WTF is AVC? - 12K 3D Printers Are Irrelevant - Resin Printer Video for Beginners Comparing K Metrics

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This video is a bit more long-form than usual, If you are a regular viewer, maybe skip to about 00:07:00 - (though I hope you will watch it all anyway to help boost the video and allow it to reach and help more people) But many of you have seen me make this same point over and over in all of my printer review videos. And I've promised for a while that I'd stop repeating myself and make this separate video for the beginners. And now, in future videos I don't need to talk about 2k, 4k, 8k, 9k, 12k, 14k etc being misleading marketing terms anymore YAY! - I can just refer people here, which allows me to spend more time in reviews focusing on a printers features and the results it delivers.
TLDW, please stop comparing printers by their K metric, that measures the screen resolution, not the print quality - we nee something new, please can we call use AVC instead.
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@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

@terricon4 4 месяца назад

Way too damn long... way to slow actually explaining the key point, and you spread it out so far most people will have forgotten your starting arguments for part A by the time you finish actually covering part B. Video could have been more informative, and not even five minutes long. I'd recommend you do less... ranting... on future videos meant to inform people. For information, and not just random entertainment, the length works against people and their attention spans or ability to focus. And ya, when it takes several minutes to realize yes you're just trying to mention the same obvious thing I figured this video might be about within two seconds of reading the title... talk about wasted time. If you want to spread this out to get more views and new people to the channel... not the right way to do it I'd say... Hit the touchy titles and clickbait ok... but focus on the point without wasting everyones time.

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

@@terricon4 I hear you, and my comment above is my attempt at damage control for earlier comments saying the same. I:ve even had some independent friends watch it now who have echoed what you have said so the message is heard loud and clear. What I do find odd is that when I check the stats on this video. It has higher engagement and a longer watch time than any other video I've put out in the last 6 months, which is crazy. It has more subscribers per view too. So whilst I do hear you, and take the feedback onboard, I will cut the waffle in future videos. The video itself is really resonating with a good group of people. and i believe it's likely the beginners who the video was aimed at who want this kind of buy info, as many other comments have suggested. I did go into this with an intentional slow burn intro, bit to drag it out, but so that people new to all this had time to digest the info I'm putting forward. I get that the first several minutes are the same point 3 different ways. That was intentional. I realised it was dragging and then instead of just moving on, apologised to my existing viewers for it happening. No idea if that helped or made it worse. It's all good feedback that will lead to better videos in future.

@Aztechnology. 4 месяца назад

I always use the analogy of grains of sand on a beach. Because any display device is about pixel density as you point out. Not pixels in general. It’s why buying a TV for 4k for instance only starts making sense at a certain size/viewing distance. You have to get close enough for it to matter/you to see the individual grains of sand. Just a helpful analogy for laymen

@WonkoTSane 4 месяца назад

All of the new printers are going to be 12k. The people over at Concepts3D told us last week that they 8k LCD panels that they and everyone else have been using have been discontinued. They are working to purchase enough of the remaining stock to cover warranties, etc. I opted for the 12k Athena more as a future proofing than anything. It comes with the cable and board that will be required to drive higher resolution displays and the concept behind the Athena is to have a fairly generic platform that can be upgraded over time.

@calmckellan6643 4 месяца назад

Oh 'K' ur 'screwed' with the bigger the build volume the less quality output with same screen resolution. 'Bolt' of inspiration compare 'bolt and nut' benchies (benchmark) a simple visual of smallest working bolt and nut that resin printer can produce. This would be a direct comparison. So a postage stamp sized resin build area/screen would be very small jewelry sized bolt ( or smaller) and a drydock sized build area/screen would be a massive oil tanker size bolt. Scaling would be logarithmic or exponential. Sticker on side of printer with its bolt benchy quick visual comparison.

@Freddis 4 месяца назад

Wow, that's quite extraordinary ability to put "When consider resolution you need to consider size of build plate" into 20 minute long video.

@Whoopsie00 4 месяца назад

As much as I really love the points of the video, it does feel like the first 10 minutes couldve been 1 minute addressing the title, it just felt a bit like waffling. After the 10 minute mark it gets more helpful and informative - retention will be interesting for this one!

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Fair enough, I hear you

@johnnyjoseph1389 4 месяца назад

And as long as we're giving constructive criticism if you are going to waffle on recycling the same three or four stock clips throughout it makes it even less interesting to watch.

@prototype3a 4 месяца назад

This video is 1000% runtime padding.

