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Would Throwing Bowser Rip Mario's Arms Off? 

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Super Mario 64 brought everyone's favorite plumber into the 3rd dimension, and with him, his long time nemesis, Bowser. In their first 3D boss battle, Mario must grab Bowser by his tail, spin him around, and throw him towards a series of bombs in order to defeat his spiky foe. However, just what would it take for the pint sized Mario to physically lift and throw the colossal Bowser? Kyle takes a trip to the Mushroom Kingdom to get to the bottom of it in this week's Because Science!
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@becausescience
@becausescience 5 лет назад
Thanks for watching Super Nerds! This was a fun one that took me right back to my childhood, and was actually suggested by one of you. And for everyone that has something to say about Mario's "canonical" height, I'll see you in footnotes. -- kH
@mikeytomas2133
@mikeytomas2133 5 лет назад
The real question is how he holds his grip
@mikeytomas2133
@mikeytomas2133 5 лет назад
But how much force dose he really need to throw Bowser
@ross3209
@ross3209 5 лет назад
Yeah! I was right!
@theacepanda1606
@theacepanda1606 5 лет назад
Wouldn't he most likely lose grip on bowser's tail asumming him or browser doesn't break first
@dodge2206
@dodge2206 5 лет назад
Bowser’s weight is Super Smash Bros Ultimate is 135. Pichu’s weight in that game is 62 making bowser the weight of a little more than 2 Pichu’s (2.177) Pichu’s cannon weight in the games Pokédex is 4.4 pounds. Which means bowser’s weight is but a mere 9.58 pounds. That. Sounds a lot easier to throw. And one more thing what if Mario had his metal suit on with your calculations
@armageddon28
@armageddon28 5 лет назад
Never mind his arms... What about that crazy grip strength he would need to accomplish this feat
@kennethfinch4009
@kennethfinch4009 5 лет назад
Or how about all the other stuff he does, like hoist a huge bomb, stomp on and kill huge stones, and jumping huge chasms. He is probably one of the strongest characters in modern video games.
@sebastianwinters9864
@sebastianwinters9864 5 лет назад
@@kennethfinch4009 Or dropkick a castle into rubble. seriously the only reason he entered fortresses in super mario world was to not kill the princess or yoshis in there
@armageddon28
@armageddon28 5 лет назад
Mario is secretly super human strong similar to Link
@mennograafmans1595
@mennograafmans1595 5 лет назад
And his enormous weight to hold that force.
@marcosma2562
@marcosma2562 5 лет назад
Just assume he has super rubbery hands and Bowser has a super rubbery tail. If the coefficient of friction is 1u, his grip strengh will be the 555000N Kyle calculated
@minewarz
@minewarz 5 лет назад
Ripping people's arms off is indeed quite tearable.
@JacobEllinger
@JacobEllinger 5 лет назад
get out
@samhawk8603
@samhawk8603 5 лет назад
🤣😂🤣
@christokristoff2252
@christokristoff2252 5 лет назад
OH, YOU.
@Cartoonicus
@Cartoonicus 5 лет назад
Not... funny... 😡😂
@darkangel8566
@darkangel8566 5 лет назад
Pffft, i shouldn't laugh but that was funny xD
@dan_loup
@dan_loup 5 лет назад
Given the fact mario can survive travelling at speeds that take him into parallel universes, tossing a giant lizard is no big deal.
@smpmcb6924
@smpmcb6924 5 лет назад
Would the answer then be "No?" Throwing Bowser DOESN'T rip Mario's arms off, spinning him around does. If he let go and threw him earlier, he may actually still have his arms intact 😂
@igniex
@igniex 5 лет назад
Mario has a cannon height of 155cm and game theory has even double checked this in the latest game. This doesn't solve the scaling issues of characters between games but you could still just use mario as a ruler in 64.
@zacharysullivan7793
@zacharysullivan7793 5 лет назад
Gosh dang it, you beat me to it. Well put
@JamieHiggins638
@JamieHiggins638 5 лет назад
Game theory can get fucked. Don't get me wrong, I like the concept, I kinda like Matt Patt, but he does not do a good job doing his research.
@becausescience
@becausescience 5 лет назад
I don't agree with Game Theory's numbers/approach, and you can believe I'm not just going to use someone else's estimations. Also, checking against Odyssey, Mario is DEFINITELY not 155cm -- kH
@blackvial
@blackvial 5 лет назад
@@becausescience but they got their numbers from the source
@cloudstrife7510
@cloudstrife7510 5 лет назад
@@becausescience I know this was probably too long to for you to put into the episode but, I'm very curious about how you actually derived his height within Odyssey. If it wouldn't be too much trouble I'd be interested to hear how in the footnotes.
@thomasjackson3541
@thomasjackson3541 5 лет назад
I think the fact Mario is able to even lift Bowser indicates he probably has super strength
@Captaincory1
@Captaincory1 5 лет назад
He can also jump much higher than he has any right to as well
@jasonalen7459
@jasonalen7459 5 лет назад
@@Captaincory1 In higher gravity than our own
@soeveth
@soeveth 5 лет назад
Isnt it established in every Mario game that Mario has some type of super strength? His ability to jump so high/far, ability to smash brick construction mid air, etc.
@galarstar052
@galarstar052 4 года назад
he lifted a whole castle once
@KellinKingdom
@KellinKingdom 5 лет назад
Mario is an immortal demigod, so nah.
@umerpk4188
@umerpk4188 5 лет назад
Proof, or it's a lie.
@boxhead6177
@boxhead6177 5 лет назад
But is he so worthy to wield Mjolnir
@2vectors708
@2vectors708 5 лет назад
Mario, of the smash pantheon, god of indoor plumbing and turtle and pest control.
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 5 лет назад
To do this spin, Mario would need to be Superman.
@blackvial
@blackvial 5 лет назад
@@jackielinde7568 well in canon he has punted a castle
@kevinarwood1897
@kevinarwood1897 5 лет назад
Oooh. Also technically since Bowser has a really jagged shell, his legs are clawed and short, and most importantly he is clearly more of a landwalker. He should be a tortoise anyway.
