Jennifer Roberts, how refreshing it is to hear a female voice in a flight-sim video in a virtual world mostly populated by male simmers. I hope that in the future more women take up this excellent hobby. Thank you for an excellent tutorial. I have just taken the plunge and bought X-Plane having flown mostly FSX and other MS sims since the 80s. Well done and well presented, this video is. I hope you do more videos to get XP newbies like myself a leg-up understanding the workings of this great looking simulator.
I appreciate the effort to improve ATC. However, I must admit to being extremely underwhelmed. The robotic voice and the painfully slow tempo are just embarrassing for 2018.
@@MrTrustdesa I understand whant you explain, and i agree , but when you saw what is done by a solo programmer with synthetic voices, we can expect a small company like Laminar to do the same ....and NO the functionality of ATC in XP is BAD ... the "intention" is very good, but in MY opinion , the result is bad !!, for me it's not just a matter of voice quality, but "algorithm organisation" and good reaction of ATC in response at Pilot actions, some randomize to enahnce realism, and real IFR and VFR procedures, (Waypoint SID STAR, VFR report Points etc etc .... ) is FAR MORE important, and this is TOO POOR in XP ATC ....it's possible some plugins to do that , so Why Laminar Don't do ??? ... because i think their Priority are not here sadly ...... Regarding FSX yes it's not very real also, but XP ATC is not better, and about 10 years latter, it MUST be .... that all ..... And last but not Least, XP maybe is a VideoGame for YOU, but don't forget , it's a matter of use and approach in practice which do the difference, and for some simmers like me, it's a TOOL to practice at home some procedure made in REAL LIFE .... so we expect a little level of "realism" ..... I know it's just a tool not the Real Thing , but definitively not just a game ......
@@MrTrustdesa I'm not a coder, if i talk about french addon coders it's not me .... just to mention good addons .... and what it feasible by a sole person .....after each simmer do what is good for his/her ... we are all differents with differents needs .... You're right, i also need Laminar concentrate on the core of their job, simulator and flight model , and to maintain it fully functionnal ..... I have never spoke about 124th ATC but Yes it's a good plugin ( Pilot 2 ATC also ) .... I Speak about EASYAtc wich FOR ME Is the Best ... but parhaps not for others ... But it's FREE and why not Try ??? YES I Agree with you it's the job of 3d pary addons developpers, and we have already some plugins to play with, so let's go ! BUT so, Why laminar neded to take time to develop a bit their ATC , make a video and publish it ???? if their priority is not here, don't spent your time here, lets the other developpers do it ...... No ? Yes I Agree again ATC and Traffic is the WORST point of XP !! I Started with XP10 then moved to FSX, then moved to XP10 again, and keep the 2, for ME they're both complementary ...... my 2cents .... I agree again, for these softs ( FSX XP et other sims ...) i think synthetic voice is the best way to explore ..... Yes there is some bad vocals soundbank and synthetic voices here, and here, but is not the reason there is not possible do do better job .... some guys already done ....search .... for Radio sound an crackles there is tricks can be done by 3rd party ATC developpers , i'm not afraid for that ..... I repeat these are piece of software .... they are what YOU decide they are, if somebody play with the sim and fly a jet with a mouse, or "fly" an helicopter with a joystick, and be happy with that .... what is the problem ??? it's a niche videogame and it's cool ! BUT if another one use it a TOOL with Hardware homecockpit, and the maximum of real procedures and hard interfaces, what is the problem again ?? it's a personnal ( Not professional ) Simulator, and training tool , not a game ..... There is number as DIFFERENT simmer, there is simmer in the world ..... so ..... ( excuse my sentence, i'm not English Native ). For XP Fans i agree totally, and not recognize me in both the 2 items ;-)
Rather than bitch about a good faith attempt to make a product better, I would like to single out Jennifer Roberts who always tries to give us helpful tips. As a 30 plus year veteran of the National Aerospace System, I can tell you there is still a lot to do but, without paying for limited coverage areas with sometimes well meaning controllers, this ain't bad. Jennifer, sometime back I called Randy on the non 800 number to ask for some help. Today you solved my problem in the first 2 minutes of the video. Due to a menu issue I inadvertently selected multi player and had that Chat dialog box. When I described the condition to Randy he said I had broke the ATC system and that was my problem. I thought he would know the problem but he responded, I had done this and he couldn't help. Thanks so much for your video today and keep up the good work and pleasant way you deal with all of us Sim breakers, we really don't do these things on purpose. Robert Phelps Captain CE-500, 525(s), 650, 750, IAI 1125, CL 60 and about 400 other great toys...