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

@@johnnyjoseph1389yep, thanks, heard you the first time

@xXIamJAEXx 4 месяца назад

the majority of his videos are waffle tbf

@RodrigoVasques 4 месяца назад

Sorry man, but this was too much click bate for little information. It took the video 6 minutes too even begin talking about the point being made.

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

@testboga5991 4 месяца назад

I liked it despite having 3 printers and starting with the original Photon years ago. If manufacturers would stop using "K", this video would be just clickbait, but they aren't! But I disagree with the AVC standard. What brands need to do is to specify an actual printing resolution in terms of lines/mm at a defined z-aspect ratio. They can then even sell the resin they used to measure it. The point is, that a printer with 24 um pixels may perform much better than one with 17 um because it has better contrast ratio in the resin, which is determined by a number of optical factors.

@lanzer22 Месяц назад

I think the point is to make a video that he can point to and say "watch this" irregardless of whether you're up to date with the latest news or if you're brand new to this. I don't think this video was meant for people like you and me who can agree to a standard in 30 seconds.

@TheAndrian463 4 месяца назад

Yup fully agree on the use of the AVC metric for any type of resin printer. The fun part will be when comparing a DLP printer with an AVC of 51micron against a 22micron AVC LCD resin printer where the difference is pretty much negligible but the technology is different.

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Yeah, agreed, but that's the bit where I did the car analogy with Horsepower/KG,. It's only ever going to be a raw number, you still need reviewers to dissect it before making a decision. - but its's a better more comparable baseline between printer sizes than K.

@michaelstrecker3130 18 часов назад

Hi, Its me again, the guy who thought differently about a board game I never played. Loved your response, i giggled. I am enjoying your frankness and sarcasm in your videos. I am learn heaps and getting a lot of useful info from your videos. Soon I will check out some painting ones too.

@FauxHammer 17 часов назад

Glad you enjoyed it! I really appreciate you understand sarcasm! it will help a lot on my channel

@grimoirworkshop6623 4 месяца назад

That minimal z step is really needed and hard to find characteristic. Also would be nice to know what are software constraints on z travel speed.

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Yep, I’ve been begging brands for this info in literally every review. And they never tell me.

@TheSpectralFX Месяц назад

Man, I am so glad this is one of the first video I've been recommended as I started looking a 3D printers. This saved me so much time lol.

@crispy_338 4 месяца назад

Makes inflammatory statement, gets inflammatory responses….What did you expect to happen? Just tell people the point instead of baiting clicks and over-explaining something simple like relative pixel density and size.

@kaminkatzewildcat6211 4 месяца назад

I hear you! Yet, what I noticed is the following my LCD and my DLP have the exact same AVC of 50µm, the quality of the DLP is way better. I mean, you can dry brush a mini printed on the DLP without seeing ANY lines. We probably need to have something for DLP as well. In the 2d world this would refer to pixel-images and vector images, I guess. What do you think?

@jeffscott3186 4 месяца назад

I haven't used a DLP, but I suspect it has to do with DLP being a consistent light source across the entire print area while individual LEDs in the LCD screen can be brighter or darker than the median. LCDs lose more power to the glass than a DLP as well, which could be a problem in itself as well as degrading the variations within the LCD further.

@JerryBWagoner 2 месяца назад

I'm only a couple weeks into this hobby, but it's been quite the learning experience thus far. I really enjoy your content and appreciate all the passion you put into it. My entry machine was a Photon 4k, but I find this topic really helpful as I'm already pondering what I want my next printer to be.

@AsimPaints 4 месяца назад

I have a 4K printer (the Phrozen Sonic Mighty 4K) and I'm curious just how much of a difference in visible quality there is between the 8K and 12K machines of similar size.

@pariahzero 4 месяца назад

Here's something to think about: My Mars 4 DLP is a "2K" printer. It has a Voxel size of 51 or 52 µm (depending on who you ask... I figure there's probably a decimal point being rounded, and I don't really care). Your Frozen Sonic Mighty 4K *also* has a 52 µm Voxel size. You have *double* the K, but are going to have _literally the same print quality_. So, with that eyeball calibration out of the way: I've spent a *lot* of time staring at prints under magnification, with various AA settings, from many slicers. If you're young, and have good eyesight (or glasses), and the prints are unpainted, and have a resin that shows off contrast well: you can see differences if you pick it up and examine them closely. If you're older (eyesight starts to go *fast* above 40), or if the prints are painted, or if the resin doesn't show contrast well (transparent or white resin, for example), or the prints are more than 30 cm away - then it's unlikely you'll be able to see anything. Keep in mind: An _expertly applied_ spray coat of primer alone is going to be 20 µm thick. Expertly applied paints are likely going to add another 100 µm of additional thickness. That's a _lot_ of, well, "self-leveling filler." to smooth out any voxel blockiness.

