X-Men: The Last Stand - A Lesson in How Not to Make a Superhero Movie 

Kelsey Grammar was absolutely perfect as Beast. The only redeeming thing in the movie.

They fucked a lot of stuff up, but Beast was great and is a good as you can do live action beast.

Imagine if this film was just about the cure and the war between humans and mutants, along with a 2 hour time limit. Character development, extended mutant on mutant fight scenes, and darker storyline.

I actually liked that movie 🍿 🎥 but it had some serious faults. That version of the Phoenix was better than that underwhelming creation a few years ago. I cried at the beginning when Professor X disintegrated.

The MCU should just reboot Dark Phoenix as a miniseries as one of the main reasons WandaVision worked with Wanda's own mental health. Also, Eternals and Raya and the Last Dragon also should've been TV shows.

They did a lot of bad and stupid stuff in this movie, but the part of Xavier messing with Jean's mind as a child to "protect" her and a hundred other bad, bad things he did over the years and didn't tell anyone, is actualy correct, comics wise. It was kind rushed on the movie, yeah, but it its a major plot point on his relationship with Jean and the rest of the x-men.

X-Men: The Last Stand was only an hour and 40 minutes long. When the first two movies, with fewer characters and simpler plots, were over 2 hours. This movie has the same problem I have with Young Justice, it’ll just throw in as many characters from the comics as possible just to make sure they get on screen somehow, but then never do anything with them. Leaving me wondering why they even bothered. X-Men: The Last Stand also filmed multiple alternate scenes where literately the opposite happens. Rogue takes the cure, Rogue doesn’t take the cure. Bobby and Kitty are recuctant to come along with Logan and Storm to the final battle, Logan’s reluctant to take to take Bobby and Kitty along. How can you even have a script when you have things like that? It’s just a mess.

the fact that X MEN 3 showed Jean's parents are alive but in the DARK PHOENIX movie they're dead

man, i was just thinking today, "i wonder what has happened to Famke Janssen? she seems to have lost a lot of limelight after the X-Men trilogy." and now this video is posted. you should do a "WTF Happened to Famke Janssen?"

X2 did show that Jean was losing control and having powerful outbursts hinting at Phoenix. Most of the watchers knew what was going on with her. The movie was heavily affected by the actors/directors going on to different projects as you said in the video. The "war" was not a war it was Magneto rebelling against the cure being created and calling it a war, even the president in that movie said nothing about mutants other than Magneto and his attacks/threats .The Iceman/Rogue/ Kitty triangle 100%unnecessary. For hardcore comic fans this was a let down but for general audience seeing a superhero movie its was good hence the 400mil box office.

This is my favorite X-Men movie. I know everyone hates it, but I love it mainly because of the dark Phoenix actually was just incredible.

Bryan Singer left to make Superman Returns with James Marsden, who is in the Sonic live action movies and this as Cyclops, which failed alongside with X3. In Singer's script: -Professor X wasn't killed. That was until Singer left where Fox changed that. -Rogue wasn't meant to take the Mutant Cure. By having that in an opposite way, girls are offended of changing themselves in order to get guys. -Emma Frost was to help Magneto using telepathy to somehow unlock Jean's powers as the Phoenix out of Marvel's hierarchy of power. -Cyclops was the one to zap away the life of Jean from her body, turning her into the Phoenix Force. The Phoenix Force soared away in space to make a living, leaving the X-Men a message saying she would watch the team as time flows by. Singer left Fox because Fox was jealous of Singer on his decision to WB. Given to the fallouts of the Fox X-Men Universe, the sequels, X4-5, were canned. The main producer, Avi Arad, didn't help a lot because he is a toy maker all along not interested in comics. What a pain in the ass for me to watch X3.

Despite its shortcomings, I'll still take "Last Stand" any day of the week over "X-Men: Dark Phoenix.

You can see a phoenix in water at the end when Jean Grey dies in X2. With positive music for some reason.

The Umbrella Academy series came pretty close to doing a good Phoenix Saga story.

If I was the character designer or the director of the MCU X-Men movies and was directing the character designers and makeup artist I’d make Beast look exactly the same but I’d just have the VFX artist enhance the body to make him a bit bigger with the proportions of a gorilla with the longer arms but apart from that this is the perfect live action Beast

The bright spot in this film is Kelsey grammar.

Wasn’t Leech the little green boy from the Morlocks that showed up in a few episodes of the 90’s cartoon? 5th episode in season one, Lady Deathstrike episode in season 3 and a later episode where he was dying I believe.

Femke Jensen is stunning. She has classic beauty, and she seems like a nice person as well, which makes her even better, so don’t think what I’m about to say is a diss on her at all, because it’s not meant to be, but she seemed older than cyclops, and that juxtaposition always took me out of the movies. She’s the best Jean, but they didn’t fit.

