Well, this puts a lot of emphasis on the fact that guardians, specifically titans, in destiny 1& 2, are freakishly strong. Because titans punch these things to death bare handed.
@@terrelldurocher3330 My friends and I had a discussion about how much a Titan's armor weighs. In Destiny 1, we got a hint from a pair of green boots that say quote, "A Titan's boots alone are heavy enough to crack concrete." At a minimum, their armor is 10 times heavier than a Spartan.
The Cabal are basically the Imperium of the Destiny universe. Their weapons, basically Bolters. Their overall size, comparable to an Adeptus Astartes battle brother. Their armor, ornate and (sometimes) very shiny. Their emperor, revered as a god. Psions, similar to Imperial psychers and can act as a sort of midway between the average imperial guardsman. No joke, especially in this current season (at this point in time, season of the chosen) in the lore, Calus is in a version of this golden throne and almost dead. And they have NUMEROUS legions similar to the Astartes chapter hierarchy. (The red legion, the skyburners, the sand eaters, the dust giants, the siege dancers, the ice reapers, etc.) Seriously, the similarities between the two are dangerously close to being at a legitimate risk of plagiarism.
Something I’d like to add; Emperor Calus (that lavish and spoiled neighbor) speaks of vault worlds which were dedicated to holding planet busting super weapons of varying nature.
As Empress Catal states, "We eat the mountains and drink the seas, we are the Cabal!" " Thats no ordinary Space Rhino" as the late Cayde-6 states when talking about Arms dealer.
In the EDZ up in the sunken isles where the Orobas Vectura is dry docked there’s a mountain that’s seemingly had a giant chunk taken out of it by the cabal to make room for the ship. They straight chopped up a MOUNTAIN to make parking easier.
Makes sense. In D1, Ghost mentions that the Cabal have been known to blow up entire planets simply because manoeuvring their fleets around them would have taken too long. Oh yeah, there was also that tidbit in the Red War about them trying to BLOW UP THE SUN!!! I don't think "subtlety" exists in the Cabal dictionary!
and if the dreadnoughts reactor gose nova it takes the whole system mind you. the cabal were about to do that before we stopped them. Also they have many words for advance but none for retreat.
@@AREB1DER people keep forgetting That a group of advanced psion’s can throw fucking moons. The red legion hadn’t lost a single war up until they tried to take earth.
Y'all seem to be confused. 1. The dreadnought was ORYX'S ship. His little bit of the ascendant plane dragged into the physical world. 2. The dreadnought isn't what destroys systems. That's Ghaul's allmighty.
A good quote to judge the cabal by is "They don't go around planets, they blow up the ones in their way" I don't remember the exact quote but that's what you need to know
When it comes to the Cabal Empires achievements from least to greatest from a planetary scale and there reasons for doing so they are powerful. The Psion Flayers tossing moons while only being part of a scout fleet(meaning that there are plenty more of them); having fleets that crack surfaces of planets; destroying moons into rings of ruin ;eat planets whole with the leviathan ;blow up planets for just being in the way ;and blow up stars not just because of strategic importance but to simply blow them up to make the galaxy prettier to look at from what Emperor Calus says ,which in of itself is a show of power. All of that and the fact that they are a Galactic Empire that rage war with the Hive who have there own list of achievements that makes them even more terrifying including the fact that they are intergalactic with there war moons and tomb worlds chasing the Traveler through an unknown amount of galaxies destroying countless civilizations that were more or less the same strength if not greater thanks to the Traveler. All of this while the Cabal were having a coup and being raided by "pirates" which could be just referring to the fallen or a number of races that became pirates. If it were to be just the fallen then it kinda shows that the fallen was actually a big enough threat to a powerful Galactic Empire that blowed up stars ,which may imply that the Eliksni ,at there height, with there multiple systems, emphasizes that there populations they once had was notable enough to be a threat even before there fall. Then we include the fact that they might have been much larger when there was more either.
@@godofallrealities51 I don't know... [Shrugged] I always pictured the Golden Age Eliksni to focused mainly on their homeworld, not much with the other planetary bodies of their System (unlike Holden Age Humanity), and before they even knew it the Darkness arrived.
@@CaptainPilipinas True, I don't know if the pirates that Calus talk about was just Fallen or a group of multiple species but at least we can be certain that the "wizards" that he mentioned were the hive at the very least.
