2021 Genesis G80 2.5t Review: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-K7PT2d88nxA.html And correction at the 35 second mark, I said 2021 but obviously meant 2022. My brain 🧠 took a dump sorry.
Per Kia: Kia Motors America has made no official announcement regarding discontinuing the Kia Stinger. We will share more news when/if appropriate. ^RM
Picked up a GT2 AWD last April and still enjoy watchin' all these review vids despite owning one. Yours is one of the best of the bunch...I like your enthusiasm and apt description of the car on every level. Aside from its exterior looks and great performance I'm also impressed with the 750W 15spkr Harmon/Kardon sound system. It's an improvement on the Infinity system I had in my 2011 Optima EX. Heated and air-conditioned seats. Adaptive cruise control, lane sensors...all the toys and gadgets. Rain-sensing wipers, swivel headlights with auto-sensing hi/lo beam, auto-dimming rearview mirror...the list goes on and on. I've owned a lot of vehicles over the years - and this one without a doubt sits at the top of my favorites. Gets lots of looks and compliments.
Kevin I finally pulled the trigger and made it happen I bought the 2022 KIA STINGER GT2 AWD RED INTERIOR LAST WEEKEND WOO Hoo I am in the Stinger Community. Now all the videos u did on it years ago have came full circle for me.
@@MeynMotorGroup all of that is coming and on order including tune. Getting Tint and CERAMIC Coating soon after I add a Stingerhaus bodykit. To be tuned.... until next time See ya Kevin
These look a lot nicer in person, one of the cars that no matter how high quality the rendering is, they will always look better in person. To me, it really resembled an Audi, specifically the A7. You see one coming in the distance and you will definitely think it is an Audi. They sit quite low as well, quite hunched and wide. I think a lot of "non car" people will be shocked if they see the previous models with the KIA badge on such a car with presence. Gives it a somewhat "sleeper" status. Obviously more regular joe car people will know this vehicle definitely has the grunt and performance similar to that of an Audi / BMW
It doesn't look like an A7. It truly looks like an original Optima just lower and sleeker. The Genesis G80 in profile looks more like an A7 but the detailing is way different.
@@benjaminsmith2287 It has the hunch of the A7. In person from a far, it is easy to mistake it for an Audi. The front end maybe it does look like an Optima, but shape wise this car is closer to the A7
It was designed by a guy from Audi, and engineered by a guy from BMW (M Sport division), so no surprise about the looks comparison. We bought a 2022 GT2 and it's AWESOME! It feels like a BMW (We also own a 2021 BMW M550i). It's sad most people are scared off by the Kia badge...we'll just own one of the last models sold. 😎
That is true, this vehicle gets so much attention it’s insane. Every gas station or restaurant I walk in to, someone comments on it. I JB4 tuned mine with some simple bolt ons and HKS racing plugs to support , she pulls like a champ! Stock feels really conservative and she has a lot of hidden potential 🐝💨💨
Enjoyed watching this review, especially since I subcribed way back 3 years ago, when you did videos on your own black Stinger GT, I still own my 2018 Stinger GT, here in Australia. 🇦🇺
Excellent review. I keep saying it, when all things considered, performance, driving experience, standard equipment, price and warranty, there is nothing close to this dream machine. I am biased, I love mine.
@@impropernovice2149 The G70 is also a brilliant car. If I didn't have the Stinger, I would have seriously thought about the G70. Affectively the same car but cosmetically different. Hope you get yours soon. Got mine washed yesterday and the chap spent 10 minutes talking about it before starting on it. People love looking at them and talking about them.
Hey! That car is the whole reason I subscribed to your channel. I didn't think it was 100% on the decision to terminate Stinger production yet. I know it was close though. Unless something has changed. Still love that car. Also like your LC more. No contest.
Hey thanks and I really appreciate all the support you've showed me over the years. Yea I'm def sad to see it go such a cool car with a ton of potential
Man, Kia been killing it the last few years with their aesthetic appeal. I agree they did a great job with the new logo. Even though it's not your channel's cup of tea, I've really been digging the look of the Telluride. Just wish it was a little more in my cheap ass price range, lol. Thanks man for the video. The Stinger is quite the car. Hope Kia changes their mind about killing it.
@@SilentKnight43 Oh man, that would be a sweet upgrade from the Sorento. Hopefully she decides to go for it. Would make for a great looking pair of cars.
I have a 2021 Stinger GT1 RWD in Ceramic Silver with red interior. Can confirm iris an attention magnet. I think this will eventually be a cult classic like the Supra.
