WRC Tarmac Car Behaviour: EA Sports WRC vs Real Life vs DiRT Rally vs WRC Generations 

I agree. Also, the behavior when going out of hairpins in a Rally1 car feels like the power is only going to the front wheels (or the vast majority of power is going there). It's really annoying because in WRC9 and WRC10 you never had this problem.

I am actively avoiding the tarmac rally's. I wasn't able to put my finger on what was wrong. Thanks for getting that explained RBR driver of 19 years

Why you don't added DR 2.0 to comparison? It better or worst than other games in that behaviour?

I feel very excited, especially in the wrc generations when the rear of the car jumps in slow motion as if there was moon gravity.

+999 on the original Dirt Rally 1... Heck even DR2 were toned down from that... And this eaWRC even more toned down *In term oh physic and ffb

​@@JeffSSartorI agree with you. The car grips too much too suddenly. Also loses too much too suddenly. Damn frustrating

defitnely i saw some onboards and felt like it

I'm 100% with you: the dynamic response (rolling, pitching, etc) should be progressive; it should happen from the moment you start to input steering/throttle/brakes, not like a switch. This lack of progressive dynamic response makes the cars feel dull to drive, which they really shouldn't.

The EA effect

​@@richmachin6741Unfortunately you did an objective analysis. suspensions should be an integral part of a car and not a switch that activates or deactivates them. Note how the car is stopped, when starting, when you turn the steering wheel it shows no sign of moving at all, when instead it should have a very small shaking due precisely to the wheels moving. You can try it in any simulator or in reality. from here it is already clear that the suspensions, setup, are of no use in this game, they are optional and do not affect the performance of the race in the slightest. unwatchable replays, especially on asphalt (on dirt being softer you can see something moving)... unfortunately it looks like a board. Weight is another problem in EAwrc in my opinion, as in dirt 2.0. They are a bit light giving you absolute control of the vehicle even at high speeds. Instead it has an importance, especially in a change of direction. I'm sorry, all this disappoints me... it has great potential... wonderful, immersive audio, with attention to detail, which I have never heard in any simulator until now. even at low revs, the sound is a melody, when you know that in any game, even the most famous, you can always hear that initial "pitch" at low revs. It pisses me off at Codemasters because the rest leaves a lot to be desired, graphics included. I can understand the "everyone has to like it" or I'm under EA policy, but launching it as a real simulator and leaving some help for newbies would have been more interesting. And honestly in 2023 playing with Rbr again to prove what a real rally is is a little tiring

Absolutely !!! The same set of dudes is already set to thrash WRC 2024 and praise '23 when the new one comes out.

Laughs 70% throttle input glitch

@@od13166 Still a thing? I'm thinking of ditching EA WRC because of how awful it feels on tarmac, and how they also ruined RWD

@@Fucklesticks i meant WRC generations

@@od13166 imagine laughing at a problem that was already fixed a few months after release 🤡

No this is Croatia! It should be a rough road.. but it is super smooth.... That is part of the problem... but even on a smooth road the cars should exhibit a dynamic response to driver inputs; I made another video comparing the car dynamic behaviour on Assetto Corsa: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uryfUh0IgMM.html By comparison the cars in AC are very exhilerating to drive...

It's not; it only looks that way because of the lack of dynamic response of the car; that's the point of this video; the cars look and feel slow. 👍

@@richmachin6741 I see...shame really

They managed to make it different.. and still wrong! 🤣

DR2.0 has its own problems on tarmac; I don’t want to go there! 🤣🤣🤣

Stiffening the suspension should REDUCE the body roll; the point demonstrated in these videos is that the cars in EA Sports WRC don't roll already, and neither do they hop and skip over the surface (which is what they would do if they have over stiff suspension); instead they look (and feel) like they have magic self-leveling suspension 🤣

@@richmachin6741 talking stiffening for the latter lol, and I’ve found it does skip over bumps and behave exactly how expected when tuned in various ways, video doesn’t even give EA WRC the fair respect either, look up Project Sim Racing and you’ll see his car literally behaves almost identically to how you see the car behave from the onboard cams of real rally cars

No the default setups aren't making anything easy. Most RWD cars are literally snap oversteer galore on default setup.

