average. Imperium responds quickly and sends a fleet in 3 months. Now several things can happen - either SE tries to contest this, or gives up. If it gives up, the planet get's reconquered literally days after the Imperial fleet leaves and everything goes back to square one for the Imperium. If SE tries to contest, then the fighting looks like this: SE warps in a stupid amount of small ships all at once, they all fire a few salvos and instantly jump out. Imperium has basically no ability to deal with this sort of space warfare. Sure, some SE ships will get destroyed, but they have an EXTREMELY efficient war industry even in comparison to the real world - compared to the Imperium, there is abslutely no contest, SE just outproduces them per capita maybe even hundreds to one. The other option is that Imperium will deploy a stupid amount of Guardsmen to garrison a planet, after it had been conquered and reconquered several times. In that case, SE can simply... Nuke the planet into oblivion. It's not like they lack explosives - a single 170 m long Super Destoryer can level a small moon, taking a few thousands and firing at one planet will rip it's surface apart. After finally realising that ALL fights against Super Earth will look like that, Imperium does the only winning move they can - assemble a large fleet and send it to siege Super Earth's core worlds one by one. This fleet can not be intercepted until it enters the system, because of how Warp travel works, but in general Imperial ships usually leave warp at the edge of the star system to not collide with anything by an accident. This is now a test of kill speed basically - can Super Earth destroy huge Imperial ships fast enough that the siege fails? Super Earth will of course use the rapid jump in and out tactics, as it is the most sensible for them. Here, I believe that Imperium in general has enough ships to successfuly siege and destroy/capture those worlds. But it does not have enough ships to do this while at the same time dealing with all other factions. Imperium wins 1v1, but loses in actual setting. The fleet retreats, defeated. SUper Earth wins vs Imperium Super Earth wins vs Eldar of all varieties, as they do what Eldar do, but way better. Mechanicus might have Arks that will be problematic, but nothing SE can't handle with jump swarming. Orks are honestly laughable. It would be like fighting Imeprium that can not shoot back properly. Yeah, they are more numerous and usually tougher, but that does not really make a difference for jump swarming in space and airstrikes on the surface. Tau lose, unless they can reverse-engineer Super Earth's FTL. Even then, SE has higher population control and is more militarised than Tau. Tyranids are a problem for sure. They can deal with a hive fleet, but several at once will most likely cost them a lot. Necrons are the only actual threat. SE "technically" can deal with a World Engine by injecting it with Dark Fluid enough, but it is not a realistic option. Overall, Necron tech is simply better than SE's and their reaction time can make them a massive problem for jump swarming tactics. So yeah. They not only survive - they THRIVE. As long as they do not piss off Necrons too much.
@@kompatybilijny9348 Two names: Roboute Guilleman and Lion El Johnson 😂 It will be a field day for both Primarchs dealing with Super Earth and will Super colonized them and incorporate them into the Imperium with ease.
@@kompatybilijny9348 plus Belasarius Claw will reverse engineer FTL of Super Earth and incorporate them on imperium ships cause he doesn't give a damn about tech Heresy 😂😂 Overall Super Earth is done the moment the Primarchs decides to step in. Super Earth will prosper under the benevolent rule of the Emperor 😊😊
@@debasishgoswami9896 Primarchs are good at directly fighting. Tell me, how well a silightly bigger human fares in space battles? Not that good. Even with their regeneration and plot armour, Imperium simply lacks the technology to win against the jump swarm tactics. Super Earth has no flagship that can be boarded by a Primarch and instantly win the battle.
I firmly believe the Helldivers 2 achieve a WAAAAH! The fanaticism for Managed Democracy would somehow tap into the immaterium similar to how the Sisters of Battle can call miracles down through their fervor.
Imperial Guard are not cannon fodder, nor are they poorly equipped, that's a common misconception. Imperial Guard are the best picked troops from the planetary defence forces and are well trained and prepared troops. It's just that they often have to fight unreasonably overpowered enemies using reasonable tactics, which leads to high losses, since you're putting up an average human against larger, stronger and occasionally faster enemies. Their strength lies in combined arms tactics rather than individual soldiers. If they were to be cannon fodder, Imperium would've lost every single war pretty damn quickly. Also average lifespan of an imperial guardsman is counted in hours rather than minutes, which obviously gives the idea which army has worse training and treated like a cannon fodder. But otherwise I can see them siding with the Imperium as it would make the most sense, since both of these factions are human-centric, have shared goals and fight clearly hostile aliens. Imperium are the only good guys in warhammer 40k from a human perspective.
