He's implying that hard work is not the end all be all of "getting that brass ring". Some ppl only work hard enough to not get fired, but then get to the top and get stupid. Paul Levesque as an employee is one of the best workers a company can have. He's never had a major out with the company, regardless of his relationships in it. Therein lies the truth of that "part of it"... You can have all those factors as a wrestler, but as an employee can you handle the workload and pressure of being at the top. Shawn Michaels was a dick, but got the job done in the 90s, and did an even better job once he redeemed himself. I mean I don't know, I'm just a casual fan. Trips could be making bad decisions behind the scenes... but in business that's how it usually goes. Employee dependency and all that.
I think I get what he meant. It's like picking the FACE of the company has nothing to do with who works the hardest, but when you do become the top guy, you must work the hardest to stay on top. I see HHH's point, but I still think other wrestlers are better choices than Roman as the face of the company.
@@kamfisher1714 trips ain’t wrong tho, the bizz isn’t really about working hard or being nice it’s about knowing the right thing to do in order to get to the top because just like trips said everyone works hard but not all of them are doing the right thing and being smart HELL.... some guys work harder than the other guys but the other guys get more championship opportunities why? Because like they knew how to connect to Vince and had ideas about what their gimmick is.
Bullshit. They were pushing him even when the fans didn't like him. They wanted him to be the man and the fans weren't buying it. Thus the reason wwe is losing audience level left and right.
@@brunneng38 he's a heel now. His promos have gotten better but its nowhere near good as some fans have given him praise for (he often speaks so low, its hard to hear him and he at times still looks so uncomfortable onscreen, as if he is strugglimg to express hinself properly or mayne he is just an akward dude lol) and the only reason he got better is cause Paul Heyman is not only his manager onscreen but working with him behind the scenes
@@2Good2BeTrue45 I really wish I could get back into watching, but every time I turn it on, I’m not impressed. I will still occasionally watch a Divas match if ones going on. Because I’m a dude. 😂🤣
@Golden Iolaire rock was the greatest to ever leave the bis, Andre the greatest giant , the giant Hogan the American super star and if your parents like wrestling they were prolly a fan because I feel like he was the John cena of his time
@Thpider-Man comparing roman to any one of those is a strawman argument, name one time any of the greats you listed above got booed as a babyface a part from cena. smart fans realized very quickly how cena was being smashed over as the face of the company hence the "lets go cena, cena sucks" chants. simple fact is roman fits an ideal mold that vince has had since he took over the wwf from his father. the fans can boo until they are blue in the face but the company is going to continue to smash him over because vince has a tall built pretty boy fetish. the irony of this is the more they ignore their paying customers aka the fans, the more AEW becomes a legitimate threat to wwe. fanboys gunna fanboy an all but it really depresses me that modern fans excuse every decision in some BS way like you just did. in order for the show to get better you need to be critical of it, call out the company for horrible pushes, angles and writing. roman reigns is just a symptom of the larger issue in wwe. hell compare the 2020-2022's womens division matches to the attitude eras womens matches or even the ruthless aggression eras womens matches, this eras women "wrestlers" look Amateur and awkward in the ring which really says alot seeing as before wwe trish stratus never wrestled a day in her life as a fitness model. all the woman legends from the best era of wrestling all came non wrestling backgrounds but in their day of performed the best of this current era who have all been trained and or been in the business of wrestling for years before hitting the main roster. then you have the part timers like cena coming back and instantly getting pushed over people who have been around for decades and never given a chance. this is already to long but the problem the fanboys wont admit is vince is stuck in a cycle of cena, roman, brock, and rousey the result is viewership is dropping so vince decides to go on firing sprees every 6 months instead of breaking the cycle that is literally killing his company.
Hard work and physical talent are part of it. A wrestler’s LOOK always comes into play. Charisma is huge too. I think Roman Reigns has the look of a superstar, but I’m not so sure he has enough of the other ingredients needed.
Completely agree. He doesnt feel natural at all. Like people are being forced to like him and it makes people not like him more. The same thing happened with Cena when he started, constantly got compared to attitude wrestlers, fans over the age of 18 hated him, constantly pushed by wwe but eventually fans gave him his dues. Maybe the same will happen with roman.
Not really, at least In the wwe working hard dosent mean much just like trips said a guy has to be smart about the people he’s talking to in the locker room cause look at trips was he the hardest worker? Not really but was he smart? Absolutely, he befriended the top guy at the time and formed a kliq and also befriended the boss of the company and then married his daughter so now he’s a 14 time champion..... So overall, trips had the look, had the right gimmick and knew how to get himself over and didn’t really have to work as hard as other guys and this isn’t really a bad thing when you really think about it.