I cross shopped the Stinger GT1 with a Civic Type R. 2019 with about 20k miles, they are nearly equal in price. The Stinger is better in almost every way as a fun and comfortable daily driver. The only significant things the Type R has over the Stinger is the handling and the 6 speed manual. Aside from that, you get so much more value from the Stinger, it's insane. Not to mention the badass 100k mile power train warranty. The Stinger is such an insane used car value proposition, and no one is talking about it, it's actually crazy.
just fyi.., the hyundai/kia 100k warranty is specifically only for the original owner, unless CPO. Used car buyers default to the 5yr/60k mile warranty
Kia's after-market dealer service has always been poor. We've owned 6 Kia models over the years and service at two separate local dealers has, basically sucked. It's been bad to the point it nearly dissuaded me from recently buying a Stinger. I did anyways, simply because I love the car. But Kia needs to step up their service game.
This will be a hot car in the used market. Nobody is buying it because the price is close to performance luxury cars. But this car used will depreciate and people will buy it and love it
you confirmed it. I'm getting one, but used. it will be one of must haves in my garage along with the Elantra N. I want the LC 500 you got brother. I rely on your reviews the most and appreciated u. Let me buy you a beer if you ever come out to cali.
For a car that "doesn't sell well" they're everywhere in Virginia. Kia is foolish to think this could take many sells from the Charger or Euro compact sedans. It takes time crack that shrinking segment. Bottom Line: I chose the Stinger over the G70 because of the cargo space
I bought the Stinger here in Oz because it looks far better and is about $20K cheaper here. Cosmetic differences, almost a hatchback, longer warranty and so much cheaper. Not a difficult decision in the end.
@@timw2083 Hi Tim, they do in Western Australia, Queensland and the Northern Territory here in Oz. Not sure why they don't use them in other states as they use BMW 5 series. The ones that do use them apparently love them.
i've ordered this, it will be my first car at age 28 as i've been riding motorcycles so far. Gonna take a few months until i get my hands on this beauty but man i am hyped. Test rode it once when i first started looking for cars and i never wanted to test any other cars after this one. I knew this is it
I got the 2022 Ascot Green GT Elite w/ Suede Fully Loaded. It's an absolute dream and a pleasure to drive that car, the interior quality is relative to that of high end Mercedes and audis with Alcantara leather places everywhere 😇
I did my part... I bought a new GT1 two weeks ago. What a fantastic car. I agree the handling can be a little sloppy, but the detonator under your right foot is so addictive lmao. A manual is the only thing missing.
Another dynamite review Kevin, Kia has some good stuff going on, I have not seen one live but they look great. Sounds like a great car to buy second hand or lease.
The stinger is a great car , most people hate on this car only because its a kia , but then fail to realize it was designed and engineered by the germans , and this car doesn’t sell as well because people are such brand snobs they rather drive a a base 3 series that has no where near the performance or features because of how the badge makes you look The stinger gets so much attention tho id say its better than the badge tbh When you consider what the stinger competes against its priced well enough to capture some of the market who want 4 doors and awd and the performance. And evidence proves that the stinger is actually pretty well built and basically bulletproof with components plus it has a long warranty to cover your back.
Great review! Man! I’m really contemplating if I should pull the trigger on this or wait a bit more, if the market will drop for these prices. Love this vehicle.
Thank you my friend! If you can get a good lease deal or incentives like $5k off msrp I think it might be worth looking into. Also check out the G70 and incentives on that as well
Great review esp. relative to your previous Stinger ownership and review of other vehicles in between! I still have my 2019 GTS-DAWD and plan to keep it longer than had planned to. It has the "punchy" acceleration feel compared to my '13 Boxster S (enjoyed your review of that too). Stinger in Federation Orange is quite unique imo. Keep those reviews coming!
@@MeynMotorGroup no lmfao I have a Honda Clarity for the time being. Car is a total shitbox but it's cheap to run it so that was the plan. HUGE downgrade from a Stinger. Kick myself about it at least a few times a week. But I picked up a job that's farther away from my house. And with the Stinger being like 19MPG and needing 93, my wallet told me I should probably get out of this thing while the used car market is so high. My buyout was $27K and change, and I managed to sell it for $33K. Idk what I'd be paying in gas now. I sold my baby back in March. And back then, working both jobs, I was spending like $260-300 a month just on gas for the thing. No way was that making sense to me. Not on top of my already high monthly payment
You did great good time to sell car prices and fuel costs are just nuts right now so better to just save for a bit and buy later maybe a dedicated sports car. I just told another gentleman to get a Miata it's fun and relatively cheap to own
@@cordinate81 fuck that. I'm not a Scotty Kilmer. I want my car to be able to do MORE than just turn on everyday, which is basically all this Honda is good for. I yearn for a smooth drive and a nice sound system again. Lol. That's literally all I'd need to be happy. And instead I've got what I got. Despite it being a 2018 and a top trim level and basically an EV... It's horrible vs. a Stinger. It might as well be a car from 2009
Great review Kevin as always, even though I am a Lexus guy, I hate to see the Stinger leaving the market.. I think a lot of people like this car, and I am one of them, Kia did an amazing job with this car as far as styling and driving dynamics, but they missed on the pricing and marketing aspects.