@@CaptainPilipinas It's odd how that each faction basically can be listed weakest to strongest by there stage that each faction is in. The fallen: single system or multi system The Cabal: a Galactic Empire The Hive: Intergalactic crusaders The vex: multiversal computer hivemind (multiversal as in multiple timelines) The Cabal alone sounds tough enough to me to survive Warhammer 40k but the last two would probably thrive in the warhammer setting. The Hive thriving with there crusades and vex probably not caring about there enemies but filled with the desire to study everything that is going on . This would include paracausal powers like the light, darkness, and the power, forces and the gods of chaos.
@@godofallrealities51 Oh he's encountered them before (although I only heard through a video when he was toying around with the Device that lets him see things into the future and the past. One of them he mentions a 'king' (Oryx) ruling over his 'people' (Hive) and they were surviving (the Worms inside them) out in the universe).
According to Cayde-6: "You know, when they (the Cabal Legions) go to war, they're kicked out of the empire (Cabal empire)? Yep! Victory is the only way they get to go home. Not a lot of people know that~" Best of luck to you Space Marines out there, because the Cabal won't leave the Imperium and all others in Warhammer 40K alone until they get their 'victory'. However, if they do loose then they would retreat grudgingly.... *Right After They Blow Up Your Entire Star System, Due To Them Aren't Able To Conquer It...*
They use other technology to, their tactic to take on another ship thats stronger than they are, is to crash their own ship into the bigger one to create a beachhead, then they'll storm their way to the engine room and blow it up, escaping in their own ship of course, doing so in the game would have destroyed the solar system
The cabal come from torobotl, and Calus was spared for 2 reasons, the emperor was insanely popular and killing him and all of his loyalists in mass or leaving them suffer would be a bad look for the coup taking place. Number 2, as much as she hated to admit it Caiatl to an extent deeply cared for Calus and didn't want to watch him die, so instead she set him up to live a reasonably long and peaceful life with his loyalists to avoid executing him, she spared him. And the reason they were given weapons was to defend themselves should they be invaded or under attack, the ship ate planets to sustain it's self and keep the life support aboard afloat
Either fanboyism/girlism towards their non-Destiny franchises (no offense) or just can't understand much of the Lore in it. I've seen a lot of them with Destiny vs (or teaming up with) other Fictional Medias, and it doesn't end well for us Guardians due to *Them* comparing theirs with us in gameplay-wise.......Mostly. [Sighing In Sadness]
It's also worth mentioning the Cabal are stated to destroy entire planets and moons just because they're in the way and don't feel like steering the ship around it.
You forgot one miniscule detail the cabal currently are growing their army with clones that don't require training and are full size in ridiculously short time Calus used a lot of this clones to grow the egregore on his ship (egregore is basically a fungus that feeds of dead sapient beings)
Clone represant 25% of Calus army in Lightfall, every Cabal you fight are just Caiatl desertor, and since we just blow up the Shadow legion and the fact that Clone are heresy in the eye's of Caiatl Empire they are no longer produce. And now Caiatl have better, she have us.
Ridiculous is right... Iirc the "Bathers" from the Leviathan Raid were flash cloned on the spot during the encounter. 800 pounds of angry, axe wielding Space Hippo created from goop and imbued with all the combat knowledge it needs in less than a minute.
Could you PLEASE continue this series. I really want someone to accurately compare all oft the Destiny enemies to Warhammer. Vex is who I would want next, but hive or taken would be fine.
I’ve been thinking about this ever since delving into the lore of warhammer. The cabal are the closest to a warhammer faction I can think of. Other than the hive.
@@detonater7441 Halo can still be beated by 40k, star trek is debatable. The vex can easily be countered by the Necrons for they also have time travel and has a device that can literally destroy the galaxy at will, but only at a very very very high problematic moment. Xeelee series is understandable considering their way too advanced and same goes for the downstreamers. The culture would obviously lose simply put because they have very advanced A.I which Chaos can literally corrupt and screw them over big time and as for TimeLords, they'll struggle with the Necrons horribly, just like the Vex. And to those who thinks I'm fanboying I am not, I'm simply explaining logic and reasoning for these universes. The only one in the list that can truly beat 40k is the Xeelee series and the manifold series because the author purposely wanted to write a universe where humanity is at its peak of technology and become super advance which sounds cool, though obviously I prefer 40k because if one person is overpowered everyone is overpowered and also the lore from different race perspectives. Thank you and have a good day.