Love both these guys and the growth in HHH. Unfortunately in all companies it’s about business and profit loss, not always hard work and skill so some good/great ppl may get overlooked while others who aren’t as great have a formula and recipe for revenue so they get over quicker
If the promoter/boss is obsessed with you and you are good looking, above average on mic, wrestling and everything else, you def gonna become a main eventer. Just raw talent and technical ability doesnt mean shit when are people.gonna realise that. You either gotta be extremely charismatic or if the boss looks at you like you re the best thing since sliced bread
Eddie would be a perfect example the guy oozed so much charisma that if he didnt want to he didn't have to work a day in his life and would still be over like shit
Doesn't matter how hard you work. DOES matter how successful that work is. If your matches are crap, and your mic work is crap, and your audience engagement is crap, then you should not be getting the air time. The real commodity in the industry is not titles; it's time. You can be Women's Champion, Tag Team Champions, Intercontinental Champion, and still not get time on the show. And you can have no belt, but get 10 minute promo blocks and 25 minute match blocks. Love them or hate them, if a performer cannot get over with the audience, if they can't make the viewers actually become engaged in the stories and want to attend the shows, want to tune in for television, if they cannot put butts in seats, then they should not be getting that air time over people who can. When Daniel Bryan or CM Punk is getting the loudest response on the show, that's what people are paying to see. So that's what you need to be keeping engaged. Ignoring people while they are white-hot, or worse still burying them to try to intentionally kill their crowd appeal, is the WWE literally throwing away their own most valuable commodities. Unfortunately, all too often while the WWE is trying to "create superstars", trying to convince the crowd to like someone that they don't, the WWE's approach begins with trying to destroy all the incredibly valuable talent that the audience wants to see at the top instead. No other industry would look at their sales numbers and stop selling what is most popular, to double down on something that has been failing. It's a business, and it needs to be treated like one.
I 1000% agree. The WWE has time and time again buried stars that people were actively behind in favour of people that no one cared about. They'd bury someone like Bryan or Punk and instead force someone like Reigns into the picture. People wanted Kofi as champion, He got buried by Lesnar in 10 seconds. At a certain point when people realize the wrestle they like will never get over, They stop caring about the product and stop watching.
He contradicted Af But the life lesson is, it doesnt matter how hard you work, it's about how smart your hard work is. You might be a hard worker, but you look best getting beaten up.
I think he's right to a certain point I think all of them work hard you can't take that away but to me I think it's their fault they grave a guy and shove it down your throat so much no matter how much a hard worker that person is people get tired of it then that person gets boring to them and then you want to see something else
People wouldn’t have been criticising John Cena as much as they did (I included) if he had turned heel. Perfect example is Roman Reigns heel turn. If there was a crowd guess what, I bet ya he’ll be getting a much more positive reaction from the crowd now then he was when he was a babyface. Cena would’ve had the same reaction
Triple H spitting truth. They all work hard. It’s just about who makes sense to have at the top. Triple H made sense at the top during his time. Just look at the numbers. Everyone has to work hard but not everyone will be a champion. If everyone won, there’ wouldn’t be anything special about it. The true fans respect all the stars regardless of titles.
@@blacjackdaniels200 im going to argue that business isnt going so well seeing as every 6 months vince fires more and more people. that tends to happens when showing the same thing and pushing the same people for 10+ years. shit gets boring and people stop watching. are you going to argue that wwe is better off now then it was back in the early 2000s or even the 90s how about 2010? the fans like you need to stop justifying and start being critical because if it was good, you wouldnt need to justify it. btw wwe didnt make stone cold the top guy, the writers struck gold with the bad guy vince vs good guy stone cold which got stone cold so over it instantly had him rubbing shoulders with the top guys. getting over happens organically vince has forgotten that aspect of building characters hence why we see ronda, cena, roman and brock consistently.
Triple H only got to the top for 2 reasons: 1. Shawn Michaels 2. Stephanie Mcmahon, without them, he'd be a jobber for life. Shawn Michaels gave him the opportunity to play with the big boys Stephanie Mcmahon gave him relations with Vince to get more connected to the business It's not about who makes sense to get at the top, it's all about politics, even moreso nowadays. Roman is linked to the Anoa'i, that's the biggest reason why he's the face of the company right now. The WWE has good relations with the family making them easy to work with and having one of them as a champion makes sense, especially given the fact that The Rock was a pretty damn successful one.
HHH deserved to be where he was. He didn’t become the man because he was married to the boss’s daughter. The boss’s daughter married him cause he was the man.
@@blacjackdaniels200 Yeah sure. It hasn't nothing to do with Stephanie, it is only a mere coincidence that Triple H started burying everyone and having like 10 title reigns after Stephanie became head of WWE Creative. Without his marriage he would either be a travelling agent for the company, or one of the old part-timers coming back for a few matches whenever Vince feels the ratings should be boosted.
Everyone hates on Reigns the way they hated on Cena, no one realizes it takes a very specific type of dude to take on that role in the company. The Daniel Bryan's and Bray Wyatts are great champions but WWE needs a guy who not only sells out ppvs, but can go non-stop 365 with signings, appearances, media, etc. Daniel Bryan is an incredible talent but he could never take on the responsibilty that John Cena did or Roman Reigns does.