Some information on the Stinger from South Korea from someone in the Kia Sohari No one plant in South Korea they said that top down Management have not said anything of the Stinger been discontinued and the rumors started in the West.
@@impropernovice2149 i live in Europe were we dont get Genesis yet and infiniti never sold in my country as well but i already seen a q50 in spain were they sold it and that car looked alien on this roads .I believe genesis wants to get into the european market and let me tell you when they release those cars here ,people going to fking flip cuz all we see here is mercs and bimmers and when they see bentley like cars walking in they aint going to be ready.Lexus is also stupid rare here ,i live in Portugal btw
@@MeynMotorGroup Thanks, the Stinger GT model has been my dream car since college so I got a good-paying job in IT and now I can afford the dream. I bought the car before dealers started going crazy because of the chip shortage. Honestly owning one still feels surreal.
I wanted this for my daily driver but couldn’t justify 55K for my daily and already owning a 2021 BMW M5 Competition for the weekend and so one. I bought a 2020 Maxima platinum Certified with 3K miles before Chip shortage for 30K which is my daily driver. Again, wish I could get the 2022 GT2 for 10K less at 45K. Great Review!!!!
I have a 22' KIA Stinger GT2 Scorpion Edition 🦂 with Ceramic Silver Paint. It's JB4 Tuned. Injen Cold Air Intake. The Lit Kit Velossa Tech Air Duct System(Really Cool)HKS Performance Spark Plugs, Ark grip catback exhaust system and the Ark Downpipes(Crazy)Dragy App and system.(Cool)
The Stinger might not sell as well as they would like it in North America, but in Korea it's doing great! There are two problems for markets outside Korea: a lack of marketing for this particular model in the Kia line-up, and stupid badge snobs who still think they're living in 1990. Kia will still make a 2023 model year for this car, fortunately.
Great review as always! I was hoping to hear your thoughts on any improvements since owning your Stinger. Oh and come on, literally all of those other "euro" cars are and feel faster to 60 and in general (M340i, S4, S5). The Stinger is no slouch though.
Thanks! Yea Improvements weren't crazy but it's cool though. The Euro cars especially the latest ones def have low 0-60 times but what I was trying to explain was those cars have such a rigid chassis, you don't feel the speed nor the feeling that you're getting pushed back into the seat, too solid for those weight transfer feels. Stinger has a sloppy chassis but the benefit of that is you feel the speed and you feel the braking all the G forces are felt but that's not good for handling so gotta pick and choose what you want
Gotcha! Thanks Kevin. Oh and your comparison drive a few years back between your Stinger and that dude's S4 was one of the reasons I bought an S4. Then I bought an S5...then an RS5 and now waiting on a 2022 RS5 Sportback lol.
@@chrisburry8147 S5 is maybe a tenth or 2 of a second faster, doesn't have as good of a warranty, has a smaller back seat and is more expensive. Only reason anyone would buy the s5 over the stinger is the need for a status car. Period.
I love my Hichroma Red 2021 Kia Stinger GT. Love how people pull up next to me and compliment me on the car. You know it’s a beautiful car when even an old lady tells me how beautiful the car looks 🤣
Haha 😄 with a little editing and a tan right but nope just me I don't put nearly enough effort into my video making as be does 😅 he's does some amazing stuff
The rumors for it being cut off has happened every year... like the same exact rumor 2-3 years in a row... why would Kia do a refreshment with an new motor and kill it? Makes no sense right? Its like their tactic of BMW with the LCI concept. This is probably the LAST year of the current gen design, introducing a new motor on the base model and styling upgrades. It could very well be a tactic to "preview" or "tease" a second gen.
To answer what Kia has done, they underrated the power of the Stinger. They're actually making around 400 at the crank. With some stock Stingers hitting as high as 350 at the wheel
@@Normalguy7100 true. I'm an ex kia owner. Had a Sorento sx and an optima. Both brand new Were decent cars fully loaded, but always wondered why didn't I just shell out extra for an Acura or a 4runner. I'm now exclusively Toyota/Lexus and don't regret 1 bit switching over. Even tho my Sequoia limited dosent have all the features my Sorento had, I'm 10000000% happier with the driving experience.