Laminar, please don't take these comments as us talking trash about ATC. Have one of your software developers take notes of what people are saying in the comments and create a to-do list of things that the people want improved. A company earns my complete respect when they listen to the consumer.
Is not the priorities that are all wrong, is the CEO or whoever runs Laminar that needs to be fired. We have been waiting for this Update for solong and literally it did not change any fucking thing in my fly experience with XPlane.. Really frustrating
Laminar, with respect, this is 2018. MS Flight simulator had better sounding atc voices years & years ago. I think you spend far too much time & resources on VR. Make your weather environment & atc better & you’ll have the best flight sim on the market.
X-Plane Aviation fair enough. Why don’t you do a poll asking what you should concentrate on fixing the most (& what needs to be improved the most). Many of us believe that spending so much resource on VR is basically running before you can walk. I love xplane, but I feel it’s only because of the flight model & the pbr materials. It doesn’t have much more going than that...
ATC in any sim has been very limited. Very difficult to synthesize a voice that would sound natural. I don't mind a good system, but even with a great system, I wouldn't be likely to use it much. And the reality is that those people who do use ATC are a very small subset in my observation, which is something LR perhaps sees and you don't. Despite the addons and services available, not all that use them do it 100% of the time. From my point of view, LR is right not to focus too much on it from a business standpoint. ATC will not make them more money. VR will. And VR affects your experience in the sim, ATC does only so much. Many people who would buy XP for the VR wouldn't make a purchasing decision for the ATC. Now do you get it?
FSX in the ATC voice department was ahead of its time. I hope x-plane will catch up someday. I refuse to use the ATC in X-plane until the voices are realistic. Now if only Jennifer's voice was part of ATC....
@@xaviation5144 aReyOugOoD.uS, hey dude youre not helping, we're talking about the default ATC and how it needs improvements, who tf cares about VATsim??
1. There is no tower control when I just want to fly touch-and-go. 2. Voice is synthesize which presents no life 3. ATC vector as of 11.2x still horrible, I will never get to my destination safely.
Gave the new ATC a spin yesterday. Much improved but was dumbfounded when I was told to REPORT THE FIELD IN SIGHT while flying in IMC. They had me flying at 2000ft and the field was 700 overcast.
I’ve got to be honest, I don’t see any differences. You still can’t fly vfr, request altitude change, or many of the basics. The only difference in the voices is it sounds like the computer talking back was in a busy bar. Fsx had a great system more than 10 years ago. There has to be someone out there with experience in that field that can help. X-plane is years above when it comes to realism, but decades behind in atc.
in one of the past dev streams we got something more promised about how realistic the voice would be. it's definetly an improvement, but not what we got promised, so I'm a bit disappointed.
Your videos are excellent. I have recently installed X-Plane because of all the good things I’ve heard and read about it. I’ve flown fsx for over 25 years. In comparison X-Plane could improve on it’s flight school. As I said your videos are excellent but having a much better flight school in the X-Plane program is much better than watching a video. If not for my prior sim flight training in fsx, X-Plane would be rather frustrating to fly. As it is, I’m finding X-Plane a bit overwhelming. The atc voice in fsx is far superior in realism when compared to X-Plane. I hope in future updates it improves. Either way keep up with these great videos.
Well...not to push the effort down in improving the ATC but my excitement got deflated after watching this. I switched to Xplane this year after 15 years of FSX and P3D. No way I am going back but the ATC fix is basically a Thanks but No thanks, you must know this. Yet effort is put in on VR and very few use that. The ATC overhaul is a community request that should not exist. ATC should have the same standard as the flightmodel. I will not use it....
X-Plane 11 needs to add VFR ATC. As a student pilot its disappointing to see that this feature isn't in the program. Once I learn IFR perhaps I'll appreciate this more but for now I'm left wanting. It would also be great to use the ATC without having to file a flight plan.
Yeah, it's unbelievable that pre-recorded, highly limited systems from 10 years ago sound better than realtime, highly flexible systems :o Wait, no it's not. This is just the beginning of some awesome stuff to come.
FSX is a flight simulator X Plane is a blade element theory simulation. Therefore it isn’t a game. It may look terrible, but if you compare both vanilla games, x plane would obviously take the lead with visual effects.