@dwwolf4636 4 месяца назад

The print size is generally larger with similar voxel dimensions.

@JewelerAR 4 месяца назад

stupid: it's just so you read and realize that sometimes it's not so you read it but so you realize it's true. Printers are not made for your world of stupidity. They were created with the purpose of being able to physically extract things that are virtual and not only that but they can be converted to metal in a foundry, for example jewelry, where precision is the detail and microns are worth gold, it is not your case, you are only playing to test printers and act important, the microns of a printer are worth at casting levels since it leaves a smooth surface where it takes little time to finish it perfectly, above The 30 microns are already problematic, that is, stop giving opinions from a chair complaining about the lack of pleasure in your useless life and leave the microns to those who really care, those who work and have access to economical and super precise printers ( this for the useless video creator)

@emilcost8613 4 месяца назад

I'm always amazed in how much work you put into your videos. Excellent presentation.

@seivmuva 4 месяца назад

This is the best and only PRO-CONSUMER video I have ever watched... Thanks 🙌

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Wow, that’s incredible feedback, thanks

@RathOX 4 месяца назад

basically you want the lowest µm value for x and y for the build volume you want

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

largest value of xy or z

@RathOX 4 месяца назад

@@FauxHammer so you want the higher the micron?

@DeshmaStars 4 месяца назад

Incredibly helpful information! Anyone looking to buy a resin printer should watch this video before making a decision. Thank you Fauxhammer!

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Thanks so much

@pariahzero 4 месяца назад

FOR THE ALGORITHM! I have a DLP printer. It has a 51 µm voxel size. That's the only number I've ever used, personally. If you get *good* atomization,, you can airbrush (or rattle can) primer down around 8-30 µm (when it's dry). Think about it, folks. Even when dry, a coat of primer is roughly half a voxel at my printer's 51 µm voxel size. If you aren't so lucky, the blobs of primer coming from the spray can will be many times bigger than the 51 µm voxels by my printer produces. With the highest-resolution printers available, the _best priming job possible_ is going to add an inconsistent and (relatively) sloppy layer on top of the sharp layer the printer creates. If you're _painting_ your minis, we're fast approaching the point where there's no point in resolution improvements. That's not to say there can't be improvements - the Apple Vision Pro, for example, has LCD's with pixels in the 8 µm range. I imagine it'll be a while before they can be produced at the size of a Sonic 8Ks mini or Mars printer. I agree with @FauxHammer: Use voxel size in µm, but I'd demand the eccentricity from being a perfect square.

@jasonwolfe7301 4 месяца назад

Thank you for the time and effort you have dedicated to this. I appreciate the information provided, especially as I am new to this process.

@polishkid1820 4 месяца назад

Great video. Thanks for always sharing your opinion! Just ordered my first bottle of Wargammer resin. Excited to try it out!

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Hope you enjoy it!

@dionysuscsw9405 4 месяца назад

Looking forward to it being available in the states.

@polishkid1820 4 месяца назад

@dionysuscsw9405 you can order it for the states now. That's where I'm at

@darrylkerbow7948 3 месяца назад

Thank you for the round up at the end. I am shopping for a new printer since my move, and this sealed the deal.

@FlesHBoX 4 месяца назад

Just to be pedantic here (and give you some tasty "engagement"), your engine size example does have one flaw. Maximum possible power output of a combustion engine is in direct relation to the engine volume. Assuming that the engine builders were both seeking max power output, the larger engine will be more powerful. It would have probably been a better comparison to say that comparing two cars performance purely on their horsepower is irrelevant because that truck with 800hp and 1200 ftlbs of torque is also 3-4 times heavier than the 250hp / 185 ftlbs hatchback

@ozfunghi 4 месяца назад

Was thinking the same. Best would have been to compare same capacity engines, but one in a sportscar and one in a van. Which will go faster (print quality) vs which can move all your furniture to your new place the fastest (print size).

@tmilker 4 месяца назад

That's why I have a 14K printer. 😛

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

14k is also irrelevant. ;)

@tmilker 4 месяца назад

@@FauxHammer Yeah but bigger numbers!! I do want to know what magic causes the rectangular pixels not to stretch/distort prints.

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

@@tmilker lol

@shanenelson8402 4 месяца назад

I understood this before seeing this video. But you touched on a point I never thought of. On a large printer Is there even atcualy any point printing a .02 layer height when the it's only giving you 43um X 43um. Should we just be printing .04 layer height and speed up the print now that is has much less layers. I atcualy just noticed the standard profile for the M3 max is .05mm layer height

@Iron-Arms 4 месяца назад

I was looking for a 12K but now i know what to look for, thanks!