Juggernaut should have been bigger, much bigger.

I wish Kitty Pryde had a much more prominent role in these movies and one that was essential to the plot. She's such a great character and she has a cool power set. I think they did her dirty. Hopefully the next set of movies addresses that oversight. Plus they had Elliot Page and I think it's a shame when you don't utilize your talent. He's a very good actor and I think more Kitty would have added a lot to these movies. Fortunately we get another chance so now we can hopefully do better this time

I didn't think this was as bad as how many thought it was. Disappointing because they sidelined the Dark Phoenix storyline to share with the Cure. Had it been the other way around and Jean was front and center, with Cyclops not dying right away at the start, this could've been epic! But the deaths in this movie from the main characters actually gave the film urgency and made the Phoenix a real threat but they were not focused on it. Still hoping they get to tell the Dark Phoenix saga in its full glory complete with the Shi-ar empire and Lilandra as well as an accurate Age of Apocalypse saga because those were my favorite X-Men comics and they butchered it with the recent iterations with Sophie Turner and Oscar Isaac. Like Apocalypse literally scared me as a kid, but that movie was a joke. And both sagas cannot be fit into just now movie, it has to be built on in several parts to have the grand finale payoff ala LOTR Return of the King.

Bro I’d take any of these old 2000s fox movies rather than anything the MCU has been doing over the last few years

I don’t understand how marvel fked up the dark phoenix story TWICE. AND SOPHIES JEAN WAS ALREADY THE PHOENIX IN APOCALYPSE

The first movie in 2000 opened the door for the modern era of superhero films. Then came X2 released a year after Spider-Man, I think is one of the best sequels. After that, it is a shame that it went downhill with continuity issues that are irreparable.

You should do a video over "Kyle XY" and "Point Pleasant"

Totally forgot Ellen Page was in this movie.

I rather like this movie. Kelsey Grammer was excellent as Beast. The fight sequences at Alcatraz and Magneto lifting the Golden Gate Bridge were awesome.

I dunno who thought Bobby would actually pick Kitty over Rogue

It's easier to enjoy these movies when you know nothing about the comics, which I don't, originally I thought it was live action of the cartoons.

So much waisted potential. Beast was a favorite of mine since before he had fur and once he joined the Avengers always one of the top of list. Shame this couldn't have been closer to and part of the MCU so we could have him a member there (Kelsey Grammer's version that is). And when I heard that Angel was going to be in it I so thrilled. I'm one of the few who bough the every issue of Champions (including their awesome appearance in Godzilla). And the only thing that made up for how aweful Marvel treated that team (what a rotten way to end the series; in a complete unrelated comic and as failures) was him betting to be back in the X-Men, but now as a veteran (and a constant thorn in Wolveeine's side). But like you showed they barely had him in the movie. Here's to hoping MCU's X-Men (and FF) get the respect they deserve.

This movie was great. They tried to do it over recently and effed it up even worse lmao

Despite Kelsey Grammer's fabulous performance as Hank "Beast" McCoy, "X-Men: The Last Stand" remains an uneven installment in the "X-Men" film franchise. It's a low down dirty crying shame that many of the characters in "X-Men: The Last Stand," such as Angel (Ben Foster), Callisto (Dania Ramirez), Multiple Man (Eric Dane), and especially Juggernaut (Vinnie Jones), were largely wasted. Had Singer served as director instead of Ratner, the film would've fully explored the backstories behind those aforementioned characters. All in all, Singer's abrupt departure (albeit temporary) from the "X-Men" film franchise in late 2004--he instead opted to direct the misbegotten "Superman Returns" in favor of "X-Men: The Last Stand" (both films were released two months apart during the summer of 2006)--was a gigantic blow.

Interestingly, I had a strong aversion to X-Men during my childhood, although I can't quite pinpoint why. However, as I've grown older, I began watching the series around two years ago, and to my surprise, I thoroughly enjoyed "The Last Stand."

Days of Future Past was cool but I want a full on Age of Apocalypse. Also, where's our Kingdom Come trilogy?

I liked the movie, it is far from great with many issues that could been handheld better, but even so, the movie was still enjoyable. The action was great, the CGI was amazing and it still looks nice even to this day, and putting aside the Jean Grey Phoenix subplot which agree was pointless and didn't go anywhere, the story had a lot potential to be great if they just stuck to the cure plot and not much else. I feel this movie had a lot of potential to be just as good as the first two Xmen movies, but they had to cram too much in less than two hours, which that rarely works.

12:52- It's Tom now.

The worst choice made, that even I someone who hasn't read the original story can recognize was the choice for Cyclops to die and Wolverine to kill Jean, what the actual heck was that? UH so bad but hey fun action!