@Rod brown I agree but my point is there is a fundamental difference between being a "champ" and being "the guy" for the WWE. Because being "the guy" now doesn't mean you sell out PPV's and put on great matches, it means you're the one that does mainstream interviews, does all of the special events with kids, etc. Seth Rollins is a great champ but I don't think he would be "the guy" for WWE, guest appearing on a disney show or doing skits with Jimmy Fallon.
Everyone complains so much. Growing up I watched the Honky Tonk Man beat Ricky Steamboat on a Saturday Morning and keep the belt for what felt like an eternity. That's back when the ic title meant something.
@@RisingRecluse legit i was right there watching that too. Legit the best IC champ they have had in recent years is The Miz. Perfect heel you love to hate and a good wrestler. He held that title for a while and rebuilt the luster of it. As soon as they started swapping it to everything and created that terrible design, it went to shit again.
@@superkid12345 my one criticism about the Miz is that his initial push was far too soon. He got much better in time but in the beginning I thought why this ham and egger.
@@RisingRecluse WWE is notorious on trying to maximize on someone's outside WWE celebrity. It's annoying how they pushed miz because if you strip that away he is a great wrestler, great talker, super charismatic with mainstream appeal. Yet the way WWE presented him, he is still looked at as undeserving of pushes and just a poser. Reality is he's been wrestling non stop with WWE for 16 years now without a major injury and having solid matches.
H is wrong on this one. I think he's spinning it so it doesn't make him/Vince/WWE look bad. Thing with Roman was that he just thrown into the title picture without any sort of chase or anything. U look at The Shield back then and Roman was the most vanilla/green of the 3 of them. Ambrose had great mic work and Seth was the better ring performer. Roman was just the muscle and Vince loves the brute muscle dudes. He shouldn't have won the rumble and should've been booked better.
They push who's over and who sells the most merch. Roman's been a big seller since he came in. I'm not a WWE fan boy, never have been, but you cannot critique them properly unless you understand how they work. You sell merch, you over with every target demographic, you willing to work every show they ask you to do? You're their guy. Simple.
About what? That it doesn’t matter how hard you work or how good you are? It doesn’t mean you’ll be champ? Yes, correct. Triple H just confirmed it. CM Punk is like bratty millennial that thinks everyone deserves a trophy.
@@blacjackdaniels200 Oh you mean confirmed by the guy that slept with the boss' daughter to get the higher position instead of wrestling his way to the top? The one that failed to bury talent like the rock and cm punk who were top guys and succeeded to bury some talent like maven who had what it took to make it? You mean the guy that was always a mid carder but hung with main eventers that were top guys like rick flair and Shawn michaels but was never one himself? This CEO got outshined by a rookie that got kicked off a football team, but when that rookie became a house hold name had a feud with Austin, they became the face of an Era and Triple H was struggling to bury guys like Benoit. You also mean the guy that couldn't out shine cm punk on the mic? Imagine triple H as a face? You can't, he had to be the villain to be somewhat likable, now imagine the ones in his peer like Rock, Austin, Taker, Flair, Orton, ect as faces? They were liked as faces and heels, triple H cant pull that off Work hard? Look at WWF, when wrestling was at its peek... now look at WWE where wrestling is at its worse, the all time favorites left, So when we talk about the hardest workers, guys like cena and Roman reigns are HHH's best example... if superstars were like it used to be, HHH would have felt inferior and wrestled more but now its easy to sit back and relax because it is no competition. HHH knew he had to worker harder back then but he couldn't keep up cause he was never THE man unless the main eventers were absent... so of course its confirmed by him.
@@blacjackdaniels200 CM Punk never said that. He said that however popular or successful a wrerstler, how good a match or promo he can make, it always comes down to WWE sticking to their opinions who should be in the main event and they always put their old guys over new talent. iontead of the most popular guy, they put their favourites in the main event, then they are surprised when their favourite is booed repeatedly. Triple H just said that hard work has nothing to do with it. Of course, he didn't admit that backstage politics are the deciding factor.
In most jobs you work harder than everyone else then you should be rewarded WWE obviously never had that opinion otherwise tamina would have won way sooner
I don't mind Roman Reigns, but i don't know who's idea it was to make him wear blue contacts. Is it to make him look white? haha either way it's cringe.
He was amazing but not always perfect. He isn’t the greatest champion as his “pure undertaker” isn’t the most compelling character. And the longer his career went on clearly the worse he got, it’s not his fault because age catches all of us but that’s when the career goes on too long. There’s never been a perfect wrestler
@@Josh-dy4lq nope i cany see it, jericho, orton, benoit and eddie are better than cena, reason why ppl see cena up there is because of the kids and his popularity,
@@lcfcfan1655 His popularity is one of the reasons why he is in the top 10 greatest WWE wrestlers of all time wrestling is not just about skill got to have heart and passion and the commitment John Cena had all of it
First off Pual you and Stephanie have ruined the live tv versions of Raw and Smackdown poor creative and writing development of new stars since you two have been in charge if Vince was smart he would demote you two and get those old writers from the attitude era and bring them back and as well as the the old trainers who use to be there to help make new stars.........