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Brilliant, so you understand now it's not about K it;s about the pixel size! You are the reason I made this, and it;s made my day that i can help you. But honestly, right now, some of the best detail printers are the 12k ones. like the Saturn 3.

@stevenewman8429 4 месяца назад

Really interesting and insightful. Been printing about fours years and learned something new. Thanks

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Glad it was helpful!

@xacbolay 4 месяца назад

This is a great thing for the community, thanks!

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Glad you think so!

@isidoro.revenant 4 месяца назад

Very, very didactic video. In these times of fast video and ultra-consumption, sincerity is greatly appreciated. Thank you very much and I'm sorry for my English

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Thanks, English was spot on, no need to apologise

@joeljenkins7092 4 месяца назад

I am grateful for your videos. The explanations, definitions, and experience are tremendously beneficial. They have helped me avoid the marketing traps, and I sincerely appreciate it. Keep up the great work!

@parbackstrom7595 4 месяца назад

informative and making a good point, fun also seeing the parade of printed models, makes me want to print some myself 🙂

@IndustrialFaith Месяц назад

I've been debating getting into the hobby, and well, that answered quite a few questions. Even some I didn't know I'd have. Thanks!

@carconper 4 месяца назад

Beautifully explained. Very useful for me as a newcomer to the 3D printing industry. And love the proposal of using AVC

@nicholassmith5206 4 месяца назад

Absolutely loving the Father ted thumbnail. Probably my favourite bit of that program. Also.....nice video... as always 😅😅

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Thanks a ton. I was hoping that people would like thT

@Immolate62 4 месяца назад

In your opinion, what is the AVC beyond which diminishing return makes further refinement irrelevant?

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

I think i did the math on this recently, I think around 18um is where you can get 2x magnificattion without seeing a difference in horizontal pixles

@AsimPaints 4 месяца назад

@@FauxHammer Seems like current resin 3D printers are quickly approaching that level of detail, at least the small ones are. In a couple years I imagine resolution will become pretty standardized across the board so we can get over having to deal with +2K per iteration every 6 months lol.

@WARPAINTandUnicorns 4 месяца назад

@@FauxHammer thanks for this number there, a lot of us are trying to get the clearest smoothes print out of clear resin and knowing where we can stop worrying about surface "frosting" or texture would warp the light on smooth planes it good to keep in mind. 💙

@bazzatron9482 4 месяца назад

Totally agree with what you're saying here, and the last 5 minutes of this video discussing community feedback was really great. The "boring tech talk" is really why I clicked on a video discussing the relevance of a fairly esoteric measurement. Wholly believe, however, that it doesnt take over 20 minutes to get this information across - BUT I understand you need watch time for the algo (hence this comment). I felt that you spent a lot of time repeating yourself, which nearly lost me a few times. I look forward to this being the spearhead of a movement to redfine how we measure the specs of these machines (at least until we get true SLA printers in the home market with infinite XY accuracy - or at least 405nm² x 20um voxels haha), and I hope enthusiasts can prevail in the face of less than scrupulous overseas manufacturers. Thanks for your time and for really considering all fronts of this. I'm in the market for a new printer - so I think its high time I sent requests out for this data...!

@NicolaiVE 4 месяца назад

Very good points. I'm looking to get into hobby printing and love the fact that I'm now better informed thanks to you ;)

@TheAurgelmir 4 месяца назад

I have a question: Isn't the resin used going to affect the achievable layer thickness as well? So the AVC, if it is in the height direction, would only be a measure of the resolution of height that the actual mechanical apparatus can achieve - right?

@Zunip182 4 месяца назад

Just got my three month mark for black forge games. Thank you for showing me them.

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Glad you’re enjoying them, they are great!!!

@travisphelps8983 4 месяца назад

I fdm print now. Really enjoy the builds. I have been looking at resin and think this video answered questions I had about the machines. Thank you 👍 from me.

@Nadel666 4 месяца назад

I waited so long time for this video. Thank You so much for explaining whats going on (=

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Hope you enjoyed it!

@BirnieMac1 3 месяца назад

Ive been looking at getting into resin and am glad to hear this; the seeming resolution creep had been a reason I’d held off I’d thought 12k didn’t look much better than 8k but hadn’t looked into it yet, but am glad to know to look out specifically for the pixel size - makes the comparison a lot easier

@printitpaintit.2436 3 месяца назад

Fantastic video! I've been trying to explain this to clients for YEARS now I'm just going to send them a link to this video.. When you print across multiple printers this becomes quite obvious but that's why I use different printers for different models but the M3 MAX prints are almost identical to the Jupiter as long as you dial in the resin!