Yeah. Phoenix needs at least a trilogy to introduce and finalize. Its far too important of a storyline to clear in one film, and i was shocked that while dark Phoenix is not a horrible film, its a horrible phoenix story. But x2 is far superior to the first. That opening scene is amazing, but whew, famke is just....perfection. or at least, she was, before all the plastic surgery

I remember enjoying it in theatres, but thinking how lame Rogue’s triangle nonsense was wasting screen time

I think the biggest reason the story failed was because the run time was kind of short for the story and amount of new characters. X2 was 30 minutes longer than X3 was. With extra time they could have built the new characters because none of them really felt important besides beast. Angel, multiple man, juggernaut, Callisto and kid omega added nothing and felt generic and unimportant.

This follows the rule of every third superhero movie being bad and disappointing. Just think about Superman 3, Batman Forever, Spiderman 3, Ironman 3...

Correction. Kitty Pryde was played by Ellen Page.

I never saw it as Charles dying. I took it as the small part of Jean transported him before the Phoenix did kill him.

Logan was too bleak for me. I didn't care for it at all, but I agree with you on first class. And the first 2 x-men movies were OK.

They tried Phoenix Saga and failed twice!!!! How is that possible

This is my favorite of all xmen movies.

This movie was pure hack by brett hack ratner

I just hope feige will make sinister the first big bad. He was teased a few times but nope. He could easily be the thanos for the xmen

Matthew Vaughn WAS hired to direct this!! And he chickened out three months before shooting so Brett Ratner was the best they could find on short notice (kind of like when a scrambling Marvel found the underwhelming Peyton Reed, under a rock somewhere, at the last moment to take on Ant-Man)

Ima fan of it tbh, just because it shows a lot of characters and beast puts in work that battle scenes was fire

Anybody else spot Longshot? He pops in for a sec at the end. Him , Shatterstar, Forge in my top 5 without a doubt. Other than whatever they did to Shatterstar in Deadpool, I'm glad they haven't been butchered on the big screen.

X-men last stand definitely the weakest of the franchise they should have waited till Bryan Singer was available

Charles aged so much between 90s and 2000😂

... "Elliott Page" ?

Oh dear god not this instalment

You didn't like X men 2????? Wtf indeed

I liked this one better than the newest version AND THATS saying something! lol

'As little loose ends as possible"? What the actual eff is a "little" loose end? I assume you mean "as few loose ends as possible". And I'll assume that assumption is correct.

I don’t get the hate for this movie - if you’re a fan of the comics I understand, but it balances a number of plot points fairly well.

That's not Kid Omega. Otherwise great video

Hm. I didnt hate the movie. It was not perfect but i i had my fun with it.

And that cartoon now become the best x men adaptation

We gave The Last Stand a hard time but better than The MCU's Phase 4 and Antman 3

isn't SHAWN ASHMORE WESLEY on the rookie

Actually for those few reasons you've listed in the very first minutes of the video... This might be my Favorite X-Men of the "old gen" actors/stuffs series. Yes it might not top the first... and 2nd was a lil bit too drama for me back than, and probably now. But I also like Gene and her being one of the focal points if not you know... the focal point of this one... well you get the point. I have lots of other stuffs today, IDK in what order to attempt to make the most sense. Yes btw First Class (the alternative timeline is actually better movie wise, but only timeless Logan is old gen representing. Back than I might have been too fed up with single character focused movies (of other genres with other lead actors as characters) A movie where A or S tier main character is surrounded by equals or potential equals to the point they are normal "on screen" is more or less the idea of this movie in a way? I have actually also watched all the X-Men... like the Logan alone franchise... if you want Logan main... that is your thing. I don`t like cyclops much so him ending when he did... well he ended when he did. The End of Last Stand is tear breaking, admit it. I have given, due to some reasons, more than healthy amount of thoughts on what was depicted there and it was exact to a millisecond with "everything". Now the fact that >after< this movie stuffs branch out in awkward, non consistent to it ways... You know timeliness, public demands, stuffs... But this movie was intended as an end and an end it was. Also if you say that a movie that had a fling in between Maize Williams and Anya Tylor Joy was anything less than one of the greatest... well you are than wrong :P. Make another one of that movie that is practically exactly the same... just because :P. Joke aside I do wanna see development of Any`s vorpal blade power that, suspiciously so, looks like Kassadin from League of Legends. Now Maize`s turn into wolf power might have been a bit underwhelming... but 2 When. I said 2 When... I get very confused about all those timeline stuffs and which movie was which, but the one where they send Future`s Logan`s mind back into his time relevant past (in before the super adaptive, mega OP sentinels became a thing) is >the best< I think is the one that had the everyone`s favorite... erm that wealthy family from GoT character... and no Not Cersies or her Brother... How dare I forget... Targarians? I must have not watched the newest GoTs intensely enough. I mean having 3 seconds worth of memory of what is being seeing on watch, does not exactly cut it, now does it.

