WWSD2020 Rifle: First European Review!!! 

He has,

@@andyniblock43 come on man... you're better than this.

@@EnterTheFenix I agree, he is Ian McCollum of Forgotten Weapons, brilliant presenter.

Gun Jesus already won the internet he needs his own show on history channel.

lmao

Go woke, go Bloke?

Give me the coke and then you can stroke so spoke the bloke your n the choke without smoke

He doesn't like tucking.

Get your mind out of the gutter

0w0

In Finland, they did the same. Former legal measurements for a rifle were, overall at least 84 cm and barrel had to be more than 40 cm. Now it's overall at least 60 cm and barrel must be at least 30cm. So that was great. Now I can have KAC SR15 11.5" with pinned flash suppressor.

@@vpr2528 Interesting, 60cm OAL (in the shortest fireable configuration, e.g. with stock folded/collapsed) and 30cm barrel length is also the legal definition of a long gun here in Germany (and has been for a long time). However here the barrel length is measured including the bolt and bolt carrier in the locked position. So for example an MP5 with a 22.5cm barrel is still a rifle with a fixed stock. But with the A3 collapsible stock or a folder, it's a pistol.

A whole two fewer centimeters? That's crazy!

@@Cheka__ It doesn't sound like a big deal, until you realize that 42cm is 16.53". So any typical 16" barrel (i.e. 16.25-16.5") did not quite cut it. And unlike in the US, only the rifled part of the barrel is counter. So welding on a muzzle device isn't helping much either. But on the other hand, it's not that critical either, as the

That’s awesome. In the US your rifle needs to have a 30” barrel, fixed stock, and no trigger to be classified as NOT an “assault rifle”

@@Bill0341xx We won't go quietly, the legion can count on that.

WATCH YOURSELF, PROFLIGATE!

You heard her, Utobitha! Beware the battle cattle, but don't FEAR the battle cattle!

When I got this assignment I was hoping there’d be more gambling

You perv!!

Under 5 pounds, nuts

Yea. They are light enough that you can pull a fun party trick with friends. In some cases you can swap all the accessories off your friends AR onto a WWSD and the WWSD ends up about the same weight as your friends base rifle even with all the accessories.

Crazy light is cool until you see that barrel whipping.

@@CasperInkyMagoo any barrel oscillates during firing. The accuracy and durability is there, so it's a non-issue.

@@tommihommi1 accuracy? Folks in the comments who own the rifle say it shoots two minutes at best. Unacceptable for a modern platform.

As well as a floating gun! Most likely a drone out of sight of the camera holding a masked face and gun on strings.

I thought it was just me!

Probably CGI....

A fin, of course you can’t see him in the snow

I swear it almost sounds like Ian

>not 5.8mm Chinese

Nah, y'all's are gonna be in .50 gi

@@hermatred572 nah, that’ll be the smg conversion

Would take a turn for 2mm Kurz. Not as powerful, but, bruh, that mag capacity!

@@wwlb4970 Why not use airsoft? Power'd be about the same and mag capacity even better

We live in the sub MOA era. Two minutes is poor.

@@CasperInkyMagoo A better shooter than I am could probably wring out the last bit of accuracy from this rifle. I have other rifles, such as an HK MR556, that are definitely capable of sub-MOA accuracy. For a very light rifle such as this (especially considering the sort of uses this rifle was designed for), two minutes is just fine with me. In my experience over forty years, I've seen people shot 50 100 yard groups where 49 of the groups will average 2". One group will come in at an inch and they will declare the rifle an MOA shooter. Most people vastly overstate the accuracy of their firearms.

@@CasperInkyMagoo One other thing. Because this rifle is so light and handy, you don't have to shoot it from a sandbag rifle rest to achieve excellent accuracy from it. There is such a thing as practical accuracy, and the WWSD design excels by these standards.

@@CasperInkyMagoo You're not gonna be sniping with it, 2 MOA is perfectly fine for an assault rifle.