@ScytheNoire 4 месяца назад

I'm all for this, and it will be up to reviewers to start using this as the way to compare printers in reviews. Viewers should start asking what the AVC/XY Resolution is, both to manufacturers and reviewers. Build Volume (XYZ), XY Resolution (µm), and light source technology are what really matter to me, along with the quality of life features (heated vat, auto-refill, build quality, quietness, networking, etc). You'll notice some manufacturers (AnyCubic) don't put the XY Resolution on their large volume printers because the XY Resolution isn't sexy enough for marketing and betrays the entire K rating system. Huge difference between 8K 13.6" and 8K 9.1" screen.

@GenesisMoss 4 месяца назад

Whats the AVC for the GK2?

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

29um

@Chewy2754 4 месяца назад

Got a new subscriber because of the explanation. Good work.

@ddu6043 4 месяца назад

Completely agree and thanks for explaining that. Always wondered why the bigger printers had a reduced print quality. I have seen comparisons of 4K 8k and 12k for printed models and really doesn’t seem to a big difference particularly since the layer heights are the same and that is a big measure for me as to how visible these are.

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Glad it was helpful!

@mekko1413 4 месяца назад

great job hope it takes hold.

@BuckFu 4 месяца назад

I understand the premise of the video and the information presented. I think you’ll get more views getting straight to the point. I will say I saw the short you were talking about but never watched it because the thumbnail was of Opie from sons of anarchy and I just couldn’t get into that show. I think a term more relevant to laymen would help the industry. I think it should be ranged in dpi, it would be instantly recognized and understandable. Period. LxW dpi is close enough for me.

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Please give Sons another chance, It's Shakespere on Motorbikes

@NitroModelsAndComics 4 месяца назад

I am in the market for my first This was a HUGE help and I thank you I think...

@bmoney7909 4 месяца назад

I bought the saturn 2 because it was in my budget and you spoke well of it. Thanks for the information

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Hope you enjoy it! it;s a fantastic printer

@owenwhite333 4 месяца назад

This makes sense, thank you👍

@jeffjackson4465 4 месяца назад

Ok, using your terminology (which I agree with), is there a printer with a 12" - 15" screen with a 20 - 24 AVC?

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Thanks, and no, not yet, we are all waiting for one.

@jeffjackson4465 4 месяца назад

@FauxHammer Darn.. is there a 10" with a 19 - 24 AVC? I'm honestly lost on how many printers there are and the capabilities.

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

@@jeffjackson4465 yes, all current 12k printers are 10” 19x24um pixels. Making the AVC 24um

@jeffjackson4465 4 месяца назад

@@FauxHammer Phrozen Mighty has a "14k" 10.1 inch screen. 16 × 24 microns..for $999.00 at pre-order launch.

@aaronbono4688 4 месяца назад

I was always skeptical about how the number of k of a screen was related to the pixel density. Thanks for the thorough clarity on this.

@heath64 11 дней назад

Currently researching my next 3D printer, as i want to print larger resin models, this was really useful.

@choschiba 4 месяца назад

Thank you SO MUCH! Voxels all the way. Thank you so much for putting this video out there. You have said it so much better than I could have ever had. 👌🏼

@gentiligiuliano7882 4 месяца назад

It would be useful a table with AVC resolution for all available resin printers (or at least for all ones you review)

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Already done, In all the reviews, I just called it pixel size before.

@magicalmuthafuka2026 4 месяца назад

So im new to the hobby and looking at my first printer. Torn between a cheaper smaller mars 4 and the Saturn 3 budget isnt the issue between the two torn between getting the smaller models which should do everything i need but might need upgrading later and the saturn which might be my one stop shop that will carry me through my whole career any tips or experiences welcome

@AustinLindstrom 4 месяца назад

What are you printing and why?

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

To be honest, despite the AVC being better on the Mars 4. the Saturn 3 is the sharper and more detailed printer.

@magicalmuthafuka2026 4 месяца назад

Ive been a dungeon master for almost a year ive been using roll20 but am making the switch to minis. So not jusr charater models but scenery like trees tables barrles rocks ect

@SW-lw6mt 2 месяца назад

That's a great explanation. Does a printer's wavelength make a difference?

@macestarwalk2736 4 месяца назад

Thanks for another great vid. 👍

@walterstarr1588 4 месяца назад

Thank you for this!

