The most bizarre thing about Xanderhal going on that whole "Vaush might as well be supporting Trump" rant is that not only were the criticisms against Biden completely validated by everything that has happened since he dropped out (voter base reenergized, polls skyrocketing, Republicans in despair), Vaush's recent content has been overwhelmingly pro-Kamala and Walz. He's maintained his general criticisms against Kamala and the Dems while also acknowledging that they're making all the right decisions now and that there's reason to be hopeful. I can't remember the last time his content was this optimistic and pro-Democrat, so for that to be Xanderhal's angle to turn on him and burn the bridge out of the blue is so odd. (Keep up the good work! Sending love from Brazil 🌻)
Also, Xanderhal Said that "if Biden drops out and Vaush starts focusing on how much he supports the new candidate, then I will take this all back" And we've heard nothing. No apology video
@@ofanichan He also perma banned a chatter for reminding him that he said that. He's a coward and a giant baby. I have negative respect for him now (less than zero respect).
Who will you vote for? Harris or Trump? You all must understand! Trump is the reason my grandmother died, he is the reason my best friend's dad died from Covid, he is the reason he took the happiness of me and my family, and he is the reason a lot of the immigrant kids were separated from their parents at the Mexican Border! Trump and all the people who support him caused me so much pain! All their yelling, all their hate, all their support of Trump, DeSantis, & Musk, all their lack of sympathy, and all their self-entitlement has caused me and others like me SO MUCH EMOTIONAL PAIN! They don't understand all the horrible things Trump has done! Donald Trump must NOT be elected again, never again! People who support Trump, RFK Jr, Elon Musk, and/or Libertarians cause me so much pain. Me, a young grief-stricken autistic man, who had been rejected by many for his autism and his unwillingness to grow up. Plus, RFK Jr is an ableist.
I try to ignore most critical videos about channels I often watch (hi Vaush). But its good that my curiosity got the better of me this time. This Discord DMs are way to much to ignore for me. (I myself was in an abusive friendship years back) And I will watch the videos from Demon Mama to get the full picture.
Xan was my intro to the online left two years ago, and I found Keffals shortly after. They showed me that lefties can be a little edgy, or at least something different from the uptight, perpetually offended snowflakes that I saw while I was in the alt right. For me, getting out of the alt right was easy, the hard part was getting the alt right out of me. Xanderhal was the first step of that journey, and he’s the reason I am in your comment section right now. Maybe it’s time I move on from him.
Tis unfortunately kinda the nature of growth and change as time goes on, sometimes the people who inspire us to be better, move in very different directions than they inspired us to travel in initially. But this is the journey of life, sometimes our heroes disappoint, sometimes they outperform expectations and hopes, and there is no formula for knowing who is gonna wind up traveling in what direction in the long term. Best of fortunes to you, and genuinely it is always wonderful to hear folks talk about their journey and path of growth ^,^
not attacking you, but just in case you havent realized it, most of those "perpetually offended snowflakes" were young ppl (teens in high school or beginning of college) without social support, often including discrimination by teachers and school staff, as well as parents. i was one of them because everyone turned their back on me, so the inhibition to be loud and angry was gone, since that's how i was treated no matter what i did. it isn't healthy, but it is healthy to have compassion for people who were hurting. i suspect that you felt similarly when you were in the alt right. glad you made it out. much love
Honestly I think a very formative step of deprogramming your own bigoted/conservative beliefs and biases is moving on and growing past those initial role models and content creators that were part of your first steps moving out of the alt-right pipeline. I definitely think there are still people who kind of relapse or hold on to their edgy habits or are just damaged and abused from being in those alt-right and reactionary spaces. I think the Xanderhall situation is a mirror that can be put up to yourself and see what you should try an avoid becoming. I do often get reminded of a quote from one of the Alt-Right Playbook videos of "Bringing someone who's a bit of a Nazi but working on it into diverse spaces is questionable" which obviously isn't always representative of the situation on hand but speaks to how there are levels and steps to de-radicalisation which can cause issues.
Xanderhal has described himself more than once as a gateway out of the alt-right. Thing about gateways is, they're only useful if you keep moving through them on your way to wherever you're going.