And in a modern context: every less pound of rifle is another pound of optics, lights, magnifiers, night vision, laser target designators, etc. That you can put on a rifle.

At least you'll be able to get a realistic airsoft version. Oh wait...

The Left Wing wants to ban Stoner rifles. It's because they're afraid of Black things. They think they're violent, kill children, and want to have sex with their flabby minger wives while they hopelessly watch on from a wingback chair. Wait, they seem to have strayed off topic with that last one...

@Miles Maillet we got rid of the non-restricted long gun registry. It can be done, it just isn't generally done.

We’ll be able to get black rifles in Canada again one day. The OIC ban is too all over the place to be set in stone forever. And when we do this is the first thing I’m buying

Scary gun looks scary.

however there's mag regulations now

@@tommihommi1 yes, sad and true.

@@maxfortune4466 and limitations on purchase for bolt actions. Obviously, Mosins are too dangerous !

@@mikehoare6093 Yes, and so are empty 30 round mags.....

@@maxfortune4466 come on, we are psychopaths..............errr.......not !

$2 is $2, even after inflation.

also kind of a saftety thing not to leave live ammo lying around on the ground everywhere.

Was thinking the same! :) Ian, this is Europe, we don't have an ammo shortage here :)

@ManualLabor That depends on the country you live in... you would be surprised in some cases.

@ManualLabor I'm from Switzerland, so they are pretty ok, even though 2 years ago we adapted some of the stupid EU laws which made some stuff more complicated to get. But for now all in all it's pretty relaxed. Except for course when it comes to concealed carry, that's a no go since about 30 years. Unless you have some real good reason.

That’s all this video is. Sales promotion.

Ionno to me it sounded like him talking about most other rifles on forgotten weapons haha.

@@CasperInkyMagoo Maybe, but nothing they're saying is false. Watch the inrange wwsd2017 and wwsd2020 set of videos. They've been saying the same things for years, long before there was any idea of selling it.

@@CasperInkyMagoo The difference is these two have done videos in the past together so it doesn't feel fake.

I think he's just explaining why they made the decisions they did. Obviously he's going to say it has good features if they willingly designed it that way.

Ya now it just weighs... 9 boxes ??

No, it's still a .50 and weighs as many boxes as you can carry, it just look less mean now xD

I didn't hold it, but I wish I had

@Santus Scanderbegus Unless you want one in the UK.

In all likelihood, when the government gets around to implementing the new firearms legislation, we'll finally be rid of the stupid whitelist system we've had for the last couple of decades. That should mean the WWSD becomes legal for IPSC (DSSN) shooters, it is currently not legal in Norway because it isn't on the list of approved models. Last I heard, the change is scheduled for this spring give or take a few months.

If they want to sell it in Norway they can indeed do that. And if you want to stick quad stacked 100 round mags in it and a suppressor on it you're free to do so as well. You can own pretty much everything short of SBR's and select fire weapons in Norway. You just have to get your dynamic sports shooting license and a background check in order. A friend of mine is into DSS and uses an MR223 A3 which is a great rifle to shoot but fairly heavy compared to the WWSD2020 weighing in at 3.5kg or 7.7lb. The WWSD2020 is literally half the weight of the H&K AG3/G3 I used as a service rifle which blows my mind.

@@slashdotism If you're qualified to own an AR then you also qualify to own standard capacity magazine, yes. Under the new rules though, we unfortunately have to comply with EU regulations saying rifle mags over 10 rounds capacity are "prohibited" meaning you cannot buy them for hunting rifles etc. Gotta be an active IPSC shooter or a reserve officer to get large mags.

If it's not on the "White list, it is not for Norway (I am a Norwegian IPSC/DSSN AR rifle shooter). But Brownells could apply for it to be on the "White list". Hope they do. I'm not familiar with the coming regulations, but do not have high hopes.