@@tonygpf Forget Steam it's only marketing bullshit, IF a "Office Application" seller , sells XPLane , do you think Xplane became an Office App ???? really ??? I REPEAT Xplane IS a game ONLY for Guys who PLAY with ...... and It's a SIMULATOR for Others .....
Other than the addition of a couple of fields to select the aircraft brand and model, this video does not show anything new about ATC.For instance, have they gotten rid of the annoying requests to change heading, then to resume own navigation, all through any flight?Does ATC still steer you into mountains?Does it still tell you to maintain flight level 340 when you are right above the destination airport?That's the kind of info I was looking for, about this upcoming release; not how to use ATC, which everybody already knows.
Don't know what people are talking about with the voices. They are FINE. Those commenting about how bad they are, i would like to see you do better. Good job on this Laminar. Not the best but you can always improve it :)
Ms/MRS Roberts have a look at the old version of x-plane 9.70 go on the ATC set up and it will inspire you on how to do it. Believe me I have been using Xplane from v9 to now and it is almost perfect except for you ATC going nowhere.
When i saw this news i hope the improved ATC is so good to decide me to purchase XP V11, But ...... !! yes i'm very disapointed !! I admit Laminar and the few persons at R&D do a very nice job to improve ATC and I Thanks them, but this is not as good as we ( some simmers ) expect ..... So i still look on future XP11 improvements, but still flying with XP 10 .....and Yes there is some very good ATC Addons ( Easy ATC to not name it .... ) and why not Online FLying ...... Sorry for my "not so good English" i'am French .....Best regards to the XP community and Laminar ..... And .... Fly Safe ...
Appreciate the efforts towards adding ATC in xplane. One day it will get there hopefully. The speech generation is clearly still way behind the decade old FSX. Even flight unlimited of almost 2 decades ago had much better sounding speech. They even had humor in it ("We appreciate you mowing the grass for us ... but please keep the aircraft on the taxiways").
Reading through the comments it is apparent that no matter how hard you try people will always complain. Thank You Laminar for striving to improve your product. For those of you complaining, go make your own flight simulator. I bet people will complain about your's also even though you think you have all the answers.
Hello Ross, I complain, but you're right i'm currently build my own sim it's a mix with XP10 & FSX, the ATC Chatter is from real audio files i recorded, and Hardware with Mp3 & Arduino, ATC is "EasyATC" with XPlane & ... Standard ATC with FSX but Localized voices .... I SPEAK to my sim with GameCommander, the Sticks are homebuilt etc etc ..... I'm not alone in the world , just to say some guys complains but know their stuff, ...... Good Flights.....
Sorry but what`s new? It`s working like this from beginning. Just now You select a aircraft nothing else i don`t see new. Working exacly same like now in 11.26.
@@tantegreta Yes. But i dont think you can swap out the TTS engine in xplane on your own. I tried and i could not get it to work. Maybe someone with modding knowledge could do it though.
It's good to see ATC is being reworked somewhat. But what about VFR? It's been ignored from the start, even though a lot of users are flying VFR (and often, local). Also, the phraseology is not compliant to the ICAO standard, is that an US dialect? Will it be possible to propose other runways/approaches, or to ask to taxi to the fuel station?
I'll review this again, but i used xplane 11 for the first time in atc mode and would have crashed into a hillside if I'd followed altitude instructions. It also took me for miles on a convoluted course.
Does this version fix the issue of ATC routing VFR general aviation along high altitude IFR routes? I had to stop using the built-in ATC due to some ridiculous routing both while in-route as well as when entering the traffic pattern (routes me around the airport as though I'm in a airliner when I'm flying a single prop).
And don't forget vectoring you into nearby mountains, or not taking into account local elevations for suggested altitudes (more flying into mountains)!
Yes , ATC seems not to be the priority for LR and VFR is totally forget ...... I'm a VFR Helicopter student pilot in Real and want to practice that in XP ...... so we have just Bad ATC wich not take VFR into account ..... the only solution i found is to use FREEWARE ADDON EASYATC and some chatter files ...... coupled with vocals command with Gamecomander2 ..... try it and tell us !!
Did Laminar Research developers know that there was Flight Simulator 2004? Please don't humiliate yourself... Go to FS2004 owners and buy ATC system from them. It will be a few years faster, many hudred thousands cheaper, and many, many less buyers lost... C'mon LS!
@Ram Jet I Just want to say i'm agree with you ! : XP needs a separate audio for ATC .... I don't know if 11 can do this but i don't know it's possible with the 10 version ....FSX can do this since years ..... other sims also, maybe ? ..... so why XP not ?? ( Sorry for my crappy english, i'm French ...)