@@Fucklesticks learn to drive then buddy

In this video I am talking about the car behaviour in terms of it’s mass-elastic modelling, or put simply; the way the various parts of the car model responds to driver inputs, meaning how it rolls, pitches, yaws and bounces as you accelerate, brake and steer. This is distinct from the car “handling” which I gather is what you mean when you say “Physics”. It’s the response of the mass-elastic model which makes the cars feel “alive” when you drive them (the roll, pitch, yaw and “bounce” are experienced even in the cockpit view) and therefore why the cars in EA Sports WRC feel dull to drive. Like everyone else; I was really looking forward to EA Sports WRC, but it has really turned out to be disappointing. What I see is a lot of people defending the game, when they really shouldn’t because it’s a step backwards in so many areas… maybe they defend it because we’ve all got so bored with the stages in DR2.0 that ANY new game is a welcome change… (By the way; I have my MSA motorsport licence and have driven every major UK circuit and Hillclimb venue, plus Spa and Nordshleife Nurburgring in cars ranging from Caterham 7 to Radical SR3; I can tell you right now that real cars do not behave like they do in EA Sports WRC, but you can see that in the video 😊). Hopefully EA /Codemasters can address this in a future version.

@@richmachin6741 well, I do not think that for example pitch is represented in cockpit view in DR as much, compared to WRC where if you brake it looks like you gonna headbang your steering wheel. Well if you driven all these circuits, You should see the handling on tarmac is more like assetto corsa, which in my opinion is best tarmac simulator, the grip on tarmac in DR is nonsense, You are just in permanent slide, that is not realistic at all, WRC is big upgrade in this area.

@@richmachin6741 have you checked your settings in WRC? Because I feel exact opposite to you, DR cars are more "stale" compared to WRC

Neither DR2 or EA WRC has gotten tarmac physics right. They're opposite ends of the spectrum, Tarmac in DR felt like gravel, tarmac in EA WRC is like a light switch. You either are glued to the road or you're understeering off the mountain, no inbetween. Whereas it should be varying levels of grip based on suspension load, aerodynamics, tire wear and compound. Its not an on or off thing and thats what EA WRC makes it feel like.

@@RG-ql3fd Just for you I made a second video showing the car behaviour in Assetto Corsa vs EA Sports WRC: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uryfUh0IgMM.html you can see that the cars in AC are much more 'dynamic' than in EA Sports WRC. For me driving in AC (and the other games in this video) is a lot more exhilarating than EA Sports WRC, which feels dull by comparison, because of this dynamic response.

Presumably you can agree that the dynamic behaviour of the car; the way it rolls, pitches, yaws and bounces, is not very realistic though? It’s plain to see in the video.

you need to check your eyes. Do you not see the difference in suspension action?

@@Kortex_Racing Suspension action differs depending on how stiff the cars are set up and how much downforce there is.

@@azarisLP even high downforce cars have some suspension movement as they turn, brake and accelerate. As an example look at 1:19 in this video.. the Puma WRC1 is showing very obvious weight transfer effects!

@@richmachin6741 Body roll/pitch is not the same as weight transfer. Weight transfer is invisible, it always happens regardless of how stiff the suspension is. The suspension is working in EA WRC, there's just less roll/pitch because the cars aren't setup to be slop fests by default. Try increasing the ride height and you will see the cars become sloppy and start to roll and pitch a lot more.

@@azarisLP I know that... that's why I call it a weight transfer "effect"... because the EFFECT of weight transfer is that it causes the suspension to compress and extend, hence the chassis rolls and pitches... the example I have given in the video (e.g at 1:19) shows that modern Rally cars in Tarmac spec do not have super rigid suspension... and if they did they would hop and skip more over bumps.. the cars in EA Sports WRC neither roll and pitch, nor hop and skip they just glide over surfaces... honestly just try something like Assetto Corsa and you'll see that the car dynamics in EA Sports WRC are really very bad, and nothing like reality. But look, if you enjoy the game, that's great, for me, as someone who holds an MSA licence and has driven cars on track from Caterham 7 to Radicals SR3, plus 2WD and 4WD rally cars, it's disappointing how unrealistic it feels. I had high hopes for the WRC licence when I heard it was going to Codemasters... 😞

The thing is; even if it is more "arcade" than we might have hoped they still could have made the dynamic behaviour better: they made the behaviour less realistic AND less fun!