@tomleonard830
@tomleonard830 5 лет назад
I saw a documentary with Bob Hoskins and John Leguizamo (a really, really bad one) - he's actually a mutated dinosaur.
@BarnyTrubble
@BarnyTrubble 5 лет назад
"There aren't any consistent canonical heights for Super Mario characters" *Game Theory has entered the chat*
@JanuarySnowstorm
@JanuarySnowstorm 5 лет назад
Today's Lesson: 550,000 Newtons, or 1 BF (Bowser Force)
@kevinarwood1897
@kevinarwood1897 5 лет назад
No mention of the Galapagos Tortoise? The largest recorded examples are right at 6.1 ft and weigh in at around 400kg. Maybe not the size of your prehistoric snappy boy, but close to your calculated Bowser size.
@martyshrekster
@martyshrekster 5 лет назад
I think he only went with Archelon because it had a similar comparative scale to a regular sized human as Bowser does to Mario, which allowed him to use a normal human's anatomy in the calculations. Though he could have also solely been looking at turtles instead of tortoises, too. Lol
@jor.jasper
@jor.jasper 5 лет назад
Jason Flieger Actually tortoises are turtles. If you’re an american I mean. Turtle is both the word used to describe aquatic testudines AND the order as a whole.
@facetentacles6528
@facetentacles6528 5 лет назад
I would think that if Mario had the strength to even start spinning him and get him off the ground, his ligaments in his joints would also be strong enough to withstand it. I based this on absolutely zero math.
@robertmassey9702
@robertmassey9702 5 лет назад
Sounds right to me!
@KaminariHouse
@KaminariHouse 5 лет назад
Hmm, maybe. I think he might start to feel some kind of pain though.
@jwhite5008
@jwhite5008 5 лет назад
Unless Mario is firmly anchored to ground they would rotate around their combined center of mass - around Bowser's center. Which would look like Mario riding on a huge tortoise marry-go-round. If Mario lets go - he would fly away - no matter what strength he has.
@gingercore69
@gingercore69 5 лет назад
Great video, BUT! there are 3 things you didnt have in mind... Someone who can jump many times their height probably has super human strength... Second, yeah, the arms are "the weakest link in the chain" but many strongmen have stopped 2 motorcycles by their arm strength... And those bikes are steonger than the strongest horse in the world... And third... When you swing something arround to throw it, you use the glutes, legs, back, core, etc... Ive been throwing small trees over a fence all weekend(obviously, none of them weighted more than me... But they weighted enough for me to understand what muscles are used for an optimal throw)
@jasonalen7459
@jasonalen7459 5 лет назад
Damn, you throw trees? That's super human strength in my book.
@gingercore69
@gingercore69 5 лет назад
@@jasonalen7459 eh... When you weight like 83kg, and you throw young trees(depending on time of growth trees are more or less heavy) its not that hard... At the gym, i can lift over 100kg... None of the trees i threw over the fence was over 50kg... I would say my strength is pretty average for my size if not weak... Having in mind olympic lifters 20 kg lighter than me can lift more than i do... The hard part of throwing trees tho, is picking them up... If the tree was forked at the top, i would grab one of the branches and the trunk lift it up while leaning back and giving half a spin before letting go the tree... The fence was about 1.2m tall(wasnt really a tall fence) most trees were about 2 to 5 inches thick and none of them was taller than 2m the trajectory i used was almost paralel to the floor since the fence was only a bit higher than my waist... Now... Ive seen a dude doing "contact juggling" with a telephone pole... THAT is super strength...
@gingercore69
@gingercore69 5 лет назад
@@jasonalen7459 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ns1tu1jZ3mc.html Something like that but with a waaaaay bigger log that looked like a twlephone pole is what i saw
@otakuman706
@otakuman706 4 года назад
@@gingercore69 Reminded me off a lot of past some work I occasionally did. But yeah, I've had to do some similar stuff when doing landscaping- like clearing large areas or 'clean-up' after clearing, as well as some misc. horticultural things or like cleanup after hurricanes and the like. After doing it a while you can definitely feel the effects on other muscles/groups. Anyway, I have also found the actual picking-up and/or balancing of them can be the harder aspect over just the weight. Especially with their weight almost never anywhere close to an even distribution, that can easily make more of an issue in where/how to grab and throw. Aside from that, as you said, the shape can also further complicate things since it also changes the aerodynamics; and certainly the larger area available for it to catch/hit something much easier and get stuck more easily than just a trunk or the like.
@matthewwriter9539
@matthewwriter9539 5 лет назад
4:30 don't forget to calculate the length of Mario's arms for that circle! Mario would not be still, maybe he would rotate around the center of mass.
@lordlard2833
@lordlard2833 5 лет назад
You'd need to also factor in the point along the tail where Mario is grabbing. This would effect how much the circle changes.
@NotHPotter
@NotHPotter 5 лет назад
Let's be real: his arms aren't coming off, because his grip would fail long before his body would.
@WarlandWriter
@WarlandWriter 5 лет назад
Kyle, my man, I am so sorry, I was very busy last week and I completely forgot, but happy 30th birthday!
@CalliKira
@CalliKira 5 лет назад
I thought it was the "anniversary of his 21st birthday".
@christokristoff2252
@christokristoff2252 5 лет назад
I...Kyle is my age? What have i been DOING to myself?
@tarmaque
@tarmaque 5 лет назад
@@christokristoff2252 You think that's bad? I could theoretically be Kyle's Dad. (Except I'm not. You know what I mean.)
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 5 лет назад
Ah, to be young and in your thirties... What's it like? (Seriously, the big 50 is looming in my horizon, about to slap me around as if I were Elmer Fudd in Bugs Bunny's hands._
@tarmaque
@tarmaque 5 лет назад
@@jackielinde7568 50 wasn't half the shock that 43 was. The year I turned 43 is the year I had to go on blood pressure and cholesterol meds, my hair started to lose all its color (Now I look blond instead of a redhead) and I had to have my first shoulder surgery. At the time people still thought I was in my 20's (good genes that way) and even just the other day I had someone guess I was about 40. The real shock of 50 was having to get glasses for the first time.