@foolishlyfoolhardy6004 i am pretty dumb and i was just pretty pumped to have a cis dude going so hard on the trans rights ishuess. Those are mainly the only videos i really watched and paid attention to. Idk. Maybe if i payed attention more i could have caught it sooner, but id rather not doomer about everyone all the time
@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004Since I'm a sucker for evolution, please I wanna know how did he f up explaining it lol I'm genuine, I hate the guy and want to have a good laugh
@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004 BRO you can't say that humans have the right amount of hair for cold environments while wearing clothes come on XD that's hilarious
I watched his recent stream segment on Sonya Massey. He didn’t even know how to pronounce her name. He knew nothing about the case. He read an article out loud as his commentary. And the only opinion he provided was “wow. That’s effed up.” Brilliant, Xan. Thanks for your contribution to leftism.
same. I followed him a while back becasue i liked his energy and felt I was learning something from the stuff he was bringing up. But I don't know...I think after a while, something about his stuff felt mean and it was hitting some kind of nerve that I can't remember.also I think i might've been loosing interest, so I unsubscribed. I think I would see a little bit of him occasionally via Keffals stuff when I was watching her stuff for topics and things I hadn't heard any details about. But ran into similar issues with some stuff she said or did that rubbed me the wrong way. And then she pretty much went poof and vanished. Haven't seen her since.
The majority report a leftist show that has been in the game longer than xan has been alive (honestly) is critical of Biden. We should all be critical of Biden
The Majority Report is one of my personal favorites in the leftist space. Sam Seder almost never misses, he’s funny, and conservatives are afraid of him. And Emma Vigeland is super cool too, I loved when she ripped Tim Pool apart on his own show
@@hydrogen3266Emma is an absolute treasure. Sam I can take or leave. Sometimes he goes on tangents and loses the plot. but Emma NEVER misses. She is always 100% on point. And watching Tim Pool wearing extra makeup for his interview with Emma, just for her to shit on him the whole time was perfect. So funny.
I remember popping into a stream and he banned someone for asking a question and maybe making a sarcastic joke, then a friend of theirs was like, 'nooo, they just got here' and other people pointed out the person was being nice. His reaction was to kind of not believe them but, 'I'll see later'. The cold snippy way that he bans people always sat wrong with me, I think I left that stream and others for him always doing this.
@@MusingMossremember when he spent like 3 minutes googling for Blaire White’s deadname, just cuz someone in a video called her “*guy name* white” and he had to make sure if the video was deadnaming her? Even though his entire chat told him to stop?
As a transmasc that was following him when he made that comment and another ignorant comment about bottom surgery for transmascs that rubbed me the wrong way and made me stop watching him for a while
Looking at the demographics for the United States, about 39% are trans women and 36% are trans men. So, like, a 3 percent difference. Barely anything. Xan hardly knows what he’s talking about.
As someone who runs payroll for my office, his meltdown about the error with the direct deposit was genuinely mountain out of a molehill stuff. I had this type of mistake happen once (the employee mistakenly gave me the routing number for international wire transfers) so they didn’t get their check. All I had to do was call my payroll company, put a stop/reversal on the payment and re-issue the payment to the correct account. It took like 15 minutes tops. If he’d been paying enough attention to notice the problem sooner it would never have been an issue.
I used to watch Xan sometimes, but he started getting annoying with the drama and leftist infighting, and it seemed like he talked about that more than actually covering news and events. He seemed immature and bratty to a point I couldn’t ignore. I stopped watching him quite a while ago. He came into my recommended again a few months ago, and he was trying to say Israel wasn’t doing genocide in Gaza, and it confirmed to me that he’s cooked when it comes to politics. I can’t trust someone who says that sort of thing but calls themselves a leftist
Wow, I used to be a fan of Xan's stuff, but over the past few weeks I've been starting to drift away because of the vague idea I had of all the drama he's been in but holy shit, this is so much worse than i ever could've thought
I dropped a preliminary comment mentioning the way that people grow comfortable with the way that they have been living and how even when someone is well off it can seem to them like they are gonna lose everything if they lose any of the comforts they rely on...but it feels so insufficient with the rest of this mess. It really sounds like he needs some serious therapy over so many topics, but as with so many other people, it is unlikely at this point for him to recognize that need while he has fans puffing him up, and as noted, therapy wont help if a person isnt actively seeking to rectify things. I wish i was more hopeful about this, and am glad to hear that Keffals is actually gonna leave streaming behind, but ive seen too many other people just keep digging for their entire lives, and thats before even adding the fanbase into the mix, which has consistently shown an insulating factor against recognizing the need for the majority of folks.
You asked the audience if anyone makes enough money to not check their bank account. I don't think that's the right question. It doesn't sound like he does make enough to not check his account, it sounds like he was not checking his account anyway. I've gone through phases where that was hard to check (likely caused by some combo of ADHD and depression). Some of his panic over moving details would be consistent of that too. It doesn't excuse his behavior of course, even if a similar issue is at play.
54:50 re: his having a new editor to replace Cherry, one thing that I think is interesting is during all this that editor (ethan/arkay?) smugly brags about "haha i dont need Xan's money." From what I understand Cherry initially worked for free too. Seemst hat Xan only wants editors who won't press him on being fairly compensated.
