Xal'atath Has Been Found, And The Implications Are Massive 

This is only for US Hello Fresh?

She has had access to the timeways.

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I sincerely hope metzen corrects things. So far I'm digging how blizzard is promoting this new expansion. He sod crossover is so cool

I didnt know they said that, how long ago was that?

Not just organic, this seems brilliantly thought out and respectful to established lore. Shadowlands drunkenly walked all over established Warcraft lore, and mischaracterized legacy characters with a plot that left lasting damage to the franchise.

They didn't pay Merzen off his retirement for nothing. He's actively unmessing the lore.

I'm not convinced it's going to be good tbh, if we get retails usual half telling of stories it will hurt SOD more than help it.

Tbh you probably wouldn't be very successful trying to obtain god level powers if you weren't a bit patient

@@fnb5599Arthas got an F in Villainous Patience 101

just remember that SoD is technically a throw away system, in the long-run it's not a new version of wow, it's a seasonal server that will come to an end, no doubt that things layed out in SoD will be in worldsoul saga at some point.​@@joncarter3761

Well those powers fight over the universe since the beginning of time pretty much and are immortal beings

The horde NPC who tells players where the shard is, is a Tauren in mail gear with devotion aura as a buff.

So far, none of this is a retcon. Just a lore expansion.

All reforged did was fuck over the custom game playerbase.

Just made a comment about this before seeing yours. I really dislike them adding anything to SOD that affects the retail story or experience at all.

and bad gameplay.

Why? It is just shitty retcons and is only in classic servers so more than half the player base will mever see it

For a while at least. I don't think it's that Horde Vs Alliance doesn't work anymore, it's just that if it comes in the middle of a wider arc it feels like a filler conflict. So if they were gonna do it again they'd have to really work at making it the core of the experience

I mean, lore-wise it simply doesn’t make sense at this point. I would find it very odd if a group consisting of Thrall, Baine, Calia, Lor’themar, Thalyssra etc etc would pursue war with the Alliance ever again. The last two times ended with the Alliance at Orgrimmar’s gates. If anything, I could have seen the Alliance turning into the aggressors - a zealous Tyralyon, a vengeful Tyrande, a hateful Genn. But with Anduin returning, Metzen talking about “uniting the elven tribes” in Midnight and Genn getting his home back, that storyline doesn’t really work either. So short answer: yeah, no, it’ll be Azeroth united until the World Soul saga ends, and possibly beyond that. Most of the potential threads leading to war have been resolved at this point.

@@Kevster921 I can see a Light's Dogma arc with Alliance as the aggressors once we deal with the Void. Feels like the next obvious 'cosmic big bad' and that one could have a faction conflict in it. And Anduin's back but I dunno if he sees himself as fit for the crown yet so Turalyon might be staying where he is

@@GorehowlBeardhead There are enough forces in the Alliance that are not aligned with The Light (Night Elves, Gnomes, Worgen), as such I don't see the Alliance as a faction being the aggressor in such a conflict. WoW was driven be faction conflict and ran with it for a long time, using previous lore as a basis for this. Nowadays you don't really want to split up your playerbase just because they want to play as a certain race. This is why you see cross-faction guilds, raids, etc being implemented. With the Warbands feature, I assume your characters will basically be their own sort of mini-faction composed of members of both the Alliance and the Horde (much like, for example, the Dragonscale Expedition). When it comes to faction leaders that still might hate each other right now, that would probably just be Jaina hating Lor'themar for the shit the Sunreavers pulled during MoP. Sure the Night Elves were snobs when it came to the Nightborne, but I don't think there's actual hate there.

​@GorehowlBeardhead ummm what? The void elves are alliance 😂

she was trapped in the black blade until battle for azeroth yes, but she had also been trapped for thousands of years so i do wonder how she has manifested before that

I wouldn't say they'll make them bad, but rather give context to what purpose the Titans fulfil in the universe. Past lore just states that they cleansed the world of the corruption of the Old Gods, stabilised Azeroth's wound (that they did cause, but w/e), shaped the forests, seas and mountains and produced beings to keep watch over the world. We never really asked why they do these things, but with knowledge outside the in-game lore they are aligned with the force of Order and opposed to Chaos, and that Azeroth is a World Soul, we can imagine that they did what they did in order to nurture Azeroth and turn the World Soul towards Order. Not out of maleficence, but simply because that's the role they have taken in the universe to fulfil of an as-yet-unknown greater purpose (or maybe simply they just want more of themselves in the universe). Though on the topic of swapping perspectives (or preconceived notions) on good/evil, my headcanon is that Light and Void are two sides of a dichotomy of truth and lies, where Light shows and speaks of prophecies that are The Convenient Lie (things will be good and you will be happy if you do these things that align with us) whereas the Void shows visions that are The Inconvenient Truth (things will be bad and you will suffer if you do things that don't align with us, and you will be driven to madness if you resist). I feel it would be interesting to explore something that drives the Void narratives away from "void is bad and evil" to "you've only had bad experiences with the void because you keep resisting and working against us". Alleria could be the key to exploring that side of the story, if the writers choose to go there.

​@@Silent002 ZZZzzzzzZzzZzzz

wow so "grey area" so original!!!

@@gzuskreist1021 I mean, the opposite is far more dull - "wow these guys don't have any motivation or personal goals except mindlessly doing the 'good' thing from our perspective". That's just poor storywriting. At least grey area introduces conflict, tension and resolution and can tie in to the motivation of other characters.

@@Silent002 mindlessly doing the good thing........

Correct. And then her conversations when you reunite with her in BfA.

@@Audiotrociousi love when she whispers to you

Isn't it confirmed that the Old Gods are basically just parasites flung into the universe by the Void to weaken/corrupt potential World Souls though? Then again, trusting anything the Titans say seems foolish at this point as well.

Imagine that you have no interest into go and replay an old version of the game you are currently playing. Now imagine they introduce lore changing events and content in said old version of the game. So now if you wanna be up to date you have to go back and play that old version you don't realy care about... Now tell me if that is not annoying to you. Now imagine you just want to play the old version of the game and have no interest in the new current version and you just wanna replay the old version you fell in love with. Which is still there... but your friends moved unto this "new" old version that has lots of changes and lore that ties it to the new version you dont care about... I think there will be people pissed on both camps, retail and classic andies. Also in a more subjective way: Introducing an new villain into the new lore... forcing it where he never was, and making it so now many thing happened under his influence... just "you didn't know"... If that sounds similar, that's because they already did that with the Jailer in Shadowlands... and that expansion nearly killed the game.. now they repeating that... Is like you shot the horse and he is dying but you then shot him again for good messure...

the whole point of SoD is it isnt vanilla, its tentatively classic+ that means PLUS new stuff

@@josejuanandrade4439then just play era servers…