@RyanAlexanderBloom
@RyanAlexanderBloom 5 лет назад
Good show Kyle but not sure why you went with the mass you chose. You kinda glossed over that part quickly but it doesn’t seem to align with what we see in the game canonically. I’d have gone with the smaller stature and scale for Mario’s benefit. Smaller creatures have proportionally more strength per weight because of the way area/volume scales. A smaller turtle would also favor Mario. But I think even the 700kg is exaggerated. A terrestrial turtle would likely weigh less than a turtle who lives supported by seawater for most of its life. Also a bipedal turtle would likely weigh less than a quadrupedal one. So a 6’ terrestrial bipedal bad guy would maybe only be in the weight range of a gorilla, maybe a bit more with the Shell... but not an Archulon. We are talking 600-800 pounds, or around half the weight of the sea turtle. Could his arms survive that? I don’t know, but it’s probably worth checking since it seems way closer to what we see in the game.
@Groundlord
@Groundlord 5 лет назад
He might have gone for the larger one because all of the examples he gave are relatively flat turtles, whereas Bowser is much bulkier, more like a tortoise.
@ZGuy0fSci
@ZGuy0fSci 5 лет назад
he has a canon height but idk, shrooms? (the people in New Dong City are not our height.)
@zomble68
@zomble68 5 лет назад
So it would be possible that mario would rip bowsers tail off .if he throws him away if he does not get the ripping arm thing .. too
@poweroffriendship2.0
@poweroffriendship2.0 5 лет назад
*_DO THE MARIO!!! SWING YOUR ARMS FROM SIDE TO SIDE COME ON IT'S TIME TO GO!!! DO THE MARIO!!!_*
@CryptkeyprVT
@CryptkeyprVT 5 лет назад
now if only they would bring back Super Mario RPG and make some sequels. Need me some more Geno and Mallow.
@viktorstrand4431
@viktorstrand4431 5 лет назад
Wtf is that profile pic?
@XimGama
@XimGama 5 лет назад
@@viktorstrand4431 That is from Clockwork Orange, really good movie btw.
@Supermynci9000
@Supermynci9000 5 лет назад
Let your arms fall off your sides!! Oh god!! I'm bleeding out!! Bye bye Mario!!
@dksquad2045
@dksquad2045 5 лет назад
Rich gAmA Good? You mean it’s a Masterpiece! 😀👌
@Spielorjh
@Spielorjh 5 лет назад
"Velocity of Bowser" would make a great name for an 8-bit retro band.
@ctsjson498
@ctsjson498 5 лет назад
Why not just attempt to use the height in Mario 64, you know. The game you are scrutinizing. Also, he wouldn't be able to grip the tail with his hands at that velocity. It would just slip out.
@MrAutobot390
@MrAutobot390 5 лет назад
Actually Mario has a canon height of 5'1
@NotHPotter
@NotHPotter 5 лет назад
How tall does that make Luigi?
@MrAutobot390
@MrAutobot390 5 лет назад
@@NotHPotter According to Google, about 5'10 ish
@WarlandWriter
@WarlandWriter 5 лет назад
2:14 from a picture of mario from super mario odyssey I was able to derive that Mario's hat makes up 1/7th of his total length, which means (assuming that his hat was taken into account for his canon height) that his hat is 16 cm high. We can see that Kyle stands 4.5 mhs (mario hats) taller than mario, and his canon height is thus 112 + 16*4.5 = 184 cm tall.
@hozimina
@hozimina 5 лет назад
Fun fact about being Drawn and Quartered by Yoshi. While there is no definite value for Yoshi strength, we can use some of his feats to get an idea of how strong they are. Since they can race along the E Ring, the furthest ring from Saturn, equating to a distance of 3- 8 Saturn radii and since Saturn's circumference is 227,350.777 miles [using its radius and converting it to circumference], then we multiply the result by 8x to get the furthest point of the E Ring. That is 1,818,806.217 miles. Since they cover the entire thing in 14 seconds, we divide the distance by the time, and that means they were going at exactly 129,914.729 miles per hour. This is roughly 70% the speed of light. Even if we assumed that Yoshi accelerated to this speed evenly over those 14 seconds that's still 6327.016 feet per second squared. Assuming Yoshi weighs 81 kg, this have a force per Yoshi of 512488.296 newtons of force. That would nearly explode Mario with how fast he would be pulled apart.
@askalon4558
@askalon4558 5 лет назад
How heavy would Mario be to be able to spin Bowser without getting pulled by the weight?
@kurag5198
@kurag5198 5 лет назад
He’s Italian, he doesn’t need to follow logic
@zarfa-de1266
@zarfa-de1266 5 лет назад
Actually... In Super Smash Bros Bowser’s weight is 135. Pichu’s Weight is 62. Bowser is 2.177 pichu’s weight. In the official Pokédex pichu’s official weight is 4.4 lb. So basically: Bowser weighs 9.58 pounds
@TheBoxNinja72
@TheBoxNinja72 5 лет назад
Ahh I see you saw the reddit post too
@theskeletalrebel3908
@theskeletalrebel3908 5 лет назад
I guess when you consider that they are all toys being played with by kids (master hand & crazy hand) that doesn’t seem too far off.
@zarfa-de1266
@zarfa-de1266 5 лет назад
TheBoxNinja72 Shhhh. I’m desperate to get in footnotes😭😭😭
@sebastianwinters9864
@sebastianwinters9864 5 лет назад
and wailord is buoyant in air because its size and relatively little weight
@julianciari8026
@julianciari8026 5 лет назад
@@sebastianwinters9864 and furret is taller than charizard...
@blackvial
@blackvial 5 лет назад
Mario is surprisingly strong for his size, he has canonicaly punted a castle. Throwing Bowser is no problem
@cherrydragon3120
@cherrydragon3120 5 лет назад
Remember that gravity is different in mario worlds then earth. The weights are all different. Either things are lighter then earth equivelant because of lighter gravity. Or mario is stronger due to higher gravity
@gtetrakai
@gtetrakai 5 лет назад
I don't think Mario would care; he's jacked up on shrooms and is only doing all of this for some cake.