Even if nothing comes of this, Xan is a ticking time bomb. Someone cannot burn bridges at a moment's notice and not slowly isolate themselves from others.
I was about to say that Xanderhal could easily work for someone else’s channel doing editing or research or something to supplement his income, but if cherry was doing it all maybe not 😅 I won’t ever forget Xan and Vaush for pulling me out of parts of the alt right but I guess I can’t really continue to sub to Xan
I catastrophize. I haven't been able to see a therapist about it (yay, America /s). I also don't... Put that on others. I've catastrophized about people who were being flaky about contacting me, and managed to not spam them (I have occasionally double-texted and such but only when other important things were happening and I had no other way to contact them, never to soothe my own catastrophizing, even like the times when I've called repeatedly, that was exclusively because there were issues that needed to be resolved involving those people and I was the only point of contact because Idk, honestly, mental health stuff on the other end I think). Honestly, I was subbed to Xan because I liked his takes more than Vaush's (especially as a pagan; that one debate Vaush did really soured me on him because he was not listening at all), but maybe it's time for me not to be. I don't feel comfortable watching videos from someone who threatened a fellow trans person, let alone all the other stuff. Sucks to lose another one of the relatively few political channels I trust but he no longer seems trustworthy.
I’ve given Xanderhal the benefit of the doubt for years, mainly because he is the one leftie who actually does drama stuff. And it’s just nice to have so:eine who doesnt just talk about the nitty gritty politics and election cycles cuz that can burn you out fast. But how he treated Cherry and how he attacks people who has sung nothing but praises for him is too far. Either he steps up and actually apologizes to people, or I’ll find someone else to watch, simple as.
31:00 he sounds like he has severe audhd. I, too, am terrible with finances, barely look at my account and when I can afford to pay someone to manage my YT analytics and comments and analyse trends, and sponsors and such I will absolutely be doing that (not this channel). I also get very anxious and upset when something doesn't happen the way I expect. My executive function is completely shot. But... I still look at my account before making a big purchase. I still want to make my own thumbnails, edit and all that stuff. I need a channel manager and PR person, someone to handle the more businessy side of the channel and let me know if there's something wrong without me having to read a bunch of abuse. I have a carer currently who manages my finances and appointments and all that because I just straight up forget and if a payment isn't coming through she knows about it and handles it. Without her I legit would be on the street because that is how incompetent I am at remembering and managing this stuff. It would be weeks before I realise something is off. I was paying for animelab for years after it had shut down because I was that bad at keeping track. I understand if Xan needed Cherry to manage that stuff but if Cherry wasn't expected to be on top of that shit then he should have been and if he wasn't able to then Cherry should have been given the tools to do so. And if all he's doing for his job is being the face in the videos then Cherry isn't an employee, they're a partner.
He needed to hire an entirely different person to manage finances. He really heaped up work responsibilities on to one person and paid her crap wages to do it. I am positive she was making half of min wage if all her hours were calculated and broken down. It is a full time job just to manage the editing, uploading, moderating aspects of his channel.
Where is this man's therapist? Why does he (seemingly) not have one? He knows he's been through some shit, WHY is he not doing anything about it? I ALSO had very abusive parents and partners, but I have spent five fucking years to get to some level of mental wellness, and seeing a man doing shit like this...like I'm mad, but I am so much more concerned. I am sitting here crying right now, over a person I don't even know, whose content I have never even liked. PLEASE, dude, GET SOME HELP before you're dead or in prison for committing a violent crime!
I just wanna say, living in Seattle is kind of rough, especially right now. A lot of transplants who have come here from other places thinking hey, I'm gonna live in one of the most progressive cities in the US. And it is. But it also has a massive homelessness problem. It really puts it in your head how close we all are to that situation. I'm not giving Xan a pass (I don't even watch him, but I heard you say) just because he lives in Seattle, cause fuck if I know what neighborhood he lives in or even if it's bad like around 3rd & James is. I've seen it deteriorate the mental health of close friends who have come here from the south cause they have this idea that the gay/trans friendly city is perfect. Whew. It's so not. I love Seattle, but how it has managed homelessness has been very bad, and seeing so many people on the streets every day can be very taxing.
50:51 I heard a guy tell a story that chilled me to the bone. He said that he got upset about something and then started screaming at a lady who was partly responsible for what he was upset about. He said that he had screamed whatever he could think of at her that would get her to hit him so he could beat her, and it would be her fault because she started getting physical. Kinda reminds me of Xan.
I used to watch him a few years ago, but I didn’t like how he was always seemingly beefing with another streamers and it got old really quick. Like bro I’m here to hear political commentary, not how you’re beefing with another streamer, AGAIN.
