You titled the video “X-men’s biggest failure” but I think you kinda left out the reasons it might have failed naturally over time? Like how Krakoa would have burned out eventually anyway, the morally questionable things they did like with alienating Reed Richards and messing with his son Franklin, Beast becoming evil and replaced with a clone, mutants taking over the world in one timeline. You didn’t really mention a single foible or reason that caused its downfall. It was just kind of a summary of how it ended.
@@DandySlayer13it was evil since the beggening even under bendes but they pretended it was good for no reason. Not even talking about the reid thing but the sheer hubrys of magneto calling himself a god and I think Emma saying yeah were going to take over democratie. What about it. The thing is it would have been easy to call them out. Just like namor did when he told them your not a nation your an insignificant island in but f nowhere Or doom could have told them that they were just playing make believe as they alianated everyone around them. I mean it was easy you could say their school suck because they only transfer informations they don't teacher kid to question or actually calculate. They were already segregeting amongst themselves by class of power. It's dumb for human because race are dumb but power are actually real. The second the human threat dissapear how long until the morlocs are treated as sub humans and lesse or slave They are just united by the fear of humans
Deadpool: "I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you guys are the X-Men. You guys are always destined to lose no matter how many times it seems like you have the perfect life."
@@IceMannnnnnnhonestly most of them are dogshit they’re all loosing and no wining. Sure the art is good but story’s ass I’m only hear for robs voice 😂.
That’s what I was confused on, the big plot point was she has to be protected at all cost because otherwise she’ll reset everything and then he just says oh she’s killed and revived as a robot….
He's not reading every bit of every issue infringement if you know what that means anyway point is he reads the most important plot points to get you interested in a comic enough to go actually buy it
My problem is this is the opposite of xavier’s dream, it’s literally saying “alright we’re not humans, we’re the improvement but we’re good people though”
well, maybe xavier's dream is stupid, mutants need an place where they are not killed for just being what they are, why they need to stay hostages of countries that hate mutants?
I like this summary concept. I think you'd be BEST served by creating several of these along with your big playlist options. What I mean is you have one video that is the summary of a big story, then a playlist that is the full in-detail explanation, and both sets reference each other.
That leave you out in the cold with a random power tool as your best weapon that if anyone finds out you have you may get a mob at your door or someone worse if you have a useful power
If you are a long time comic book reader and especially a Marvel one, then you (should) know that Marvel demands that you return its characters to the same state that you found them. That's the rule. That is why we are going to see Peter parker eating milk and cookies from his unt May until our sun runs out of energy.
Not even close. Xavier did far worse than Cyclops did (and in less perilous circumstances) prior to the Gala. Cyclops worst actions in AVX happened after Tony Stark infected him with a primordial parasite that he could not host. Xavier did what he did while stone-cold sober. Moira simply convinced him to take a more lethal path.
@@SpikeTheWolf don’t remember what happened to juggernaut but he is on the team with cyclops in the up coming séries while Apocalypse did fight evryone on Krakoa before quitting
even as someone who read a large handful of these comics personally, as well as watching your videos Rob.. i thought this summary breakdown after the fact was incredibly just cause i lost the thru-line for some plot threads over the course of the story. Whether due to time passing or convoluted narrative so the breakdown was neat to get recontextualized
Thank you for continuing to do these videos so quickly after the tragic incident. I really appreciate all you do and appreciate these summary videos of major expanses. Thank you Rob!! Keep up the spectacular work!!
I enjoy the in depth story telling but I also enjoy this brief synopsis style as well. I think it meshes well with the rest of your content. Thanks for continuing to recount Marvel's tales for us
I've always been a comic collector but it was House/Powers of X that got me back into Marvel and especially Mutant comics. I dont bother with new DC comics anymore but I'm still following Mutant comics because of that first storyline, House/Powers of X. The first Hellfire Gala absolutely blew my mind. It was insane. I loved the transformation of Mars.