@memenergy
@memenergy 3 месяца назад
"yes, it probably would" Mario: *manages to pick Bowser up like a boss*
@SeantheBawse
@SeantheBawse 5 лет назад
I guess its a good thing that he wouldn't even be able to accelerate Bowser to that velocity.
@KaminariHouse
@KaminariHouse 5 лет назад
Well, he would, because he has super strength. Especially considering the wobbling that would occur, which would make it even easier for him. Although he might get hurt in the process.
@vyorion4485
@vyorion4485 5 лет назад
Dear KH. Mario actually does have a canon hight, which Nintendo confirmed some time ago. And it's 1,55m. Sorry to break it to you, though I hope you see this for the Footnotes. Yours truly -- AM
@Black60Dragon
@Black60Dragon 5 лет назад
That was clearly retconned in Odyssey 😂 Besides, Kyle said that BOWSER doesn't have a canon height. Which is true, he keeps changing sizes.
@poweroffriendship2.0
@poweroffriendship2.0 5 лет назад
Also, Mario's weight was 89kg. So he's not really fat at all. No wonder why he's plump despite the weight is still low as a marshmallow.
@killerbanana7639
@killerbanana7639 5 лет назад
@@Black60Dragon no, Nintendo made an official statement. The "humans" in odyssey are ~10 feet tall. Bowser's height at any given time can be extrapolated from Mario.
@Black60Dragon
@Black60Dragon 5 лет назад
@@killerbanana7639 really? I feel like I would have seen that announcement 🤔 That doesn't any sense. Especially when comparing it to the world around them, but okay.
@killerbanana7639
@killerbanana7639 5 лет назад
@@Black60Dragon they said something along the lines of "there are a lot of different kinds of people in this world"
@vizthex
@vizthex 4 года назад
You could say being quartered was a *tear*able punishment.
@saintalex666
@saintalex666 5 лет назад
Something I want to point out is that when being quartered, most people would already be dead. When that happens, the body immediately begins to lose some of its muscle (due to a lack of oxygen which leads to a lack of ATP in Rigor Mortis) and there's no chance of the person's limbs to counteract any forces put on it. Not saying that it wouldn't rip the arms off, sometimes there were problems with quartering even when they were dead so that someone would have to cut the arms and legs so that it would be easier for the horses to pull the extremities off. Even with those two points, it probably won't make up for the extreme forces (20x the world record for the strongest horse pull) that will be placed on his body. Thanks for giving me something to add for this video (I may know too much about quartering though). Great video and stay awesome!
@RowanB6
@RowanB6 5 лет назад
when calculating the circle's radius at around 4:50, wouldn't you have to factor in the length of Mario's arm?
@ToabyToastbrot
@ToabyToastbrot 5 лет назад
Mario bends backwards while hammerthrowing Bowser so I guess the length of the arms isn't really relevant.
@RowanB6
@RowanB6 5 лет назад
@@ToabyToastbrot point taken
@NeP516
@NeP516 5 лет назад
If Mario was such a strong boi then it makes sense how he is able to break bricks with his bare hands. Also goombas must be strong af to damage him.
@Supermynci9000
@Supermynci9000 3 года назад
Just by running or even walking into him, no less.
@talasblue4450
@talasblue4450 5 лет назад
Well if he can do this it makes the idea of him jumping so high and breaking bricks with his fists not so far fetched.
@LogicFreedom
@LogicFreedom 5 лет назад
I appreciate the effort put into this but I think there's has been an oversight. He is not just Mario. He is in fact Super Mario. Able to leap several times his own height. Smash through bricks structures with his head and fist. With the absorbtion of a glowing star he actually becomes invincible. Great work as always Kyle.
@ZalorgLeGoose
@ZalorgLeGoose 5 лет назад
Mario's measurement was incorrect as Nintendo confirmed that he was actually 5 foot 6 (around). The people are 11 foot tall. Love the show.
@timr6318
@timr6318 5 лет назад
Zalorg / Future ruler of Earth 5’1 actually, if I remember correctly
@vaszgul736
@vaszgul736 5 лет назад
Yet when scaled against "normal" vehicles in Mario kart he's about 2 feet tall.
@christiantothemax107
@christiantothemax107 5 лет назад
Wouldn't the rotation point be Mario's shoulders, or feet. Cause there is still the length of Mario's arms. Bowser ain't anchored to Mario chest. Would that change much of the calculations? BTW I love the show with all me squishy human heart
@ToabyToastbrot
@ToabyToastbrot 5 лет назад
Mario bends backwards while hammerthrowing Bowser so I guess the length of the arms isn't really relevant.
@nick4331
@nick4331 5 лет назад
“It’s gonna take some amount of force”- The biggest understatement of 2019😂😂
@spidermonkeybm
@spidermonkeybm 5 лет назад
I don't have anything nerdy to add, I just love the show. Thank you Kyle, very cool.
@becausescience
@becausescience 5 лет назад
Thank you Blayne, very kind. -- kH
@bobbobson5595
@bobbobson5595 5 лет назад
Maybe,if he doesn't fall over & let go first
@becausescience
@becausescience 5 лет назад
For a slightly longer answer, see the video above. -- kH
@luximo3388
@luximo3388 5 лет назад
A few years back all the physics stuff was just gibberish to me but now that I had few years of physics I know exactly what you are talking about and I can apply the stuff I learned in physics to the problems in the vid Sorry for my English
@WAMTAT
@WAMTAT 5 лет назад
Well he is SUPER Mario. Dude is a hero with a hat.
@daioh100
@daioh100 4 года назад
"You are way too cute and whimsical for what we're about to talk about" I rewinded that part like 5 times lol
@KnightSlasher
@KnightSlasher 5 лет назад
Mario don't you mean Red Luigi
@ZikedY
@ZikedY 5 лет назад
Spongebob SquarePants I think you mean fat red Luigi
@Jak_Nobody
@Jak_Nobody 5 лет назад
Short, fat, red Luigi.