While I agree that the helldivers are a capable force, their advantages are really one of two things: numbers and super destroyers, but from what I’ve seen of the super destroyers their weapon batteries are positioned for air to ground support. I feel the ship to ship combat was a neglected topic. Are there any examples of super destroyers engaging in ship to ship combat? I’d have to assume not since they have two major weak points, the rear and the top of the ship where there are no weapons. And even if they were engage face to face, the weapons that can aim to the sides and front are limited. You can’t consider ground forces if the space forces can’t get close enough to deploy them. (Also I’m pretty confident that a single space marine boarding a super destroyer is enough to cripple it entirely) Also, as we’ve seen in HD2, there are a TON of weather conditions that affect stratagem deployment and tech (as shown by the robots I forgot the name of) that can prevent their use period. So great, you have a ship with massive firepower in atmosphere (that can only be there for so long, I’ll circle back) but you can’t communicate with it until you figure out what’s stopping comms. Back to the lower orbit thing, the super destroyers can only provide support in atmosphere but can only be there for so long (where the 40 minute mission timer comes from) so the SD is only an advantage for 12 to 40 minutes at a time.
I say that if super earth ever we’re just to randomly appear, no other faction would be aware of its presence at the time, so if super plays it safe and just keep to themselves, they would last for a bit longer than they are intended, but if let’s say the imperium of man ever discovered them, they would see super earth as possible allies, and both factions have something that they desperately need. The imperium would want their space travel, and in exchange super earth would be protected by the imperium. But if another faction such as the bugs or the heretics discovered them, the tyranids would rip would do what the tyranids always do, they would rip super earth down and inevitably drive them to extinction, the heretics on the other hand would probably not shoot on site but if threatened by super earth, they would just wipe them out so yea IMO super earths only chance to survive is to make peace with the imperium.
Super earth would lose what makes it super earth if it gets integrated into the imperium. Its culture, it's Tactics, the Zealotry helldivers have to democracy isn't just transferable currently to the imperial cult. It'd all have to be ground up from the foundations.
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 What? Not seeing it. I could see some issues with the Imperial Navy arising but not fully insurmountable ones. Plus, how hard is it for Super Earth's propaganda machine to just say "The God Emperor is the Living Embodiment of Liberty and Front of Freedom!" to nothing but cheers? Sure, the Imperium might blow them apart instead, but that's always a possibility with the Imperium and any independent human civilization.
Really cool video! I learned a lot about Helldivers' universe here than anywhere else. And funny to see that, in general, Super Earth would not be an "easy prey" in general. But, just so you know, WH40K was the cruelest setting I've ever seen - until it came to my little knowledge the Xeelee's series. Let's just say, to not take so long as I usually do in your videos, that not even the unified Necron's dinasties would have a chance there as far as I know...
A helldiver would see a single Lasgun and immediately soil his pants. Considering what a lasgun can do (has a pretty large "mag" size, is lightweight, can blow chunks of concrete off cover and has a rediculious range) it be the most OP shit they'd seen. Super earth would then try to nerf it
"Wait, so it hits like an AMR per round, has no projectile drop, minimal recoil, has 120 rounds per magazine, the magazine cap is 12 and it pens Medium armor? I found the new meta!"