@@vothbetilia4862 ah, didn’t realise you edited your comment. I won’t really talk about Halo or Star Trek as I’m not a fan of either, I don’t really like Destiny much anymore but I used to be super into the lore damn, depending on your interpretation the vex are crazily OP. Destroying the galaxy wouldn’t really impact the vex as the universe is only one of a nigh infinite number they inhabit, I mean they have minds the size of galaxies. Yeah Xeelee and Downstreamers are my favourites and I agree. I can’t remember exactly how but I remember someone explaining how they could resist chaos corruption so I won’t go into that, the main reason that I and many others say they stomp however is because they’d simply be too fast for anything in 40k to react before everything in the galaxy is dead and the culture have already left. IIRC the Time Lords are super casual multiverse destroyers, but again, not a huge fan of these so won’t really speak on this. I personally prefer Xeelee and Manifold because I just love hard scifi.
@@detonater7441 Well Chaos corruption is something you really can't resist, especially Super advanced A.I, I say this cause the admech explain about it during one of the books with detail however I forgot what novel it was. For the Vex I looked up their battle tactics and it seems like the only attack in overwhelming numbers and massive armies, however I wouldn't consider this to be a problem in 40k cause 40k is like Stalingrad but x100, as the Imperium can also travel through different dimensions which I didn't believe it at first, but was in a book called I think the Dark Imperium. But yes I know Xeelee and manifold can beat, because of the advanced tech and stuff, though I'm more interested in 40k due to lore and factions perspective. Also have a good day.
Why putting in the Cabal (a bit of Destiny's version of the Space Marines (even if its mostly us Guardians) ) in Warhammer 40K, when you can put in the Hive/Ascendant Hive, the Vex/Vex Network Vex Axis Minds, the Taken, and even the Darkness Itself? [Rhetorical] (Bonus: The Light/The Sky through the Traveler.)
Someone said that the imperial land tank is around two thousand feet tall. Imperial titans don't often breach two hundred feet tall. Meaning the tank can probably roll over an entire legion of them.
Considering the Imperium has defeated enemies that destroy and warp time and space with like, a half dead space marine and two or three guardsman who have no idea what they're doing. Yeah, pretty much.
I imagine Orks would love to fight the Cabal head on and so would some of the bigger Cabal as well. Until they realize how much trouble the Orks are really worth and would eventually resort to blowing up the planet or the star system.
@@thorshammer7883 Imagine the Tyranids crossed with Chaos space marines. The Hive willingly take Parasitic worms into themselves that then demand an endless blood tithe in exchange for power. For a majority of the Hive this is just growing into larger forms starting from Thralls to Acolytes to either Knights or Wizards. Taking on the strengths and abilities of each morph as they grow. But as you start climbing into the named important ranks of the Hive that's where the reality bending powers really start showing up. Most importantly, Throne worlds. Throne Worlds act kind of like a personal warp realm for this important powerful Hive where they can essentially bend this slice of reality to their own rules rather than that of baseline reality. Secondly if this important Hive being dies outside of their Throne world they then just get thrown back into their Throne world to reform much like a Chaos demon reforming in the warp. So Orks verses the Hive would probably be just as bad or likely WORSE than Orks verses Nids. Imagine Octarious but each and every Tyranid is capable of higher thought and gets stronger chaos-esc (but not actually Chaos) powers the more they kill. Also the war could go several ways depending on which Hive god was in command of the Hive. Oryx the Taken King (assuming he's still alive for this comparison) could basically take half the Orks and turn them against the other half of the Orks by 'Taking' them. Taking being a process where a being is ripped out of baseline reality and reshaped by the darkness to be stronger in someway, typically by removing or cutting away a weakness the being had prior. This also of course removes the freewill of the thing being Taken. I assume a Taken Ork would be able to manifest WAAAAAAGHH powers by themselves rather than needing massed numbers to do so. Savathun the Witch Queen is basically T'zeetch in that she is the Hive god of Lies, trickery, deception and plots. But importantly unlike the warp spaghetti monster she can actually stand to have her plots come to their end and not keep going forever and ever. Now Savathun has two main iterations. First being her Darkness fueled self but the second being her after being reborn in the Light and her memories restored (Unwittingly) by the player. Savathun in her Light form would likely be the more dangerous one as the Light is what allows Guardians to be Guardians and thus is Savathun a Guardian and so to did she convince/trick Ghosts (Conduits for the Traveler's Light) to raise dead Hive as Guardians. Considering how Guardians are basically Custodians wielding space magic that makes them ungodly levels of dangerous. Savathun and her lucent brood likely being the ones that would actually wipe out the Orks in a war quite handily due to their ability to wield the Light. That and Savathun doing her usual schemes to turn the Orks against each other, granted that's not a hard thing to achieve either. Xivu Arath is the last Hive god and she is the simplest. Basically being the Khorne of the Hive. War war war everything is WAR. Xivu Arath going to war with the Orks would be the mostly likely to end in another Octarious situation as both sides just bash the hell out of each other growing ever stronger from all the ultra violence. Granted she is also the least fleshed out of the three Hive gods so there is room to expand.