This is all good for improvement what about declaring an emergency while flying or changing altitude request, asking for a vor or a precise radar landing and much more that you would find into x-plane 9.70 I know I got both. Now xp11 is far better but for ATC xp9.70 beat the one now
when are we going to get a good ATC ? could i transfer the atc from x plane 9.70 to x plane 11.32😎?than please have look at this x plane 9.70 and copy it to v11 tks.
I keep waiting for ATC to get better, but it doesn't appear to be a priority with Laminar. This should be at the top of the list of things to be worked on.
X-Plane is getting more and more better with every update. But there are things that even FSX did alright that X-Plane can't do. The new ATC system is great and all, but it is still very lacking and crude. A good AI traffic system is also needed for good ATC. FSX was just fine in that area (despite all the fictional airlines) X-Plane also needs jetways that work. FSX is light years ahead in this feature. AutoGate is not really cutting it for me. But despite all of that, I think X-Plane is still the best sim out there.
Hi dear, finally pilots voice updated to a man voice 👍👍👍 but it looks Tower and Pilot both have the same voice ??😕 😕 and Auto pilot little monitor doesn't show the inputs at right spots 😕 we hope these two items will be correcred thanks to Laminar well done 👍
I fill in the flight plan but I don't get any option to file flight plan, its frustrating I'm doing everything stated on video, any ideas what could be wrong?
What's that background sound/voices? Is there a shopping-center in the tower? I was excited to see this video but same as others, I'm extremely dissappointed. Looks like I will keep on flying without ATC.
@@tantegreta Yes i agree with you and MrMoritz' , I think we must use good addons for ATC and Weather on XP 10/11 ....'cause i'm not sure Laminar release exactly what we need ..... but Laminar is better to devellop good compatibility addons to facilitate our work .....
@@obrez6975 Yes X ATC Chatter is Excellent, But don't forget is just a half of what we need ( in my opinion) in XP ATC .... is "just" a chatter ( very good ) it's a background real records of real life ATC, on the frequency selected on your radio, very important for immersion, but it'a not a "Controller" which is separate you from traffic and so on ..... So in MY opinion, the top for us is to couple XP 11 ( or 10 ) with these 2 addons : XAtcChatter and EasyAtc ...... (maybe the second may be replaced by another one, it's just the one i prefer .....) ..... regards ,
Very good Tutorial, you explain nicely and understandable will be grateful to learn from you in another tutorial, Thank You. I Could not find any Tutorial someone Knows such as how to turn on COCKPIT Lights, or on Keyboards shortcuts. Appreciated your Help.
I'm given about 5 seconds to report field in sight otherwise I am vectored around again. Would like VFR ATC as well. MSFS 2000 had a better ATC system.
I was going to comment on whats wrong with the old and "new" ATC but laminar research all you have to do right now is really listen to the comments down below please do for your own benefits
never thought i would critic laminar, but this atc-solution is eehmm... horrible. what is going on? it this outcome real or pretended? it there something Austin wants to tell us with that. i mean, my sister pretends being stupid with the dishwashing so mom would take over and do the work finally. is that what we are dealing with here? how can i apply to work with Austin's team on this and get this done right?
How do i tell the ATC the flight plan details which i have already introduced on the FMC? Do i have to write my waypoints, etc manually at the ATC windows? Shouldnt they be linked automatically? I mean the ATC with the FMC.
i believe you can achieve better results even with text-to-speech. seems like LR used some of the shelf algorythm for it. but they should adapt it to aviation-typical rythm and "melody"...it can't be this hard. i am a programmer myself and i tell you it is possible without rocket-science. at least improve with each release please. or make it open source :D
voices are horrible. Stunted! Can't we do better than this? I am sure we can with all the technology we have today - and it has been done better, so why can't this simulator have a smooth flow without having to speed up the voices? Come on X-Plane developers … let's try harder.
@@danielmartinsson899 Every new airliner today uses Primary Flying Displays, not steam gauges. Now, IFR is about being a systems operator, a button pusher or knob twister. Most of the time an autopilot flies an aircraft and while X-Plane fail to have a realistic PFD, its remains next to useless. Even the aftermarket aircraft like the Carenado King Air 200 still does not provide even G1000 , what PFD is provided does not provide most of key functions or are able to do STARS or SIDS. X-plane is only useful to non real world IFR pilots and reduces it to being a "game" for the ignorant.