I remember him saying he wanted to recruit more drama/commentary youtubers to the left once. Then he pretty much became a drama streamer, and politics took a back seat
Thank you so much for this! I've been an admirer of your work for quite a while but unfortunately hadn't tuned in recently. Nothing at all to do with you or your great content, just me not keeping track of channels I like. I used to really like Xanderhal but had totally soured on him a couple of years ago. Whenever I would peek at his channel after that, I really disliked what I saw, mostly for the reasons you so effectively discuss earlier in this video. When I heard about this recent scandal, I was curious but hesitant to dive in. Then your video popped up and I was like, "Oh, I know Luxander will explain this as fairly and compassionately as possible." I intended to just get the gist of things... Well, I watched the whole video, and I'm so grateful for your commentary! It did explain this situation but also illuminated a lot of the deeper issues involved for me (had no idea about the PV thing, amazing), something you do so well. I think you just totally nailed what's wrong with Xan in a way I could never put my finger on. It's very sad, because I'm sure he has had a positive impact on people but, as you said, he really needs to take responsibility and admit he needs help. Anyway, thank you SO much for this, and for all you do! ❤❤❤
Same! I don't think any of the above are inherently-malicious or "bad" people, and just have demons that they need to seriously confront and wrangle. Regardless, it's disappointing to see people whose opinions I generally respect and who have certainly seemed well-intentioned at heart fail to take their own advice and violate their own stated principles in these ways.
We aren't responsible for having a thought. Intrusive thoughts happen to all of us, some of us much more than others. We are responsible for acting on those thoughts, and having a public freakout is an act on a thought. Saying words isn't a "feeling". It's a choice of action based on a feeling. He can build a toolkit of techniques to deal with the feelings he's having, without making threats on other people's safety. It may take a long time, and pro help.
If he doesn't have 6 months of savings, or at least an extremely stable and lucritive career that isn't going anywhere, he shouldn't be living in Seattle (one of the most expensive parts of the United States) and having employees. This is extremely basic personal finance shit. If he didn't have a revenue stream I might be less inclined to point out this failure of his. If he wasn't making public death threats and fucking up his employee's livelihood I might be less inclined as well. So no, I'm not talking shit about people who never learned how to do finances who are getting started as adults and are crashing and burning in their own situation. I'm not being anti-poor. I'm talking about Xanderhal specifically, who is actively dragging others with him, and continuing to not learn basic lessons in how to be an adult, and instead is continuing to make other people adult for him, and trying to pretend he's rich enough to have that not cause problems for others. It's causing problems.
Also regarding the actual topic, it never stops to amaze me to see all these workers rights streamers propagate so hard for fair wages and also basically being anti capitalism while literally paying their workers who they overwork crumbs while treating them terrible. First Xan now DM. Maybe that is why they were always so conveniently quit whenever a topic came up where someone called out leftist content creators for being stingy or greedy with money and paying ppl. It always felt strange to me. Like, i get how saing leftist have to be poor is a bad take. Especially as ppl in the public. But some bigger names out there do flaunt their wealth in ways that make you feel really icky. Especially when they end up not paying their own ppl for doing labour for them. Using the same tactics of exploiting volunteers and „for exposure“ rhetoric to avoid fair compensation. It always kinda felt like they were like: yeah ppl should pay fair wages how dare they don‘t do it!? But not me guys i‘m actually not even that rich so how dare you expect me to pay you a fair wage? You can be happy that i let you do this at all buddy!“ like ew wtf?
I am NOT excusing Xan. I do not watch his content. I am NOT a fan, but I am aware of his personal history. The only teeny itsy bitsy bit of grace I could give him is that he might not actually see his behavior towards Cherry as being abusive. People who've been reared in toxic environments often do not have great boundaries on acceptable behavior. They scream and yell and overreact because that behavior has been modeled for them. He is still young, but he is approaching an age where it is going to be increasingly hard for him to change the way he behaves without great effort. Younger people have more plastic personality styles. I am doubtful he will see the error in his behavior because he refuses to take on any small measure of constructive criticism. I hope I am wrong. I hope he decides that he should listen to some of his more well meaning critics, former friends, etc, and take their point of view to heart. In particular he needs to gain a better understanding that human beings cannot go around yelling at those they call "friend" because they are having problems. The world is not your punching bag because you are anxious. I have a brother in law that does these sorts of things. He has an anxiety disorder and instead of melting down inside like most of us, he explodes on any nearby target without considering that they aren't responsible for his problems.
