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WOW! Riverstone Fifth Wheel RVs. WHY they have NO FRAME FLEX! 

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@garyp3008
@garyp3008 Месяц назад
Nick is a great ambassador for the Riverstone brand and comes off as being one of the most honest factory representatives I've seen in awhile. He also is very respectful of the design and engineering practices used by other manufacturers. After decades of working in a vehicle sales industry, I've witnessed multiple sales representatives whose primary emphasis is to constantly criticize the competition but yet they can't really explain the meat/potatoes of the product they are selling. That is extremely annoying! The RV industry could certainly benefit from more guys like Nick!
@BigTruckBigRV
@BigTruckBigRV Месяц назад
Nick is certainly very honest and transparent about everything.
@RV-ER-ze8gk
@RV-ER-ze8gk 27 дней назад
That’s what I’ve been screaming at all these other videos, through bolts not lag bolts for a product that moves down the road. Bravo Riverstone !
@mikealexanderEE
@mikealexanderEE Месяц назад
Perhaps you should have titled this "Why they have NO FRAME FLEX ISSUES!" Everything flexes - diamonds, cars, solid blocks of steel - but the key is managing that flex and it looks like Riverstone is doing a great job of that. This is, quite frankly, how all RVs should be built but I understand that the market has demanded low-weight, high-volume trailers that can be towed by the smallest truck possible. That's why part of "the problem" is educating buyers, of which I think you're doing a great job.
@RoadieWingZZ
@RoadieWingZZ Месяц назад
Came to post the same comments. As an engineer, I can say unequivocally that their frames DO flex and it’s by design. Anyone saying or believing otherwise is a fool. It’s all about management of the flex, not eliminating it.
@edwardschoolcraft2958
@edwardschoolcraft2958 Месяц назад
That's quite the RV structurally. Hats off to Forest river if they're still the manufacturer.
@BigTruckBigRV
@BigTruckBigRV Месяц назад
They are the parent company of Riverstone. The key takeaway here, regarding that relationship, is that it really is up to the specific manufacturer how they want to engineer their units.
@HetteshWorld
@HetteshWorld Месяц назад
Love that Riverstone wall construction that's why we bought ours. Nick does a great job.
@dangibsonakadisasterdan7050
@dangibsonakadisasterdan7050 27 дней назад
Man, this is great! Very in depth and informative!! Thanks for the time and effort you put into the videos you share with us all here on youtube!! And, thank you to Nick at riverstone also!! Very honest and respectful!! Seems like a really great person!
@BigTruckBigRV
@BigTruckBigRV 27 дней назад
Thank you! Nick is a very nice person for sure.
@dah_ditdit_dahdah
@dah_ditdit_dahdah Месяц назад
I don't make river stone money, but I do have a cedar Creek. Was interesting to hear them model things after cedar Creek. I haven't seen any cedar creeks with frame flex online yet, have you ever done a factory tour there?
@steventownsend6539
@steventownsend6539 24 дня назад
We have a 2018 Jayco Seneca that had Schwintek and had it repaired 3 times. Not side to side issues, it was top to bottom issues. Two years ago we were introduced to Vroom and had it replaced. No more problems. If I had the choice on a build, it would be Vroom.
@brucedeleskey8540
@brucedeleskey8540 24 дня назад
This is high end quality in a big toy haller it's basically a trailer truck which a big price tag
@gcslade
@gcslade Месяц назад
JD, Great video! I love how Riverstone has designed their frames specific to a floorplan and uses a thick and highly reinforced hung wall. Good to see a manufacturer that truly understands the importance of frame and wall structure integrity - it gives my hope this is quality in some parts of the RV industry.
@BigfootDadExploresMontana
@BigfootDadExploresMontana Месяц назад
Ah, ha!! That's what I wanted to see: carriage bolts attaching the walls to the frame. Great structural integrity displayed throughout this video.
@connietomgiordano7756
@connietomgiordano7756 28 дней назад
Thanks again JD
@ImBaraQiel
@ImBaraQiel Месяц назад
Great info! I love it. I think DRV do the same.
@iana36s
@iana36s Месяц назад
Great to see fiberglass roofs are being looked at
@bubba1948a
@bubba1948a Месяц назад
Now you need to show a DRV video next. Their frame is also not going to flex.