@@RogerTownsend555 It feels like you are jumping a bit over the board now. Sure, modern airliners don't use steam gauges anymore, but some GA do while some GA uses digital displays. Where is the problem? As far as I know the default G1000 hasn't been promoted as being 100% as the real one (also hard to du due to the many versions of it). Others like in the TBM is much better.
I’m sorry, and appreciate the attempt at improvement, but this ATC is still awful. As fabulous as XPlane is , I can’t stand the ATC. I use 124th ATC and it’s not perfect but it’s way better.
I tested the ATC on this game and it is total trash when it comes to landing. They had me going around the airport for half an hour until my fuel ran out.
A really cool idea would be to add voice induced ATC where you (the pilot) can use your mic to talk back to X-Plane 11 default ATC. I know there is plugins like this, however they're payware :(
Very new to all of this , I was trying to use atc . I was getting frustrated as atc would not let me file a flight plan and my atc “ box” looked nothing like this. I’m assuming I just need to wait for 11.30?
24,000 feet. 240 is 24,000 feet, but atc in real life would say the firsr numbers and then thousand when flying above 10,000 feet. I'm a private pilot knowing this
One thing I hate about ATC is that when you are approaching your destination you need to slow down a ton when descending to not be 10000 ft over the airport.
Ryan Boi it’s because of regulations. Under 10,000 you may call be crazy, but planes have speed limits. Under 10,000 it is anything under 250 Knots. Above is whatever set.
They put a ton of work in 11.40 adding the little bit of thrust that a turboprop jet engine produces but cannot fix ATC?? Fix AI callsigns…"Seven hundred thirty seven to eight hundred N66?" really? No simple VFR? Cannot even call the ground or tower if you want to take your bug smasher up for short hop or T&G? Seriously? MSFS had both of these features well over a decade ago. It is called creating and immersive sim experience. Laminar should try it sometime. I could care less that my turboprops have that itty bitty more thrust. It means nothing.
x plane-11 getting better and better hope addons developers keep up the improvements a question when the 11.30 is stable complete to update the XPL needs before removing the installed addons or can update along with my addons? I am with version 11.26r in this update I do not remove any addon and all work!
Hello I have the x Plane 11.30 Beta (demo), And every time i load a flight, it says: _________________________________________________________________________ There was a problem processing a GLSL pixel shader you may need to rerun the installer or update your graphics drivers. resources/shaders/dome.glsl resources/shaders/dome.glsl _________________________________________________________________________ I never had this problem before i updated my x plane 11 from 25 to 30
THERE IS SOLO IRF???? is absurd. 1 HOUR to understain that is no possible to talk ATC for a VFR . down guys is possible develop this? c mon and A FLIGHT PLAN for a cessna fly to ATC? no way
It sounded like there were huge ambitions for the ATC system. Honestly extremely disappointing. X-Plane is way ahead in most areas, but the ATC is hardly better than FS9 from **15** years ago.
I would like to readback the instructions with my voice not by clicking messages, that would make it way more realistic. And the voices, they're robotic but acceptable.
I’m currently trying to make the decision if I should buy x-plane 11 ? It’s definitely had an overhaul from previous editions but is it good enough for 2018 ? The ATC voiceovers still feel like old school sound files from the old days of FSX sigh, I just seem to get the impression that lurking beneath the surface of modern x-plane 11 are old file architectures. Thank you for this helpful video, much appreciated !.
For IFR training, for your own sim or flight training device the old X-plane 9 was very good. All that was needed was the addition of a Glass cockpit, PFD, MFD, and some decent aircraft instead of having to purchase "after market" aircraft that X-Plane want nothing to do with. If they had put in G1000 or now considered putting in the G1000 nix it would be a huge improvement. After using X-plane 11, and spending thousands upgrading my computer, I'm not seeing any real improvements especially when you also look at the lack of decent ATC audio and the still inability to do STARS and SIDS.
X Plane is way ahead of its time, it used blade element theory to produce a very accurate flight model. The new fire/contrail/smoke is now produced by the new particle system causing the object to be flung off from the exhaust like a real plane. Also with x Plane you need a very expensive set up due to its mass scale of the graphics. Also, x Plane is more stable with the CPU,GPU and RAM than FSX.
The file flight plan never worked for me. I made my own routes in skyverctor web with the updated navdata and most often this tool wrote me the route does not exist or something like that. Really annoying.
i dont want to be that guy, but slapping a new voice isnt exactly ground breaking if there is no ground in the first place. i love xp11 but this leaves a bitter taste.