Yuck. Honestly, I can understand why people do that, but I'm in therapy specifically because I want all of that to stop. I've had meltdowns where I would destroy objects, hurt myself and raise my voice/lash out at people. While I don't like the feminist narrative that when men experience this as loss of control, it's inherently refusing accountability (or the villainizing us by claiming this is us seeking control over others) but the thing is, it's our job to maintain it nonetheless. There's a reason why I'm always apologetic when that happens and why it's ultimately what got me to seek treatment. I wasn't happy like that and I didn't want to be a toxic person.
@@corbanekarel3692 You might want to consider that you might be neurodivergent. There are all sorts of reasons people rage and meltdown. For many people it is about controlling others with their anger, intimidating others, etc. But if you really are experiencing a lack of ability to regulate your emotions to that extent it could be an autism problem, or AuHD. I am late diagnosed autistic myself. I don't meltdown on people, I go off on my own and inflict damage on myself.
I'm currently in Cognitive behavioral therapy. Because I have issues with emotions from not feeling any, to not knowing what I'm feeling, to having anger issues ect..... So far the anger issues haven't changed much.... I'm actually getting more irritable and it's because of my job. 👀 It's extremely impossible to NOT get irritated AF at ppl with zero manners making a mess of everything every day at ur job. Politics also gets me heated extremely fast most the time. So, his problem could be worse and worse because of what he talks about.
I never know whom any of these streamers are, but it's good to know these things in case I end up stumbling upon their channels. Just FYI, I'd say 'spazzing out' is an ableist term. Spaz/spastic is basically the 90s r-slur. Incidentally, fab queer musician on here who used to call themself Spaz Cardigan because it was a nickname but found out and changed it to their real name, Chaz Cardigan. It happens.
I do wanna say her off topic but u said in one stream that ur cat‘s name is „mitternacht“ wich is fun to hear as a german. But u might wanna work on the pronounciation cause the way you said it „middernackt“sounds less like midnight and more like „middle naked“ cause „nackt“ in german translates to naked. So yeah u might wanna do it with the hissing sound u know the „ch“ sound. It might be a bit intimidating but if u try to just hiss when saying that ch part it will sound more accurate. „Also tt in german is pronounced in a harsher way. Not „midder“ but „mitter“ with the hard kind of t u use in words like „tired or tomorrow. Also another thing regarding the ch sound, what i also see is in americans that they sometimes struggle with how hard they do it wich makes it sound a bit harsh too. So u might wanna try to aim for a softer hiss in that. I know it can be tough to learn vocalization that is unnatural to what u were raised with but it‘s always fun to learn new stuff. It was the same for me and the american r sound and how the german r comes from the throat while the american feels more like it‘s coming from ur tongue being curled or something like that. It was also hard for me to learn bur it was fun too :D Just a little tangent nerd out for you ^^ cause i love watching americans use german it‘s cool seeing ppl using your language :3
Aw yes, I’m also fascinated by that but from the opposite direction! I’m a native English speaker who grew up with German around occasionally (mom and Opa moved from Germany when she was young). So I grew up learning sounds like the ch in “danke gleichfalls” or the R in “uncle Rolf” that were totally unused in any English words. Then I took Spanish which has sounds that neither German nor English have! If you take Spanish and you compare their rolled r’s to the German glottal r’s to the English r’s, it gets so wacky and fascinating! (Nerdy linguistics rant below) Also, while your examples of “tired” and “tomorrow” would get closer to the right sound than the “d” sound luxander uses, there’s still noticeably more breath behind those than the German t. We tend to have our t’s trail into a bit of a hiss, verging into being more of an affricate rather than the strict plosive of many german t’s. In German, both d and t are distinct alveolar plosives. (Alveolar is the bit of your mouth behind your teeth your tongue touches when making d/t/s sounds, plosives are sounds that are a sudden and brief expulsion of air rather than a sustained and restricted release of air (a fricative), or a sound that starts as an expulsion but is then extended into an expanded sound (an affricate, like ts or ch)) (its totally possible you’re a linguistics nerd like me and I don’t need to explain those terms to you, but I’m doing it anyway cuz I think this is so interesting and I love infodumping about special interests!) The difference in t and d, for most languages and accents, comes down to t being voiceless and d being voiced. This is because the affricate “ts” sound as a distinct phoneme is used in other languages (most often in German, usually spelled there as “z”), requiring it to be a difference the German ear is aware of and able to distinguish when both speaking and listening. But the “ts” affricate doesn’t really occur in English. So some English accents have allowed their plosive t’s to slide and become more similar to the affricate “ts”. The two become more or less synonymous to our ears, a difference in accent rather than a difference in meaning. Since we don’t use the “ts” in other words it doesn’t get things mixed up. But this means that, in our minds, the distinction between the “t” and the “ts” is much less obvious! So when we are trying to pronounce a German plosive t, we can hear a difference, we can hear that it’s a strict alveolar plosive, that it’s different type of t. And so we go with trying to partially emulate the one strict alveolar plosive we commonly use with our accent, the voiced alveolar plosive, the “d”.