My projection on how this might go: Super Earth's elite forces occupy a unique role in the Imperium of Mankind's vast military apparatus. Granted rare sanction by Gulliman acting on the Emperors orders, and having their own treaty with Mars brokered by the Primarch himself, Imperial Guard Generals either rejoice at learning Helldiver reinforcements are here (Notice I did not say 'on the way' as they often bear the message of their own arrival faster than any but an Imperial Courier, while often bringing forward messages themselves.) or dread their appearance. Side note: The Imperial Courier's are a large part of Super Earth's Tithe to the Imperium, advanced FTL ships modeled on the Super Destroyers design that provide direct message transference service for time critical messages. Data transfer duty between forgeworlds of the Adeptus Mechanicus are part of the Mars Treaty as well. Because Super Destroyers are as fast as the Courier brethren, Helldiver deployments can also mean updated orders for Imperial forces in a battle zone. Rumors of Super Destroyer/Imperial Courier ships with Inquisitorial markings are absolutely true, despite official denials. Like the Imperial Knights, Titan Legions and the Space Marines themselves, Helldiver deployments can be requested but not compelled, and rejecting the 'offer' of Helldiver support is a politically difficult proposition for an Imperial Guard General or even Planetary Governor. Comparatively, Imperial Guard regiments that are assigned to aid Super Earth's Federation in defending it's holdings (akin to how Ultramar is a subdivision of the Imperium, and carved out of former Xenos territory bordering the Segmentum Solar.) usually end up in high spirits, as they find the SEAF a cut above most planetary defense forces. There is some risk of cultural misunderstandings due to the seeming Xenofarming of 'Terminids' by the Super Earth Federation, so Imperial Guard regiments who have a service history relating to the Tyranids are generally not given such duties. Those Imperial Guard Generals who do appreciate Helldiver support often understand how to motivate them and how their peculiar dialect of low gothic informs their use of high gothic. In general, the Helldivers are given an objective where collateral damage is a virtue and allowed to operate independently. One exception to this is during sieges. When imperial civilian populations are behind enemy lines and holding out against them, Helldivers are one of the few support options available to the Imperium that can do enough damage to turn the tide of a siege. (Aside from Space Marines, who are far less numerous.) That being said, the use of Helldivers in regular pitched battles has gained some traction among the tactica, as few foes can pick out the single infantryman directing the orbital fire support, and it is far easier to ensure said support is not disrupted (removing much of a Helldiver's strategic value) with the army than behind enemy lines. The Imperial Navy hold a remarkable contempt for the Super Destroyers (As they see Helldivers as ordinance.) due to often needing to provide escorts for them to ensure their successful operation planeside. That being said, the Navy does enjoy gunnery contests for precision orbital bombardment and Admirals who favor swarms of lighter vessels are often glad to bring such improved orbital bombardment capacity to the defense of humanity. The Space Marines reaction to the Helldivers can be as varied as relations between the Marines and the Imperial Guard, and often as quietly condescending. Bonus fun: On the tabletop, a Helldiver is generally taken akin to an Imperial Assassin, just with a focus on orbital bombing stratagems. Though easily killed if caught in the open, they do have impressive personal firepower depending on wargear choices, with weapons that fill any role one might need quite well... often ignored by players in favor of having 'all the orbitals'. A common sacrificial tactic is to have them deep strike into the field and immediately throw out a powerful orbital strike marker, fully accepting the Helldiver will be dead by next turn and trusting the 'Reinforcements' rule to bring them back into reserves afterwards. (It is only a 1 in 6 chance to fail on the first time after all.) Suddenly needing to not be near an objective to control it, for fear of 380mm devastation can swing a game by itself, so say nothing of the Helldiver's absurdly high objective control value. (More than an entire squad of most troops in a single model.)
Those quick missions are perfect hit and runs. The quick space travel, decent naval firepower, and advancing tech would let a small democratic nation shift its force to critical fight after critical fight. I'd love a follow up video breaking down the small arms and support weapons abilities to deal harm to warhammer factions. As in, in a scenario that a veteran helldiver had a space marine dead to rights with a railgun could he land a fatal hit?
Potentially. A solid argument can be made that Imperial Guard issue Bolt weapons are basically what the Dominator gyrojet rife are. That gives us a decent idea of baseline firepower for small arms.