@blobfish_plays6548
@blobfish_plays6548 5 лет назад
Luigi gang
@zidanez21
@zidanez21 5 лет назад
According to Nintendo's official say Mario is 151 cm not 112 cm
@kobra162
@kobra162 5 лет назад
You mean 155cm
@zidanez21
@zidanez21 5 лет назад
@@kobra162 oh yeah! Thanks
@ted544
@ted544 5 лет назад
You mean 154.94 cm
@spyda1857
@spyda1857 5 лет назад
While the numbers check out. One minor thing that could save Mario's arms would be the fact that he would simply pass out. As the G force acting on his blood would cause it to pool in his brain since he's at the center of the rotation the forces go up exponentially. And as you know squishy bois don't do too well with negative G's. Great show as always.👍
@rossgaynor8918
@rossgaynor8918 5 лет назад
There is also the galapogas turtle which is around 6 foot, the same size as the height of Bowser you mentioned.
@salvsays
@salvsays 5 лет назад
So technically speaking.. throwing bowser wouldnt rip marios arms off, swinging bowser would be the thing that would cause the arm rip-page... And as kyle knows... being technically right.. is the best kind of right ;).
@becausescience
@becausescience 5 лет назад
"Would the process of throwing Bowser rip Mario's arms off?" Is a bit wordy -- kH
@salvsays
@salvsays 5 лет назад
Because Science doesnt make me any less right!
@minewarz
@minewarz 5 лет назад
Why do you sign your comments, even though you now have your own channel?
@infiniteaseem6523
@infiniteaseem6523 5 лет назад
Because Science!!! 😂
@richardneri9759
@richardneri9759 5 лет назад
So you know it’s Kyle and not one of his minions replying to you
@Black60Dragon
@Black60Dragon 5 лет назад
Because he's not the only person working on this channel.
@becausescience
@becausescience 5 лет назад
Because a few people help me run the show over here, and I want you to know it's me talking to you directly -- kH
@revengeofthenerds7067
@revengeofthenerds7067 5 лет назад
Loved the video! Please keep them coming and make one about defeating the T-1000 with science
@ControllerTape
@ControllerTape 5 лет назад
"There aren't any consistent canonical heights for Super Mario characters" Clearly Kyle doesn't watch any of MatPat's 17.2 billion episodes on Mario physics
@ZSsZone
@ZSsZone 5 лет назад
Mario? You mean constantly saving princess peach?
@jburroughs2922
@jburroughs2922 5 лет назад
That makes for a very mad mad mario
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 5 лет назад
So long Gay Kyle.
@xtieburn
@xtieburn 5 лет назад
He does prove himself super durable pretty constantly though. Mario can fall from any height, smashes his head through solid blocks almost the same volume as he is without so much as a bruise, can jump many times his own height, hold his breath seemingly indefinitely, kick cannonballs and missiles out of the air, etc, etc.
@Derpy1969
@Derpy1969 5 лет назад
12:02 “...it would lessen or greaten the forces...” Greaten. A perfectly cromulent word.
@feyntmistral1110
@feyntmistral1110 5 лет назад
Chiming in from work on this. >O The act of drawing was dragging the condemned to execution, bound and usually to a structure, behind a horse. Quartering was done by chopping the individual into pieces rather than pulling them apart. Having someone rent asunder by horses I can't confirm, but I wouldn't expect a slow and steady pull unless it was significant would be capable of doing more than dislocating joints. It would likely take repeated jarring of the joints, like starting at a quick pace and stopping to reset, to dismember a person. This would seem to be supported by your tensile strength numbers, where the skin and muscles wouldn't be able to hold the limbs together, but tendons and bones would remain in place and whole. Skin is elastic though (to a point) so for the dislocation of all of his joints, Mario's arms would probably still remain intact. The pain though would be excruciating, and I doubt he could hold Bowser for long, let alone do it two more times. The bigger issue is Mario as an anchor point for the spin: Mario is not nearly massive enough to counter balance big boy Bowser. Forget the arms, he'd need extreme leg and back muscles to be able to push against that kind of force. The moment Bowser started getting up in speed in the spin, Mario would be pulled along with him.
@GulfsideMinistries
@GulfsideMinistries 5 лет назад
Who knew that Bowser's best disarming technique was to lay there and let Mario throw him. ;-)
@Jacen32272
@Jacen32272 5 лет назад
First off, Mario routinely demonstrates superhuman abilities in his leaping and lifting capabilities. So, it's very likely he has the superhuman toughness needed for such feats. Second, the prehistoric turtle you mentioned would have had nowhere near Bowser's mobility on land, and thus it's likely Bowser would have a different mass; likely a mix of air pockets and differing musculature would make him lighter then his near-purely aquatic relatives. So, I expect a mixture of greater strength and lower mass would make this throw possible.
@MrLazymandan
@MrLazymandan 4 года назад
Love when you giggle through your impressions lol
@christophergillette7167
@christophergillette7167 5 лет назад
Totally love that you described Mario as "humanoid"
@samreddig8819
@samreddig8819 5 лет назад
1:17 swol is the goal
@bostontracy5151
@bostontracy5151 5 лет назад
Mario’s grip would have to be tremendous! Even if your numbers are a tad off, which is unlikely because I followed along with them and they sound right, he would still have to have a near perfect grip to hold onto Bowser’s tail. Something along the lines of a C-clamp made of the worlds strongest material, lonsdaleite. On another note, that you somewhat got into near the end, Mario would have to be incredibly heavy; think 3’8” of Pu-244. He’d have to be that dense/heavy to resist wobbling at all as he spins with such huge circular velocity (huge referring to normal human movement-speed)! Love the show, by the way! I often watch and often comment the problems I see with your component considerations, or the lack thereof. Love this episode, though!