@@thorshammer7883 Plus like orcs they can survive pretty much anywhere. From the moon, Wich now has a crack in it that's how much they've grown in. To even a frozen icecap of mars, Wich was artificially done by a machine. Though that was likely done via necromancy and that's a big no no in hive society.
No, I am watching the video and he ..well politely put, he simply doesn’t get the size of a Imperial task force, an that just one war front. his bit on the Titan is.... no just no he vastly under cuts them, even a war hound could destroy that supper tank, though that small Titan may be killed if they are as strong as he says. he under cuts the power of everything from the laz gun up, for example look at how a laz gun works the very gun he is using to kill them in the video is a joke compared to it, and yes the micro missile based guns are strong but comparing them in power to a bolt round... no you are talking about a gun with a much bigger calibre round that hits far harder. Though i think that the space ship stage has a point. But again numbers. The kabal could win every battle every encounter and make all the right moves, they are simply to small of a force. The imperium has killed many Xenos empires just as strong and stronger but they would be a good edition to the universe and a very fun army to play. With that I wish the space hippos well, welcome to the endless war.
@@mys6886 politely put, you don't understand the scale of destiny. The cabal he is talking about is one legion of the cabal forces. A traitor legion at that, that doesn't have the backing of the whole empire. And that super tank, was just the front end of it, it's many times larger than a warhound. And that "Laz gun" in the video is the Sleeper Simulant, it's a laz gun if an A.I, with the sole purpose of fighting wars designed a laz gun, It would vaporize a space marine in one shot. And a bolter and Skyburners oath are about on the same scale. Only if a bolter didn't only fire micro missiles but also micro missiles that were burning at temps to rival the surface of the sun. Solar energy can be a bitch. And that's cute, the Cabal has also fought and killed countless xeno empires and destroyed their suns when they were done.
there are trillions of cabal in the destiny 2 universe, they are the masters of an endless empire, and they claim to eat the mountains and drink the seas, they have defeated light-empowered gods before, they have unimaginable resources and the only thing that could f*ck with them is the chaos gods, and nobody likes chaos
From what we can gather, the Cabal empire was limited to a single galaxy... because they literally consumed entire galaxies' worth of natural resources to keep themselves going. At least... before Xivu Arath came along and fucking atomized the entirety of their empire on her own. That tends to happen when the equivalent of a Chaos God just happens to get summoned onto your capital one day
While the Imperial forces specialists like the SPHEES marines are undoubtedly even-more-bullshit then all but the strongest Cabal Psion's... The Cabal Battle Net would end up winning this. The Imperium would gain ground at first yes, they have more people to throw at it, and their lasers are like pistol-shots to the cabal but there's a frankly stupid number of them. the Cabal are actually smaller for once, and isn't that a weird fucking thought. But the Imperium is stagnant, and do NOT adapt tactics well, the Cabal well that's their Battle Net's whole thing. Any one thing the Imperium sends they can be bigger, and more of it but it's around the same tech level, they CANNOT rebuild as quickly as the Cabal, and they will only get less effective over time. Let me be frank here: I play Guard, and Mechanicus. Can a transuranic arquebus probably one-shot a Cabal through a shield? Yes, it's an anti-tank sniper rifle that can reliably down Necrons. Can the Imperial Guard flashlights tar-pit a Cabal Battalion to death with 100x their numbers despite using what might as well be a 9mm in the hands of a guardian power-wise? Yes. But they can only do it consistently at the very raw beginning, and they can't do it well enough to finish the job. EVERY Cabal soldier is firing a smart-bolter, and while they have tech-parity, and while the Cabal sure as hell don't have the hundreds-of-trillions of troops to throw down... their forces are more efficient, and will keep getting better at killing Imperials, and not dying to Imperials. The imperials have the BS-I-Think-too-fast-4-U Astartes... but they have less then ten million of those dudes total across every front combined. I do not like the Cabal, but I will give them this: they are too close in basic tech, and too much more efficient at using it due to the damn battle-net for the Imperium to grind them down faster then the Imperium would loose ground.