Such as shame we are losing this fabulous car, the only thing I could pick is the front could be a little more aggressive looking but it's subjective. Being from the old school I always like the big power trains and RWD and KIAhave absolutely nailed the interior. Again love the sideways look for those nasty boys with flashing lights before booting it. The suspension is tuned for Australian roads and they have done a great job you can really hit those winding roads hard or it's really compliant on long drives. Great look at this fantastic tourer really enjoyed your take on it. If I was in the market for this type of vehicle I'd buy it, damn hard to go past the LC though! Cheers Brenton 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
as a Kia owner I like the Car and I think about it to buy one but unfortunately the Car is very expensive in Germany, not only the price of the Car also the Tax every year is high and the Insurance is very expensive + gas is very expensive in Germany too. Thanks Kevin.
Yea hard to justify many cars in Germany due to the tax and insurance you mentioned. Mercedes E classes and up are probably my most favorite driving Euro cars but those are also pretty expensive
Kevin I'm surprised you didn't mention your personal ownership experience or link to your very early videos about it that practically started your channel.
@@David-vg8ou If there was a car like this around $40k, it would be the only car I'd try to go after right now. I do hope you enjoy your Stinger though because it looks amazing.
I’ve read that there are two big issues with the Stinger. #1- crappy paint job. #2- oil leaks transmission seals. I’d like to but a Stinger, but worried about KIA QC. I tend to keep my cars until they wear out. LOL.
I believe the main issues with the Kia Stinger is the price, I believe the cost in the US ranges between $59,000 to $68,000. In Australia the cost is much more depending on the exchange rate. I love to buy a 2022 Stinger GT but can't afford one. Drop the price = more sales and save the car from distinction.
@@MeynMotorGroup thank you for the correction, wasn't sure of US pricing. However in Australia, depending on the echange rate, the vehicle costs are higher. Currently 1 Australian dollar is sliding between 72.7 to 73.2 cents per US$1.. The Kia Stinger GT is used in many Australian states as interceptors vehicles 🚔 especially in country area where highways go forever. Make you day a great one👍
Well used cars are just over priced right now so buying new just makes sense. But you have to learn how to negotiate. Right now I know you can get close to 10% off MSRP on CX-5s before incentives. See the Leasehackr forum to see which cars can be had for the best deals and for tips on negotiating.
I want to get one but I'm not sure about the dealership experience and I feel like it's rather boat like but I shall see what the next Gen type R will look like before I get a Stinger
I feel like I'm being nitpicky, but I test drove an Stinger and just thought it was too tight on the inside for me. I wish they made this the size of the Arteon so that you could fit a family. Either way, I wish more people bought this and Kia had time to continue working on this.
is this year a must or previous years will do? i'm in no rush and want the best performance and it seems 2022 has a big gap in performance vs prior year models.
That’s crazy right? If you look at the U.S. annual sales the Stinger has out sold the G70 every year. One would think based on the data the G70 would get the axe. Are you going to upgrade your Stinger to the ‘22 MY? Also the articles I’ve read said the 2023 is the last model year not 2022.
IMO It comes down to cost and branding, they are taking r&d dollars equivalent to an m4 or m5 and putting it in a practical budget brand, when you have genesis, the stinger will stay alive through the g70 with that they can better justify the costs of development through vehicle pricing...I predict the stringer will thrive on the used market though
Trust me they didn't use THAT many r&d dollars they slapped this thing together its no where near on the same level of driving dynamics as the Euro cars just has a great motor and lots of practicality
A week ago Saturday I decided to pull the trigger on a GT2 Scorpion Edition (AWD) and am glad I did; this car is so amazing and while the flaws in this car become glaringly obvious because overall the car is so amazing, with the 2022 it's a matter of quibbling over levels of perfection. If you want a sports sedan (or really a sportback since strictly speaking this isn't a saloon) definitely consider the Stinger. I waffled between this, the M340i xDrive, and Audi S4 Prestige, but ultimately went Stinger because it feels small and nimble like my 9-3 did, but grips and pulls far better, and the interior finish is _better_ than the Bimmer, on par with the Audi. Plus, it feels more connected to the road in terms of feedback, which is something both BMW and Audi lost their way on. And, as an added bonus, the GT2's sport seats comes with ventilation. With both BMW and Audi, you're forced to pick one or the other. Plus, the styling is gorgeous and the paint quality is very, very good.