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Thanks for watching

@gedion4000 4 месяца назад

This involves the inverse square law. In other words if you keep the pixel count the same, but double the size of the screen, it now takes up 4 times the area. Twice as wide and twice as long = 4 times the area. So this makes perfect sense.

@muskysam 4 месяца назад

Great video and I totally agree they need to standardize the way they advertise the printers. Makes shopping for a new one hard for everyone when you have to use a spreadsheet to compare printers.

@thorstenfischer2672 4 месяца назад

Very good content. Perfect. 👍

@APWPaint 4 месяца назад

Holy crap! this was GREAT, now I get it. Thanks, Faux Hammer!

@rongray8416 4 месяца назад

Got to say this was my first vid by you I watched and like the rest already pointed out once you got past the waffle waffle stage, and got to the point is when I got really interested as I been putting off getting a printer till I get my new home and move. Thank goodness I put it off as I'd been in line with the K equals better right? crowd.. Now better informed I'll do more digging on printers and keep my eye on the used car salesmanship (upselling a potentially huge pile of garbage as a diamond) of printer makers. So thanks for that going to watch some of your other vids now and subbed😁😁🙃😁😁

@mikeH260 4 месяца назад

I already had a 4K resin printer and decided to buy a 12K but before it came I saw your video about resolutions and ended up sending it back and got a Bambu Labs X1 carbon which I feel was probably a much better choice. Thanks for the info

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

lol, that’s a jump.

@chrisuddin9760 4 месяца назад

I'm a newby to resin printing and sometimes find things difficult to understand but I understud and agreed with everything that you said because you explained it in simple terms so from what I've seen of the new sonic mighty revo 14K which looks good and I was thinking of buying as my starter printer as it look simple to use it won't mean anything unless the pixels are equal both ways and are at the value they should be!, I'll be very interested to know what you think about this new printer in a review and see if it's same old, same old, with a new coat on?, many thanks for the video, see you on the next one!.

@michaelspaw9955 4 месяца назад

Thanks for making this one, It would be a great step in the right direction for the manufactures to adopt. +1

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Glad you think so!

@MyLonewolf25 4 месяца назад

Pixel density matters not pixel count/thread

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

nope. Voxel Density. Pixel density onmy means... actually, i;m not going to explain here what my video just explained.

@Gregatron13 4 месяца назад

I need all the Ks and all the speed!! Also my minivan in high school had a 6.5L engine 😂

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Must have been the best minivan

@Gregatron13 4 месяца назад

@@FauxHammer It was gold, making it easy to find in any parking lot 😎

@thrrax 4 месяца назад

When did they make Tenjin bust and mini?

@JakeJaramillo-oc6hb 4 месяца назад

what the file name of the demon with wings that you sometimes show and where can i get itTY

@HardCoil 4 месяца назад

Thank you, this is driving me nuts

@daleburgess6223 4 месяца назад

So, TDLR; Much like how fast a car can be is not determined by power but by power/weight, printer sharpness is not determined by pixel count but by pixel count / how small those pixels are. Is that a half decent understanding?

@joergsonnenberger6836 4 месяца назад

Jupp, compare DPI, not physical resolution.

@johnmedany9294 4 месяца назад

@@joergsonnenberger6836 well no - as the point of the video says DPI is just X/Y resolution - Layer Hight / Z axis needs to be included hence the move to tward actual voxal

@trademarkdesigns 4 месяца назад

Thanks for hammering this info for people. If you think about voxels as 3d cubes (which they are), your example of 22x22x20 vs 43x43x40, the latter is worse than twice as large - it's 8 times as large. The voxels are twice as wide, twice as deep, and twice as tall.

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

fair point...

@jeremyhoney9084 4 месяца назад

Love it. I've been with you about the silliness of the K designation from the beginning. As for the AVC, you need a few of the other RU-vidrs to start using it. That should help a ton.

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Thanks, I’ll try to get more people onboard

@abbofun9022 4 месяца назад

Dear FauxHammer, think it would help if you could publish the AVC for all the known printers. A simple spreadsheet should do. Apologies if you already have that, then I simply was too thick to find it.

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Not a bad idea, I’ve said it in all videos, just never called it AvC before

@Lumpsack Месяц назад

I totally agree and was going to suggest this - if the sheet (or webpage) were commonly adopted then it would help both people and companies understand whats needed of them.

@pointandshootvideo 4 месяца назад

What model are you showing at 15:15? I want that!! Thanks!