@PawelSikorski-gz8ff
@PawelSikorski-gz8ff Месяц назад
JD, there was a mention of Cedar Creek construction in this video. Cedar Creek looks like more budget friendly compared to Riverstone. How does it compare quality wise? Also, could you make a video about Cedar Creek and make a comparison to the leading manufacturers?
@danielcolantuono9824
@danielcolantuono9824 Месяц назад
Another great video that side wall looks great
@joedonbaker1673
@joedonbaker1673 Месяц назад
I am very impressed by Riverstone. I hope they add smaller 5th wheels to their lineup. Im looking in the 30-35ft range. 👍
@RV_Enthusiest
@RV_Enthusiest 26 дней назад
Stayed tuned...
@Kevin-midmichigan
@Kevin-midmichigan Месяц назад
You better atleast get a dinner,, Thanks for the honest review and very informative info. Now if I can just find a riverstone toyhauler in the budget. Lol.
@TDub_ADV
@TDub_ADV Месяц назад
This shows what i have been saying in comments for a long time. A hung wall is soooooo much better than a laminated wall and there are only two that i know of that are hung and attached like this, Riverstone and DRV. The lag screws that other manufacturers use on laminated walls are simply not near as good an attachment method as the carriage bolts that they use on a hung wall. There is another difference in these walls that make DRV stand out to me and that is a vapor barrier that they put between the studs and the interior wall. Condensation is an non issue in a DRV….
@BigTruckBigRV
@BigTruckBigRV Месяц назад
Cedar Creek also uses this technology. Only on a 2-in thick wall
@brianlykins6663
@brianlykins6663 Месяц назад
J.D., very good video so far. It certsinly appears you have started with one of the top of the line manufacturers. Explaining things the way that he is, to me makes perfect sense. This narrative supports what I've stated previously. If they build these rigs, from the get-go, to eliminate problems before they even happen, hence the stronger, heavier frames, more solid thicker walls, I know we haven't gotten to the roof yet, but the cat's already out of the bag. With an eye on quality, dependability, and building correct without overall rig weight being a determining factor will drive the price up over basically an inferior rig. And as a consumer, if I can be convinced as they are doing now, why this rigs cost more, and why I will have to go for a bigger truck to safely tow and support this rig, then I would be satisfied. I really appreciate you bringing this information to us, and appreciate them opening the doors to you. Will be eagerly awaiting the remainder of the videos on this building process. God bless y'all for what you are doing. Stay safe on your travels.
@timothyculliver1993
@timothyculliver1993 Месяц назад
Great information, thanks for doing this research on their units.
@azavisha
@azavisha Месяц назад
JD, I’d love to see a similar review of General Coach Canada travel trailer factory. Especially how Roughneck trailers are built.
@no-_-limits
@no-_-limits Месяц назад
Good stuff
@Premier-Media-Group
@Premier-Media-Group Месяц назад
Thank you for doing these videos!
@gcflower99
@gcflower99 29 дней назад
The fly on Nick was an industrial spy drone from Keystone...trying to figure out what they can do better!!
@kenhelmers2603
@kenhelmers2603 Месяц назад
Luv this series!
@williamprice9642
@williamprice9642 Месяц назад
Thanks JD! You and Nick have reinforced our decision for buying a 2023 Riverstone 41rl. 👍
@rainbowplumbingheatinginc.5697
@rainbowplumbingheatinginc.5697 Месяц назад
JD grade video ,great content. great product ,one of your best videos yet. we own a Rockwood looking to buy a Cedar Creek, but I would definitely consider a Riverstone
@marvs4321
@marvs4321 Месяц назад
JD, once again you REALLY need to visit Outdoors RV in OR as they make their own frames very similar to what you see here with Riverstone. And likewise that is why their RV’s are heavier than others. Also, you need to take a look at the VROOM slideout system from AZ. They are a much beefier Schwintek-like type of mechanism that many RVers, especially those that drive Motorhomes have been switching to. Personally, I’ve always felt that Schwintek slide outs should NOT be used on the larger and heavier slideouts, those that are wide, slide out a large distance, and have heavy weight (like Fridges, etc) on them.
@BigTruckBigRV
@BigTruckBigRV Месяц назад
I'm a fan of ORV for sure. I recently made a video though showing that the welds and splatter in some cases are worse than what you see on Lippert products. I guess everyone brand has room to improve.
@gregmonhollen4327
@gregmonhollen4327 Месяц назад
I was thinking about getting a momentum 336 but I’m gonna look at these campers a lot better quality it looks like
@bubba1948a
@bubba1948a Месяц назад
No comparison
@Itsa_Mea
@Itsa_Mea Месяц назад
Momentum 366?? Never heard of it. I don't believe that even exists.