Shit, i had no idea about any of this... Well, i knew about Keffals addiction causing her to blow fundraised money on drugs, but i had no idea about Xander being irresponsible, paranoid and bloodthirsty
I could never get into Xan cause to me felt like he was co-opting lefties talking points just to argue, drama farm, and debate. I genuinely don’t think he cares that much about politics except for what he can dredge up for drama, clicks, etc.
This story is so strange to hear because it feels REALLY familiar. Like, it's exactly what happened beat by beat with a guy I used to be friends with... back in Miami, Florida.
I'm always rooting for Xan, but he's still very much an immature kid, and it's very clear that his conflicts with some people in the past have left him traumatized and on-edge. He definitely has a tendency to look before leaping and react before thinking, which results in him firing off dumb hot takes that are just silly or objectively incorrect and getting into totally-avoidable bridge-burning fights with friends and allies. He tends to see people and situations in rather black-and-white terms and tends to go "scorched earth" when triggered, which results in him treating even his friends and allies in toxic and abusive ways. Once again, I'll beat my little drum and say that content creators should all be in therapy for their own and other people's health and well-being.
I used to follow Xan for quite a while, I think since like 2021, maybe 2020 even ? - not sure really - because he seemed like quite a chill guy and his politics were good, but I feel like lately he completely lost it. I was willing to cut him some slack, as you said he's been through a lot, but I'm not gonna look past his behaviour forever. I've found that I disagree with him on some politics, like the guns, but yk I'm not gonna unsub from people just because we disagree on something, no two people will agree on everything and that's alright. But yeah I found myself disagreeing with him more and more as time went on and the Keffals drama was a huge hit, since I watched her too and from the discussion they had, it made Xan look really childish and irresponsible, basically making drama out of something that could have been resolved in a private conversation if he was reasonable. It also looked like he just burned the bridge out of nowhere ( something that seems to be a reoccuring issue ), for the slightest problem. Also really glad that it turned out both of the people I used to watch turned out to be pos ( this is sarcasm, just incase someone doesn't get it ). This current drama is like the final nail in the coffin. The stuff he did and said was really bad - like my guy I know Keffals did a bad thing and personally did you wrong ( in your opinion ) but describing how you want to murder her by beating her up with a gun is fucked up. I think it's pretty clear he's been suffering from some mental health issue and trauma. Plut the weed probably doesn't help, seems like it fried his brain... In any case I hope he gets help, but that's only gonna happen when he himself chooses that, I don't think there is any getting through to him.
Even if his channel really was at stake, throwing multiple people's safety under the bus to cover his own streaming career is low. No, he was not gonna be homeless, he was gonna have to get a different job; he's spoiled and entitled as hell to think other people's situation was his to use and save his own coushy job.
The only thing I remember hearing him say about his mom was that she was a feminist and that's what drove him into misogyny. It really seems like he is both an unreliable narrator and still clinging on to some of those misogynist tendencies he had when he was on the right.
From what I understood, she was a liberal/feminist, but she and him never had a good relationship. She was very harsh and there's a reason why the feminism drove him to embrace the misogyny bit. We will never know the full details tho. He has talked about her multiple times, but none of his stories has ever lead me to think she was the type of abusive parent where I would call child service or whatever.
@@ofanichan Yeah plus we've now seen how he will just make up shit about people he doesn't like. I don't know how bad their relationship is but I know from my own experience I will never allow myself to live in the same house as my mom's husband again. So maybe they at least have a better relationship than that since he was willing to move back in with her.
I used to loves Xans content, but then he started engaging in a bit too much leftist infighting. And thats not something I'm into. I figured if he doesn't like Marxist-Leninists (yes I'm an ML) I'd just leave. Still kinda sad to hear about how he treated Cherry Also, you're a great content creator and deserve more recognition than you get
this really sucks to watch because I've been through similar types of abuse, and I had to work hard to fight off this very paranoid, distrusting, catastrophizing behavior. It strained my relationships but I got care from the right people at the right time and I've grown a lot since then. Trusting people is very scary but most of them aren't out to take advantage of that trust. I feel like as survivors of abuse we have a special responsibility to not repeat the evils that made us.
Xan's always been so incredibly, like, enthusiastic to a sort of concerning degree, that I'd say it is very probable he is pathological in some way that he should see someone about.
Wild. I don't usually get bother with the streamer drama stuff. I personally think that all these ppl Vaush, Keffals, Demon Mama, Xan, Destiny, etc; I think they're all, at best, highly problematic and unreliable and at the very worst, abusers and scammers so I've gotten by with just ignoring them. I only peripherally know of Xanderhal and have proudly never had a twitter so I didn't realize he was this unstable.