1:17 I thought the same thing too, but then you have characters like Consul, or any Cabal with their helmet fully off, and they survive very well on planets like Earth.
I think the cabal would be awesome in 40k. Theyd be the perfect opposite to the imperium. They are basically the same yet incredibly different. It be one of the few races the Imperium has to interact with as a peer advisary instead of the small blue guy with fast mech suits, or big dumb green people, ot undead robots Egyptians that had one looong nap, or magic elves that are much less numerous, and the sick; angry; horny; or confusing evil magic gods. The cabal would be a perfect race for 40k and any big fight between the cabal and imperium would probably result in mutual destruction, and if they arnt both destroyed, the winner would probably be so crippled that a sneeze coudl kill them. And i could imagine that depending on the threat, like possiblely chaos or the Tyranids the imperium and cabal might just form a very very uneasy truce. And well, even if just temporary, a truce between the cabal and the imperium wouldn't be good for anyone their fighting.
More to come, but I realised I needed to do more research into 40k if i wanted to do it justice. Thank you for your patience, and I hope you enjoy the content to come.
Not to mention, cabal infantry have wrist mounted energy blades that can be launched, and have a delayed explosion. There's also the gladiators who just plow through shit with the cleaners, and the war hounds who have bullet proof hides, and can swarm
On the ground I gotta give it to the Cabal. There’s not enough Space Marines to take on the amount of cabal legionnaires. If a single Space Marine is comparable to let’s say about five legionnaires, the Imperium is in trouble. The Space Marines are going to be incredibly outnumbered. And as for the regular imperium infantry, they are fucked. Sorry. They may have the numbers advantage but they can’t even dent the Cabal infantry. The legionnaires are going to chew through Imperium infantry like they’re candy.
@syrienangel4137 Cabal are out of armor equal in size and weight to an Astartes, they wear denser armor and more efficient weapons than bolters as Slug throwers have a homing capacity and shields equal to ship armor they just tote around. And Cabal if they get prideful can get larger and stronger. Plus I give Cabal a strength edge as they are native to a high gravity world similar to Jupiter, aka a planet whose Gravity is strong enough to rain diamonds.
@@Mike-bf2be And Astartes are faster, smarter and are more agile than any Cabal Warrior. These guys can have centuries of marshal prowess. Not to mention the amount of different war doctrines, disciplines and training these madlads do on a daily bases. It takes only a handful of them to take over a planet. You've seen that in Dawn of War 2, Space Marine and even Bolter. One of these guys can be an entire Guardian fireteam all by themselves. Not to mention these guy would eat Cabal brains and immediately discern the Cabals weakness. Like I said, Astartes are built different.
I do know that the phalanx was said in the book "The Flight of the Eisenstein" that it could have once been a planetary moon or something of similar size
the imperium might have a tactical and maybe even psychic advantage initially, but the sheer industrial might and scale of the Cabal is basically impossible to surmount. it would be like nazi germany vs the soviet union. a space marine could probably kill a cabal legionnaire but then he would get obliterated by 2 colossi and a turret. also psion flayers could probably navigate the warp if it came to that. guardians are overpowered as shit and the cabal still occupied their city
Plus the Cabal can grow clones in seconds with the Leviathan. A single normal Cabal Trooper can taken on dozens of Guardsmen A Colossus could take on even more.