@jacob6885
@jacob6885 5 лет назад
Well, you covered one of my thoughts in the last minute. I was going to point out that with their relative mass, the center of mass of the system would be inside bowser, so Mario would not be able to spin him without an anchor of some sort. Nice catch there at the end Kyle. We also did not consider the lateral force that had to be applied to get Bowser moving in the first place. While the tensile strength is a strong point of biological bodies, the torque required to accelerate to that spin speed would apply high stresses in lateral directions to the bones in Mario's arms. All this is assuming that Mario's grip and Kuppa's tail don't fail. In truth, there would be no arm ripping off. The point of failure would be wrist or fingers at worst, but most likely he would simply not be able to maintain his grip either due to strength and/or pain, or a simple lack of friction. As for mention of Mario's physical characteristics at the end there. I will point out that we are talking about a "human" that can jump 3+ times his height (depending on game) while having enough energy left over to punch through bricks. Even if we assume the bricks were magically floating and have no adhesive, so he was simple pushing/punching hard enough to scatting a one meter cube of brick across a ~9 square meter area, that is still a super human feat.
@shawnj1964
@shawnj1964 5 лет назад
Great episode. Poor Mario. This mad me think of the track and field competition hammer throw in which the athlete spins around and tosses a 16 pound ball as far as possible. The world record toss was 86.74 meters. Assuming Mario was able to bring the same mad strength employed in his browser toss to bear on the hammer throw, how far would he chuck that sucker?
@shawnj1964
@shawnj1964 5 лет назад
*made me think, not mad me think.
@autumndidact6148
@autumndidact6148 5 лет назад
I feel pretty confident that Mario's grip strength would fail well before his joints would tear apart. Given that, unlike with quartering, the only thing holding him to Bowser is his own grip, that would leave him a little sore but mostly unharmed in the attempt.
@therealdestructicus
@therealdestructicus 5 лет назад
The only thing keeping an arm on from a force in that direction is skin and the trapezius muscle, there's no real bone locking anything into place since the shoulder joint is so maneuverable.
@Nierune
@Nierune 5 лет назад
he must have one hell of a grip, to hold on to the tail till his arms rip off...
@TheGrimLlama
@TheGrimLlama 5 лет назад
I feel like the grip strength of his flesh mounds/hands would give out before any of these other forces had an impact.
@darkseraphim42
@darkseraphim42 5 лет назад
Hey Kyle! Love the vids and really enjoy the content, but I think in this case there was a much much easier option for calculating the forces here. Why not calculate the velocity and forces needed to accelerate Bowser in the trajectory he flies at the moment Mario releases Bowser's tail? No rotational or framerate counting complications, just how fast and how far does the King Coopa fly? Is there trajectory to his flight? As always, big fan here and always looking for another perspective in relatively fantastical physics problems ;)
@BigMobe
@BigMobe 5 лет назад
His grip strength would have to be greater than force needed to tear his arms off. During quartering victims were cut across the body prior to the horses taking off and very long ropes were used so the horses could build up the speed and momentum needed.
@donniemorrow
@donniemorrow 5 лет назад
I think the square-cube law helps a bit here. If we reduce everything down to the 3'8" Mario scale (including the radius of the circle, the mass of Bowser, the velocity around the circle, and the cross-sectional area of Mario's arms), I calculate a pressure value of ~15 MPa and a force on each arm of 30 kN (7000 lbf). This cuts the Ultimate Tensile Strength required in about a third. Still likely to rip his arms off, but it's a lot closer than before. Always show your work: Height of Bowser: 4.6m -> 1.88m Mass of bowser: 2200kg -> 600 kg (scale down the leatherback sea-turtle from 2.0 m to 1.88 m. Note: scaling up the snapping turtle in this way gives 1000 kg, and the archelon gives 150 kg. The mass is inconsistent, so I picked the median value) Radius of the circle: 2.3m -> 0.94m Velocity: 24 m/s -> 9.8 m/s Total centripetal force: 550 kN -> 60 kN Area of each of Mario's arms: 0.005 m^s -> 0.002 m^2
@peterhacke6317
@peterhacke6317 5 лет назад
Taking another approach, estimating the throwing distance at 20 meters, the angle at a optimal 45 degree and gravity at 1 g, we get a lower speed of only around 14 m/s at the moment of release. Which would more than halve the force on marios arms, but still surpass forces during quartering by a few times. Guess i couldn't rescue the poor little plumber with that.
@CodeWookiee
@CodeWookiee 5 лет назад
Terrifying but amusing episode, Kyle! But what I'd like to know is how fast Mario would fly backwards after releasing Bowser if his arms didn't get ripped off by the spin. TL;DR - Mario might fly backwards at over Mach 4! If you assume that somehow (magically), Mario was applying a horizontal force to the ground to generate the centripetal force to counter the 2200KG mass of Bowser, then when he released Bowser, Newton's 3rd Law and all that considered, he should fly backwards at some velocity, and it should be proportional to the speed at which Bowser is thrown (24 m/s), scaled by some value based upon the ratio of Mario's mass versus Bowsers and possibly his center-of-mass distance from the center of spin (assuming he would have to lean back to brace horizontally, like Hammer Throw athletes do for a much smaller weight). Now if we go with Kyle's 112cm height estimate for Mario, and use the BMI index, assuming Mario's in his mid 30's and is moderately overweight, we get an estimate of around 37KG for Mario. This makes the mass ratio between the two approximately 60:1. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any information on how Mario's position would affect the resultant speed (most of the information on Hammer Throw physics is about the hammer, not the thrower), but we could still calculate a probably max-speed at which he would fly backwards: 24 m/s * 60 = 1440 m/s (approximately 3221 mph, or just over Mach 4). That's faster than the muzzle velocity of most handguns, and approaching/exceeding the speed of the highest performance rifle rounds (such as a .204 Ruger, which tops out at 1358 m/s). Maybe you could help me out with the missing piece of the puzzle? Whether the location of Mario's center of mass would affect his "recoil" speed? And if so, what would it be?
@MrOssuarian
@MrOssuarian 5 лет назад
I believe the words Kyle used were, "magically stuck"
@CodeWookiee
@CodeWookiee 5 лет назад
@@MrOssuarian yeah, I know. If he were stuck, then he wouldn't fly away, so I changed it up a little, but tried to nod to that with my use of "magically", but redirect the magic to not being stuck, but being able to present enough horizontal counter-force to stay in place.