Big time agree, I hate every one of those youtubers mentioned and have for years. Can't express enough how much I cringe whenever seeing them pop up or be mentioned.
I feel there is also a gendered dimension to this, as was alluded to at the end of the video. He seems to be traumatised by abuse stemming from women (his mom and his ex) but also expects them to babysit his life for him and manage his emotions for him, a common thing with toxic men of course. It stood out to me that he said he doesn't need to pay Cherry because she allegedly doesn't need the money and his new editor, who is male, has a gf to "support". Weirdly reactionary gender politics there.
Small correction, Keffals didn’t blow the money, she spent it on other trans people’s fundraisers once she knew she wouldn’t be able to use it herself, which was a possibility listed on the go fund me.
Is there any proof about this? I enjoyed her content prior to all the "nukes" (as Xan would put it) about her. I really don't care about the "bathrub hrt" thing because it was obviously a joke.
Xanderhal is leaking subs like crazy, views are barely at 2,5K now. I unsubbed from him over a year ago, cause the casual homophobic comments got under my skin. And he obviously is not very bright. Thinking he can infiltrate the commentary community turned him more right wing than anything. That aside, how is nobody talking about Riley Grace Roshong being back, and Contrapoints being on her "podcast"? You remember, Riley, no kink at pride meltdown Riley? Nobody has talked about it and she's been back for months.
we've talked about it on stream but I didn't think it was noteworthy enough for a channel segment. If she does something egregious we'll cover it. I did disaffiliate with Progressive Victory because they hired RGR
I'm honestly one of those people who started off dismissing DM because imo she mischaracterized a few of his arguments and I decided to tune out of the whole thing. I didn't want to completely stop watching either of them but after watching a 3rd party, who doesn't regularly interact with either of them to my knowledge, cover DM's videos I don't think I can even watch xan anymore.
Xan tends to make promises/goals he cant keep, he promises to finish a bunch of playthroughs of games hehas started, only to abandon them for starters. He gets an idea he likes, but does not commit to them. I dont think it is a purposeful "carrot on a stick" but it certainly feels like one looking back at all the things he has been saying for the past year that he could quite easily do, and just never does
Further context on xanderhal berating cherry about the money from PV, At that time cherry was asleep becasue she just got done pulling an all-nighter editing for xan because he was freaking out on cherry about the channel dying earlier in the day
Extrapolating your subscriber count and Patreon income to Xan, he's making between $2500-3000 a month. That's not including Twitch donations or sponsorships. It's possible he could be earning up to $5000 a month.
Xan is TA here, but there's one thing I cut him a little slack for. Remember, this all goes back to Shoeonhead starting a p3do conspiracy that got promoted by Tucker Carlson and used by her far right audience to fuel trans hate. Then everyone who called her out on it, especially Xan, she turned it around on and accused of being weird about kids. That's the whole reason he had a meltdown with Keffels, for being friends with Shoe - I don't think he ever really cared about the scam. So with all that being said, it's understandable that Demon Mamas very funny joke is going to go over his head and he will see it as an attack comparing him to Epstein.
Xan's channel was stagnating for awhile but in the last couple of months he's gotten his views and subs up, which probably means he's not going to do much anything about all of this. I'm not going to resub or follow him unless he tries to work on these problems.
I really used to like xanderhal, and I dont have anything that specifically pushed me to stop watching his content, he just started saying weird things that weren't necessarily bad or good. They were just weird. Then he started snipping at Vaush, and I washed my hands of the whole thing long before it blew up.
He keeps going back ti his mother whenever life goes wrong for him. So i dont think he can leave her, he needs her in his life. Which is fair. My mum can be abusive, but I could never picture leaving her.
My mom is emotionally abusive, not on purpose. I still love my mom even if we argue a lot about various things and despite her emotionally abusive comments ect.... We probably dunno the full story.
There's a lot of reasons he might not go no contact with his mom. Perhaps she is his only "safety net" when everything else fails - relying on her is better than being homeless etc. It's probably complicated, I see no reason to question his actions in that regard
Xan is one of my least favorite leftist streamers mostly because of his Joe Biden glazing and his constant attacks on other streamers. But I find his takes on the alt right interesting because he was once alt right himself and managed to pull himself out. You and Hasan are my favorites. I’m biased though because I’ve met you in person.
It IS ppossible to be into warhammer without getting their underwear twisted everytime they see a woman or a transperson, just saying. I have had this idea of styling a Sisters of Battle army around Imane Khelif and other bullied women and trans people and while I have no reached synthesis yet I am also getting more and more interested in making it.