@@SpikeTheWolf I never said that. I do. But I just lost interest in following them. Nothing felt as good or important. I'll still pick up stuff from them but I haven't picked up anything new since 2019 or 20. I have the entirety of the Flash, GL, and Batman New 52 runs. I like a lot of older Superman. I just haven't cared about any of their new stuff since Sideways was cancelled
X of swords.....Jonathan Hickman....(growling)...JONATHAN HICKMAN!!! Arguably Rob's best work. When I need a good laugh, I watch the last ~20 minutes. Some of Rob's best work. "Man, you better recognize, son"! 😂😂😂
The general summary is a good fresh idea, I've watched plenty of the videos from the whole series and still the recap mentioned things I forgot or missed. Great work❤
Thank you for the simplified summary of events. I only read Hox/PoX and then stopped. It is nice to finally know how it all ended (in a general sense).
Great video format Rob, think it was a very succinct summary of what happened and people's views on the stories involved in the Krakoan age, keep it up dude!
I might get some flak for this, but I've always hated the nation of Krakoa from its inception. Xavier's dream was essentially MLK's was, for everyone to be judged by their character, not anything outside of their control. Krakoa was, in my eyes, giving up. Does it make sense? Yeah, sure, but it always rubbed me the wrong way since it presented characters like Apocalypse and Sinister in a (very minimally) positive light. Not only that, but these characters (most heroes in Marvel for that matter) are supposed to be lessons in morality, having the X-Men essentially give up on _the_ dream and segregate themselves from everyone else presents a _bad_ message.
The foundational point of Krakoa X-Men was that Moira's insanity twisted Xavier's dream. Moira's handful of lives made her think they were the Ultimate Truth of human/mutant relations, and she convinced Xavier and Magneto of this.
I like this! You should definitely do more of these. I just got into X-men last year and I was clear on the sequence of events. This video helped me with that.
Yeah. It was fun, but felt very forced and convoluted af. I really dislike how Moira was not only made a mutant, she’s more powerful than anyone in the universe. She just has to pull a Kenny and everything is reset. Sinister weaponizing such and then making clone suicide bombs of Moira as a safeguard. That’s just lame to me. Way too much hinging on Moiras existence. Just too convenient plot device and not for me. I think the power structure and hierarchy that the Mutants obtained, is the best aspect of the story. The drugs, trading, businesses etc that kept the mutants high on the hog.
I get that. Time resets can be annoying. I did like all of the trade and runnings that happened. That’s why I loved books like the Marauders, Sword, Xmen Red, New Mutants and even X-Corp. Considering current events, I like how Fenris was the villain of that last one.
@@jaebee81 Yeah. New mutants was pretty great even though it changed writers constantly. And I feel like, if Vita Ayala wrote the phone book, I’d read that lol. Now I want to read those infinity comics because apparently the last arc of the Xmen one was Selene using the externals to be the villain.
Perfect.. I love this type of video my man.. Saves me from having into watch 4-8 hours of video, or if I miss some of your episodic videos on story arcs.. Keep doing overall simplified synopses please. 8 thumbs up
Hey Rob, I wanted to give you a heartfelt Thank you! I have been following you since the beginning of the MCU. You gave me something to listen to drown out the nonsense growing up. Didn’t get a chance to tell Benny this, and want to repeat that with you, on that off chance you see this. If possible could you do a voice over of Bennys favorite comic in his likeness as a tribute? Only feels right. TIA❤
Rob I love your content and I would also love if you could give us a full on rundown of how to read X-men ( Krakoan Age). What are the essential collections to seek except Powers/Houses of X ?