My first time on target I was locking down a doorway for nearly 20 min. You start holding your rifle all kinda weird ass ways like that haha

It doesn't matter in semi auto

@@KI.765 can if the buffer and bolt are light enough. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-y2GeugjmeF0.html&ab_channel=97SVTVERT

@@iamAwesomo1994 which is why we don’t screw with lightening those items. In case you didn’t notice, this particular individual rifle had two tungsten weights on its buffer component.

@@509Gman yeah I get it I'm saying that weight is all good. I noticed and so did the WWSD team.

@@509Gman now your comments make more sense. You’re on the sales team.

L1A1 SLR, made at Lithgow Small Arms in New South Wales

Ian frequents my local range here in AZ, pima pistol club

In India even straight pulls aren't allowed

Same here in Canada since the OIC :(

@@3richardrussell Fuck Trudeau

It's crazy how rapidly Canada literally outlawed guns (with arisoft following suit.) Went from very similar laws to Colorado, to in just a few years, completely banned, and raiding houses. And people say the Cohen Act couldn't happen.

@@Greenfeld13 fix your stuff Colorado, it's absolutely ridiculous. I welcome our neighbours in Weld county, if you'll release them from captivity, lol.

The "Jesus" reference hasn't been funny for a long time. In fact....any mention now is kinda embarrassing. It's been played out for a long time now.

@@jonbush2370 A bit stake now, I kinda chuckled though.

@@jonbush2370 k

I find that ambidextrous ARs provide advantages to the correct handed as well. I find it easier to sweep an ambi selector lever back to the safe position with my firing hand index finger than with my thumb. On a “milspec” gun righties can only use the thumb.

The rifle matches they (inrange tv) do often includes mandatory off hand shooting. So left hand shooting is required to complete a stage. Might as well finish off the rest of the ambi because it makes a rifle much more flexible and marketable.

Especially if it's twice the weight it needs to be.

@@TheWirksworthGunroom yeah, 6lbs of crap on a 7lb rifle is *bullcrap.* 2-3lbs of stuff on a 5lb rifle is much more reasonable.

tucking up Tight comes from bullseye shooting.

I can't remember the last time I held my weapon up for seven hours... must have been in the early 80's

@@MirelleLaRouge They may have used it, but I can guarantee soldiers have been doing it far longer

is he what you call a professional?

I would say so, but you be the judge.

Seems pretty good to me.

I wonder if his jacket could hold it. ;-)

With "wichestergreenandwhitebox5.56hollowpoint"

My opinion is OOOH YES, here’s an AR I could definitely get on with. There’s no weird buffer tube noises, recoil is negligible and it’s light as a feather. I still don’t know my way around and AR though. My first action with it was to drop the mag instead of dropping the bolt 😆

@@thebotrchap But it doesn't make lots of blue smoke every time it's fired so you can't have one ;-)

@@thebotrchap With the liberal application of enough Ballistol, any firearm can produce a simulated blue smoke effect for one or two shots.

@@18robsmith How much FFFFG could I stuff in a 223 case 🤔

@@thebotrchap You'll just have to load a few rounds with your favourite smoke and bang generating mix and find out?

With its current components its actually slightly under priced, and I mean very slightly.

I can afford the rifle........cant afford the food

@@jackmehoff2363 if you find it that is...

I may make the money back of buying a new one before I get my 2017 upper components

@@jackmehoff2363 7.62x39 is still $.50 a round. Build one into an AR-47 like I am.

Honestly, maybe even one of the best rifles in the world right now.

It is a well thought out gun, but I think only time will tell whether or not it has the necessary durability and longevity. Thus far things look hopeful.