If the cabal live for war, I'd love to see them interact with the orks of 40k. Both seem a perfect match for each other. Especially with the orks WAAAAAAAGGGHHHH psyche 🤣🤣
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No they would not, oh lordy loo they would not at all. Peace? No no the cabal don't even have a word for retreat, only one can rule and it won't be the Tau.
@@egge6145 the Light is paracausal. The cabal couldn't put guardians down for good and not even the Vex network (a computer system that makes the cable's look like a see and say by comparison) couldn't simulate or account for the light. Guardians are one man armies, unless you have paracausal weaponry or the darkness intervenes, you aren't stopping a guardian.
And since 2 year's Cabal have deploy another imperial land Tank on Nessus, and Caiatl ship (they where use by the Red Legion during red war when u leave the city you can see one of them in front of the traveler) Caiatl's ship can carry 2+ of these tank, and the cabal carrier that you speak who is way more smaller than these ship can carry 2 of them, so i think Caiatl flagship can carry 5 and that's massive. And only 5 of these ship are deployed on sol.
I mean a couple things, but a regular rifle could kill a cabal in armour, just needs like most of a clip iirc. A lasgun has around a hundred shots, and on the absolutely low end hits as hard as a regular AK, higher end it hits about as hard as a 50 cal. I haven't seen cabal take heavy machine gun rounds, but unless they can face take them, theirs no reason the guard can't fight them. Not to mention the absolute variety of weapons and equipment we see the guard use. Also if we are going by video game logic, the cabal don't have interceptors, strike bombers or the like, so the guard would sweep until they can find a way to reverse engineer air power I guess
A regular rifle even a clip wouldn't, the first scripted cutscene of Destiny 2 has a Redjack robot full auto mag dump a Cabal soldier and even fire a burst of rounds point blank on the helmets and it doesn't even harm the soldier. Guardians get away with it because canonically in the lore their powers make guns hit harder.
Tldr; astartes would likely win a straight up legion v legion of base space marines versus base cabal. The average space marine is 7.5 ft tall. That's not including primaris, stodies, or primarchs. They weigh on average of 750 lbs from most sources. This makes them rather large cabal specimens. We see in game that cabal are wildly inaccurate versus the astartes having near perfect accuracy against all but the swiftest enemies. Factoring all aspects of their armies you then have to involve things like the sisters of silence who would make psions useless, the sisters of battles dropping literal building into battle. Librarians and all their psych abilities. Chaplain and their terrifying presence. Dreadnaughts which may as well be walking fortresses. In addition to whatever insane abilities that chapter of astartes comes with. Both sport massive doors as shields so eh rinse that. Astartes come with a plethora of melee weapons as to cabal to my knowledge mostly have giant clevers. Average land speed of a fully armored astartes is about 50mph. I can't find anything about a cabals running speed so we will assume near peer, though unlikely. Lastly an astartes can and will eat their victim to gain their memories and therefore could learn all of the cabals tactics and relay that the rest of their chapter. Add this all up and arguably it would be very heavily weighed in the astartes favor. They are similar on size, but astartes have more weapons to field as a just a space marine. From power swords to heavy bolters to multi melta. In the theater of war options mean multiple avenues to victory. The cabal could and would likely have the edge as far as momentary intelligence gathering but it takes one astartes to eat one cabal to learn near everything and then the time it takes to relay that. While the cabal must learn it through attrition. Not saying the astartes would simply rinse the cabal but it likely would be a very one sided fight. This assuming a legion of cabal vs a legion of just base level no chapter space marine. If you involve their full power you then are involving things like the primarchs, who alone would rinse an entire cabal invasion force before breakfast.
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Thank you very much, that honestly means a lot. ive wanted to revisit this series, but ive really fallen out of love with both bungie and games workshop being shitty to evil in their corporate doing and its been hard to separate the wonderful worlds they’ve created from their actions. That combined with life being a bit chaotic has prevented me from really focusing on youtube lately. Ive got some videos planned but planning is the easy part. Doings the tough part.