@Sebby_Nineteen
@Sebby_Nineteen 5 лет назад
Couple things: 1st, the game footage you showed shows Mario is almost spinning around on his but. 2nd, Mario regularly punches SOLID BRICK, hence the Super in his name.
@abt815
@abt815 5 лет назад
How you haven't landed a tv show yet is beyond me. Great episode.
@Dlatrex
@Dlatrex 5 лет назад
Great discussion as always Kyle may I bring up a few turtle points. I understand if you chose archelon in order to make your mass and size estimates, but Bowser really doesn’t have the profile of a marine turtle. Sea turtles (and some freshwater turtles) are very flat in profile, whereas terrestrial turtles (and Bowser) have a more spherical cross section to help prevent being overturned and stranded on their backs. There are some terrestrial cases in paleontology that could be his real life spirit animal. For example, in prehistoric Australia Meiolania reached about half a ton in weight and 8 feet in length. But you really want to look up a picture of this guy: studded dorsal scutes, rings of spikes on the tail, a HUGE head... with horns! Mass estimates for any of these ancient turtles and tortoises is a tricky business, but even if you used Meiolania I think the results should be about the same for poor Mario.
@TheChristmasNinja12
@TheChristmasNinja12 5 лет назад
Hey Kyle, great episode! One problem I noticed though is that you went ahead with using the full size of the ancient turtle instead of any sort of equivalent. If Bowser is supposedly 1.88 m tall, then the turtle you used was well over twice his size! Assuming the weight/height ratio for both turtles is the same (although I realize volume increases exponentially, let's just ignore that), Bowser should actually weight in at about 900 kg, nearly 1 ton! Then, inputting this weight into your equations while assuming a center of mass radius of 0.94 m and a time of 0.6 seconds per rotation, we get about 93,000 N of force on both of Mario's arms. Converting this to pounds, we see that each arm experiences about 10,000 lbs of force, around 3 times the expected output of one beefy horse. So, in the end, Mario would definitely still lose both his arms, but I think these values are a bit more representative of what the "real world" version of this would look like. P.S. If the bombs that Bowser gets thrown into are strong enough to fling him back to the center of the arena, wouldn't they be strong enough to seriously injure Mario, considering how close he is?
@knightcode
@knightcode 5 лет назад
I’m pretty sure that much force would overcome the frictional force that his grip could generate before it ripped his arms off, so that bowser would slip from his hands first.
@radekmiedzinski6087
@radekmiedzinski6087 5 лет назад
Hi Kyle! You estimated that Bowser is 4,6 m but in the footage form the game he looks like maybe twice as big as the bomb. The bomb looks like a standard naval mine which is about a meter in diameter. This will give us the diameter of Bowser roughly 2 meters (so it's quite close to the scale from Super Mario Oddysey you mentioned). Assuming that Bowser would still be an Archelon, just slightly smaller (a child maybe ;P), and scaling his mass down he'll be about 932 kg. Putting those numbers into equations (I've used your calculation for time) theoutcome is 103 kN total, about 20,6 MPa of pressure. According to Wikipedia ultimate tensile strenght of human skin is about 20 MPa so it may have not been so tragic for the Spaghetti Boy. Great episode. Such a shame I had to wait until today to watch it.
@peterremstad330
@peterremstad330 5 лет назад
Kyle, love the series, couple of items on this one. First I'm pretty sure Bowser would be a tortoise not a turtle. Turtles are amphibious while tortoises are terrestrial animals. Over every Mario game I don't think I've ever seen Bowser in the water, so likely a tortoise... unless he swims in Lava or something. The other item you started to bring up at the end of the episode, what would happen to Bowser? Well if Bowser is a male tortoise in his tail is his cloaca. Cloaca's are the all purpose excrement/reproduction orifice for some animals. This means that Bowser's privates reside within his tail. So Mario is effectively grabbing Bowser by his twig and berries and then applying these forces to them. It's no wonder that Bowser stops moving once Mario's vice-like grip latches on down there.
@electricnick260
@electricnick260 5 лет назад
I think it's more likely that Mario would get yanked off the ground before he were actually seriously injured. Scientifically based on the game, Mario would definitely lose some limbs as you discovered, but I feel like bowsers mass is too big for Mario to just stay put realistically. At his height he probably only weighs 65-75 pounds at most. So bowser definitely outweighs him. Mario would probably still suffer serious injury, but I doubt he would lose his arms in a more realistic scenario. Thanks for keeping it true to the game though and not thinking about realism like me though, makes the video much more entertaining
@WildestWildMan
@WildestWildMan 5 лет назад
Hi Kyle! 2 questions: 1. What type of material would Mario's arms have to be most similar to in order to perform this Bowser Throw? 2. Even though this experiment is specific to that game, what do you think Mario's grip strength would have to be in order to hold on that long? In other games, Mario doesn't have nubs for hands, he has fingers. Would Bowser's tail just slip out of his grip even before he gets to a rotation speed that is fast enough to throw Bowser that distance (which seems pretty far for their sizes). Love the show!
@fatbabyjake
@fatbabyjake 5 лет назад
Great episode. There are a lot of Super Mario questions I'm sure would be fun or interesting to tackle. How about an episode about Sammus and how she can shrink herself down into a tiny little ball to do attacks, jump in ball form to gain a more effective jump, as well as all the other fun stuff Sammus does in the games with that particular moves? Thanks again to Kyle and the Because Science team for a fun episode that took me back to my childhood days as well. I honestly want to hook up my original Nintendo and play Super Mario Bros. 3 now haha. Can't wait for the live episode later today and your "Science of Mortal Kombat" episode next week!