@gregmonhollen4327
@gregmonhollen4327 Месяц назад
@@Itsa_Mea correction 336
@Itsa_Mea
@Itsa_Mea Месяц назад
@@gregmonhollen4327 ok copy. I think your comparison is about $30,000 difference in price so I'd hope the Riverstone is better quality.
@thechroniclesofmaintenance4192
@thechroniclesofmaintenance4192 Месяц назад
Roof issues? I know a guy (nod nod wink wink) who purchased a brand new toy hauler that developed delamination at the top rear sidewall corners into year two. That guy religiously checks his sealant for integrity and that roof was no exception, sealants looked good. Trying to find the cause of the delamination, that guy removed the corner trim pieces on the roof. This revealed the roof membrane was cut short by nearly 2” leaving bare wood across the rear of the roof that was covered with Dicor. The manufacturer stated that if it was a manufacturing error, and was confirmed as such by an authorized dealer, they would cover the cost of repairs. I was given a list of authorized dealers and took it to one on the list. It was confirmed it was a manufacturing defect backed by photos. The manufacturer then told me to take a hike, they were not going to fix anything. I also had to pay the dealer for his time. Sorry chump.
@jeff67mustang
@jeff67mustang Месяц назад
JD great video and info but,...That horizontal wall carriage bolt and nut and washer should be a metal lock nut (not the nylon lock nuts, maybe they are) used back at the thicker steel wall not all the way thru to thinner black steel wall. Look at 6:44 on your video. It will be stronger and save money, shorter bolt atleast 2" shorter. ....I Hope Riverstone has documentation drawings for wall sections on construction available on assembly line at hand in case the line supervisor is off one day.
@marvs4321
@marvs4321 Месяц назад
JD, I think the BIG QUESTION that everyone would like answered is this, “Does EVERY manufacturer specify to Lippert how they want their frames built, OR does Lippert build standard length frames that they sell to multiple RV manufacturers?”. Maybe it’s both… They will ‘custom’ build frames for someone as well as selling ‘standard’ frames to others. This question goes to the heart of the matter of ‘flex’ and frame design matching the floorplan. One would think that the frame design of a rear kitchen RV can be different than one for mid-kitchen design. Also water and waste tank location is not only frame dependent but also impacts slideout location. Please address these things as well.
@BigTruckBigRV
@BigTruckBigRV Месяц назад
Every frame that they build is specifically manufactured to the floor plan, weight, distribution, and GVWR The RV manufacturer specifies. This is because there are always subtle differences between slide out placement, furniture, and cabinet placement, and holding tanks. This is what I was told by Lippert.
@RichardQuaid
@RichardQuaid Месяц назад
That sure is a lot of weight to haul. I hope you have some experience hauling if you're thinking about going this big. Just my opinion. I retired to get away from that kind of responsibility. I've hauled a lot of heavy equipment around, but heavy billboards are a bit different. I like the use of aluminum where they can. Nice unit, too big for me though.
@RescueDiver805
@RescueDiver805 Месяц назад
Aluminum is a conductor of heat and cold. Wood is an insulator. All that aluminum would affect the temperature in the RV.
@walterrafolski5662
@walterrafolski5662 Месяц назад
JD, ask if the Gen-y gooseneck is okay to use on the Riverstone Legacy 39RKFB please.
@douglasbradford1639
@douglasbradford1639 27 дней назад
I have not seen any information on the pinbox issues and their thoughts on what to use. also the trailer hitch in the back . what do they recommend on towing capacities.
@bobconner422
@bobconner422 Месяц назад
No frame flex; it will break !
@ranterbul
@ranterbul Месяц назад
Engineering 101. If it doesn't flex it will break.
@hoppy6663
@hoppy6663 23 дня назад
Ask him about expectations of mileage per year on these fifth wheels , can we take these campers across the continent and back in a few months than do it again in 6 months!
@stevetami1
@stevetami1 Месяц назад
I’m no engineer but the carriage bolt at 3:10 would tend to maintain its torque if it nut/washers were against the more solid beam section instead of terminating and fastening all the way to the much thinner angle iron piece??