Definitely not

@@timmteller871 Doesn't that kind of depend on what you want to shoot, and where? If you're trying to knock off the local population of rabbits or grey squirrels, both invasive vermin here, it may be a bit over the top. If you're after feral goats and hogs that are wrecking the ecosystem, it's fine, I'm sure. If you're after Chinese water deer, another invasive species, it'll do the job. If your target is 1300 lbs of moose, 2 km away or wearing a lot of rifle plates, this is not the rifle for the job. If it's 1300 lbs of moose, 2 km away *and* wearing a lot of rifle plates, we need to know the backstory to your current problem, because that's quite unusual, and also may I suggest leaving it to the artillery?

@@Sableagle What if I'm after an invasive Chinese e Communist?

Thanks for the laugh, mate! Almost spit gin out my nose.

*oresund song intensifies*

Personality and enthusiasm. The InRange rundown was somewhat clinical.

British humor, obviously...

@@Cross31415 The InRange video was intended to be clinical - it was a full and thorough break down of the rifle and its components to ensure people knew what they were paying for if they decide to acquire one.

I built a KP15 that has a thicker 16" SS barrel and a lightweight, but not carbon fiber lightweight, handguard. It still feels great in the hand. I believe if one stays 16" (or 18" skinny) without a "heavy" barrel it will still feel exceptionally acceptable.

It’s a pencil barrel, so it’s even skinnier and lighter than the current M4 military profile.

WhenI I saw Bloke and Ian I was bouncing on the bed (this is my bedtime viewing). My wife looked at me with a slightly worried expression. 😏

Although maybe he identities as a chap.

ian's american so he's a guy not a bloke

@@dacoobob well said - so we have a bloke, a chap, and a guy. Sounds like the start of a good joke....

@@dacoobob or is he a Laddie?

@@thesuit4820 Nope, that spot was taken by me holding the camera

I'm legit bashing myself right now because I can't recall the gun itself, but a buddy of mine once let me go through a handfull of mags with his rifle and I goddamn LOVED the octogonal hand guard. I naturally gravitate towards the "C-clamp" grip (thumb over bore) and I found it fantastically ergonomic. I was baffled at first, thinking such a thick hand guard shouldn't have felt so natural with that grip, but then I simulated the grip on and empty hand and looked through it... it naturally makes a goddamn octagon. That realisation blew my tiny mind.

carbon reinforced plastic is also what's used for the G36

Ian's video on the evolution of the one piece lower: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RFxNvi7920c.html

@@tommihommi1 also why they melt upon heavy fire.

The Carbon-15 is trash and doesn’t share any thing in common with the WWSD or the KP-15 beyond being an AR15 style thing.

@@SinistralRifleman It's not trash...Is it perfect? No. I'm simply saying people have been trying polymer receivers and lightweight materials for a long time now. Don't take it as a slight against your lower receiver lol

Good luck with that!

They definitely won’t which is a shame

To be honest the Home Office could legalise semi autos overnight and no one would notice. The UK public are 99.9% convinced that guns are outright illegal so they wouldn't even notice the difference. Of course the Home Office would never do this, they're still convinced pot gives you reefer madness.

No chance, got more hope of the gun shops getting their compensation for the confiscated hand guns from yrs ago.

"Want" is a perfectly adequate justification.

@@cliffsimmons9692 I must agree.

@@killdizzle Truer words have never been spoken.

Money is just meaningless numbers on a computer, trade those meaningless numbers for a real rifle that has inherent value. You're not buying a rifle, you're investing.

@@hatefulhermit673 A lot of people don't know this.

Hopefully we can get Trudy out, the Cons at the very least will put AR's back to restricted.

"The trickiest part of this project was finding a way to recreate the notoriously difficult opening stroke of the bolt."

Look up "What would Mosin do" (or something similar) on the InRange channel!

I was wondering how they got the gun to Finland, since I didn't think any kind of assault rifles would be allowed here

@@cheekibreeki3607 "assault rifle"

@@cheekibreeki3607 In 2015 there were 317 private assault rifles in Finland. MGs (1421) and SMGs (2592) greatly outnumber them. This is unrelevant, as WWSD2020 is not an assault rifle...