@gregnashe3161
@gregnashe3161 5 лет назад
Ok Kyle I got a lot for you here. First I love ur show and also how u went through the different ideas of turtles, not giving ur final turtel showing the process. People often think that science and u just can magically bring in numbers and ideas, when in truth it is a trail and error process to get the best outcome. This shows how lucky my the process is for ur show. So wouldn’t the issue of mass of our fire breathing turtel be better if we did go with the snapping turtel? We have the estimated height of bowser and therefore the length so with what we know of snapping turtel can we make a ratio to cross multiple to get mass (assuming that they have the same body type and makeup). I also think that ur not giving Mario his credit of strength. This is a guy that break cubes of bricks (yes it looks like the bricks are cemented together so when it breaks the actual bricks are still intact. So it is just cracking the foundation of cement sticking to them together but nonetheless still strong. A lot of the strain would be on his legs (I think) and this guy can jump at least 5 times his height based on the newest Mario brothers game. This has a lot of strength for the little guy like spiders. MOST IMPORTANTLY the general strength is shown by his BUTT CLENCHING. The force of the butt clenching out of pain on his amazing. One touch of lava and the speed and force of the butt shoots himself what looks like five times his height again. If you know his weight and now the size u can figure out the force of the butt pushing him up. Lastly u talk a lot about you hair but what products do u use on ur beard? A lot of questions and can’t wait to hear some answers.
@holynovaentertainment5007
@holynovaentertainment5007 5 лет назад
*_SO LONG-A-BOWSER!_*
@Xurreal
@Xurreal 5 лет назад
... 120 Stars.. Also, there may not actually be as much gravity in the world of Peach's painting worlds to create as much gyrating* force during the spin! We know Bowser's mass, but on that platform, we dont know his true weight. This would help a little to explain Mario's incredible hops, but we're talking about Mario (he's high). Love the show!
@seanpeery7780
@seanpeery7780 5 лет назад
If I remember correctly, in quartering the horses pulling never actually caused dismemberment. If you look at the depictions there is normally someone with an ax standing nearby to chop the person to pieces. There is no official recording of an arm being removed from being pulled by a horse, it is just a misinterpretation from what being pulled by horses was supposed to do. It is much more likely that the horse was just to cause extreme pain and make it a very public show before chopping the person into pieces. You can imagine how logistically difficult it would be to actually get all four limbs off this way. As soon as one arm was off your forces would drastically change and you would be very likely to injure one of the horses from the sudden give in tension.
@kavakahn9387
@kavakahn9387 5 лет назад
There are a few more things that need to be taken into account here. The Mario games obviously take place somewhere outside of Earth, which isn't really mentioned aside from Mario's origin story. Wherever the Mushroom Kingdom is, the gravitational force is not as strong as Earth's because Mario is able to jump at least 3 times his height, or roughly 18 feet in the air, whereas maybe a skilled athelete on Earth could hardly jump 1/3 of their height, meaning that everything must be lighter in the Mushroom Kingdom, perhaps the reason why blocks float. Another thing to be taken into consideration is that Bowser might not be a specific animal. More than likely, he's a chimera of a human, a bison, and either an alligator snapping turtle, an archelon, or both.
@Daniel_Coffman
@Daniel_Coffman 5 лет назад
Mario after throwing Bowser: 'Tis but a scratch. Us: A scratch?! Your arm's off!
@toropazzoide
@toropazzoide 5 лет назад
Tis but-a scratch-a*
@Daniel_Coffman
@Daniel_Coffman 5 лет назад
@@toropazzoide Yeah, sorry I didn't think about that stereotypical Italian accent bit, lol.
@toropazzoide
@toropazzoide 5 лет назад
@@Daniel_Coffman no problem, I'm italian, I'm glad to fix this kind of stuff :)
@axeltibbling4382
@axeltibbling4382 5 лет назад
But isn't it so that the ropes attached to the man/woman in question and the horse have slack first, so the horse could build up speed, and effectively aplying a much greater force on the body when the rope is straightened? Still, the point you are making is, with this in mind, very valid. Big fan
@SpookyGhostIsHere
@SpookyGhostIsHere 5 лет назад
The tendon ultimate tensile strength is in megapascals which is measured as a force over an area. I might be wrong, but I’m pretty sure there isn’t a full square meter of tendons in Mario’s arms... so that 70 (some people say it’s between 50 and 100) megapascals should probably be reduced to the amount of tendons in the average set of arms. This goes for the skin, muscles and bones too.
@becausescience
@becausescience 5 лет назад
If you watch the video, you see that I use 0.005m^2. So *nowhere near* a full square meter. Anyway if you divide the force by the area you get N/m^2 regardless so you can compare the values -- kH
@scruffy2854
@scruffy2854 5 лет назад
I have a thought, given Mario's jumping ability, apparent strength and the fact that small wings on a hat are able to provide enough lift to allow Mario to fly, might we be able to assume that whatever world the Mushroom Kingdom exists in, has a lower gravity than our own? this would mean that much less force would be needed to throw a giant turtle some distance. ( and may also help explain the floating landmasses and geometry )
@DrThemo
@DrThemo 5 лет назад
Yeah, but his running would look different if that were the case, right? Like it'd be more floaty?
@scruffy2854
@scruffy2854 5 лет назад
@@DrThemo that's a good thought. Id not considered that
@fryzeec9054
@fryzeec9054 5 лет назад
Mario would need some INSANE grip strength.
@brendangarrett7163
@brendangarrett7163 5 лет назад
There is a point of failure not mentioned in the episode which is the grip strength that Mario would require to hold onto bowers tail. This would further be complicated further because the diameter of bowers tail is so large in comparison to the size of Mario's hands, which would increases the difficulty to keep a grip. As well as the fact that Bowser's tail tapers toward Mario, which also makes it harder to keep a grip on an object. The texture and composition of Bowser's skin would also play a part in this is increasing or decreasing the friction to Mario's hands. This does bring up an interesting thought where Mario's grip could be strong enough to partially deform Bowser's tail, which may negate some of the tapering issue.
@punkerguy805
@punkerguy805 5 лет назад
Thanks Kyle! Fun fact, Browser is a Kappa. An ancient Japanese turtle demon, Who originally had bowls of water on their heads, they're weakness was if you bowed before them, they would have to bow back. Causing all the water in their bowl to fall out. This would greatly weaken the Kappa. Thus we get BOWser. :)
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