“Sure it’s rubbery and overly smooth but that’s just how Marvel movies look” while referencing and comparing to modern MCU movies was an ice cold mic drop moment no lie.

at this point id rather watch this than any of the mcu phase 4 films (not counting no way home)

Unpopular opinion: I think Simon Kinberg did a better job as a director in "Dark Phoenix" than Brett Ratner in here

Because Brett Ratner is a hack. I've always said this. I didn't like Rush Hour, and I don't like any of his crappy movies.

XXX-men The Last Handy, staring Hue Jack-men

I'm wondering how Disney will manage to screw up the X-Men. They've managed to crew up Star Wars so that it is unrecognizable from the IP George Lucas created. All we can do is hope for the best. Maybe by some miracle, Disney won't screw things up. It all depends on how good or bad Deadpool 3 is because it will be under Disney.

The X-Men movies didn't age well they're all awful comparing to the iconic cartoon series.

Seems like Marvel should take notes from the Marvel Movies of Old so they can stop making movies as shite as them.

"My generation." ❤ the cartoon. Every episode "Scott for the sake of the world i must.......' pass out. Jeannnnnnnnñnn. How in the heck can you screw up The Dark Phoenix Saga? Hire comic writers no. Enter Studio suits. Trash 🗑 in every way. They should have done one story period. Jean is using the Phoenix force to possess all mutants on Earth. She wants to take over the world. So a team of Prof X, Magneto, Storm, Wolverine, Beast, Pyro and Mystique are on the run trying to stop the invasion. Boom entertaining and understanding. P.S. Both Bryan and Brett have faced sexual assault allegations. A 'brotherhood.'

Honestly, I'd rather rewatch the X-Men movies than most current Marvel movies. Except Dark Phoenix, it was the worst. Did you ever read the comics? So many continuity, confusing errors as well.

Well the movie wasn’t actually made by marvel, it was made by fox

I hate this forking movie! My friend almost walked out.

If Dark Phoenix was worth a shit, your friends would talk about it.

I never liked Famke Janssen as Jean grey.

Only error from this “Revisted”…Kitty Pride was played by ELLEN Page…if anything, (in my charity to be “politically correct”) it would’ve been more accurate to say “Ellen” Page, now known as “Elliot” Page

The point of the mutants at this time was the about being gay and a fight inside the gay community “ the cure is aa stand in for conversation therapy

I actually loved this movie. Why the hate?

Don’t care what nobody say ! I loved this movie .

It was better than the first two

So weird thar Elliot page looks mysteriously like a cute petite girl...😅

this movie is way better than the one's that followed it

Yeah, it was shyte

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To me, X3 is on par with Apocalypse. Neither great, but nor terrible. Entertaining, but not exactly memorable. 6/10 for both, but far from the worst in the series (Wolverine 1, and Dark Phoenix, The New Mutants)...

Ha ha. You said “Elliott Page”. Gimme a break.

This movie is like a douchebag dad stepping on your favorite toy and dangling his keys so you could shut up, laugh and forget about it. That’s basically X-men 3 killing off your favorite characters/ bastardize it but showing neat action sequences and cheap fan services to shutting you up and enjoying the spectacle if they reboot the X-men movie keep Jean with the green phoenix suite but ditch the dark Phoenix BS and just keep her good

Thats really shitty of you to choose this title for a video, movie is actually pretty cool, hell its better than bunch of the MCU movies imo

You mispronounced Ellen

It was still better than rise of the Phoenix

So many people thinking they’re clever by making comments about Elliot Page What is even the point You don’t have to believe a person can be transgender like it can be either very simple for someone to accept or can be very difficult but why not just do the nice thing and why not just say their name Heck Elliot can be a female name so if you don’t accept what they are you can still call them their legal name

Correction Ellen page not Elliot ok stop doing this political bs

There is no Elliot page 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I don't like how they made MAGNETO so powerful in the movies he wouldn't have the power to move buildings or bridges or stadiums

#Deadname Page played a pregnant girl in Juno. The most feminine thing a woman can do is giving birth. Somehow back than that person had no problem with the grnder that person was born. Kitty is very feminine too. What happened that this person had the breasts amputated and thinks that being a man is the true self? I heard to many heartbraking stories of people who regret transitioning to think Deadname Page's change of mind is something that I can just overlook. Especially when there are Kids that get puberty blockers against the will of their parents and a 13 year old who can't sign a contract or get a tatoo can have his penis amputated. But Deadname Page says "Puberty Blockers save lives". Statistics prove this person wrong and I bet this person knows but doesn't care.