Super earth is in possession of the one thing that can defeat chaos, hope. The Imperium cannot allow hope to exist,because it is a threat to the power of the Ecclesicarchy
Maybe I am late after 4 months, but iI gonna leave my own (un)qualified thought on this. People may correct me cause I don´t know to much about 40k, but a thing or two about Helldivers. And I had a smiliar talk with friends once, who are into HD and 40K. First of all. I don´t think that Helldivers are really poorly trained. Every Helldiver was a SEAF member before and as far as I know, only the best ones get to the Helldiver training. Now this may be just speculation, but I also don´t think that the training in HD2 is the only training a Helldiver gets, as it serves the purpose to introduce the game mechanics to the player. Most things we learn there, should be things every normal SEAF soldier already knows. But yeah, they are still meant to be expendable, but if they are really so poorly trained, Super Earth could just send normal soldiers with a smiliar low amount of training. And why freeze your elite soldiers for later use, if they are so cheap and poor trained? Even with the low life expectancy of a Helldiver, we shouldn´t forget that a average Helldiver is capaple to deal with dozens to hundrets of enemys much bigger and stronger than him, because even arsenal without orbital or Eagle fire is quite strong and impressive. And we once pointed out, in an argument Helldivers vs Space Marines, you´d see some red beacons followed by orbital lasers and railcannon strikes. How would a SM defend if the railcannon is locked on his head? 4 eagles flying around dropping 500kg and clusters while 380mm shells and orbital napalm rains down. (best loadout in the game btw. take 380, linear barrage, orbital napalm and 120, throw it all into one place and grab some popcorn. for maximum democracy, all 4 Divers should do this) But I have to disagree to the argument every single Helldiver gets his own destroyer. That´s not the case. During a mission, when a diver dies, they out another one out of the cryo sleep and send him to dive. There are probably more on each destroyer. Lore wise I would say maybe even up to a hundret, given to that we can see many cryo pods on the destroyer. Gameplay wise I´d say at least 5 per destroyer, as we have 20 reinforcements, 5 with each player joining a match. But still I agree that the Super Destroyer is the best weapon Super Earth has. FTL jumps are absolutely OP as stated in the video. From nearly every threat, if to overhwhelming, they can just retreat in the blink of an eye. And we saw that, when Meridia got soaked into the black hole. That we created. Another reason for Super Earth. What stops them from doing the same again against a enemy in the 40K universe? Now, with the acutual major order about the construction of the Democratic Space Station there might come another powerful weapon to the hands of Super Earth. But the entire weaponry of a Super Destroyer is might the wants to be reckoned. Even though the destroyes itselfes are not that big. The orbital barrages, laser and railcannon can shred about everything, now imagine not only 4, but thousands of them at the same mission, which would be needed if fighting against the Imperium for example. Super Earth probably wouldn´t keep sending 4 man squads as in the current galactic war. And I bet every Space Marine (take the actual SM2 game) would be happy to have close fire support like Eagle. And we should not forget Pelicans cannon either. That thing can fuck up even Bile Titans. All in all, I think I agree with the video, Super Earth would be able to hold itself in 40K. They have some surprises in their pockets. But I also might be wrong with what I said, so maybe someone can correct it.
The point about every helldiver getting a super destroyer is both wrong and right, depending on how you interpret the statement. It's wrong to say that a single helldiver gets a super destroyer for himself, but it is correct to say that every helldiver has a super destroyer. There's a difference in those 2 things. You never have a super destroyer with only 1 helldiver on board, but not a single helldiver that gets deployed lacks super destroyer support, so in a sense, yes, all helldivers have a super destroyer.
I disagree with how Chaos would be able to be resisted with managed democracy, while it does make sense the issue is Super Earth citizens aren’t lobotomized drones who think only of managed democracy, they still have wants and aspirations, and being human those wants would be projected into the warp and attract Chaos’s attention, Super Earth’s violent and war like nature would attract Khorne, and the scheming higher ups managing the propaganda would gain Tzeentch or possible Slaannesh attention, their wargear is diverse but has 2 major issues, 1.Being very comparable to real life gear, while that works for Kreig that’s more because of how many bodies they can throw at their problems, 2. They get all their wargear from fleets, if any faction boards their allies ship they loose out on most of their wargear and artillery. They also have nothing to combat psykers, or dent stronger faction units outside of heavy artillery, I would love to see how a titan would handle certain stratagem fire though
To be honest, I tried to give the benefit of the doubt to Super Earth a couple of times, because they have the capability to "adapt" pretty well. But it can really go either way.
The democracy officer on the bridge isxthexreal captain i think. Also not every diver gets theirvown ship.... they are TOLD its their ship after they are dethawed from a tube...oh the diver died dethaw the next one! SE best xhsnce for survival is joining the imperiumand just paying the imperial tiethe.. likly in the form of helldiver regiments.