@jeff67mustang
@jeff67mustang Месяц назад
Amen brother, I noticed that too. That washer and nut should be a metal lock nut (not the nylon lock nuts, trash) used back at the thicker steel wall. Look at 6:44 video time. It will be stronger and save money, shorter bolt atleast 2" shorter. I'm a mechanical draftsman since 1980 working in engineering department where my draftsman skills later in years was less with more design or R&D, tooling, estimating cost for new products new customer business for sales department. I didn't work in sales thank god, those guys will say anything. Sales manager and I always butted heads. You know you doing good when the customers engineers call you first on possible engineering changes to their parts instead of sales. They knew how sales would BS them.
@markraber4419
@markraber4419 25 дней назад
He specified that it is a steel split lock washer, not nylon.
@kennesbitt4722
@kennesbitt4722 Месяц назад
the problem of frame flex starts at where and how the pin box is mounted
@brianchen3093
@brianchen3093 23 дня назад
Thanks for sharing. I'm surprised how poorly RV are engineered for the price they are asking for. Commodity aluminum channel over tighten with lumber insert?! Once the channel is crashed, it will no longer preload the fastner. As I always, if cars are built this way, we all be buying a new car every three years.
@markk171
@markk171 Месяц назад
Question, so they stuff wood inside the wall frame to get a better "bite"...I get it. However, if water can get into that wood and rot the wood, then the entire superstructure can be compromised...correct? That said, why use wood...why not using something else that is more resistant to rot? I have no idea what that might be, but you would think at such a critical point in the structure, they would use something less affected by water/rot?
@BigTruckBigRV
@BigTruckBigRV Месяц назад
If properly designed, water should never get into those tubes.
@markk171
@markk171 Месяц назад
@@BigTruckBigRV and yet it does...so why not address it? You said yourself in one of your vids that water intrusion into the side walls can cause the superstructure to fail and lead to frame failure. So why not work to prevent it?
@lizahipolito4422
@lizahipolito4422 Месяц назад
Do they make smaller rigs like 36-38 ft 5th wheels? I looked online and could only find 40ft plus.
@RV_Enthusiest
@RV_Enthusiest 26 дней назад
Rumor they are currently working on 34-35 FT floorplan
@xenomethean9304
@xenomethean9304 Месяц назад
Are they building an Rv or a house.
@jbwilliams7058
@jbwilliams7058 Месяц назад
Vroom vs Schwintek and True Topper vs noisy and problematic slide toppers. If I had all the money in the world, that’s the way I would go.
@nymustang5084
@nymustang5084 Месяц назад
Are we going to see you sell your current unit and buy a Riverstone?
@BigTruckBigRV
@BigTruckBigRV Месяц назад
Unlikely.. we love them, but can't afford them
@carlsteiner8041
@carlsteiner8041 Месяц назад
Great series. Less JD, more of who is being interviewed. 🙂
@BigTruckBigRV
@BigTruckBigRV Месяц назад
I'm always telling him the same thing.... Wait...
@clmeycar500
@clmeycar500 Месяц назад
Why don't they simply allow the heads of the bolts to be exposed on the outside of the wall allowing them to be accessible for maintenance or replacement. Even if it requires a backing plate.
@jasonlarsen3515
@jasonlarsen3515 Месяц назад
Why would you need to unbolt it?
@user-kh2kt1oj8m
@user-kh2kt1oj8m Месяц назад
JD go to Luxe assembly line please
@BigTruckBigRV
@BigTruckBigRV Месяц назад
I already have.. just have to search it
@davemac521
@davemac521 Месяц назад
Sidewall aluminum frame is corner screwed, not welded. RVs vibrate as they travel. Glue joints and screws work loose. Welding is more permanent. I will not purchase any side wall with framing glued and screwed. Sorry, I find hung walls to be of lesser quality and more prone to structural failure.
@garyag45
@garyag45 24 дня назад
🤛👍🙏😎🦅🇺🇸
@BrianM853
@BrianM853 Месяц назад
All their models are WAY to big (long) and heavy for my needs. Will they ever do shorter models?
@RV_Enthusiest
@RV_Enthusiest Месяц назад
I heard a rumor from a rep they are working on a shorter 34-35' floorplan
@richardbelisle4807
@richardbelisle4807 5 дней назад
Hands down blows grand design away
@williamlight6165
@williamlight6165 Месяц назад
RU-vid has a lot of riverstone 5th wheel with frame flex
@BigTruckBigRV
@BigTruckBigRV Месяц назад
Lol you obviously don't watch the videos. Almost all are using a "frame flex" thumbnail to tell you how much they love their Riverstone...
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