@mash3d67 4 месяца назад

Good idea but how would it be tested to make sure the manufacters are doing what they are advertising? Or, to be cynical, how can marketing manipulate AVC to thier own advantage? One test I have been doing is finding out what is the smallest hole size that can be printed without obstruction and still be dimensionally accurate. This can be easily measured by the guage of wire that can be passed through it.

@Pesso86 4 месяца назад

You could have gotten to the point sooner, but it’d say you have been very clear. The metric they should use is pixel size or pixel density, not an absolute number with no reference. It’s a pretty straightforward concept, I think

@sebastianstegmiller8562 4 месяца назад

Very informative Video - I've looked many of your Videos before I made my decision to buy a new Resin printer. Finally I went for a Saturn 3 - Not because of the "12k" - but the combinition of building area und the aprox. 24 micron pixelsize. Unfortunately the comparison with the commonly know "k" as a indicator of resolution the manufactures use leads us - the users - often in a "wrong" (I only mean in the expectation of the quality we will get) way - but in fact it is a way of Advertisement like in many other products. The more important is to get the neutral information - and therefore your videos are a big help respectively source to get a better overview. Thanks from germany

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Danke

@kneipe.nterrorist 24 дня назад

I love this video. Even I watched it to late. But now, I learned much more about 3D Resin Priting. :) Thank you, FauxHammer. :) Please dont give up on our stupidity. :D I wish to learn more.

@Just_An_Idea_For_Consideration Месяц назад

QUESTION: Are there any large volume printers, that maintain the smaller voxels (22um x 22 xm x 20um)? If yes, please list them, or how to find them? I would like to purchase one with a larger print volume, but with the smaller/smallest voxels. thx

@FauxHammer Месяц назад

No, there aren’t.. yet

@3dpathfinder 4 месяца назад

I really like my Halot Mage 8k, The details are fantastic, I cant really see how going up could be better. At most Id just want a larger build plate. Now to be honest , Ive never used any other resin printer . I only have my Halot Mage

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Yeah, that’s 8k, it’s really not that much better at all. And in some cases worse

@chrisbalko4063 4 месяца назад

I just clicked the video as I am just starting resin. I have a FDM, and won a resin printer. I don't think mine has a "K" sticker on it. Everything you stated is however very very true as the "K" metrics don't apply when as a user I can set the layer height. I went ahead and subbed as I can see the learning potential of your channel. Thank you.

@michaelthiel1173 2 месяца назад

Hey @FauxHammer, nice video. One thing that I still find worth to mention; the AVC of the DLP printers in the axial direction is not equal to the step height you set at the printer but is determined by the dose and the material absorption constant. I guess for a lot of resins that are not pitch black this value is >20µm. And that would be the AVC in my opinion. So it is even more complicated as it is material dependent.

@FauxHammer 2 месяца назад

That's more true with LCD than DLP. but I'm not trying to enforce brands to determine the actual printed voxel. I just want to help define clear marketing terms in contrast to the BS currently spouted. I'm still working on helping people understand Exposure vs base exposure, if i ocvercomplicate videos with how pixels are formed. i'll loose my audience in a snooze fest quite rapidly

@LAwizard 4 месяца назад

The impression this gives off is that resolution doesn’t matter. It does with regards to screen size. Brands should just make the micron count more obvious. Also I’d rather see more printers with vat heaters and residue detection than perfectly square voxels.

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Yeah, that was the point

@keez5671 4 месяца назад

Thank you for the work you put into this. I wholeheartedly support the push for AVC. As an engineer I already know the grief marketing dept. can cause when it comes to accuracy and relevancy of their claims in marketing. Leaving a comment for the algorithm. Edit: Please release Wargamer resin in Norway, I want to test it out

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Thanks, and we are working on EU next. Just about to do US.

@ygg1967 4 месяца назад

Thank you for your video. I am new to the hobby and am currently looking for my first printer. I really thought the K meant something. Thanks for opening my eyes!

@sillyshark9000 4 месяца назад

I did three months of research before I ever bought my resin printer for around $300 bucks, and I don't remember if it was your video or somebody else's that inspired me to look for the average foxhole size but when I did purchase mine I made sure that it was a 24 maximum and the printer itself is the creality hallett mega

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Glad you understood this. But if you night that printer, it wasn’t from my review ;)

@jasoncompton5280 4 месяца назад

Why aren’t we just saying pixel size? That’s basically what a voxel is. Great video btw

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Thanks, because Voxel is the output rendered on the mode. the pixel is the output of a printer component. I'm also considering a future where LCD's have sub 10 Micron pixels, but the z-axis is stuck in increments of 10 Microns.