Super earth would win!!! Remember everything is canon. And since super earth humans are different from 40k their souls aren’t bright. Plus the most definitive factor. No matter Wich side at the moment of victory they loose
9:30 as far as I know that's not entirely correct. Imperial soldiers are trained moderately well by default unless they are unlucky enough to be thrown into a battle as newbies. Which is also logical, I mean what else do they do all day on ships or in military camps. train. The problem they have is that they usually fight against creatures that are superhuman, have better technology, are more in number or have special powers. and that makes them worse off than they actually are. But they're not cannon fodder like, what do I know, hormagaunts. Their training can easily be compared with the standard training of our soldiers on Earth, and even better depending on the regiment. And their weapon technology isn't bad either, it just depends on what the soldier was trained for and what he's given, although even the classic laser rifle isn't as bad a weapon as people like to talk about (flashlight in some old codex), only in that In Warhammer World there are many weapons that are superior to the laser rifle in terms of penetration. The armor is ok, it usually only protects parts of the body and is not intended to permanently ward off direct fire like servo armor. it's actually not that good compared to the armament. I think they are described worse here than they are standard in the lore. It depends a lot on which regiment it is, but the average person should be a good soldier who has to work in a universe where there are too many creatures that are superior to humans.
I think it REALLY depends on the regiment, more than anything. For example, the Cadian Regiment are absolute monsters compared to the "average" guardsman. That's kinda my point, there are a lot of regiments that are exceptional, but as a baseline, guardsman get "stronger" by experience, not because they are particularly well-trained. Hell, most of the regiments don't have the TIME to be well-trained, they are drafted as soon as they can handle their lasgun. And about their equipment: It really is that bad when you compare to what Helldivers have access to.
@@RedHierophant23 to be faire helldiver armor can protect helldiver against shot from automatons and they are similar too laser rifle and we can't forget about a stims and how powerfull they are
In terms of training Imperial Guards vary depending on where they came from, Cadians, Vostroyans, Krieg, Tallarns, Moridians and other guard units are very well trained. Unless the person is an Imperial Conscript id say Imperial Guard units are very well trained but receive heavy losses often due to the ridiculousness of the foes they are facing
Here are some groups from other scifi settings i think could at least survive in 40k or interesting to consider Star wars The sith empire from the tor era The republic from the tor era The rakata The celestials The galactic empire The new republic The hutt empire StarCraft factions Halo factions Gundam verse
9:32 not true most guardsmen are extremely competent the guardsmen that you're thinking of are white shields who, if they are lucky, get a week of training there on pare with helldivers including valkerys leman russes helldivers are just a imperial guard regiment
What about Helldivers vs SCP foundation at full potential next? Would the helldivers even be able to develop counter measures against the anomalies that the SCP studies? Would be fascinating to see!!! 🎉 💯
Takes more than bullets and bombs to contain the lunacy behind foundation corridors. They'd probably screw something up and ruin the planet within the month like let a cognitohazard spread or not keep up with the deers ritual
At best a helldiver squad would be just a basic storm trooper or scion kill team. And there isn't enough of them to hold their own planets from just two factions let alone the enemies the imperium faces.
Because Super Earth fought the entire rest of the Milky Way galaxy by themselves. I'll repeat that: Super Earth beat the ENTIRE REST OF THE GALAXY by themselves.
@@ZeroNumerous oh wow the entire milkyway galaxy, what about things from other galaxies? or other realms of existences? or even things possibly from the future? all at once while fighting everything in the milkyway galaxy.
Super Earth would lose pretty early. Super Earth gods, Arrowhead, would nerf pretty fast the most important weapons. They are more moody than the Chaos Gods.
This is sarcasm but yourargument is incredibly wrong. Super earth has better FTL, they have at most on par guns with the imperium, they have railguns like the imperium and tau, they probably wont be effected by Chaos because of their zealotry towards "Managed democracy!", they have a weapon that can turn any star system into a massive blackhole/worm hole, and we haven't even seen the other branches of the SEAF. The branches of the SEAF are, the Helldivers, the navy, the army, and the airforce. We've seen nothing of the navy and army, but we've seen stuff from the Airforce, eagle-1 and maybe pelican-1.