He started out more like a wannabe discount vaush. But his community is really toxic, so I unsubbed from him ages ago, and didn't see any of this until now
Xanderhal started the beef with Keffals before he knew the information, he found out, wanted to go public with it since the entire community was turning on him, and instead of saying "my bad Im sorry" he started pressuring people so he could get that info "to win over the losers" and get his community back on his side. Edit: Just as Gayfesh said
As a leftist some of us do tend to be more vocal about the dem more than the republican. Was that way with Clinton and Biden and Obama’s 2nd term. There are definitely things that need to be talked about some just do it more noticeably and more often so sometimes for someone without the know will not distinguish
I always wondered what would happen to that kid after the whole horse leaks came out, he always came across as a V orbiter who hated him and figured he would have taken the first opportunity to break off and do his own thing, but it didn't really materialize. EDIT: So he's a paid propagandist now? That's great, good for them that makes me want him to break off the V cult even more now.
11:35 onwards, Idk if this changes the framing on any of this, but I think Xan, Vaush, Keffels, and Demonmama were all part of the collective White Forest, which means that they're all financially motivated not to go after each other. While Xan is clearly not well and his mental health probably plays a huge factor in a lot of his decision-making, there might honestly be something to the idea that he wanted people to know something really stunk with Keffel's behavior because it was the responsible thing to do for people who are sending her tons of money, but was shut down by other people who all financially benefit from each other. This is a more cynical perspective, but I also think it should be something to consider. People are complicated, and a kind of rashomon effect is real. Something about this situation makes me cautious about taking the reasoning Demonmama gives at face value. The fact that there is also a real possibility that Demonmama herself might have a pattern of underpaying her employees based on Glooby's experiences working for her, as well her protecting potentially predatory people doesn't make me any less cautious either.
Xanderhall really went off the deep end after the Keffals situation. There are plenty of reasons to be critical of Keffals, don't get me wrong, but ever since it's like he's going around with a lighter, torching every bridge he comes across.
@@someweirdidiot8736 Agreed, I haven't watched much political content lately since the "to be sorted folder" incident. It's not much fun being a leftist atm
@@monkeydude952 I mean xan is a bit of an idiot but compared to all the people who orbit vaush he has the least amount of dirty laundry and should just go off on his own
She's "quit" like 30 times so far, and just like any other time she streamed immediately after saying she wouldn't. She is a drama farmer and nothing she says can be taken seriously. I don't know why people don't seem to get this. At this point if you're subbed to her and believe her, you kinda deserve the trolling.
i stopped watching xan when he had his beef with keffals because she "associated with shoe0nhead" (said on stream that this one recent take of hers was good). this nuke by DM has shown that he has been way more deranged in private than the drama showed. granted koofal didn't end up looking much better (arguably worse) but jesus
6:30 hold up i agree that its perfectly fine if you want to criticize Biden, that guy sucks. But every vote that would've gone to Biden but don't, is only a win for the other side tho. But whatevers that my opinion, the way Xan went about supporting for Biden was so over the line
Government is supposed to take decades to accurately change. It is for whoever is in office. Unless you are the person in office = you will never fully agree. That is fine, it is what the founding fathers intended. have a great day !
While I know you don't usually like doing crossover content with other, I think reaching out to Vaush would be a good decision. I'd be very interested to see what you two would have to talk about in a coop segment stream. Can't trust clout chasers like Xanderhal though. Have to trust others with principles.
This is the thing with Xan, he's a right wing leftist. Remember, he came out of being a republican conservative, in a red state; His brain still thinks in the way it was programmed to by them, and loyalty is one of their big things. Besides that, he's much much more a centrist liberal than anything noticeably left. The reality is, things have gotten so out of hand nationally and globally that policies that are 'leftist' are just plainly common sense, and issues that are 'socialist' or leftist are common place. Not taking the positions he has that are leftist, are out of survival and common sense, rather than a tie to any given cause.
I know that voting for Dems is frustrating and infuriating at times. Sometimes I believe it’s more of a vote against Republicans rather than for Democrats. But to stand idly by without doing what you can both within and outside of the system will only make things worse. Apathy is what gave Trump his first term, we cannot let it give him a second. Please, vote in your elections AND participate in community organizing. (And IMO it’s easier to do the second when you do the first.)
Vaush definitely has his issues, I don't think they are with his critisizms of Biden though. My problem with Vaush is his constant attacking of other leftists, namely "tankies"
I hate how he refers to any women he's talking about as "this b*tch" or "that b*tch" idc if your politics are good, that's pandering and making leftie misogynists comfortable and justified. Gross.
Must be so fun to play around with hammers and sickles and ushankas and not having to deal with actual history of anti -worker violence. "tankies" are larpers at best and racist against eastern europeans at worst