Love these summaries, for me it's always hard to keep up with ongoing series or past events because I don't really take the time to dive deep into each one, but this makes it a lot more entertaining
ABSOLUTELY SO VERY INTERESTED in this type of recap. There are so many story lines all the way back to the inception of comic books that I am absolutely never going to read. A way to get caught up on the history from such a great story teller as yourself would be an amazing option. Lets me keep up in more detail with what I find more intricately interesting in modern day. Sweeping understanding vs constant updating if you will.
this format is awesome! if i had one suggestion, it would be: Include your favorite fight of the story, it's always nice to hear you getting pumped when stuff pops off.
Cool video Rob. Thank you. I think you should have touched on how they stopped Moira specifically and mention Mr. Sinister and his other clones and becoming Dominion. Those played heavily into the main narrative of the Krakoan Age. Take care and peace everyone.
I like this quick rundown of the entire run. There's just too much to read that I don't have time for, so this is perfect. It'd be great if you also had a follow up video that talks about where all the remaining mutants have ended up.
I had to find a breakdown of how to read this dang era. It’s so convoluted and long winded. Thankfully, some glorious comic nerd explained what was truly needed, what wasn’t, and the order.
Honestly had no interest in X Men for a long time but the X of Swords event and this were do good I couldn't help but be interested in it. It's been really good writing. Honestly hate to see it all get wrecked like it did. To see the XMen and the mutants rise to such levels and have such an amazing story only for it to be destroyed and rushed to be cleaned up for the sake of continuity with Disney and the MCU is just infuriating
Outside the crossovers, the only books you really need to get the "whole" story are those with "X-Men" in the title. Everything else was ancillary. And by crossovers, I mean those that are one story shared across multiple books, not the "BIG EVENT" titles like Empyre or Judgment Day.
Exact type video I was looking for. Stopped reading after x of swords storyline and wanted to find out what happened with the amazing world Hickman established. You summed it up perfectly
Long time subscriber first time commenter….I absolutely love the fact that you gave a “cliff notes” version of the x-men.I stopped collecting in the 90s but thanks to you and your channel helped me get up to date with my marvel,Keep up the get work 👍
Im desperate for a list of the krakoa arc of xmen, i got to the hellfire gala stuff and lost track and was never able to find a proper list of what comic to read at the right points 😩 was gutted cuz i was really enjoying the krakoa stuff, was a nice break from Xaviers school lol
There are people online who have made chronological reading lists for all of the Krakoa era. A simplified list? HoX/PoX X-Men (Jonathan Hickman) X of Swords Hellfire Gala (2021) Inferno X Lives/Deaths of Wolverine X-Men (Gerry Duggan) Immortal X-Men X-Men Red Judgment Day event Sins of Sinister crossover Hellfire Gala (2023) Fall/Rise of House of X X-Men Forever That's the general "core" of the storyline. Other titles like Hellions was a lot of fun and Excalibur dealt with Apocalypse a lot but it might not be considered "essential" since the most important stuff is in X of Swords. Again, though, if you want the "full" experience, then you can Google chronological reading orders. And, while your mileage may vary. I recommend skipping Fallen Angels, Children of the Atom, and X-Corp. None of them really add anything and are actually borderline terrible.
I would like to understand Stan Lee starting Marvel Studios told by you. You’re telling of the death of Silver Surfer was sublime. The thing is Rob, what everyone universally responds to is when you’re excited. You could explain butter being spread on toast and if you think it’s cool, everyone will see it. The flipside of that is, the sincere way you include us into your decision-making allows this community to feel like a community and that is special. You are our leader here, trust your gut and let wisdom flow henceforth.
I want more of these! I don't have time for the 3 hour FULL summaries, so I would prefer these general overviews that give me enough to chew on. I only started X-Men with Fall of X, so this gives me a lot of context. Even if I were to go back and read the entirety of Krakoa, it is good to see the full picture in a normal length video.