@jasoncompton5280 4 месяца назад

It’s true a voxel isn’t a pixel, but rather the slightly larger result of the projection. But people might start to understand the bigger picture better. (Pixel size vrs “K” metric is still a major improvement.) I also understand that the way the light is manipulated changes voxel size, but I’m talking marketing not technical specs. I honestly hadn’t thought about z axis not keeping up! Regardless, good on you to raise community awareness!

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

@@jasoncompton5280 thanks mate, I am doing what i can.

@damionmanuel9625 4 месяца назад

@@FauxHammer It's only stuck there because the manufacturers limit the software to only move the z-axis in 10 micron steps. I'm not sure what the limits of stepper motors are, and I'm sure that's the biggest factor, but the printer software can be changed if the manufacturers want to go smaller.

@AlienRelics 4 месяца назад

This reminds me of the confusion with 2D printers over image PPI vs printer DPI, vs pixel size and pixel resolution, and compared to camera resolution. Complicating this is that a 1440dpi printer is not capable of printing a 1440ppi image, because an inkjet printer can only print in ink droplets. Most of fixed droplet size, some can print a small range of droplet sizes. But in the end, the visibly smooth image is made of a pattern of approximately 240ppi printed as a stochastic (semirandom) fixed droplet sizes of between 4 and 8 ink colors.

@khylheffenan8266 4 месяца назад

Thank you, FauxHammer. A very useful video.

@seayeo 4 месяца назад

Any thumbnail that works Father Ted in is automatically thumbnail gold!

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

haha, I was considering removing that to make it clearer, but had so many comments about it already - it stays, I may actually make it bigger!

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

I was considering removing it, but had so much praise for it before it;s even gone live - I may make it bigger!

@viewerguy97 4 месяца назад

the fact that the industry gets away with "total pixels" rather than "pixels per inch" is ridiculous.

@haukke 4 месяца назад

Firstly that makes sense. Secondly that is how i thought it should always have worked. My question since i am kind of new is there a mathmatical formula for figuring out the AVC? Thank you excellent video.

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

AVC is the largest side of a single printable voxel. To work out z, it;s the minimum step distance, for X&Y it's Screen axis in mm devided by number of pixels on same axis

@haukke 4 месяца назад

@@FauxHammer Thank you.......as i am new i tried to follow your example. I have a mars 4 and was trying to figure out the AVC.

@criminal__8615 4 месяца назад

i wish manufacturers would make a 20 x 20 x 20 micron printer using whatever size build plate they want but have it always to those values, with a flip top lid or doors, a vat that is heated, 7 inch screen with great UI, force sensing, sensible attachments as in build plate/vat, wifi/ethernet, inbuilt 4k camera, power switches and usb ports in their proper place, auto resin filler /drain, without any mess, several vent holes left right and top so you have a choice with printer position all at a reasonable price, so all up give me a build plate that can easily fit a mando helmut on it in one piece, and a wash and cure station appropriate to that size, then I will be happy Nice video btw

@jcrbuilds 4 месяца назад

I actually found it interesting. I was thinking I should have got a bigger printer- but as it turns out the smaller ones are actually more detailed?? Keep the videos coming 🙌🙌

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

Thanks, I guess you are who this video is aimed at

@Graveyardprintshop 25 дней назад

anyone recommend a good printer for a beginner in resin printing? i have fdm printers. finally decided to get into resin.

@kokio3416 4 месяца назад

Hi hammer, sorry for asking you many questions but this is an important one , can put liquid resin inside plastic containers or it will make the containers crack

@FauxHammer 4 месяца назад

I often put it in plastic takeaway tubs without issue

@kokio3416 4 месяца назад

@@user-it7kg3pm4q also the containers are closed and the resin air cant get out, is that a problem?

@kokio3416 4 месяца назад

@@user-it7kg3pm4q what happens if resin self polymerize

@kokio3416 4 месяца назад

@@user-it7kg3pm4q that is not a problem in fact it is more safe, when I am saying I storage resin inside containers I mean toxic waste like papers with liquid resin and unwashed models

@paullancaster297 4 месяца назад

Got this a good while ago, annoyingly Manufacturers tend to quote AVC when the printer is new, then drop it real quickly when it's no longer the best, making it hard to find out the true values later on. For me I have several printers, approx 6, 9 and 13 inch screen size but all have the same-ish resolution 46 to 50 micron, giving me a consistancy between each print, would I like finer resolution - Hell Yes, am I going to get it in the near future probably not, at least not until they give up the ghost. I enjoyed both the 8K and 12K video's, just waiting for the 24K installment 😉

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