Work on getting a straight pull.

Highly doubt it. Maybe the polymer lower, but the pencil barrel and carbon fiber tube are unlikely. Militaries value durability over weight savings. The conditions and round counts/firing schedules in militaries are just too high.

They're picking pretty beefy HK 416s and LMTs. Like mentioned above they need something that's going to handle extreme conditions (like the G36 barrel profile causing POI shifts or the M4s failing in the Battle of Wanat).

Military needs something a lot more robust

Can KE produce then by the 100,000 in short order? That's a no then

In case of Canada, the question would be "What would Charles Ross do?"

@@Drrolfski Straight pull bull pup?

You mean like Frankenrifle?

I’m sure Ian published a book on what Lee-Enfield would do.

People in the middle east call it the "sniper button". But even they don't use it how it's intended.

Just did multiple times the other day on a Mk.12 build. (PRI factory upper, FNH factory military collectors M16A4 lower w/ timney one piece FCG) Bolt was sluggish going into battery. Failed to go into battery when dropping bolt on a several 20/30 G3 magpul magazines only loaded with 5-6 rounds. It was a buddy’s rifle. I am going with he hasn’t cleaned it and or it needs a new buffer spring.

Hi! Quick qualifier, I’ve used the AR platform in several different configurations, contexts, and applications over the past 12 years. From recreation, competition, military, and more recently in LE and armory work. The dirtiest I’ve ever had a rifle get was while conducting medical evacs in a desert environment. Constant brown-outs from helicopters caused every nook and cranny of my rifle to get completely inundated with gritty sand particles. I test fired my rifle before cleaning later the next day and had no issues. More recently (and in a less hostile environment) during a training exercise my rifle became pretty filthy from swamp mud. Moved directly into a live fire exercise and didn’t have any failures. All this to say I’ve never had to use the thing, but in both instances my hands were so contaminated with gunk (blood/sand, swamp mud) that I’d rather have pushed on the forward assist to seat a bolt rather than try to seat it with my thumb on the dust cover divot and introduce more gunk into the action. Also consider if you are in a situation where you need to immediately seat a bolt rather than apply more careful remediation (think firefight) you’ve likely been firing your rifle a bit and that dust cover divot gets extremely hot since it has two gas exhaust ports in it. I for one like having the forward assist, but a rifle without one is not useless or even greatly disadvantaged in my opinion.

@@thomkatt get your buddy a cleaning kit for his birthday.

Ian or Karl (I can't remember who) did it in one of their relatively recent videos

@@killdizzle yeah but militaries don’t tuck in anymore with body armor, we square off. The front presented for receipt of incoming rounds with a bladed or “Weaver” stance is also the area that modern armor is the weakest.

Have to spoon first.

@@SinginShooter Surely foolishly removing the forward assist from the design makes that more difficult?

@@cryhavoc999 You mean the jam enhancer?

Aah, that's good! Sorry I'm out of date on that!

@@BlokeontheRange you are welcome Law was edited in September 2020. I am sure most german (sport) shooters dont know. I really hope this wil help with prices for (imported) guns, hence now more complete rifles can be imported

Jörg Sprave Inrange / Bloke crossover when?

14k? Oh wow that is fantastic. Congratulations to them they deserve it.

They’ve already shipped around 12,000 KP15 lowers I think

That's KP15 lowers, not WWSD2020 rifles, when you refer to that number.

Funny enough, I’ve got a carbine spring and buffer in my KP15 and I don’t notice any sproing. It’s also a Sprinco chrome silicate spring which may have something to do with it.

Thanks Bloke! I really appreciate it.

I could definitely see issues with holding zero. Not sure how stable the handguard is itself, then you have to mount rail to mook and peq to rail so there is definitely a chance for things to shift

@@ryanpeck3377 what are you talking about???

@@ViktoriousDead he means you have to mount a pic rail section to the rail which means there are more chance s of zero loss for an IR device