These are cool videos as always. I remember watching you a mad long time ago and your passion made my acute existential dread dissipate a great deal. Thanks for being you and doing you. 🙏🏾
Having read the Krakoan era in almost it's entirety I gotta say, this was not it. The finer details are what matters in this case so by leaving out the sins of sinister and more importantly Judgment Day you are rushing to the conclusion. The first age of the Krakoan era ended on a solid note for the mutants even though the XMen could not experience it completely. Lastly, you don't explain why this is the XMens biggest failure so your title is a little clickbaity.. I think the concept of summaries for larger stories is a good one. Just pick the ones you have time to invest in as a starter next time.
I do like the idea of having a general overview of the whole event so we can get the broadstrokes of it and then we can watch the playlist to get the details of it should we find the story interesting.
nice summary to answer your question, I'd love to see more of the finer details of this. i've heard the name of this event for years, but too intimidated due to scale. also it would help to have maybe a trades guide for this in the event i ever got the budget to buy some of these, or if my library had these.
I feel like Moira's power was just that. A power, not an ability. Ability implies that you are able to use it or it was able to happen (or not). Her power was that of "cause and affect" and not something she was "able" to do but may or may not always happen or be chosen.
What I never got is that in a world full off super heros and meta humans mutants are still seen a abominations. And that organizations that hunt them are still being funded.
So this video is for folks like me for sure... One thing I gotta know is why Beast was so evil and did that feel like a natural progression to anyone or was that out of left field? Also, were all ancient mutants just automatically externals (Genesis and crew)?
The beast thing is a bit of both... He's been getting more and more sinister in his ways for a while now... But at the same time... The switch in the Krakoan era was a bit drastic...
@@joshuaohuka7719Frankly, it feels like Beast went full assimilationist. I mean, Xavier asked him to head up a CIA and he was still hanging around Abigail Brand. Aka Joss Whedon’s answer to the question “what if America’s Middle Eastern policy walked around on two legs?” Side note, the inclusion of Threnody on Beast’s list of crimes was in part because of an episode of the Podcast Cerebro where the guest of the Threnody episode read Hank McCoy for filth. It was wonderful. Still wished she appeared.
She was always the "key to everything". I mean they had to backfill her in with wacky ass powers which reset the entire timeline of the universe every time she died, but...
It seems like so many sci-fi stories screw up the resurrection idea, like here and several episodes of Black Mirror. They need to "transfer" their consciousness to a new body. If it's a backup, then the original is dying like in The Prestige.
Settings like Marvel and other American mainstream tend to acknowledge the existence of a soul as an in setting element. This allows them to sidestep certain issues such tech would bring up, like multiple copy spawn.
@@tokukeitaroAnd it was literally the thing that caused the Morrigan to become extremely hostile in Xfactor; the souls were pulled from death in the resurrection process and it made her mad.
I read via the Marvel app. The reading guides are super helpful. with the order of the comics, but as each book drops on Mondays, they seemed to be out of order and it makes keeping up tough!
This era got me through the pandemic and coming years. I hate that it was rushed just so the X-Men could come to the MCU. I hope we can find something that matches the excitement of seeing what your favorite mutants were going to wear to the hellfire gala.
I definitely appreciate the summary!! I wasn't on board when it began, so I never read past the beginning... kinda glad. Doesn't seem like my kind of story.
They really lost their direction. Hickman had a plan and without him it was like the last couple seasons of Game of Thrones not knowing how the story is supposed to end.
The krakoan era was my first real attempt at keeping up with superhero comics within existing continuity and if I'm being real;awesome start but it's still such a DRAG to follow the story with so many different books coming out and intermingled events with other heroes that it threw me off by way of pure confusion. Fun story line and at least now I know the X-Men are my favourite super team but lord is it hard to recommend to other people just starting out😂😂
I never really liked the Krakoa story arc for the X-Men, they went from "we're people too even if we have powers" to "We're better than you because we have powers... also, free resurrections only for us!"
@@Sharkman25 I don't think that will kill him. If I remember, he's augmented and very difficult to kill. I think it's supposed to be a fate "worse than death."