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The Cabal eat the Mountains and drink the seas I think since we keep learning more and more about them in D2 as the seasons progress it would be a solid battle but the cabal would come out on top
Which titan? There is various titans for various uses. If talking about the Land Tank Emporer titan can easily deal with it. Volcanoe Cannon Has the power to destroy it. As for the Leviathan There is a very easy way to deal with it. Vortex Torpedoes From the main armament. Even the regular shells from main the IoM ships have an explosion radius of 8,000 miles. They literally can't use their main weapon without destroying something critical or friendly fire which would lead to defeat instead of stalemate. As for the Star killers, remember those vortex torpedoes? They do have the capability to create a blackhole via warp shennanigans(I would say rare because much more interesting things can be done). The main thing though is the introduction of the warp to the star which is a bad combination, but not really their strongest weapon either. The strongest weapons are the forbidden weapons in the vaults underneath Mars and the Black vaults. One weapon that came from there was a gun that erased whatever it hit from existence. About the size of a Glock pistol, unlimited ammo, and able to erase anything of any size from existence. I think it was called the Eraser gun. That was just 1 weapon. There is multitudes of similar weapons there. The only one that is not is the Men of Iron. Doesn't matter if there is one that broken and non-functional it is better to destroy it at the quantum/sub-atomic scale just to be on the safe side. One of those things would destroy any faction in the Warhammer 40k or Destiny series. All those forbidden weapons was used to destroy the Men of Iron, and even then they barely survived. That is what lead to the Imperium of Man. Could even say the Imperium of Man is 1 billion times worse than the Dark Age of Technology of Mankind.
15:46 Cap. In “Know No Fear” Calth’s planetary guns are shot at the star which make it go supernova. Also, maybe they survive against the Imperium of Man for awhile, but the other races can slap back hard and pummel them. Chaos, necrons, and Orks being big contenders. Something sorely missed in this hypothetical is strategy used by space marines vs cabal. As you said, Cabal aren’t very smart so a smart marine can over power them. The cabal were eventually brought low in the newest lore to one apocalyptic event while the Imperium has gone through innumerable and come out on top. The Cabal might survive for awhile, but in the end I’d say they’d lose everything to the other factions.
The cabal on average would physically just be intelligent ogryn/goliath ganger equivalents with much better gear and support and on the level of a meganob also.
I would just like to point out that a lunar class cruiser in Warhammer 40K, could probably take out the entire fleet that was present during red war. The sheer scale of Warhammer 40K is what makes it Trump the cabal empire. Space Marines are said to be able to run 70 mph in full battle plate. I would like to see a cabal do that. In my opinion, space Marines and the imperium as a whole would beat the cabal empire.
Makes me think, why haven’t bungie made like. Their own game with miniatures, would be interesting. I remember a while back they had megabloks and they release a lot of plushies like the Smallen. So it’s not like they’re strangers to the making of merch.
I see nothing in the cabal arsenal, logistics, intellect that would allow them to survive long. Their over reliance on their battlenet seemed to have made them extremly stupid, glutton and lazy. They seemingly are acting as conquerers out of the desperate need to conquer. Their only hope is to be in a corner like the tau and never make enough noise to be a bother, and encounting forces like Tau, gaurd, and orcs but not nyds, chaos, eldar, necrons. And just maybe outlive the whole mess. All of their goof ups in fighting the guardians are near fluke levels vs their implied tech and feats levels that I want to suspect the narration is flawedsomrehere and the cabal ego is inflated enough to suggest such.
They could survive but basically would be just as screwed as most factions, especially after finding and fighting the other races and threats. Definitely could see some un easy alliances
To the Almighty argument, the Necrons have the Celestial Orrery, which is basically a starmap of the whole galaxy, where a Necron with sufficient clearance can press an image corresponding to a star, and this causes it to go supernova. The Almighty still has to get to the sun at a system's core. The Necrons can wipe the whole system out with the press of a button without even needing to send something over there.
@@detonater7441 especially the vex a race that transcend time and space that want to become a fundamental law of the universe like the light and darkness.
I'm very late to this video but something of note that I think should be brought up: all of the Cabal we fight in destiny 1 and 2 arnt even like new troops being sent from home world They are a "small Battalion of troops" that will not return home until their mission is done. We arnt even fighting the full might of the Cabal in both games. We are fighting a small group of them in comparison.
If you research what kind of Vex we fight in both games, and what types of Vex exists elsewhere, you'll find out that they are even more terrifying. Possibly rivaling the threat of the Black Fleet.
Honestly i think the cabal would be a great counter to the tyranids as well, their battle network could parry the nids own adaptation , i think you should make a video on that.