@@MeynMotorGroup Thank you. And Kia/Hyundai, if you're reading this, you know based on my constant feedback to you that I've been critical of the car, and 2022 addressed most of my complaints. You owe it to yourselves to do multiple things: 1. Keep the model going and Advertise the crap out of it 2. Come out with an M/RS-level trim (GT3?) with 450-475whp, and include /all/ the toys including a drift mode, and get it into the hands of traditional car rags 3. Get the GT2 into rental fleets as a premium option, and encourage rental companies to offer it as free upgrades This car is a legit competitor to BMW and Audi as is, but it needs exposure. In the one week I've had it, I've had multiple Audi drivers park near my car wait for me outside of stores to ask me about the car and how it drives, and I tell them how connected to the road it is (BMW and Audi lost that connectedness with the electrically-driven steering), that it is every bit as quick in real world driving but is just lacking the brutal edge of acceleration so it's deceiving because it's less abrupt on the butt dyno. I wasn't convinced on the Stinger until I finally test drove a GT1. If it had been in a rental fleet or if I had been able to rent one for a weekend from a Kia dealer, I'd have likely tried it sooner, and would have bought it many months earlier. It drives so well I might have even overlooked the lack of UVO Link and the infotainment flaws in the pre-refresh model. Additional note for Kia: I bought the GT2 sight unseen (in a color I don't even like), based on my experience in the GT1 which I drove on a loop through three towns including freeway, twisty roads, and pothole-plagued roads (I live in Maine). I knew based on the experience, with its matching what my C4-era ZR1 does, I would be happy with the GT2 as a starting point. You _really_ need to get this vehicle into rental car fleets so it gets some serious exposure. Don't give up on the model because with proper marketing, this car will eat more of the BMW/Audi/Merc and entry-level Porsche market share - you just need to get enthusiasts to TRY it. I also compared to Alfa Romeo's Giulia... and short of the Quadrifolglio which is not in my budget (at that price point I'd go Z51 Corvette and forgo all practicality), the Stinger is better in absolute terms as well as bang-for-the-buck. Also I almost walked away and waited for BMW to sort out their supply chain issues, because of your crappy dealer network (namely, Crowley Kia in Bristol, CT - may their general manager rot in he-doublehockeysticks)
@@sabbathoneseveneight8643 The same: Ceramic Silver with AWD, and I was going to have puddle lights installed but that night was delighted to discover it came with the puddle nights. Posting in case Kia/Hyundai are reading this: I initially didn't care for the color in photos so before it arrived I turned it down, and had put a deposit down on a black one at Crowley Kia, but on the day I wanted to seal the deal those f--ks at Crawley Kia screwed me over and would not sell me the car, the G.M. telling me "If you're talking to other dealers I'm not going to sell you a car." I told him "I've been open about talking to multiple dealers trying to source a black or blue GT2 because of the shortage from the very beginning" he said "Nah, you're just tire kicking, so I'm not going to sell you ANY car and am going to refund you your deposit." I should have walked when the salesman (who was a nice Polish guy who deserves a better employer) informed me that the car was unavailable to see Sunday because the owner's son took it out for the weekend. crowleykia-sucks.com/ I changed my mind about the Ceramic Silver a few days later when I saw a C8 in a very similar shade and thought "I could live with Ceramic Silver" - after all I bought a ZR1 Corvette in black, when I wanted a blue one, and ended up loving it. I called Bill Dodge back and asked if the car was spoken with, I'd be happy getting into any GT2 that isn't red (I wanted to get my purchase in before COVID causes further shutdowns and shortages) and fortunately it was available so I put $1,000 down over the phone to reserve it then the car came in weeks earlier than expected, and so I started on the financing, and then it got in three days before expected so I cut a trip short and went straight to the bank and then home to pick the car up immediately. I put more than 140 miles on it the first day. Bill Dodge were EXCELLENT throughout; they helped me source a car, and even encouraged me to shop around because other dealerships who were boldly advertising "market adjustment markups" and had GT2s (and Tellurides!) sitting unsold, were not swapping cars with other dealers. Oh and those GT2s with the $10,000 and $6,000 markups? They're sitting unsold. Kia, you really need to tear up Dan O'Brien's franchise agreements as well as Crawley's. Kia/Hyundai, your problems are not your products, but your Kia dealers. If they knew how to treat upscale customers and enthusiasts, and knew how to market upscale cars, you'd have been moving a lot more Stingers and K900s. I almost didn't consider one because of the nameplate.
